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Ugh, you know I get that a lot but still don't understand it? How is my style "compromising of my town game in favor of being more effective as scum"?

To be fair, I'm a relatively skilled scum player, but I attribute that mostly to my activity and very much NOT to me being unwilling to share all of my reads all of the time.

↑ VisceraEyes wrote:Ugh, you know I get that a lot but still don't understand it? How is my style "compromising of my town game in favor of being more effective as scum"?

To be fair, I'm a relatively skilled scum player, but I attribute that mostly to my activity and very much NOT to me being unwilling to share all of my reads all of the time.

As town, there are some things I feel it's beneficial to be transparent about. My reads are one of those things. Maybe if my reads generally sucked I'd feel different about posting them for future game days. Not saying your reads suck. Saying my reads are usually one of the better things I bring to the table, though I'm still evaluating if that translates here at MS.

I'm transparent with my thought-process rather than my reads. If you disagree with my thought-process that's fair and often if my view isn't shared I'll look elsewhere and provide thoughts as I have them, but frankly I think z7 is the best lynch right now and I'd like to focus on getting him lynched.

I understand what you're saying - but for my part I get paranoid about scum manipulating my perspective.

Like for instance, Rev came in and disagreed with my view - but because he provided no thought-process behind his disagreement, I ignored it and stayed the course. If he'd explained why he thinks I'm wrong and I found I agreed, perhaps I'd be more inclined to look into HIS targets, for example. It's why I'd like YOU to look into Z7 FF because I feel like you'll put in due diligence and give me your honest thoughts.

Tackling Fropome first. I'm not going to delve much into his earlier posts. Suffice it to say that I'd come away from them with a slight town-lean overall

324 - had a mental note about this one earlier, that depending on how things went from this point, Fropome and Deras might not be scum together. OTOH I think I've impressed on Fropome the folly of being too distant from scum mates in prior games elsewhere.

329 - somewhat self-referential of me, but I'm mostly focused on his comments about me. I thought his play in this game showed some unexpected evolution. The last time we played together it took some serious pro-town results from me before he had enough of a town read to work with me (he was vig and he went after my scum reads), and even then he had his moments of full-blown paranoia. He's put a lot of thought into his game since then. I expected changes. His aggressiveness in FoSing/voting GM was something I expected to eventually see in his game. Just not this soon.

446 - probably a timing/who's around thing, but during his return to the game he interacted pretty heavily with me compared to other players. As the one player in the game with prior experience'/knowledge of his play (He's played 2 games I've modded and we've played 3 games together besides this one), if he's scum, my getting a town read would be pretty important to his survival. OTOH interacting with someone you know could be easier no matter what your role.


451 looks townish, unvoting. OTOH the GM wagon didn't look like it was going anywhere at that point, so why not?

Z7-852, with some focus on his interactions with me (because I pushed him for reactions a few times), as well as more general stuff.

637 - comments that I push too aggressively and it looks opportunistic wrt AA9. (agreeing with AA9, who was pegged out on his scumometer or w/e.

639 - I push back, say I am aggressive player, and more so when I get my dander up.

644 - backs off completely. avoiding confrontation?

In reread, I'm noticing in several of these posts that the scumometer isn't changing based on his comments. Particularly noticeable with the
goodmorning vote, since he had 2 players down as more scummy than her.

Summaries make it easy to avoid direct interaction. It's all one-off and 3rd person. While everyone does summary-style posts occasionally, to stick with summaries exclusively completely shuts down the info that you gather (and scatter) via conversational mode.

Actually, I thought I had pushed back more than once. Need to iso my own posts and see if something didn't get a response.

ah...655 - he didn't reference me directly, but did unvote.

A little over 2 days now.

Come on guys, we need to talk.

I'm trying to figure out what 729-732 add up to.

I haven't filled in the blank yet, though I think it's pretty clear that doesn't add up to a strong town read.

So I guess it becomes a question of whether you feel more strongly about the present bandwagon or the bandwagon GM and I are pushing.

As I said, I'm willing to consolidate on AA just to get a lynch, so don't factor in no-lynching as a possibility.

Oh and I just noticed I replaced into SE spot XD I haven't played here in months but I think I still qualify.

↑ VisceraEyes wrote:So I guess it becomes a question of whether you feel more strongly about the present bandwagon or the bandwagon GM and I are pushing.

As I said, I'm willing to consolidate on AA just to get a lynch, so don't factor in no-lynching as a possibility.

This is not a good time for no-lynch. We'd be flushing much of the info we could derive from D1 bandwagon analysis. I'm having a hard time letting go of my townish impression of Fropome despite Z7's slippage. But, let's see what develops.

VOTE: Z7-852

AA said she'd vote but didn't. Here's hoping a little added support makes the prospect more attractive.

↑ Revenus wrote:Fropome was town, and z7 is town, try again.


Content with my vote on Viscera, especially since now he's not giving out any reads on players besides z7.

Please just keep an open mind here. What are YOUR thoughts on Z7? Conversely, who would you like me to comment on? You say you're content with your vote on me but you're alone (I think) and deadline is coming up. Besides me, who isn't going to get lynched if I can help it, who would you like to see lynched?

EBWOP
Conversely should probably read Alternatively, but whatever.

Is his vote on me lazy or scummy? Does anyone know Rev better than I do?

This is my first game with him. GM's referenced his play in other games. So has Eye, but he made it pretty clear it was from reading old games. I think this is Eye's first MS game.

That said, I got a sad-shamed-town feel from Carey's last couple posts before he replaced out. It would take something significant to shake that impression this game day.

↑ fferyllt wrote:My scum game is way weaker than my town game. And my town game is difficult to emulate as scum. I'd say 4. Factor in that I'm a harsh self-critic.

this seems like you're pushing your town meta on us!! why?

↑ VisceraEyes wrote:AA said she'd vote but didn't. Here's hoping a little added support makes the prospect more attractive.

I said i would which I will do it at any point of time i wish.
I feel it is the right time to put pressure on Z7 to give actuall content to game than just repeating bits and pieces of others stories as his..
VOTE: Unvote
VOTE: Z7-852

↑ ArcAngel9 wrote:this seems like you're pushing your town meta on us!! why?

because I was asked.

I wouldn't have you vote any time other than when you wish - my hope was that you wished to do so before I was forced to consolidate on AA

^ then you must link the games that you played as both Scum and Town. Meta is something not to be self explained.

↑ ArcAngel9 wrote:^ then you must link the games that you played as both Scum and Town. Meta is something not to be self explained.

this was meant for fferyllt