Mini 1349: Words with Scum (Game over!)

[DCLXVI]

That is funny. Because you and I both know I was talking about the MoI wagon that you jumped on. You rode by watching it happen and saying MoI was scum and ICE was town. You even told him to go back to doing their debate so you could watch some more.

I'm perfectly content to sit by and watch MoI dig himself into a deeper whole by continuing the ICE case. There is nothing wrong with that.

I never said anything about sheeping either, I have no idea where that came from.

my bad, I thought riding=sheeping but I guess not. What is the difference?

Where? I don't see any. Post some input from Day Two in which you contributed to the discussion and propelled the finding of scum. Quotes. Links. Whatever. Post it.

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post 618

what have I restated to appear town?

I have a specific example for this one.

This is post 592.

Ice vs. Vm is TvT.

This is post 593.

@ICE & Voided

I started the arugula wagon around post 90 or so. Just thought that might clear up one of your pointless arguments.

And I agree with robocopter this is very likely town on town.

How is agreeing with someone scummy? if it is scummy than we sure have more than 3 scum in this thread. Its also kind of ironic as this quote from me is another example of helpful input.

[Robocopter87]

That is funny. Because you and I both know I was talking about the MoI wagon that you jumped on. You rode by watching it happen and saying MoI was scum and ICE was town. You even told him to go back to doing their debate so you could watch some more.

I'm perfectly content to sit by and watch MoI dig himself into a deeper whole by continuing the ICE case. There is nothing wrong with that.

There is everything wrong with that. You are content in watching MoI and ICE fight because you wish to have MoI be killed. You aren't actively contributing to his death. (Or at least at the time of your original post saying you didn't wish to distract. If MoI flips town then you would not be connected to his death because you didn't actually do anything.

Riding is using other people's cases as your own so you don't have to scumhunt. By you allowing Ice to do all the work and not contributing, you are riding upon Ice.

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Wow, you have posted around 25 times Day Two and you give me two links.

The first link: Alright, you are right. Vijay did not post his reasons for voting you. You have one alright post.
The second link: MoI inquired as to why that would make Amrun town. You gave a response. but that response doesn't really indicate why Amrun is town. This point was null. Thus, your situations were wrong. This post didn't contain any helpful input.

How is agreeing with someone scummy? if it is scummy than we sure have more than 3 scum in this thread. Its also kind of ironic as this quote from me is another example of helpful input.

You didn't just agree. You agreed without adding anything helpful. You repeated what I said the

post after I said it

. Tell me, DCL, why was Ice vs VM TvT?

I don't see any input in that post at all. You just fed them fodder for their argument so you could continue sitting and watching and then restated my opinion as your own in an attempt to appear town.

[DCLXVI]

There is everything wrong with that. You are content in watching MoI and ICE fight because you wish to have MoI be killed. You aren't actively contributing to his death. (Or at least at the time of your original post saying you didn't wish to distract. If MoI flips town then you would not be connected to his death because you didn't actually do anything.

Sheesh, I make one sarcastic remark and you have to jump all over it. You even admit with the "at least at the time of your original post" part that I am indeed explaining why I find MoI scummy.

Riding is using other people's cases as your own so you don't have to scumhunt. By you allowing Ice to do all the work and not contributing, you are riding upon Ice.

I've actually explained why I find MoI scummy. So your point is false.

Wow, you have posted around 25 times Day Two and you give me two links.

You said I hadn't contributed at all.

I show that I have contributed some.

You then say that I have not contributed enough. Nice job changing your argument against me.

Here are some more links though (in before you accuse me of not having content in every single post)

Ice vs VM TvT?

Because I have town reads on both of them dating back to day 1. (which I have no intention of explaining so don't bother asking why. Let's just say they've both done something very townish and I'm waiting to see if anyone else does it.)

I don't see any input in that post at all. You just fed them fodder for their argument so you could continue sitting and watching and then restated my opinion as your own in an attempt to appear town.

I was attempting to clear up a point that they were clearly confused about (the question over who started the arugula wagon) I actually was trying to be helpful.

[Voidedmafia]

Yeah, well, shucks, DCL, your townread on me is nice and all...if you'd EXPLAIN it -_-.

Though, I do find it funny that both you and IceGuy repeatedly (well, IceGuy since this began, and you since one page ago) say that MoI is destroying himself on his case, but...he's not. I mean, MAYBE you're right on 1-2 points, but the rest...yeahno.

Btw, to the 2nd point (your activity) in 627, Robo said he didn't see where you contributed, not that you didn't do it period. Former=/=latter. Good job, though.

[Robocopter87]

Sheesh, I make one sarcastic remark and you have to jump all over it. You even admit with the "at least at the time of your original post" part that I am indeed explaining why I find MoI scummy.

I don't care if you want to be sarcastic. You said it. I will not nullify my points just because you say they are sarcastic. You weren't before, you were riding. Only until pressure appeared did you actually speak about MoI.

I've actually explained why I find MoI scummy. So your point is false.

At the point in time when you made the "Don't let me distract you" comment. You had not explained your read on MoI. You were riding upon Ice.

You said I hadn't contributed at all.

I show that I have contributed some.

You then say that I have not contributed enough. Nice job changing your argument against me.

Here are some more links though (in before you accuse me of not having content in every single post)

I never said that.
You showed one post in about 25 that actually had content.
You have not contributed enough.
You didn't post any links though (As shown before I am willing to say that you contributed if the posts you link actually are. Believe it or not my main goal is not to make you look as scummy as possible so i can lynch you.)

Because I have town reads on both of them dating back to day 1. (which I have no intention of explaining so don't bother asking why. Let's just say they've both done something very townish and I'm waiting to see if anyone else does it.)

No no no no no no

NO.

You didn't answer the question at all.

Why was the Ice vs Vm a TvT argument.

Not, "Are Ice and VM town in your eyes?"

Why was the argument town vs town.

(Also your refusal to explain your reads only adds to my case.)

I was attempting to clear up a point that they were clearly confused about (the question over who started the arugula wagon) I actually was trying to be helpful.

So you say you are sarcastic then you say you are helping. That post didn't help anyone. If you had been trying to help, you would've taken a side, not asked them to get back to debating.

[DCLXVI]

Not enough time for everything, but I'll do this one part now.

Why was the argument town vs town.

If two players are both town and they are arguing, then the argument is town vs. town.

I view ICE and VM as town, they are arguing, therefor the argument is town vs. town.

This is very simple, basic logic. It's not complicated.

Oh yeah, one more thing.

Because I have town reads on both of them dating back to day 1. (

which I have no intention of explaining so don't bother asking why.

Let's just say they've both done something very townish and I'm waiting to see if anyone else does it.)

I'm not explaining it, its a tell that isn't going to work if I do explain it. Therefor you are just going to have to accept that you will not get that explanation at least until the game is over.

[IceGuy]

Though, I do find it funny that both you and IceGuy repeatedly (well, IceGuy since this began, and you since one page ago) say that MoI is destroying himself on his case, but...he's not. I mean, MAYBE you're right on 1-2 points, but the rest...yeahno.

Could you give an example where you believe MoI has a point regarding me?

[Robocopter87]

@DCL: No. The argument itself has specific qualities about it that show each of the two people in it to be town. Thats what TvT is. TvT isn't "I think both of them are town so them arguing is TvT".

Also, I'm calling BS on this tell of yours.

[DCLXVI]

Also, I'm calling BS on this tell of yours.

Feel free to do so. I think at this point you have decided to call everything I do scummy so whatever.

[DCLXVI]

@DCL: No. The argument itself has specific qualities about it that show each of the two people in it to be town. Thats what TvT is. TvT isn't "I think both of them are town so them arguing is TvT".

If I have townreads on two players and they are arguing, why is it wrong for me to say the argument is TvT?

that just doesn't make any sense.

[IceGuy]

@DCL: No. The argument itself has specific qualities about it that show each of the two people in it to be town. Thats what TvT is. TvT isn't "I think both of them are town so them arguing is TvT".

If I have townreads on two players and they are arguing, why is it wrong for me to say the argument is TvT?

that just doesn't make any sense.

It makes sense. TvT means you consider the argument to be TvT looking.

For instance, I might say that doing X is scummy, but that does not mean I have a scumread on every player doing X.

[Robocopter87]

Also, I'm calling BS on this tell of yours.

Feel free to do so. I think at this point you have decided to call everything I do scummy so whatever.

Oh boohoo, I'm DCL and I've done scummy stuff so him calling me scummy is mean.

You call two people town from a tell that you refuse to share. I call BS.

@DCL: No. The argument itself has specific qualities about it that show each of the two people in it to be town. Thats what TvT is. TvT isn't "I think both of them are town so them arguing is TvT".

If I have townreads on two players and they are arguing, why is it wrong for me to say the argument is TvT?

that just doesn't make any sense.

Because thats not what TvT is.

[DCLXVI]

Oh boohoo, I'm DCL and I've done scummy stuff so him calling me scummy is mean.

That's childish and unnecessary. Besides being a completely inaccurate description of my response.

[Robocopter87]

Where are those links you promised?

PS: You said I called everything you do scummy. This is blatantly untrue. It also doesn't contribute anything to the conversation. I think you are scum. Pardon me for calling you scummy.

[DCLXVI]

Here are some more links though (in before you accuse me of not having content in every single post)

Where are those links you promised?

My bad, I thought I had put them after that top quote...

here:
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post 609

[Robocopter87]

1st link is alright.

Second link is not good at all. You called MoI scum for attacking a person you thought was town. How does that make him scum?

[vijay2vasandani]

Lol I love how DCL only posts like crazy when he's in danger of getting lynched.

Anyway, I never said AVox is scum. I'm just saying we should be wary of him.

[Quilford]

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[DCLXVI]

Lol I love how DCL only posts like crazy when he's in danger of getting lynched.

Anyway, I never said AVox is scum. I'm just saying we should be wary of him.

I have two person voting me right now, how exactly am I in danger of being lynched?

Also my argument with MoI started before robo was voting me so again you are wrong that my increase in posting was because of any sense of danger.

Thirdly, some of my "lots of posting" has been refuting robos "case".

[AurorusVox]

Willing to lynch today:
Vijay
DCL
MoI

Wagon any of those players and you will have my support.
Whisper is on the backburner for now~

[Robocopter87]

@AV: Go with DCL.

[IceGuy]

Let me repeat that so you all know why you should vote for MoI:

Okay, here's the deal with MoI.

He's currently exhibiting a typical tactic of his.

Read his ISO in Execution Mafia and in this game and see the parallels (Cosca is a hydra of me and Junpei).

First, he'll latch onto you for whatever you say. He'll pretend he has a genuine read by ramping it up with every post. In reality, he has already decided he'll try and get you lynched, so everything you do or say will be considered proof of your scumminess.

He'll then start a war of attrition with a constant stream of wallposts attacking you.

Typical tactics are:
- Blatant lie. Rare because it's generally obvious.
- Misrepresentation. This is the most common one, he'll subtly misinterpret whatever you said.
- Fake scumtell. He'll correctly state something you actually did, but will simply claim it as proof you're scum although it actually isn't.
- Constantly repeating you're scum. Seriously, read his posts and count the number of occurrences for the word "scum".

If you actually press him on a point he made, he'll either completely ignore it or use one of the above tactics to continue, constantly putting up new points and using whatever you replied to him as fodder for the above tactics.

He isn't interested in actual scumhunting. All he's doing is putting out a lot of words claiming you're scum and hoping something sticks. This is a tactic you can use on absolutely everyone to try and paint them as scum.

[DCLXVI]

Willing to lynch today:
Vijay
DCL
MoI

Wagon any of those players and you will have my support.
Whisper is on the backburner for now~

Instead of sitting back and waiting to see which wagon will be the most convenient to jump on, how about you just vote the person you think is most likely to be scum.

[DCLXVI]

@vijay, you never explained why you put your vote on me.

[AurorusVox]

I think all three of you are likely to be scum~