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Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 1:37 am
by Not Known 15
Nauci chose to lurk out of the game, it seems. The game is getting more and more stale.
At this point continuing the day has not enough benefits, but it will just make town more lurky.
Let's end the day and hammer Thor.
Plan recap:
Thor scum-> I jailkeep Meji and Teacher tracks someone else. Those people are confirmed town when a kill happens.
Thor town-> I jailkeep someone and Teacher tracks someone.
If Thor is town and I die then focus on Meji Nauci and Flicker to get reads on them, but do not forget Oxy and the case of Thor on them. Follow Teacher and their leads.
Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 1:56 am
by Thor665
I'll point out that whoever opted to flip me to learn about Meji as opposed to flipping Meji opted to kill an active IC as opposed to a lurking nebbish nothing slot.
So, basically, if that wasn't Nk - consider whoever suggested that pivot *and whoever leapt at it quickly* to be good lynch options tomorrow also.
Hope you guys get better about tunneling, that's probably the biggest bad thing town is doing this game outside of the lurking (and, if certain slots are town, the not-reading
).
Hammer away.
Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 1:57 am
by Thor665
Also don't do this.
Question those reads.
He's not confirmed and his cases are dreck.
Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 3:06 am
by teacher
To be clear, I started and encouraged the Thor shift. I still feel good about the associational inference - that a town Thor implies a town Meji in a way that is not true in reverse.
But I very much acknowledge I could be wrong. I will just hope NK or I get a hit tonight if that is the case.
Hammer if you want Flicker, or wait for Nauci to contribute/replace.
Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 3:29 am
by Thor665
In post 703, teacher wrote:To be clear, I started and encouraged the Thor shift. I still feel good about the associational inference - that a town Thor implies a town Meji in a way that is not true in reverse.
How?
Who are my other theory partners vs. Meji's exactly?
Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 3:30 am
by Thor665
Frankly, Meji i splaying my lynch like a scum who doesn't want to touch a terrible wagon.
Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 3:43 am
by teacher
To provide just one example, Elephant. There are others.
Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 3:50 am
by teacher
In post 693, Thor665 wrote:If I had to randomly guess now I'd hazard a Nauci, Flicker, or you.
Adding this to my scumcase on Thor. Because I find this list of Oxy's possible partners pretty terrible for including Flicker. I dont see Oxy's hard scumming and voting of Flicker (162, 163, 169, 261, 404, 409, 448, 613) as distancing. And it started too early to bus.
I concede that I am a possible partner, except for knowing my role. And Nauci is also possible, but again a less unlikely given her prominence in Oxy's 353 and 448. This is why Oxy is the towniest in my PoE pool.
Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 3:53 am
by Oxy
Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 3:53 am
by Oxy
Let's GO
Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 3:55 am
by Thor665
Your theory being that I would townread my partner and not vote him (Elephant) or scum read my partner and not vote him (Meji) so...basically you have almost the entire playerbase to choose from.
Why are you not ruling out people who vote me? You seem to be ruling out people who vote Meji, so...?
Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 3:58 am
by teacher
In post 710, Thor665 wrote:Why are you not ruling out people who vote me? You seem to be ruling out people who vote Meji, so...?
(A) He hasnt voted you, so your premise is wrong. (B) I am not ruling out people based on votes (for Meji or you), but I find it less likely.
Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 3:59 am
by Thor665
A) Never said he did, but you also said there are others, so...that would put a big hole in possible candidates.
B) What system are you using to rule out everyone else but me for Meji then?
Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 4:01 am
by Thor665
In post 707, teacher wrote: In post 693, Thor665 wrote:If I had to randomly guess now I'd hazard a Nauci, Flicker, or you.
Adding this to my scumcase on Thor. Because I find this list of Oxy's possible partners pretty terrible for including Flicker. I dont see Oxy's hard scumming and voting of Flicker (162, 163, 169, 261, 404, 409, 448, 613) as distancing. And it started too early to bus.
I concede that I am a possible partner, except for knowing my role. And Nauci is also possible, but again a less unlikely given her prominence in Oxy's 353 and 448. This is why Oxy is the towniest in my PoE pool.
"Adding this to the scumcase on Thor - when I asked him for an opinion, he said it wasn't something he fcused on but answered, and I agree with two of his answers but disagree with one - so SCUM CASE, DERPA-DERP!"
Hope you are scum.
If you're not - get better than this - you're soooo tunneled it's obnoxious.
Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 4:03 am
by Thor665
Frankly, from my interactions with NK and Elephant - I think a good teaching lesson here is; there's a difference between someone saying something that is scummy, and someone saying something you disagree with.
Please try to take that one to heart.
Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 4:07 am
by Flicker
I want to give Nauci 24 hours after
the prod to post something substantial or replace before hammering. That's less than an hour from now. Y'all could try to relax until then.
Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 4:25 am
by teacher
FMPOV, Meji's only other possible possible in Nauci. Your other possibile partners are Nauci, Elephant, Flicker.
Im not tunnelled into you. I have said I find Meji scummier standing alone. I just think flipping you advances the game more for town.
Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 4:26 am
by Not Known 15
In post 715, Flicker wrote:I want to give Nauci 24 hours after
the prod to post something substantial or replace before hammering. That's less than an hour from now. Y'all could try to relax until then.
A replacement will not help us right now. In fact avoiding the replacement by hammering right now would probably be the better idea.
This would allow Nauci to get more time to catch up. If that doesn't happen next day they can be replaced and enough time will be left. But a replacement is always bad.
Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 4:34 am
by Thor665
In post 716, teacher wrote:FMPOV, Meji's only other possible possible in Nauci. Your other possibile partners are Nauci, Elephant, Flicker.
If Meji has a possible partner of Flicker how does flipping me town help clear Meji?
If it doesn't - then what's the logic behind flipping me first exactly?
In post 716, teacher wrote:Im not tunnelled into you. I have said I find Meji scummier standing alone. I just think flipping you advances the game more for town.
I agree that you claim to find Meji scummier while going out of your way to vote me and call everything I do scummy.
::shrug::
I call that tunneled - you can call it whatever you like.
Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 4:38 am
by teacher
In post 718, Thor665 wrote:If Meji has a possible partner of Flicker how does flipping me town help clear Meji?
Explain to me why Flicker would L-2 her partner, or hold off hammering you here if this was a partnership. Because Im not buying.
Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 4:40 am
by teacher
In post 717, Not Known 15 wrote: In post 715, Flicker wrote:I want to give Nauci 24 hours after
the prod to post something substantial or replace before hammering. That's less than an hour from now. Y'all could try to relax until then.
A replacement will not help us right now. In fact avoiding the replacement by hammering right now would probably be the better idea.
This would allow Nauci to get more time to catch up. If that doesn't happen next day they can be replaced and enough time will be left. But a replacement is always bad.
I disagree. Replacements read through games and see things we missed. Plus, Nauci's lurking has left a pretty big gap in the remainer of the game assuming Thor flips town. Id like to get substantive info from the spot which is why I called for a delayed hammer to begin with. But I also dont want people losing interest, which is why I indicated its up to Flicker. Flicker, FMPOV, do what you will when you want.
Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 4:49 am
by Thor665
In post 719, teacher wrote: In post 718, Thor665 wrote:If Meji has a possible partner of Flicker how does flipping me town help clear Meji?
Explain to me why Flicker would L-2 her partner, or hold off hammering you here if this was a partnership. Because Im not buying.
I fail to see holding off hammering me as something either town or scum would be unwilling to do - can you explain why you think town would delay and scum would run slavering towards the option of a mislynch?
In your world where you don't think scum vote each other - yeah, I agree, L-2 is a thing.
In my world where scum happily vote each other all the time, I don't think the vote looked all that impressive, and Flicker has actually been less content to vote me, which suggests that if I'm town it would make Meji more likely scum due to the difference in attitude.
So you're thinking Flicker *isn't* Meji's partner anymore?
Or are you just ducking my question of if Meji/Flicker is a thing it defeats the entire silly idea of lynching me to clear Meji your stronger scumread?
Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 4:50 am
by Thor665
Lynching me first when I know for a fact scum tried to kill me last night makes a ton of sense for scum.
Just saying.
Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 4:53 am
by Flicker
Alright, my deadline has passed.
VOTE: Thor665
That's hammer, and it's now twilight. Good luck, y'all.
Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 4:58 am
by teacher
In post 721, Thor665 wrote:So you're thinking Flicker *isn't* Meji's partner anymore?
Or are you just ducking my question of if Meji/Flicker is a thing it defeats the entire silly idea of lynching me to clear Meji your stronger scumread?
Not ducking your question. If I ever thought Meji-Flicker were a thing, I would agree that I should lynch Meji. But I never did, and I still dont, think Meji-Flicker could be a team. (reasons include 136, 265, and 574 and the next paragraph)
Since Meji is the alternative lynch to you, I would expect a hammer. Especially since I have stated that town you clears her scum partner in my point of view. So I am pointing out that I find the team you have proposed is even more incredible now than it was before.