Mini 858 - Dexter Season One (Game Over)


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Post Post #650 (ISO) » Mon Nov 09, 2009 2:52 pm

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Well, I'll throw my vote up anyway, in case it makes any difference. I'm not totally against getting lynched, but I do think it'd be better to lynch one of our vanillas, whose votes don't hold the same weight as my own.

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Post Post #651 (ISO) » Mon Nov 09, 2009 3:09 pm

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I have an issue right now. My gut read and my information is now in conflict, and historically when that happens I've gone with info and it normally ends up bad for me. I'm not set on not voting jebus just yet, but I want more time to talk. There is absolutely no reason to end the day just yet.
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Post Post #652 (ISO) » Mon Nov 09, 2009 3:27 pm

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Post Post #653 (ISO) » Mon Nov 09, 2009 5:30 pm

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Given LL's attacks on chamber on day two and Konowa's post-lynch WIFOM focused on me and Jebus I think that chamber is more likely to be town that Jebus and he claims a guilty on Jebus. Furthermore, when we consider Budja's recent suggestion about someone having to kill someone in game to satisfy the code that would provide an explanation why Sotty couldn't kill Jebus on N1.

Conversely it seems likely that either Budja or Sociopath with their Neil Perry and Tony Tucci claims are ITK. Unfortunately it seems like both of them hit on easy targets on day one and were both fine with about five different lynches which would be in line with serial killer play.

I would probably be voting Jebus now if not for the quick lynch on day two, no need to rush things.
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Post Post #654 (ISO) » Mon Nov 09, 2009 6:00 pm

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@mod, what would happen if there was no majority in a deadline lynch. e.g. 2 votes on 1 player, 1 vote on another in a 4 player endgame


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Post Post #655 (ISO) » Mon Nov 09, 2009 6:06 pm

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I did not specify in the rules that an arrest would occur at all if at deadline an arrest condition had not been met. Therefore, if an arrest condtion has not been met by deadline, then the game will move to night with no arrest.
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Post Post #656 (ISO) » Mon Nov 09, 2009 6:30 pm

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Ouch.
Ok, I have something to add. My vote doesn't count against the ice truck killer.
If I survive to an endgame with ITK left, we will lose. So even if Jebus is mafia, as I suspect, I think the ITK can endgame us even with 4 alive.

Sorry about this. I was hoping we would hit the ITK earlier and I wouldn't have to deal with this.

unvote


We can lynch me today and hope for cross-kills (assuming mafia and SK alive) or we take a risk at one of DDD or Socio (I don't think Jebus is ITK).

If anyone can think of a better option, speak up.
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Post Post #657 (ISO) » Tue Nov 10, 2009 11:47 am

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Sorry guys I have been chasing a deadline most of today that's why I haven't posted.

Someone mentioned the Almaster lynch and questioned why I sat on the info I had. Well honestly I spaced a little on my double vote with Don's death. Maybe it was because I was convinced that he was scum, but I just didn't register that he could be quick lynched and that I should have unvoted. I feel a bit shitty about it actually and should have waited to place my vote.

Bujda's idea of only being able to kill people who have already killed does make a lot of sense thinking about it. I also have no problem with dropping a lynch -2 hammer.

There is even more to my role at this point that I haven't revealed. (I know right?) I am thinking a full claim from me should wait till later.
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Post Post #658 (ISO) » Tue Nov 10, 2009 12:07 pm

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Ok games not moving, I'm ready to lynch Jebus. Sotty, if Jebus
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Post Post #659 (ISO) » Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:22 pm

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chamber wrote:Ok games not moving, I'm ready to lynch Jebus. Sotty, if Jebus
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town, don't fire tonight.
Whyzat? Based on what she's claimed she can only actually kill someone who has violated the code so even if she targets an innocent there shouldn't be an issue of her accidentally losing us the game.
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Post Post #660 (ISO) » Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:24 pm

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^ yes.

Isn't anyone else concerned by my post?
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Post Post #661 (ISO) » Tue Nov 10, 2009 2:09 pm

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If we mislynch today then we go to night with 5, if the mafia hit seperate targets that aren't each other we go to day with 3, if she kills one of them it would be 1-1 = our loss.
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Post Post #662 (ISO) » Wed Nov 11, 2009 3:22 am

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Vote jebus
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Post Post #663 (ISO) » Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:13 am

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We can lynch me today and hope for cross-kills (assuming mafia and SK alive) or we take a risk at one of DDD or Socio (I don't think Jebus is ITK).
I'm not too interested in hoping for cross-kills to give us the win, tbh, that leaves a little too much up to chance. Lynching you wouldn't hurt us too badly, but we'd still be down one vote against the potential third mafiate, and then some after the night's deaths (assuming you are town).

I think our best bet is to take the risk and go at one of the Vanillas. If we're wrong, it certainly narrows our choices for a lynch tomorrow, and Dexter has a much better chance of getting scum tonight.

Though then again, if we don't get the cross-kill, we'll be at three alive, assuming no protections or no-kills, and Dexter's unsuccessful kill, and probably lose - not really a good choice. On the other hand, lynching one of DDD or Socio today will leave Sotty with a pretty clear choice on who is the ITK, and we could end up with 2 alive and one scum. As well, the chances of scum hitting the same target are moderately high. Sotty and chamber are dangerous, they are a cop and vigilante-that-can-only-hit-scum.
Deadline: November 24, 7:00p.m. Central
There is absolutely no reason to end the day just yet.
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We've still got about 12 days till deadline.
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Post Post #664 (ISO) » Wed Nov 11, 2009 8:02 am

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chamber wrote:If we mislynch today then we go to night with 5, if the mafia hit seperate targets that aren't each other we go to day with 3, if she kills one of them it would be 1-1 = our loss.
If we mislynch today, and that happens, the game is still lost because Budja can't vote the ITK:

A Non-Budja lynch, and separate scum kills would leave 3 (because you say Sotty killing a guaranteed scum is bad) but one of those 3 is Budja, and therefor, the ITK wins anyways.


Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:Conversely it seems likely that either Budja or Sociopath with their Neil Perry and Tony Tucci claims are ITK. Unfortunately it seems like both of them hit on easy targets on day one and were both fine with about five different lynches which would be in line with serial killer play.
Thats cute, if nothing more than a blatant misrepresentation of my actions.
I mean, if you ignore everything surrounding votes in general, than everything can look like crap, right?

For a case in point, let me quote the entireties of your posts containing votes and unvotes:
Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:
Vote: Jebus


For not being right back.
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charter wrote:I could do Konowa if we can't do chamber. Consolidate on Konowa?
K.

Unvote; Vote: Konowa
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Sotty7 wrote:Personally I think the game is stagnating. I realize this could just be my opinion because I don't support the two big wagons of the day.

I don't support the Don wagon, I think the reasoning on him is poor and people are willing to give alamaster a pass. Out of those two I think alamaster is much better lynch.

I don't particularly like the chamber wagon. He isn't helping himself but I don't find him hugely scummy at this point.

Jebus has done nothing in this game apart from continually going V/LA/active lurking and I am sick of it. He needs to die.
This.

Unvote; Vote: Jebus
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charter wrote:I'd also like to say, when Konowa flips scum, chamber is his buddy.
Do you always so blatantly stack lynches like this?

Unvote; Vote: Konowa
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Vote: Chamber


Charter would've wanted it this way.
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Sotty7 wrote:Seriously, we need to lynch Almaster.
I can get behind this.

Vote: AlmasterGM
And wow, that certainly raises a few alarms.
See how easy that was?
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Post Post #665 (ISO) » Wed Nov 11, 2009 10:28 am

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SocioPath wrote:Thats cute, if nothing more than a blatant misrepresentation of my actions.
I mean, if you ignore everything surrounding votes in general, than everything can look like crap, right?
You voted Budja, Jebus, and DJ on day one and all appeared to be serious votes and then said you said Konowa was also an acceptable lynch near day's end.

I pressure voted Jebus and tried to get Konowa lynched while shooting down wagons on DJ and chamber.

Day two can't really be counted for anything because the day ended before we could unfortunatly flesh things out, but from the looks of day one you were willing to accept a whole lot of lynches while in contrast I was looking for scum. Usually (and especially on day one) an SK doesn't care so much about who gets lynched as long as it's not them so I'd suggest your play fits the SK profile pretty well and especially well compared to my pretty standard town play. I don't see how I'm misrepresnting anything. Given the facts and claims I think most would agree upon review that your play and Budja's play are most likely to be that of a serial killer in this game.
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Post Post #666 (ISO) » Wed Nov 11, 2009 10:30 am

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Jebus wrote:
We can lynch me today and hope for cross-kills (assuming mafia and SK alive) or we take a risk at one of DDD or Socio (I don't think Jebus is ITK).
I'm not too interested in hoping for cross-kills to give us the win, tbh, that leaves a little too much up to chance. Lynching you wouldn't hurt us too badly, but we'd still be down one vote against the potential third mafiate, and then some after the night's deaths (assuming you are town).

I think our best bet is to take the risk and go at one of the Vanillas. If we're wrong, it certainly narrows our choices for a lynch tomorrow, and Dexter has a much better chance of getting scum tonight.

Though then again, if we don't get the cross-kill, we'll be at three alive, assuming no protections or no-kills, and Dexter's unsuccessful kill, and probably lose - not really a good choice. On the other hand, lynching one of DDD or Socio today will leave Sotty with a pretty clear choice on who is the ITK, and we could end up with 2 alive and one scum. As well, the chances of scum hitting the same target are moderately high. Sotty and chamber are dangerous,
they are a cop and vigilante-that-can-only-hit-scum.
Accepts the conclusion that chamber is in fact a cop. When I was town with a paranoid cop getting a false guilty on me (Second String Muppets Mafia), I went bezerk trying to get them lynched/trying to find a reasonable explanation for their claim. Jebus' casual acceptance of the facts suggests to me he knows chamber is a cop with a legitimate guilty on him.

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Post Post #667 (ISO) » Wed Nov 11, 2009 10:32 am

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Jebus
(chamber, Debonair Danny DiPietro)
SocioPath
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Sotty7
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Sociopath, Sotty7, Budja

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Post Post #668 (ISO) » Wed Nov 11, 2009 10:33 am

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SocioPath wrote:
chamber wrote:If we mislynch today then we go to night with 5, if the mafia hit seperate targets that aren't each other we go to day with 3, if she kills one of them it would be 1-1 = our loss.
If we mislynch today, and that happens, the game is still lost because Budja can't vote the ITK:

A Non-Budja lynch, and separate scum kills would leave 3 (because you say Sotty killing a guaranteed scum is bad) but one of those 3 is Budja, and therefor, the ITK wins anyways.
Wrong. Lynching there would be town loss, correct play is a no-lynch which should still be doable.
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Post Post #669 (ISO) » Wed Nov 11, 2009 11:15 am

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chamber wrote:
SocioPath wrote:
chamber wrote:If we mislynch today then we go to night with 5, if the mafia hit seperate targets that aren't each other we go to day with 3, if she kills one of them it would be 1-1 = our loss.
If we mislynch today, and that happens, the game is still lost because Budja can't vote the ITK:

A Non-Budja lynch, and separate scum kills would leave 3 (because you say Sotty killing a guaranteed scum is bad) but one of those 3 is Budja, and therefor, the ITK wins anyways.
Wrong. Lynching there would be town loss, correct play is a no-lynch which should still be doable.
Wat.
Wrong?
Nothing I said there is incorrect. Perhaps you should reread it.
Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:You voted Budja, Jebus, and DJ on day one and all appeared to be serious votes and then said you said Konowa was also an acceptable lynch near day's end.
So when you pressure Jebus and his stupid 'always V/LA' playstyle, its fine and dandy. When I do it, its obviously because I'm an SK. Right.

And of course the things I pointed out with Budja are obviously invalid.

As well as DJ. Yes, everything I pointed out was obviously completely invalid.

And I only jumped on Konowa at the end? Mercy me. I guess thats true, if you ignore everything I say, and make up some batshit crazy assumptions.
Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:Day two can't really be counted for anything because the day ended before we could unfortunatly flesh things out, but from the looks of day one you were willing to accept a whole lot of lynches while in contrast I was looking for scum.
Yes, because I made cases and voted people is bad. While IN CONTRAST as you put it, you were looking for scum. I call BS.
And yes, lets ignore Day2, when the only opinions I gave were:
chamber is town
Sottys voting was off
Almaster was scum
Didn't see why LL was scum
Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:Usually (and especially on day one) an SK doesn't care so much about who gets lynched as long as it's not them so I'd suggest your play fits the SK profile pretty well and especially well compared to my pretty standard town play.
So you are saying, because I didn't actively lead a lynch against myself...I'm an SK. Well CRAP! INFALLIBLE LOGIC. I guess I should have pointed out more of my faults to try and get myself lynched! (DJ D1 asked if I was making a case on myself.)
Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:I don't see how I'm misrepresnting anything. Given the facts and claims I think most would agree upon review that your play and Budja's play are most likely to be that of a serial killer in this game.
I think I'm realizing your obsession with the SK....because you are hunting for, and only for the SK. Everything scummy would look like an SK to you, like ignoring anything I've said that might have implied I was a buddy or Konowa (I never actually voted for him.) or LL (I was calling out the case against him because I didn't see what he had done which was scummy). You never even implied that given my actions its even possible for me to BE mafia.

You aren't looking for the mafia, you are looking for the SK.
Why is that?
I think you know why.
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Post Post #670 (ISO) » Wed Nov 11, 2009 11:29 am

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Accepts the conclusion that chamber is in fact a cop. When I was town with a paranoid cop getting a false guilty on me (Second String Muppets Mafia), I went bezerk trying to get them lynched/trying to find a reasonable explanation for their claim. Jebus' casual acceptance of the facts suggests to me he knows chamber is a cop with a legitimate guilty on him.
My casual acceptance is not suggestive that I am scum, it is suggestive that I'm assuming chamber isn't lying about it. See my post 644.

Complete craplogic here, by the way - I believe it's called the sharpshooter fallacy; you jump to a conclusion a little too far from where your facts lead you. The fact that you were so quick to find a reason to vote suggests you want Day to end. Now if you'll excuse my paranoia, here's the PbPA I promised on you a while ago - I forgot to post it earlier what with Almaster being quicklynched. Comments updated a bit, and added D3 stuff.

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Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:Even if it's blatent it's still fishing. Won't vote right now because of modifided rules, but I'm here and paying attention.
Early, very cautious. After D3, not as big a deal, considered rightfully so.
Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:
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Debonair Danny DiPietro Post 34 wrote:Even if it's blatent it's still fishing. Won't vote right now because of modifided rules, but I'm here and paying attention.
Thoughts on the miller claim?
No experience with them, I understand it's common to claim it immediatly, I also understand scum have taken to doing that as well. It feels like a role that's prefectly suited for our theme as well, so I'm just going to evaluate him like he's any other player.

Also, no one took the opportunity to make a short joke with charter's Masuka PR claim? For shame.
Skillful way of saying "I have no clue" :P

Again, early so means nothing.
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Vote: Jebus


For not being right back.
Easy vote, when other stuff to talk about existed. Little comment on anything.
Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:I haven't been bothered by chamber that much previously to this as a lot of the phrasings and argumentation he's using I've used and use as town. But this last post of his is pretty terrible and strikes me as almost over eager to claim.
'kay, no comments.
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Locke Lamora wrote:DDD: if Chamber's using the same phrasing and argumentation that you have personally, does that make you think that he's more likely to be pro-town? Do you agree with the substance of his arguments?
It's been a pretty punchless version of it and lately he's just descended into WIFOM overload. I also went and did a reread based on my normal trend analysis and Chamber comes up as most likely scum based on that as well.

My big issue is that of those who also registered with a higher liklihood of being scum only Konowa struck me as being a possible partner with AGM, Budja, and Cyberbob pushing too hard too early for them to be partners.
'kay, more towniness, though kinda passive.
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SocioPath wrote:And lets see if Triple D has anything to say either way. Considering he is an essential part of this whole equation.
How am I essential other than your and my behavior was similar enough for charter to lump us together? You were the one who decided to raise the issue and voted for Budja. I'm not fond of Budja, but mostly for reasons unrelated to this latest argument of yours.
General lack of explanation, leaves it open. I'm wondering what those reasons were, if they're relevant to where we're at.
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DDD wrote:... but mostly for reasons unrelated to this latest argument of yours.
Elaborate.
Trend analysis and a general dislike of your phrasings mostly. For example your rhetorical question about people ignoring your name claim didn't sit particularly well with me.
There we go.
Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:1) I'm not going to say what trends I like to look at because it then allows them to be planned against and they don't ever convince anyone anyways; they're merely factors that influence me. I can pretty easily self-meta to show the more formalized version of my analysis and I'm pretty sure I've mentioned my perchance for this lately to charter.

2) It was pretty obvious why no one said anything about Budja's name claim, it was logically consistent with that of a miller. So it looks to me like he was unnecessarily trying to push forward a non-issue to earn himself and his claim more credibility.
'kay. Wondering if DDD still thinks this.
Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:
charter wrote:I could do Konowa if we can't do chamber. Consolidate on Konowa?
K.

Unvote; Vote: Konowa
Thought, does DDD have a post restriction?
Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:
don_johnson wrote:ebebwop: sotty, ddd, jebus

where are they?
Waiting for everyone else to come to their senses and get back to lynching Konowa.
Not gonna help push that along, if that's what you wanted?
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Debonair, post 307 wrote:Waiting for everyone else to come to their senses and get back to lynching Konowa.
Why hello there! I am get the feeling that this is nothing more than a "hi, I am here still, move along, nothing to see" type of post.

Mind explaining why you think I am the best lynch for the day.

Also, can you comment on dj and chamber and share your opinion on the pair of them.
Hi there. Would, "you're scum" be explanation enough?

You spent way too much time debating a relatively pointless issue in regards to the miller name claim instead of scum hunting (and you were on the wrong side of that argument as well), the trend analysis I mentioned earlier shows you as likely scum except you don't share the links to the other likelier scum suspects which warned me off chamber, and lately your vote on DJ is pretty bad as well.

I don't have a good read on chamber in terms of town/scum (I have a good read on his usefulness however: minimal) and DJ is obvtown based on meta considerations.
'kay, there we go.
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Jebus wrote:
Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:
don_johnson wrote:ebebwop: sotty, ddd, jebus

where are they?
Waiting for everyone else to come to their senses and get back to lynching Konowa.
I want to see truckloads more from you. You seem to be completely up to speed and around, why have I only seen like, four posts from you?
Because you can't count, I know have three times as many posts as you suggested I did. LAL?
I fail at counting literally - I count by amount of content.
Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:Still don't really care for a chamber lynch, strikes me as more useless than scum. I still really like a knonowa lynch and could live with a budja lynch as well.
More lack of reasoning. I know why he wants Konowa lynched here, but not budja, nor why he doesn't want chamber lynched. Though, I understand why he doesn't want him lynched now.
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Konowa wrote:@DDD - What made you change your mind about chamber from post 313, where you stated that you do not have a read on chamber, to post 366, where you say that you think he is more useless than scum? I do not see anything that was said that could have possibly changed your mind.

Also, why do you call chamber out on being over eager to claim, in post 149, but make no mention of it when dj is just looking for a chance to claim?
My read shifted from neutral to useless because he flat out began saying things like, "I don't make cases" which makes him pretty fricking useless. Sadly, it's my experience that such uselessness is more common in town than scum and thus while I'd love to see him dead for that fact, I don't think it probably helps the town. Plus there almost has to be a SK and/or Vig in this game so they can mop him up at night if they're convinced otherwise.

Difference of degrees, I had a neutral read on chamber and his "wanting to claim" was more subtle. I have a town read on DJ and he's about as subtle as a car crash in his desire to claim. It makes sense to bring it up in the first case and not so much in the second.

Don, stop whining and vote for someone already.
Better, more reasoning.
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Sotty7 wrote:Personally I think the game is stagnating. I realize this could just be my opinion because I don't support the two big wagons of the day.

I don't support the Don wagon, I think the reasoning on him is poor and people are willing to give alamaster a pass. Out of those two I think alamaster is much better lynch.

I don't particularly like the chamber wagon. He isn't helping himself but I don't find him hugely scummy at this point.

Jebus has done nothing in this game apart from continually going V/LA/active lurking and I am sick of it. He needs to die.
This.

Unvote; Vote: Jebus
Passive, but understandable.
Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:
Konowa wrote:
Debonair, post 372 wrote:My read shifted from neutral to useless because he flat out began saying things like, "I don't make cases" which makes him pretty fricking useless. Sadly, it's my experience that such uselessness is more common in town than scum and thus while I'd love to see him dead for that fact, I don't think it probably helps the town. Plus there almost has to be a SK and/or Vig in this game so they can mop him up at night if they're convinced otherwise.
DDD, if someone other than chamber said that he/she was not going to make a case would you also find him/her useless? I do not like how you are trying to paint chamber's meta, which I believe is a null-tell, into something pro-town.
It would depend on things like context and consistency for me to determine whether I deemed someone else useless, not exactly something that can just be asked and answered. And I don't have a meta read on chamber, never played with the guy before, I do have enough experience to disassociate anti-town and scummy behaviors, in this case I believe it to simply be the former and not the latter.
'kay, nothing to say.
Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:
charter wrote:I'd also like to say, when Konowa flips scum, chamber is his buddy.
Do you always so blatantly stack lynches like this?

Unvote; Vote: Konowa
Minimal, but 'kay.
Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:
charter wrote:Yeah, clearly we need more votes, don't know what the hold up is.
Well I think we all assumed the "predetermined conditions for arrest" was a lowered threshold of votes, but it certainly appears that sometimes it might be higher as well.
'kay
Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:
Vote: Chamber


Charter would've wanted it this way.
Still haven't figured why he wants to lynch chamber. Especially after some of his previous posts.
Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:
Unvote
Again, still have no clue.
Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:
Sotty7 wrote:Seriously, we need to lynch Almaster.
I can get behind this.

Vote: AlmasterGM
More vote, less stated reason.
Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:With chamber's claim and seeing basically no way that this can be LYLO I see no downside to a mass-claim.

Claim: Rita Bennett, vanilla townie.
Quick (?) to claim, Vanilla claim.
Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:Sotty's claim makes plenty of flavor sense to me and fits completely with her behavior towards the Don wagon as well on D1 so I'm extremely inclined to believe her.

And we're just waiting on Jebus to pull one of his "oh hai just checking in to report that you might get content from me later" posts where he ignores the pertinent issue(s) [in this case the mass claim] at hand and then never delivers the content anyways, ja?
'kay
Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:Given all of the above and the questionable vote threshold chamber should unvote.
'kay
Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:I have received no messages.
'kay
Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:Fact: We have a vig who claims not to have a succesful kill N1.
Fact: We have two kills N1.
Flavor Fact: There is a prominent serial killer (ITK) in the first season of Dexter.
Flavor Fact: This serial killer attemptes to communicate with Dexter in a variety of fashions.
Fact: Our Dexter-vig is claiming to recieve messages at night from an unknown source.
Logical Conclusion: ITK is in the game as a serial killer and can send messages to Dexter.

Sotty can you/have you asked the mod if you can quote the communiques that you have received?
~~~

Multiple things are bothering me about chamber's claim. Sotty's role effectively functions as a vig/cop making it extremely powerful, to also include another cop seems overpowered. Also, while Doakes has a temper he's a good cop and him murdering a suspect even a guilty one doesn't seem to fit the character either. Furthermore, if there were going to be any twists the role of Doakes you'd expect them to revolve around Dexter.
'kay, reasonable.
Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:Forgot to finish that thought: but chamber claims to have targeted our claimed Dexter and nothing special happened.
'kay
Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:Given LL's attacks on chamber on day two and Konowa's post-lynch WIFOM focused on me and Jebus I think that chamber is more likely to be town that Jebus and he claims a guilty on Jebus. Furthermore, when we consider Budja's recent suggestion about someone having to kill someone in game to satisfy the code that would provide an explanation why Sotty couldn't kill Jebus on N1.

Conversely it seems likely that either Budja or Sociopath with their Neil Perry and Tony Tucci claims are ITK. Unfortunately it seems like both of them hit on easy targets on day one and were both fine with about five different lynches which would be in line with serial killer play.

I would probably be voting Jebus now if not for the quick lynch on day two, no need to rush things.
Wondering what DDD thinks on both Budja and Socio.
Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:
chamber wrote:Ok games not moving, I'm ready to lynch Jebus. Sotty, if Jebus
is
town, don't fire tonight.
Whyzat? Based on what she's claimed she can only actually kill someone who has violated the code so even if she targets an innocent there shouldn't be an issue of her accidentally losing us the game.
'kay
Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:
SocioPath wrote:Thats cute, if nothing more than a blatant misrepresentation of my actions.
I mean, if you ignore everything surrounding votes in general, than everything can look like crap, right?
You voted Budja, Jebus, and DJ on day one and all appeared to be serious votes and then said you said Konowa was also an acceptable lynch near day's end.

I pressure voted Jebus and tried to get Konowa lynched while shooting down wagons on DJ and chamber.

Day two can't really be counted for anything because the day ended before we could unfortunatly flesh things out, but from the looks of day one you were willing to accept a whole lot of lynches while in contrast I was looking for scum. Usually (and especially on day one) an SK doesn't care so much about who gets lynched as long as it's not them so I'd suggest your play fits the SK profile pretty well and especially well compared to my pretty standard town play. I don't see how I'm misrepresnting anything. Given the facts and claims I think most would agree upon review that your play and Budja's play are most likely to be that of a serial killer in this game.
'kay


Final thoughts: Really passive. When I think him looking scum, he comes around and does something townish. I'm still unsure on his reason for what he said his stance was on Budja and Chamber. My best guess is that this one is the ITK, and not mafia.
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Post Post #671 (ISO) » Wed Nov 11, 2009 11:30 am

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postfail

Must've hit 'submit' instead of 'preview'

Mod: Please delete my post 669


For those who didn't see, I deleted a partial post from Jebus that contained the first portion of his post 670
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Post Post #672 (ISO) » Wed Nov 11, 2009 11:31 am

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Socio wrote:You aren't looking for the mafia, you are looking for the SK.
DDD was the first to mention the ITK as the SK back in post 637.
In fact, both Jebus and DDD seem to have taken the existance of an ITK serial killer as granted.

I think we've caught both our scum here.

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Post Post #673 (ISO) » Wed Nov 11, 2009 11:39 am

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Budja wrote:
Socio wrote:You aren't looking for the mafia, you are looking for the SK.
DDD was the first to mention the ITK as the SK back in post 637.
In fact, both Jebus and DDD seem to have taken the existance of an ITK serial killer as granted.

I think we've caught both our scum here.

vote Jebus
This is because we had two kills on N1, where Sotty claims to have not been able to kill. This almost definitely means that there are two killers other than Dexter. So I'm assuming we've an ITK and one more mafia left.
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Post Post #674 (ISO) » Wed Nov 11, 2009 12:30 pm

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Re: Sociopath's latest rant. I said on day one your reasons for voting Budja were not convincing to me. I also said that DJ was obvtown and that the wagon on him sucked, so yeah you were pushing easy targets with bad arguments in my view there. Also the key part wasn't that you were a late comer to the Konowa lynch it's that he was an acceptable lynch along with about four other people to you. Having so many targets facilitates easy voting later on without getting in trouble and it makes it easier to secure a lynch because you can be on any of those wagons as it's convenient.

Furthermore, to address both Socipath and Budja I've not exclusively looked for a SK. I've made it pretty clear that I believe(d) Jebus to be mafia and that's why I'm, ya know, voting for him right now. However, I don't think it's in the town's best interest to neglect the other half of the equation and frankly Sociopath's freak out is really bothering me and I'm not sure voting Jebus is the best thing to do right now.

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Jebus if you've got questions from that PBPA please break them out separately for ease of use.
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