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Tammy wrote:If you are town, the fact that you're alive should probably make you think twice about jumping on Yates again today. If you are town, the fact that Fate is dead instead should let you know that either scum didn't buy your claim or they didn't think you were a threat to them.
I could comment on all your V2V stuff but I'll leave it to him. I do like this bit though, why are you threatening him to stay away from Yates? And did you have a point to the second part? I'm never against stating the obvious, but combined with the first half it just seems like you're trying to put him down for some reason...
Tammy wrote:I need to do some ISO's as it's been really hard to get reads for some reason.
Tammy wrote:Your statement that you did it because you feel out of your depth feel really false in light of some of the players here.
O.o These two just don't seem to add up to me... Couldn't it be possible that the same reson you find it hard to get reads is the same reason another player might feel 'out of their depth'? And what did you mean by 'in light of some of the players here'?
Tammy wrote:There was something that I think I remember reading that made it less likely, so eh.
Very interested in what this was. V2V aside, Rat is still the only real scum suspect I have so anything connecting or not connecting with Ben would be important.
Tammy wrote:Korlash is my best guess for scum though. His interaction with Ben didn't look good. There were lots of quote stripe discussions but a lot of it felt very staged and none of it felt as though they were evaluating each other in order to find scum. The buddying of MoI struck me as off as did the turn around at the end of the day, the "I wish you had been lynched earlier" statement aside. MoI's case on him at the end of the day was strong and Korlash's rebuttal was lacking. Fate's death doesn't look good for Korlash either. I need to double ISO Ben and Korlash to look over their interactions again.
Obviously I would like an expansion on this, I understand first post and all that so I know there is more to come but have to say it and all that...
Specifically what about my interaction with Ben. The 'buddying' of MoI is the only thing I've actaully evaluated as a legitimate point against me but since the majority of it came from me having a town read on him all day there shouldn't exist any strong 'buddying' towards him that doesn't also exist elsewhere. (V2V and Ben both would net the same 'buddying' MoI since I know and like them from other games. Your predecessor, The Jester would have gotten equal treatment in that regards had he posted more.) I'm friendly to people I like, keeps game tension down but I suppose causes trouble for me in some cases.
My turnaround on MoI certainly sounds bad in a general sense but if you take the actual reasons behind the switch it becomes a hell of a lot more understandable. If you think player A is town for 90% of a day and then see them commit a foul scummy action, do you neglect voting them simply because of your prior read? No, you evalute your prior read while analysing the new action and come to a new, unbiased, conclusion. Although, you apparently get called at for 'overjustification' when you do this so I don't know what to think anymore... It's a madhouse! A MADHOUSE!
Tammy wrote:MoI's case on him at the end of the day was strong and Korlash's rebuttal was lacking.
I'd like to see your explination for this. MoI's case was "he fell into my trap" and my rebuttle was "your trap was flawed", it's impossible MoI's case was stronger than my rebuttle since his plan had zero chance to legitimately find scum and my vote on him was based on something we all know to be true. You can think whatever you want about my reasons for voting or my rebuttle to his 'case' but if you actually think his case was 'strong' AND my rebuttle was 'lacking' you're either scum pushing my mislynch or misguided due to MoI's stature(Meaning you didn't bother to actually read either). Unless... You mean to say his case was more than just his 'ploy' in which case I'll need to hear you out before coming to a conclusion.
Final conclusion: You did happen to mention the one legitimate point that could be used against me but the rest of it seems weak and without just cause. I recognize it's just an early replacement read but you choose to add a vote with it so I'm holding you to the standards expected of voteing so I'm eagerly awaiting your explinations for some of these 'conclusions' you've arrived at. You also managed to hit one of my cardinal scum tells in the process so that obviously makes me doubt your intentions as well. Really looking forward to your explinations for some of this stuff.
V2V wrote:Well if it's legit enough to draw the doc then it should draw the scum nk. If it does that then at least the scum's kill doesn't go through.
If you had said this five posts ago I would likely have unvoted you for it. Sadly, it took me walking you into it for you to come out with it so I'm not sure how much credit I can give you. Did you actually think about this when you choose to fakeclaim or did you only consider it when I asked about it?
V2V wrote:And if the vig didn't die, I still would have tried to push the vig claim around. From my POV, why would mafia claim vig? They can't make an extra kill. So what if it makes people think I'm the SK we can deal with it later.
From your point of view? You can't keep up with the game so you pull a sacrificial move to be of some use to your team? Unlike claiming Cop or Doc, Vig is the one fakeclaim you can claim to have not used and still be considered town for it. Being a claimed power role means you can fakeclaim being RBed, so there is no reason you would even have to perform a kill. I could probably go on if I needed to.
Point is, the argument "why would scum do this?" isn't going to work. Unlike MoI, I'm good at doing gambits and ploys and shit so when I say scum doing what you did given what you've said is perfectly legit, I kinda know what I'm talking about. Don't focus on what Scum wouldn't do, focus on what you DID do since from your point of view you should be town, right? That's all that should be important to you.
And for the sake of all that is holy say everything and anything that is relevant to your claim NOW. If you are town, I cannot afford to keep having to walk you into the right answers since that makes it impossible for me to accurately read you. If you willy-nilly claimed vig, admit to it now. If you thought about ANYTHING before hand, tell me what your conclusions were.
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