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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 6:27 pm
by VisMaior
I still dont get it, with what did I earn that vote?
Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 6:44 pm
by MeMe
It's been, like, a week and a half since we've had a vote count. Can we have one? I don't even know if that was the second or third vote on Vis.
Vis -- I think that you and d8P and DAS make the most sense together, though I could see Fishbulb OR CoolBot in DAS's place too. I don't think that mike looks guilty. At all. And he's voting you. I explained my personal thoughts about why you look suspicious and, no, your reply did nothing to make me think you're innocent. One more thing I didn't mention in that post but HAVE mentioned before is the fact that you insist on saying that Aureal was mind-controlled when it doesn't look as though she was from my perspective. The only reason I can see for someone pushing that theory (when, as you said "why does it matter") is if that person KNEW she was mind-controlled. And who could know that other than the mind-controller himself (or a scumbuddy)?
Put yourself in my shoes. Who looks
more
suspicious than you? Like I said -- I've got to be convinced.
unvote: Vis
Eventually, though, I'm going to HAVE to just vote and it will HAVE to simply be my best guess. Currently you hold that honor, but I'm willing to hear a better case against someone else. The only other person I think of as a possible lynchee today is DAS and you seem dead set on excusing him just because he admitted being blocked -- which I just don't get.
Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 9:02 pm
by VisMaior
Ok, Ill do a PBPA of the whole thread, if you can bring up the patience, to show my points. It will take a while (maybe a few days), since Im at work, but bear with me here.
Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 2:59 am
by Fishbulb
MeMe wrote:I don't think that mike looks guilty. At all. And he's voting you.
I think he does look guilty. For one, he seems determined to keep the lynch off of CoolBot. If he was a townie, he might not agree with a CoolBot lynch, but he would have to understand that it is possible he is wrong and wouldn't be so adamant about it. Also, his mafia-roleblocker thing, it just doesn't sit well with me. I've never heard anyone make that kind of a claim before, so it sounds like he's just trying to come up with some way to get VisMaior lynched.
At the same time, I don't see him extra scummy enough to lynch, mind you. I think CoolBot, or davidangelsummers, would be top of the list before him.
Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 3:29 am
by mikeburnfire
I am not determined to keep the lynch off of Coolbot. Where do you get that idea? He's the third-most suspicious on my list and if the majority of you wanted to take him out today I would most likely be a part of the bandwagon. I'm just more convinced in Vis and d8p.
Speaking of which, you and Coolbot should reconsider my logic. I've already proven that DAS==scum=Vis==Scum=d8p==scum. If you can understand my logic, believe MeMe's claim, and you are pro-town, you should know that d8p is scum and Vis is likely to be as well.
Also, I would know firsthand about the mafiablockr claim. I claimed the exact same thing in one of my previous games. The town saw right through my claim though and lynched me.
Of course, in that game one of the masons was a mafia-mason, weren't they d8p? Not that I have any inclination to believe MeMe is a traitor.
Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 3:51 am
by VisMaior
Also, I would know firsthand about the mafiablockr claim. I claimed the exact same thing in one of my previous games.
So, you have been mafia roleblocker once, no more protown roleblockers for anybody in any games ever! What logic!
Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 4:04 am
by VisMaior
Of course, in that game one of the masons was a mafia-mason, weren't they d8p? Not that I have any inclination to believe MeMe is a traitor.
You are the secnd one to mention this. I never tought it, but MeMe could be antitown. The turnipseed person
was
the first to bite the bullet... Well, I guess Ill see clearer when I finish my PBPA.
Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 4:05 am
by mikeburnfire
VisMaior wrote:Also, I would know firsthand about the mafiablockr claim. I claimed the exact same thing in one of my previous games.
So, you have been mafia roleblocker once, no more protown roleblockers for anybody in any games ever! What logic!
Stop rewording my sentences into bizarre absolutes.
Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 4:13 am
by VisMaior
What? You base your accusation on me beeing mafia roleblocker on your previous role beeing one. Is it not what you meant?
Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 4:25 am
by mikeburnfire
I'm not saying all roleblockers are mafia roleblockers. I base my accusation on you being mafia roleblocker because I know that three(?) people are lying about their roles and am fairly certain d8p is one of them and you are another. Roleblocker is a natural claim for a mafia roleblocker because all you have to do is claim you had pro-town intent, something I learned firsthand from my last game.
Now get back to your 'PBPA', whatever that is.
Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 4:28 am
by mikeburnfire
And Vis, if MeMe was seriously pro-scum, why would she kill off the only person the could confirm her innocence?
Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 4:50 am
by VisMaior
PBPA: post by post analysys
And Vis, if MeMe was seriously pro-scum, why would she kill off the only person the could confirm her innocence?
Yes, true. Idea dismissed for now.
Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 4:55 am
by Fishbulb
mikeburnfire wrote:And Vis, if MeMe was seriously pro-scum, why would she kill off the only person the could confirm her innocence?
Why not? With the other mason dead, she'd have the perfect claim and no one could argue. And, it would help keep the other mason from noticing any suspiciousness on her part.
I'm not saying that I think she is a scum-mason. At this point, if we add her into the equation as possible scum, we'd never get a lynch going.
Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 5:05 am
by d8P
Oh, I'm not going to forget that game in a hurry. I coasted all the way to the end game. I was once a mason with Jeep, but he was also the GF :/ While the possibility exists that DAS isn't scum but MeMe is and offed her mason day one so she could coast unquestioned to the endgame, it's also possible the moon is made of cheese.
I understand the argument that DAS's odd question about who blocked him and Vis's brevity in answering seem stilted. ~shrug~ He's still a cop, I'm still his back up.
Fish has a point though. There are either too many backups or the scum would need extra powers to balance things. I am aware that the only evidence of the mind control (which even involoved a vote for me :/) is Vis's testimony, but why would he have made up such a bizarre story? Perhaps you believe we planned our claim of blockercops from the very start?
Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 5:11 am
by mikeburnfire
Well, you have a point there to an extent Fishbulb, but the only reason I could see anyone killing of the innocent mason is so they could let their scumbuddy claim third mason.
But this is all academic anyway. MeMe being masonscum would be vastly overpowering.
Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 5:21 am
by d8P
Oh that last was a delayed simulpost with Vis's of all things. Was told no connection was found or something.
Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 5:32 am
by Fishbulb
d8P wrote:I am aware that the only evidence of the mind control (which even involoved a vote for me :/) is Vis's testimony, but why would he have made up such a bizarre story? Perhaps you believe we planned our claim of blockercops from the very start?
I stated previously that I have reason to believe there is some sort of mind controlling going on. I haven't been targeted or anything, but my role mentions it in a way that definitely implies that they exist. So, as I said before, either VisMaior was targeted for mind control, or he is the mind controller himself. If he was the mind controller, why would he want to spread that around? Hence my leaning away from him for lynching. I am starting to think he is telling the truth.
Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 6:33 am
by mikeburnfire
If he was the mind controller, why would he want to spread that around?
So that when somebody accuses him of being the mind controller, he would say "If I was the mind controller, why would I mind control myself?"
...if he was the mind controller, of course.
I do not remember when you stated that your role implied a mind controller, but if it does then, within the legal bounds, can you give us any more specifics it could imply?
Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 6:37 am
by Fishbulb
Fishbulb wrote:CoolBot wrote:It occurs to me the only reason to believe we have a mind controller is VisMaior's word. No one claimed to be controlled Day 2, and we can't know about anyone cotrolled this day.
Sorry, I meant to comment on this before. While my role doesn't say that there is definitely a mind controller out there, it does hint at the possibility in a pretty direct way. So, I would assume that there is one, and that VisMaior is either telling the truth, or he is the mind controller, since he was first to mention it.
Basically it says that the Powersuit can defend against attacks
and
mind control. That's really it, so like i said, it doesn't say there is one definitely out there, but I'd be willing to bet there is.
Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 6:53 am
by mikeburnfire
Unvote: VisMaior
I still suspect him the most, but between what you've said, Fishbulb, and Vis' promise of a post-by-post analysis, I'll just lay off for now.
But there's also the nagging feeling that you complete the trifecta with Vis and d8p, so don't think I'm completely gullible.
Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 7:09 am
by Fishbulb
Where does that put davidangelsummers from your equation earlier?
Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 7:40 am
by CoolBot
I think it's Vis, DAS, and d8P. d8P only becuase he must be scum if Vis is. Both Vis & DAS are overstating the case that they confirm each other. They're failing to take in account that either one of them could be scum while the other is town, when you consider the possiblity of a mafia role blocker. So I think they are connected in some way, and since they're both acting pretty scummy, I think they are scum.
Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 8:36 am
by mikeburnfire
Fishbulb wrote:Where does that put davidangelsummers from your equation earlier?
My equation stands that if DAS=Scum, then Vis=scum, but that does not necessarily imply DAS=scum if Vis=scum.
Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 9:09 am
by d8P
Can you explain that again, for the slow, mike? I've looked at your posts and haven't found where you established it.
Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 9:25 am
by davidangelsummers
d8P wrote:Can you explain that again, for the slow, mike? I've looked at your posts and haven't found where you established it.
Should you not be asking Coolbot why hes with you one second and against you the next?