davidangelsummers (2): Coolbot, d8P
Not voting: davidangelsummers, Fishbulb, MeMe, mikeburnfire, VisMaior
You guys are doing great, but if you want a deadline to help things along I can certainly entertain that idea. Still takes FOUR to lynch.
I'm not sure how your logic works. I don't know how DAS's guilt clears you and have no idea why what you are saying even relates to Fishbulb.Either way Fishbulb is cleared! Also, if DAS bites the dust and is not the mindcontroller, that clears me and d8p. If he happens to be it, that does not clear us, but also does not incriminate us.
I dont get this. If we overestimate, (as in: there are 2 but we think there are 3) we have some "wiggle room"?If we overestimate the aliens, then we get some wiggle room if we're wrong. If we underestimate, then we've pretty much thrown the game if we're wrong.
Yeah, having four scum would make this game already over. -_-VisMaior wrote:IF d8p and myself were scum (we are tied pretty strong) and Fishbulb too, then DAS cannot be scum.
Unless it *Wasn't* used day one. The theory is that Vis pretended to be mind controlled if the mind controller was killed.d8P wrote:A one shot mind control? That's not very likely, though, considering it was used day one.
If Das is lying *about being Vigilante*, then Vis helped him."If DAS is lying, then Vis is lying". Huh? If DAS is lying about getting blocked, you mean. Then that would mean Vis would be lying about being blocker. Well, duh. Vis must be blocker (at least from my perspective), so DAS *was* blocked. DAS is scum, though, and lying about his role, whereas Vis isn't.
I don't buy that crap. Why would DAS announce he was blocked if he was scum? It doesn't make sense."He would not claim to be vigilante unless he had an alibi for his lack of results". Nonsense. DAS claimed to be a vigilante because we caught him out. Look at the sequence of events.
1. DAS announced he was blocked.
2. Vis claimed he did it.
3. MeMe says she was not told.
4. Vis claimed he blocked her, too.
So we knew DAS had a role he couldn't perform. What other role could he claim with the doc and (standard) cops gone? A one shot vig? I don't think so - he would have had to have a very good excuse for having used the shot to retaliate for a FoS he got in twilight. So he came up with vig to avoid being suspected as mindcontrolling scum.
No, my "proof" is based on the assumption that DAS isn't stupid enough to claim to be blocked and concede a power role offhandedly. Saying he would is an insult to his intelligence.Your "proof" uses speculation and argumentation from persoanl belief; how does that benefit the discussion in any way? If you're not part of the solution...
Huh? You say now that DAs is not scum? I tought your main argument against me was that "if das is lying, Vis is lying"....don't buy that crap. Why would DAS announce he was blocked if he was scum? It doesn't make sense
You keep repeating this but haven't backed it up at all. All Vis did was to say he was the one who blocked DAS.mikeburnfire wrote:If Das is lying *about being Vigilante*, then Vis helped him.
The morning after a kill was performed? I can only imagine you're being deliberately abstruse.mikeburnfire wrote:Why would DAS announce he was blocked if he was scum?
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I've already challenged this. DAS announced he was blocked after there was a kill, the implication being, no doubt, that he wasn't involved.mikeburnfire wrote:I don't buy that crap. Why would DAS announce he was blocked if he was scum? It doesn't make sense."He would not claim to be vigilante unless he had an alibi for his lack of results". Nonsense. DAS claimed to be a vigilante because we caught him out. Look at the sequence of events.
1. DAS announced he was blocked.
2. Vis claimed he did it.
3. MeMe says she was not told.
4. Vis claimed he blocked her, too.
So we knew DAS had a role he couldn't perform. What other role could he claim with the doc and (standard) cops gone? A one shot vig? I don't think so - he would have had to have a very good excuse for having used the shot to retaliate for a FoS he got in twilight. So he came up with vig to avoid being suspected as mindcontrolling scum.
No you made an assumption, took it as a conclusion and continue to ignore the fallacies on which it is based. Not only that but you've repeatedly tried to misrepresent the arguments against it. You've also implied that DAS would have to be stupid to be scum and play as he has and have twisted this around to mean I'm suggesting it. I am not.mikeburnfire wrote:No, my "proof" is based on the assumption that DAS isn't stupid enough to claim to be blocked and concede a power role offhandedly. Saying he would is an insult to his intelligence.Your "proof" uses speculation and argumentation from persoanl belief; how does that benefit the discussion in any way? If you're not part of the solution...
And my "proof" that you are scum comes from a logical deduction based on a chain of alliances, personal experience, knowledge exclusive to me, and common sense.
Maybe he genuinely wasn't.DAS announced he was blocked after there was a kill, the implication being, no doubt, that he wasn't involved.
But certainly you must agree that a scum would be stupid to claim vigilante with no proof.You've also implied that DAS would have to be stupid to be scum and play as he has and have twisted this around to mean I'm suggesting it. I am not.
I have *not* proven that Vis and DAS are lying. I have proven that YOU are lying and I suspect Vis to be your accomplis.You went from "Vis and DAS could be lying to mutually confirm each other's roles", to "I have proved that Vis And DAS are lying".
What do you mean by this? Vig is a good claim for scum since both roles kill.mikeburnfire wrote:But certainly you must agree that a scum would be stupid to claim vigilante with no proof.
You clearly dismiss the possibility, that if d8p is not scum, im not scum as well. Why? Because that would leave you as scum. What you are, I believe. My role is the easyest to prove while killing me could lead to scum winning. You are trying very hard to frame me. I have no choice but toThis is what I pressume:
MeMe is innocent
There is a roleblocker
There is a mind-controller
If Vis is scum, d8p is scum, because d8p's claim only works if Vis's claim works.