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Post Post #700 (ISO) » Thu Oct 25, 2007 10:43 am

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soupfly wrote:@patrick: since you are the only confirmed townie let me ask you this question. i've not loved ether's play but in the last couple of pages my stance on her has softened due to the fact that i see she's got kind of a quirky play style. my interpretation of her non-nonchalance and pithy postings may just be her play style. since it seems that you've played with her before can you give me a little insight here? what's your opinion of her? should we be concerned that she may be exploiting the fact that you two are "buds" to get her out of trouble? you're probably dead after tonight so any insight you can add in the waning hours of day 3 would be helpful.
Tricky. I mean, she is tricksy. As for style, this is fairly similar to how I've always seen her posting. I've played 3 games with Ether and each time we were both town. I'd recommend looking at either Face to Face Mafia in New York, or Lights Out 2 Mafia in Theme Park. Not the whole game obviously, but if you just isolate Ether's posts in either, you can judge for yourself. But I don't see a whole lot of difference. As for her pulling one over on me, well yeah, it's possible I'm afraid. But I honestly seen stronger cases against several other people.

Btw, I think you're town for what it's worth.
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Post Post #701 (ISO) » Thu Oct 25, 2007 5:58 pm

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Mexal wrote:I really don't see an Eldarad/Setael scum group.
Yet you find both of them individually to be scummy? Am I missing something?
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Post Post #702 (ISO) » Thu Oct 25, 2007 7:28 pm

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Ether wrote:Yeah...Setael's concern about the vig strongly suggests that she doesn't know him to be an assassin, and I don't see a traitor hurting both of its assassins at once as in the twilight 1 votecount.

Unvote. We lynch Eldarad
So what do you think you have proved with the Setael adventure? Because it seems like you're clearing Setael. How? Why?
Out of the two of us, it looks that you were bluffing with your Setael vote, not the other way round, and you've chickened out now that I've called your bluff. That's what it seems like from where I'm standing anyway.

If anything, Setael's concern could be as a result of her being scum and so knowing that mislynching me will result in her being vigged.
What makes you think that that scenario is unlikely? (Or at least more unlikely than me being town) You thought it was a serious possibility just 2 days ago.

Oh yeah, and you forgot to vote. :P
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Post Post #703 (ISO) » Thu Oct 25, 2007 11:21 pm

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d3sisted wrote:
Mexal wrote:I really don't see an Eldarad/Setael scum group.
Yet you find both of them individually to be scummy? Am I missing something?
Do you actually read the thread?

I'm beginning to think we should just lynch d3sisted.
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Post Post #704 (ISO) » Fri Oct 26, 2007 1:08 am

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Patrick wrote:Btw, I think you're town for what it's worth.
i'm of the same opinion!!! :)

Unvote: Ether
--> I'm gonna give ether the benefit of the doubt for today.

I need to think a little about where to place my vote with the deadline looming.
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Post Post #705 (ISO) » Fri Oct 26, 2007 1:23 am

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soupfly wrote:
Patrick wrote:Btw, I think you're town for what it's worth.
i'm of the same opinion!!! :)

Unvote: Ether
--> I'm gonna give ether the benefit of the doubt for today.

I need to think a little about where to place my vote with the deadline looming.
What new information has made you change your mind? I mean, earlier in this day (and yes, I understand earlier in this day could mean 4 weeks ago), you were pushing Ether very very hard. While I don't agree with you, I'd still love to know why you changed your mind.
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Post Post #706 (ISO) » Fri Oct 26, 2007 1:30 am

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Ether wrote:Mod: prod Rhapsody, please.
Mod, has she picked this up?

I think I can run with the eldarad lynch, and vig Setael if eldarad is town. If both of them turned out to be town I'd recommend a good hard look at desisted tomorrow.
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Post Post #707 (ISO) » Fri Oct 26, 2007 4:18 am

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Ok, all of you Townies out there put yourself in my shoes for a second. Now imagine that you're pretty confident Eldarad is scum. You don't know for a fact of course since the only people whose alignment you're sure about is yours and Patrick's. Then someone comes up with a plan to vig you if it turns out you are wrong and Eldarad comes up Town. Ask yourself how this makes you feel. Would you be willing to take that slim chance that the town will lose TWO townies? If you're right and Eldarad is scum at least they're only losing one townie (you) but you can't be sure of that. Would you say something, or just smile and agree to be vigged knowing it means the Town is vigging a townie?

If Eldarad is scum, I still think soupfly could be is partner. However, after this last page I could see rhapsody, d3sisted or maybe even Mexal though I would be shocked and feel like I'd been hosed if Mexal turns out to be scum. I don't think it could possibly be ether since she's turned the attention back to Eldarad when she could've pushed it toward me or d3sisted pretty easily. Almost impossible she's bussing.

If Eldarad comes up Town I don't blame anyone for suspecting me since I've thought he was scummy since my reread, but it's a mistake to vig me. First of all, in that case when day dawns we'll have lost THREE townies assuming one is also NK'd. If there's a vig, at least reread the thread before deciding. d3sisted will look just as bad to me if eldarad ends up coming up Town.

I am pretty confident eldarad will come up scum so if the vig decides to NK me at least we've only lost one townie (2 with the scum NK). I just think it's ridiculous to assume I'm scum because I'm not 100% absolutely positive about eldarad. The only way to be that positive is if I had insider info.
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Post Post #708 (ISO) » Fri Oct 26, 2007 7:04 am

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Mexal wrote:
soupfly wrote:
Patrick wrote:Btw, I think you're town for what it's worth.
i'm of the same opinion!!! :)

Unvote: Ether
--> I'm gonna give ether the benefit of the doubt for today.

I need to think a little about where to place my vote with the deadline looming.
What new information has made you change your mind? I mean, earlier in this day (and yes, I understand earlier in this day could mean 4 weeks ago), you were pushing Ether very very hard. While I don't agree with you, I'd still love to know why you changed your mind.
large parts of my feeling that she was scum are based on her play and response/nonresponse to the case against her. its in the last couple of pages that i've come to see that she has a somewhat quirky style and is prone to alot of off the cuff type of humor. i'm willing to concede that she may in fact have been kidding when she made the "good job" statement. also, her pithy replies to pressure against her may just be a playstyle thing. patrick confirmed that this is indeed her playstyle (see above) so for now i'm willing to look towards others.

i'm leaning towards setael as scum. though i can also see d3ssisted and even eldarad as possibilities. the detailed explanation of the case on eldarad (by patrick and mexal) gave me a little insight which the quick version missed. from a distance the case looks weak but when you look at the details (e.g.- the timing) i think there may be something there.

in any case, i did a reread of the last 10 pages and...

vote: setael


there's one thing i've noticed which i don't like at all. she tries to give the impression of doing scum hunting while always taking the easy and safe route.
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Post Post #709 (ISO) » Fri Oct 26, 2007 7:09 am

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soupfly wrote: in any case, i did a reread of the last 10 pages and...

vote: setael


there's one thing i've noticed which i don't like at all. she tries to give the impression of doing scum hunting while always taking the easy and safe route.
Yea, I see the same thing. The problem I'm having is I can go either way.

I think Eldarad is scum. I can see Setael as scum. Hell, I could see d3sisted as scum. I'd vote any of the three really to get a lynch.
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Post Post #710 (ISO) » Fri Oct 26, 2007 3:37 pm

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That was kind of the appeal of Eldarad/Setael. X_X

Seriously...look through the filter at Eldarad's opinions on D3sisted. They scream D3ssassin/Eldtraitor. My only qualm is that I'm not sure where I'd go if D3s was lynched and the game
didn't
end, so I'd feel more confident starting with Eldarad.

I love how Eldarad's quote cuts off my "and then we lynch Setael if he's town" part and goes on and on about how I'm letting Setael off the hook.
Post 707, Setael wrote:If you're right and Eldarad is scum at least they're only losing one townie (you) but you can't be sure of that.
Psst--Eldtraitor means D3svig. Eldssassin means Rhapvig.
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Post Post #711 (ISO) » Sat Oct 27, 2007 7:04 am

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Patrick wrote:
Ether wrote:Mod: prod Rhapsody, please.
Mod, has she picked this up?
No. Replacement request going into that thread in the place down there, you know, the place. Uh... now.
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Post Post #712 (ISO) » Sat Oct 27, 2007 8:56 pm

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Ether wrote:Seriously...look through the filter at Eldarad's opinions on D3sisted. They scream D3ssassin/Eldtraitor. My only qualm is that I'm not sure where I'd go if D3s was lynched and the game didn't end, so I'd feel more confident starting with Eldarad.
Explain, please. Which posts specifically make you feel this way, and why.
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Post Post #713 (ISO) » Sun Oct 28, 2007 8:19 pm

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can we have a vote count?
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Post Post #714 (ISO) » Mon Oct 29, 2007 3:48 am

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It's more what he
didn't
say. I've gotten the impression that Eldarad has lashed out to at least some degree against every vulnerable player in the game except you, and especially considering your conduct toward him, he's been out of character.
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In other news, let's say Eldstark, also Rhapvig (Eldcharrid, D3svig). At this point I'm iffy.

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Post Post #715 (ISO) » Mon Oct 29, 2007 5:08 am

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Ether wrote:It's more what he
didn't
say. I've gotten the impression that Eldarad has lashed out to at least some degree against every vulnerable player in the game except you, and especially considering your conduct toward him, he's been out of character.
Ouch. Although...why are you feeling vulnerable?
Nothing D3sisted has said has really bothered me, but that is largely because he hasn't said much. I've already said that I am bothered by the fact that I know nothing of his thoughts. That is the extent of my knowledge and opinion on D3sisted.
Ether wrote:In other news, let's say Eldstark, also Rhapvig (Eldcharrid, D3svig). At this point I'm iffy.
I don't understand how those two scenarios are different. Or why you're iffy.
Or why you've suddenly had an epiphany and now see Setael for the wonderful townie she really is...
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Post Post #716 (ISO) » Mon Oct 29, 2007 6:26 am

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Doing an unofficial votecount since I'm bored and it's needed.

eldarad (3) -- Mexal, Setael, d3sisted
Ether (1) -- Rhapsody
Setael (2) -- eldarad, soupfly

Not Voting: Patrick, Ether
8 alive, 5 to lynch.

I'll be voting eldarad very soon. I'll let Ether clarify the vig thing first.

I think Setael is scummy too, but there's still a chance soupfly is trying to protect eldarad, so I'm happier with an eldarad lynch.
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Post Post #717 (ISO) » Mon Oct 29, 2007 6:45 am

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Patrick wrote:I think Setael is scummy too, but there's still a chance soupfly is trying to protect eldarad, so I'm happier with an eldarad lynch.
I agree with the first two parts of that. But I think you've reached the wrong conclusion.
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Post Post #718 (ISO) » Mon Oct 29, 2007 7:58 am

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has eldarad claimed yet?
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Post Post #719 (ISO) » Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:05 am

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eldarad wrote:
patrick wrote:I think Setael is scummy too, but there's still a chance soupfly is trying to protect eldarad, so I'm happier with an eldarad lynch.
I agree with the first two parts of that. But I think you've reached the wrong conclusion.
Eldarad... it looks like you're saying you agree with the statement "There's still a chance soupfly is trying to protect eldarad."

Care to retract?
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Post Post #720 (ISO) » Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:11 am

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soupfly: yes I claimed weeks ago :shock:
I am a Grunt.

Setael: no.
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Post Post #721 (ISO) » Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:12 am

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Patrick wrote:I think Setael is scummy too, but there's still a chance soupfly is trying to protect eldarad, so I'm happier with an eldarad lynch.
if I were trying to protect eldarad then it would be out of desperation because he's an assassin and i'm only a traitor. however, if this is the case then i would have stuck with the ether counter lynch cause it had more support. and i'd probably be busy making a convincing case against setael so as to sway the deadline vote away from eldarad...cause otherwise its gameover! i'm doing neither so, unless you think i'm an assassin trying to save my useless traitor buddy, then sleep well knowing that we're not linked.

i'm voting who seems most scummy to me and atm that appears to be setael. while i can't say i support the eldarad lynch (setael and d3ssisted would be my choice there), i'm not uncomfortable with it either. i see the case against him now and its not bad. if you think he's scum then lynch him but don't do so cause you think i'm protecting him.
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Post Post #722 (ISO) » Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:17 am

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I don't particularly think you're protecting him. I do think he's scummy completely seperate from all that.
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Post Post #723 (ISO) » Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:17 am

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@Eldarad: Then please clarify what you DID mean by "I agree with the first two parts of that."
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Post Post #724 (ISO) » Tue Oct 30, 2007 3:56 am

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Acknowledge deadline. Still holding out in hopes of getting a replacement for Rhapsody up to speed. Will vote tomorrow.
Post 715, Eldarad wrote:Although...why are you feeling vulnerable?
I am not currently feeling vulnerable. I was previously a popular lynch candidate for reasons that I still don't comprehend, and I think it's fairly obvious that I recognized this. I think this question is pure mudflinging.
Post 715, Eldarad wrote:I don't understand how those two scenarios are different. Or why you're iffy.
Survey was missing and unreplaced. Like Soupfly on Night 2, he couldn't have gotten a choice in. A charrid can get a kill in instead (this is also true for Soupfly, who I don't really think is scum); Stark, not so much. I'm iffy about Eldstark/Rhapscum, and I hope you're not Stark, but she'd still be my first guess were you are.
Post 715, Eldarad wrote:Or why you've suddenly had an epiphany and now see Setael for the wonderful townie she really is...
Post 710, Ether wrote:I love how Eldarad's quote cuts off my "and then we lynch Setael if he's town" part and goes on and on about how I'm letting Setael off the hook.
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