In post 567, Kazyan wrote:I sure do love to see people sheeping Pooky's cries of "partner!" when I townread someone and "OMGUS!" when I don't. FFS this game is so scum-led it hurts. Do you guys have any reads that aren't related to me?
a) ive been reading you/the worst as partnered since before wake replaced
b) i have lots of reads i just dont share them for free
c) again with the indirect "all the people scumreading me are mafia but im not willing to commit to it bit by actually calling specific people mafia"-bit.
to expand on c) it feels like literally every read that kaz is pushing in this game is based on a bit.
house was town because trying to solve.
loftwing is town because aloof and daydreaming.
house is mafia because of the gimmick thing.
pooky is serial killer because he "softed it".
people pushing them are mafia because theyre pushing him and mafia is strongarming the game.
all of these are concepts that seem plausible, but do you actually really believe that kaz believes them if you actually sit and think about how reads are genuinely formed?
idk im probably not conveying it well but it just seems really obvious to me >_>
dwlee wrote:I think it'd be cool if the solve was kaz-kidamn-the worst but I don't really believe in that
i historically have a bad track record of identifying partners so im not actually particularly confident about my feelings about kaz-the worst logically even though my gut is like RARARA KILL THEM BOTH!!!
Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 3:30 am
by Gorkington
gorkington wrote:people pushing them are mafia because theyre pushing
them
and mafia is strongarming the game.
im being really bad for this in this game bah!~!! sorry.
Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 3:34 am
by Dwlee99
I think every time I've pushed someone on the "how do you actually believe that" tell they've just been wrong town
Maybe I'm misremembering though, it just doesn't seem super reliable. Now it isn't necessarily bad to kill those slots because that can indirectly advance win con by removing people that make it harder to scum hunt, but I just don't believe in it as a tell. See me pushing Titus in MBOS. She claimed me/norwee/t3 were the scumteam day one, said we were locktowning each other (we weren't), and said that she was completely convinced that was the team. I called BS because it was a ridiculous read (I townread norwee and t3 at the time, although the t3 townread was kind of flimsy and he ended up being evil), but Titus was town. Anyway long story short I don't think it's a great tell
Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 3:36 am
by Gorkington
VOTE: kaz
if kidamn prod dodges or makes bad posts before the replacement timer is hit i will functionally help vote there again but i feel like im not playing the game properly if im not voting who i think is mafia.
p-edit: its not really that i think theyre wrong.
its that i dont believe that they believe what they believe because the reasoning feels like a caricature of town reasoning and not actual town reasoning.
Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 3:36 am
by Gorkington
In post 578, Gorkington wrote:its that i dont believe that they believe what theyre saying they believe
Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 3:39 am
by Dwlee99
Yea well that was the push on Titus I made and turns out she actually did believe what she was saying
Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 3:40 am
by Dwlee99
That's my entire point. "i don't believe that you believe what you believe because your reasons are bad" has not proved to be a successful scum tell for me to use.
Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 3:42 am
by Gorkington
i think theres a difference between someone saying something that is so preposterous that it seems like it cant be a town thought process and someone continually using what i would loosely call gimmicks to justify their reads.
someone can believe things that i cant follow at all, but i could think that they seem genuinely convinced about them even though i think they could be wrong about something.
mafia is going to have a harder time creating genuine sounding hunting.
town is just going to try to do it.
if someone seems fake when theyre trying to push someone, to me thats a really good starting point.
Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 3:43 am
by Gorkington
or at least if its not then i would have literally 0 idea of where to even start with trying to find mafia because its literally how i play lol.
Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 3:44 am
by Dwlee99
You might have a point about the gimmick thing. I'll think about it more
Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 4:29 am
by PookyTheMagicalBear
In post 572, Kazyan wrote:You're good; I'm more talking to the Pooky fan club.
my fan club is awesome
Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 4:42 am
by Thestatusquo
The TV screen flickers and changes
Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 5:42 am
by Kazyan
In post 575, Gorkington wrote:b) i have lots of reads i just dont share them for free
How am I supposed to take this seriously
In post 575, Gorkington wrote:c) again with the indirect "all the people scumreading me are mafia but im not willing to commit to it bit by actually calling specific people mafia"-bit.
Since you won't shut up about this, fine. I think you and Dann are masons. You were moving in lockstep but I saw you two do it in reverse orders, and that makes me think you can communicate on the side. But I'm just baffled that everyone does whatever it is that Pooky wants them to do because...I don't know, scumhunter-god Pooky, but I know he's full of shit because he's yelling at me even though there's green in my role PM and then he just goes "lol let's kill this random lurker" and everyone is like "yes, that is a good idea!" and like, I'm pretty sure House has bad intent but then people like Meg and Murdercat just shrung and go along for the ride. Are they town? Are they just scum? Am I wrong about him being SK and he's just Mafia? None of the answers to these questions help me because Pooky can do whatever he wants in this game and people's reads spontaneously line up with his for no clear reason that I can discern. The only thing I can think of is that I'm just getting that much worse at Day 1 the more games I play in.
In post 575, Gorkington wrote:to expand on c) it feels like literally every read that kaz is pushing in this game is based on a bit.
house was town because trying to solve.
loftwing is town because aloof and daydreaming.
house is mafia because of the gimmick thing.
pooky is serial killer because he "softed it".
people pushing them are mafia because theyre pushing him and mafia is strongarming the game.
all of these are concepts that seem plausible, but do you actually really believe that kaz believes them if you actually sit and think about how reads are genuinely formed?
idk im probably not conveying it well but it just seems really obvious to me >_>
That's not why I think he's a serial killer
I have told people my actual reason for it twice
and you're saying I'm mafia
because I'm telling you the reasons for my reads I fucking
I'm about to tilt out my fucking chair here
Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 5:51 am
by Dannflor
VOTE: kazyan
Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 5:53 am
by Dwlee99
Can we stay on kidamn unless you weren't on him to begin with?
Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 5:53 am
by Dannflor
sorry but kidamn wagon seems like a waste of time?
Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 5:57 am
by Gorkington
kazyan wrote:How am I supposed to take this seriously
its partially a joke so you dont really have to take it seriously.
im not dumping all of my reads in the thread because i feel the only ones that are valuable to expand on are my scumreads.
In post 587, Kazyan wrote:That's not why I think he's a serial killer I have told people my actual reason for it twice
where is the reasoning
just that hes voting for anyone?
lots of people vote a lot on D1. making wagons early in the game is useful, its how you generate readable content.
kazyan wrote:you're saying I'm mafia because I'm telling you the reasons for my reads I fucking
this isnt what im saying. im saying that i dont believe any angle youve taken on any read this game.
everything is flimsy cardboard paperthin and i dont believe the way youve changed your mind on things like your house read.
i dont really think any of your engagement with other players is trying to do anything and is instead just there to make people think that youre being productive.
p-edit:
dwlee wrote:if kidamn prod dodges or makes bad posts before the replacement timer is hit i will functionally help vote there again but i feel like im not playing the game properly if im not voting who i think is mafia.
im also not really comfortable leaving kidamn on l-1 when kaz could read the room and lolhammer to save themselves.
Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 5:58 am
by PookyTheMagicalBear
In post 587, Kazyan wrote:That's not why I think he's a serial killer I have told people my actual reason for it twice and you're saying I'm mafia because I'm telling you the reasons for my reads I fucking
I'm about to tilt out my fucking chair here
maybe you should fix your chair so it's not tilted
just a thought
Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 5:59 am
by Gorkington
wait thats me not dwlee
yeesh im scattered this game.
me wrote:if kidamn prod dodges or makes bad posts before the replacement timer is hit i will functionally help vote there again but i feel like im not playing the game properly if im not voting who i think is mafia.
Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 5:59 am
by Gorkington
In post 587, Kazyan wrote:I think you and Dann are masons. You were moving in lockstep but I saw you two do it in reverse orders, and that makes me think you can communicate on the side.
why was this your inclination rather than that dannflor and i are coordinating in a scum pt
Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 6:00 am
by Loftwing
To be honest, we won't get anywhere fast if KidAmn does a noshow here and gets repped.
In post 587, Kazyan wrote:I think you and Dann are masons. You were moving in lockstep but I saw you two do it in reverse orders, and that makes me think you can communicate on the side.
why was this your inclination rather than that dannflor and i are coordinating in a scum pt
Because it just was, okay
Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 6:02 am
by PookyTheMagicalBear
cuz he doesn't see you two in his scum PT with him duh
Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 6:03 am
by PookyTheMagicalBear
also why would you out a mason read if you're town rofl
Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 6:05 am
by Gorkington
idk even if i think kazyan is really likely to be mafia and im not necessarily being mean i am a little on edge about making the game entirely unpleasant for them.
how does one reconcile not making someone feel bad and trying to lim them zzzzz
