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Post Post #600 (ISO) » Sat Aug 12, 2006 7:32 am

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The only real logic I can come at you guys with at this point in the game is that if you search throughout the entire thread, Twito has always talked but never actually said anything - meaning he's really only repeated what other people have said, and when he does add something that's actually novel, it feels to me to be really doctored and toned down a bit so that people will recognize that he's talking, but in case he made a mistake he didn't realize, people won't blow up at him for it.

Otherwise, you guys are gonna have to ask questions. The best I've done to hint at my role previously was that I acted as if there was an SK that's been the two killing groups, not an overeager vigilante; but I know that's not very good evidence, because it'd take a really bad player to kill someone every night.

I'd also like to bring this to attention:
Twito wrote:I said that scum wasn't told to have safeclaims. Meaning same than scum wasn't told not to have safeclaims. Ok?
How's he know the scum don't have safeclaims?
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Post Post #601 (ISO) » Sat Aug 12, 2006 8:21 am

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Oh, and since I haven't yet:

VOTE: Twito
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Post Post #602 (ISO) » Sun Aug 13, 2006 6:11 am

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Twito wrote:I have also accidently hinted to my role earlier I can look out for that post aswell if you wish.
Care to clarify this, Twito?
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Post Post #603 (ISO) » Mon Aug 14, 2006 4:42 am

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Discussion's been a little not-so-much, you know? Let's keep posting, people!
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Post Post #604 (ISO) » Mon Aug 14, 2006 2:32 pm

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Soon soon I've keepen busy and hadn't had time to be on computer.
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Post Post #605 (ISO) » Mon Aug 14, 2006 2:45 pm

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Didn't have much time it's quoted on Post: Tue Jul 11, 2006 1:22 pm Post subject: 196

Also possible reason for mafia not targetting me. :P

Like said I'm in Mexico as an exchangestudent(i think I have it sigged?) and atm I'm busy but I try to make proper post as soon as possible.
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Post Post #606 (ISO) » Tue Aug 15, 2006 5:09 am

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..sorry, I don't see it. How was that post a hint about your role?

What about you, Tamuz? You have a chance to do that re-read yet?
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Post Post #607 (ISO) » Tue Aug 15, 2006 7:41 am

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Well... I've reread Twito so far, and he prgressively got more town as I read (with of course a few twitches of scumminess). However, I really thought his early play ewas incredibly scummy. Very rarely did Twito actually state his own oppinion, rather he spouted 3 or 5 possibilities yet not the one he actually thought was probable. It seemed like he was just casting hooks until one stuck. That and he was one of the blindest mason followers, like he
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Quag, well I haven't thought him scummy all game, but I have yet to do an actual reread on him.
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Post Post #608 (ISO) » Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:44 am

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Alright, this is getting out of hand. All players prodded. We will have a deadline if things don't improve.
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Post Post #609 (ISO) » Fri Aug 18, 2006 6:54 am

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Answering my prod..
Yosarian2 wrote:..sorry, I don't see it. How was that post a hint about your role?
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Twito wrote: Shitload of conversation but to me Foolster and Slash strike as mason group. Or Foolster has investigation on Slash. Or scum group but I don't think so. I don't see any other reason why he would so directly protect Slash and attack players attacking Slash.
The game started in Day, and I'm going to assume that if he had a night action, he'd have noticed this and realised that cop investigations are not possible. I'm tentatively chalking Twito up as vanilla for now. So... uh... never mind.
And player saying so was part of mafia. Worth pointing out but wouldn't really count this as evidence. Then again as a vanilla there rarely are any huge hints about role.
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Post Post #610 (ISO) » Fri Aug 18, 2006 6:59 am

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Tamuz wrote:Well... I've reread Twito so far, and he prgressively got more town as I read (with of course a few twitches of scumminess). However, I really thought his early play ewas incredibly scummy. Very rarely did Twito actually state his own oppinion, rather he spouted 3 or 5 possibilities yet not the one he actually thought was probable. It seemed like he was just casting hooks until one stuck.
I stated my opinion pretty often really and it caused discussion. Like DiPen case.
Also eventually I got the mafia just right and I were the first one(s) to catch some of them and their scummy posts.
I don't know why you think I didn't give my opinion..
That and he was one of the blindest mason followers, like he
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Arafax had no possibility was bad, whereas many of us had the 'rampant paranoia' which is very valid IMO.
How does this point into direction of me being an SK?
I was believing that a mason was a mason and that makes me scummy? Weird logic. Where Quag was strongly attacking this mason all the way.
I'm normally very strong about my opinion. I can point out other games to prove this if you wish.
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Post Post #611 (ISO) » Fri Aug 18, 2006 9:28 am

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Twito wrote:I was believing that a mason was a mason and that makes me scummy? Weird logic. Where Quag was strongly attacking this mason all the way.
I wasn't really strongly attacking him as much as I was alerting everybody that the mason claim could be a clever ploy by a mafia so that we shouldn't believe them without thinking about it twice. In other words, "believe them for now, but it should be taken into consideration that they could be scum..."

If you will take note, I did unvote Arafax and later voted for Kain.
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Post Post #612 (ISO) » Sat Aug 19, 2006 10:57 am

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You're right Twito, I was just looking at overall scumminess rather than SK'iness, which doesn't help so much when we just have an SK left.

Attacking Quag for doubting a mason does not give you points in my book.

Yos, how would you feel about a Twito lynch.
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Post Post #613 (ISO) » Sun Aug 20, 2006 6:02 am

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Yos?
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Post Post #614 (ISO) » Sun Aug 20, 2006 12:33 pm

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Perhaps Yosarian2 should be prodded? He just posted elsewhere.
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Post Post #615 (ISO) » Sun Aug 20, 2006 12:56 pm

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Quagmire wrote:Perhaps Yosarian2 should be prodded? He just posted elsewhere.
Yeah, I just did; I just got back tonight after a few days away, and am catching up on all my games right now.

Anyway, at this point, Twomz, yeah, I think I'd support a twito lynch. It's a really close call, and I feel like it's almost a coin flip either way, though.
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Post Post #616 (ISO) » Tue Aug 22, 2006 1:48 pm

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This game is outta my hands already it's up to Yos and Tamuz not to skrew up the game for us.
Anyway I'm still here if I'm needed.
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Post Post #617 (ISO) » Tue Aug 22, 2006 1:51 pm

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Alright. If no one has anything else to say, I'm going to have to go with my gut here.

vote:Twito.


This always make me nervous...I'm no good at endgames.
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Post Post #618 (ISO) » Wed Aug 23, 2006 6:48 am

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Do you have any flavour behind why Oscar is a killer Quag?

I've reread the whole thing, and since we are searching for a SK it is hard to find said person through ties to other players. Then again there is no solid role-based anything of what to do. All I can go on is textual basis on who I think is SK'ier.

I will vote after Quag responds to my question.
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Post Post #619 (ISO) » Wed Aug 23, 2006 8:35 am

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Hmmm...I was basing my thinking on that quag's claim would a big risk if it was a fake claim, as if Tamuz was actually Oscar the combination of Quagmire's name claim and vig claim would guarentee he would get lynched.

However, that is a good question, Tamuz. Especally as now that I think about it seems possible to me that Oscar could actually be the SK himself (he seems more likely scum then, say, Baby Bear, after all.)

Hmm...
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Post Post #620 (ISO) » Wed Aug 23, 2006 9:06 am

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And Elmo wouldn't be a large risk as a fake claim?

No, both claims are strong name-wise, although Oscar is much more inherently evil than, say, elmo. I'd like to know, though, why Oscar would be a killing role, it seems much more likely that he'd stay in the safety of his can all the time. Quag may be trying to pull a fun gambit on us. I really don't trust it, even though his posting throughout the game has shown him to be more town minded that Twito.
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Post Post #621 (ISO) » Wed Aug 23, 2006 10:44 am

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The only flavor behind my role is that I am a grouch - so grouchy, in fact, I can kill people (at this point, I remember, when I first read this, I thought, "Oh boy! Mafia or SK! I love being evil!"). But, then it says that I'm not mean or evil, I'm just grouchy, so I'm part of the town's side.

So, no, I kill because I'm a grouch; I don't hide because I live in a garbage can.
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Post Post #622 (ISO) » Wed Aug 23, 2006 12:07 pm

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People?

Didn't you say one person earlier?
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Post Post #623 (ISO) » Wed Aug 23, 2006 12:16 pm

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Tamuz wrote:And Elmo wouldn't be a large risk as a fake claim?
Almost, but the difference is, Quag had already committed himself to a "either me or Twito is scum" kind of situation, so if you had made a counter-claim to him, he would have been totally dead.

Also, after Quag had claimed Oscar and put himself in a "either me or Twito" kind of situation, if Twito was scum, he would have to take the risk of going for a name-claim at least as well known and hope it wouldn't be your name.

Dispite my early thoughts, I think it's really clear that that the mafia did not have safe claims, as two of the scum gave really terrible name-claims. (One claimed Baby Bear, which killed him when the real scum Baby Bear got lynched, and the other one gave a claim which was both a fairly minor character and, coincidentally, my name.) It's possible the SK got a safe claim and the mafia didn't, of course.
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Post Post #624 (ISO) » Wed Aug 23, 2006 12:47 pm

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If so Yos, then it is much more likely Twito would be scum, but we can't outguess the mod so.
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