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Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 12:01 pm
by Hectic
In post 693, skitter30 wrote:and usually the most townread person there holds hammer, and in my experience, that often tends to me (it wasn't me like .... twice i want to say? ever?) esp because i take forever to vote in lylo and usually other people vote before me and so i get conftowned by default
Doesn't that assume that neither of the other two vote for you?
You're saying that in most situations when you're in LyLo, the other two vote for each other?
You some kind of fucking mind controller?
Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 12:03 pm
by Hectic
Give some reasons for your scumread of me other than being wrong about the previous two lynches.
Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 12:04 pm
by skitter30
In post 700, Hectic wrote:You're saying that in most situations when you're in LyLo, the other two vote for each other?
yep
i've been voted in 3way exactly twice, and i was vla both times it happens (and the last time was like .... a year and a half ago)
i'm really fucking hard to mislynch, and i dont' lose lylos when i'm around and can argue things because i'm *good* at making myself obvtown
when i'm scum that's an entirely different story
also i take forever to vote and tend to rearead the whole game so usually people make up their mind well before i do
Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 12:06 pm
by skitter30
i mean the fact that your pushes have been awful is a preetty central part to the read
and i'm pretty sure aaron is town like i've said so ...
Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 12:06 pm
by Hectic
In post 702, skitter30 wrote: In post 700, Hectic wrote:You're saying that in most situations when you're in LyLo, the other two vote for each other?
yep
i've been voted in 3way exactly twice, and i was vla both times it happens (and the last time was like .... a year and a half ago)
i'm really fucking hard to mislynch, and i dont' lose lylos when i'm around and can argue things because i'm *good* at making myself obvtown
when i'm scum that's an entirely different story
also i take forever to vote and tend to rearead the whole game so usually people make up their mind well before i do
Fucking hell.
Well, I'm looking forward to this then.
How would you be playing differently as scum right now?
Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 12:07 pm
by skitter30
uh i wouldn't be posting in real time like this
i can't as scum, i tend to be very methodolical and over think things way too much, i get nervous posting in real time
like this convo wouldn't be happening if i were scum
Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 12:08 pm
by skitter30
yep
idk why scum let me get this far, it usually doesn't end well for them
Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 12:08 pm
by AaronFrost
In post 693, skitter30 wrote:at that point both of you were townreading and i've been in enough p similar endagames to know how they usually play out - if we lynch right today the town in {spam/tchill} dies, and tomorrow it'll be you/me/hecitic
and usually the most townread person there holds hammer, and in my experience, that often tends to me (it wasn't me like .... twice i want to say? ever?) esp because i take forever to vote in lylo and usually other people vote before me and so i get conftowned by default
and so if we get it right today i wanted to be proactive about starting on trying to figure out tomorrow
Wouldn't this be objectively not true though? You've been hard townreading me since early in Day 1, so from your point of view, 9/10 times you're gonna vote for Hectic here.
This also implies that the exact scenario you mentioned is going to play out the same way here (me and Hectic voting each other with you being the deciding vote).
Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 12:09 pm
by Hectic
In post 703, skitter30 wrote:i mean the fact that your pushes have been awful is a preetty central part to the read
and i'm pretty sure aaron is town like i've said so ...
Didn't you fucking agree with the Elements one?
And yeah, the Reaper one was shit, but I didn't want to lynch him at the time Azure hammered.
Despite my tone, I wasn't sure about him whatsoever and was pushing him to try and solve him.
Though his replacing out made me him a lot more fucking scummy.
So what are the non-central reasons of the read?
Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 12:09 pm
by skitter30
i know so i want to make sure i'm not missing anything about town!hectic, i like to do my due diligence before i vote
Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 12:11 pm
by skitter30
In post 708, Hectic wrote: In post 703, skitter30 wrote:i mean the fact that your pushes have been awful is a preetty central part to the read
and i'm pretty sure aaron is town like i've said so ...
Didn't you fucking agree with the Elements one?
And yeah, the Reaper one was shit, but I didn't want to lynch him at the time Azure hammered.
Despite my tone, I wasn't sure about him whatsoever and was pushing him to try and solve him.
Though his replacing out made me him a lot more fucking scummy.
So what are the non-central reasons of the read?
bad tone, overconfidence, dislike your reaction to the cc
be back in a few min; i'm cooking rn
Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 12:12 pm
by Hectic
In post 705, skitter30 wrote:uh i wouldn't be posting in real time like this
i can't as scum, i tend to be very methodolical and over think things way too much, i get nervous posting in real time
like this convo wouldn't be happening if i were scum
Interesting. Link your most recent scum game for me?
Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 12:13 pm
by skitter30
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=80641
finished friday ^
was in 3way lylo
notice how i completely froze up
Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 12:13 pm
by Hectic
In post 710, skitter30 wrote: In post 708, Hectic wrote: In post 703, skitter30 wrote:i mean the fact that your pushes have been awful is a preetty central part to the read
and i'm pretty sure aaron is town like i've said so ...
Didn't you fucking agree with the Elements one?
And yeah, the Reaper one was shit, but I didn't want to lynch him at the time Azure hammered.
Despite my tone, I wasn't sure about him whatsoever and was pushing him to try and solve him.
Though his replacing out made me him a lot more fucking scummy.
So what are the non-central reasons of the read?
bad tone, overconfidence, dislike your reaction to the cc
be back in a few min; i'm cooking rn
What's wrong with my tone?
What about my reaction do you dislike?
Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 12:14 pm
by skitter30
spam was even in that one
idk how he can seriously think i'm scum here
Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 12:15 pm
by AaronFrost
Most people were on board with lynching Elements honestly.
I need to read through that game I played with Hectic in the Newbie queue. His tone feels different here than in that game I played with him where he was town.
skitter's meta seems consistent with her town play but a couple of the things she's said today have rubbed me the wrong way.
I'm still 50/50.
Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 12:15 pm
by skitter30
In post 713, Hectic wrote: In post 710, skitter30 wrote: In post 708, Hectic wrote: In post 703, skitter30 wrote:i mean the fact that your pushes have been awful is a preetty central part to the read
and i'm pretty sure aaron is town like i've said so ...
Didn't you fucking agree with the Elements one?
And yeah, the Reaper one was shit, but I didn't want to lynch him at the time Azure hammered.
Despite my tone, I wasn't sure about him whatsoever and was pushing him to try and solve him.
Though his replacing out made me him a lot more fucking scummy.
So what are the non-central reasons of the read?
bad tone, overconfidence, dislike your reaction to the cc
be back in a few min; i'm cooking rn
What's wrong with my tone?
What about my reaction do you dislike?
idk i'm bad at articulating why tone's bad, it just feels weird and wrong
it felt like you were hedging on spam/tchill
Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 12:15 pm
by skitter30
hey someone who's actually played with you agrees with me
Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 12:16 pm
by skitter30
*agrees with me on tone
Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 12:19 pm
by Hectic
Well, yeah, my tone's vastly different from that game, Aaron.
That's fucking intentional lol
Are you actually unsure about it being different?
Found some interesting stuff in that game, skitter. Link me the most recent one where you were town and got mislynched in LyLo.
Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 12:22 pm
by skitter30
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=76365
^ may (june?) 2018, like two posting style changes ago
lylo started on the last day of finals week and i hadn't slept in a week and i said wait like i day so i can sleep after finals and they lynched me before i could do anything
Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 12:22 pm
by AaronFrost
You strike me as the kind of person who changes their playstyle from game to game on purpose to make yourself harder to read.
Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 12:23 pm
by skitter30
In post 719, Hectic wrote:Well, yeah, my tone's vastly different from that game, Aaron.
That's fucking intentional lol
Are you actually unsure about it being different?
Found some interesting stuff in that game, skitter. Link me the most recent one where you were town and got mislynched in LyLo.
i mean ... so what i should be doing with teh fact that your tone is weird here ... ?
why is your tone different?
also i've been in like at least 8 or 9 lylos since that game i think (i haven't counted them out but like .... many)
Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 12:23 pm
by skitter30
In post 721, AaronFrost wrote:You strike me as the kind of person who changes their playstyle from game to game on purpose to make yourself harder to read.
this is not at all a thing i do
Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 12:25 pm
by AaronFrost
I've only been in one LyLo prior to this and I completely fucked it up and got myself mislynched on Day 4. So that was cool.
PEDIT: That was directed towards Hectic.