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Post Post #75 (ISO) » Fri Feb 27, 2009 2:44 am

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I do have comments and such on this game, but I think it is best to still wait on Mizz.Mafia to make a post/response since being put at L-1 and there is no reason to distract from that.

Technically, I think claiming in at 3 pages isn't the best, and would rather at least a post/response by Mizz.mafia without a claim (ok, I am just going to say Miz from now on) and then depending on how that goes, ask for claim, etc.

If for some reason you guys want my opinion before Mizz responds to all of this, let me know.

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Post Post #76 (ISO) » Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:48 am

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... kill me, i dare you.

and i may not be involved in the game as much as you guys want me too? ill just be replaced then ;) haha.

sigh~ mafia scum maybe to much for me. so i quit? fun game guys. cyaaahh~
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Post Post #77 (ISO) » Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:54 am

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Actually, a replacement would work well. Especially if you don't think mafia is the game for you, though could you formally ask the mod for a replacement? Until then I don't think he will do it as you still seem uncertain.
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Post Post #78 (ISO) » Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:56 am

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i already did... man u guys make me feel like crying. i cant do this.. T-T too harsh >_<
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Post Post #79 (ISO) » Fri Feb 27, 2009 11:11 am

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huh. ...

I never pay attention to the "join date" so when you said nuwen is 'hating' on you due to other game, I kind of assumed you had more experience or actually knew each other/was messing around (since I do see other "older" players do that) and not actually just 'new' to the site.

I hope you don't take it personal and realize that this is just a game. I don't think they were really trying to 'quicklynch'/'railroad' you but just get information/reaction out of you.

So... maybe doing a newbie game which is 'slower' and such may be a better experience for you.

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Post Post #80 (ISO) » Fri Feb 27, 2009 11:18 am

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Just so you know that Nuwen, mizzmafia, and myself are all a part of mini 749 as well as this one.
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Post Post #81 (ISO) » Fri Feb 27, 2009 11:43 am

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I understand that. I personally don't hold this situation or anything against you guys. It most likely would have happened eventually anyway and it is good/better to get it over with now instead of later.

I just think we should consider that we do actually have a few players (MissRin, Seamus, Shadowknight and such) who joined this month. In Shadowknight's case (sigh, i want to nickname you SK but that can be so misleading), he has experience on another website but I don't know about MissRin or Seamus. I assumed that this as a 'mini' would have more experienced players (and I would prefer) but... well... I would prefer the "newer" (Feb, past 3 weeksish) players to say whether they are just new to this website or new to mafia in general and whether you are committed to staying in this game.

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Post Post #82 (ISO) » Fri Feb 27, 2009 1:03 pm

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Corvuus wrote:I do have comments and such on this game, but I think it is best to still wait on Mizz.Mafia to make a post/response since being put at L-1 and there is no reason to distract from that.
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Post Post #83 (ISO) » Fri Feb 27, 2009 1:42 pm

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Mizz.Mafia also responded similarly in her other game, so (unless this is all a huge prank of some sort), I expect her to be replaced by the mod. I made my comment so we could move on from this.

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As for the comments, short version: I assumed it wasn't a 'serious' page 3 lynch attempt, just getting reactions and while I could have pointed out various flaws and such in reasoning (example, Seamus2008 hasn't posted for six days-ish and joined in feb. and yet people held that Mizz.Mafia was even more useless/deserving a vote without mentioning Seamus.... which actually may be valid since Seamus might just be lurky while Mizz posted several times with no content), etc. I did want to see Mizz's response first before doing any FoS, comments, etc. so I could get a read on her.

I guess I believe that town is better off trying to focus and not 'jump' after every possible thing, and I saw the intent as "getting out of random vote stage/meta talk" and 'producing information/reaction via wagon'. Either way, it does show the type of people we are playing with.

I tend to get over-wordy/verbose, so I think I will currently leave it at that and wait for other players to respond/check in.

I would like to hear what you think tho, Shan.

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Post Post #84 (ISO) » Fri Feb 27, 2009 2:32 pm

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Corvuus, I agree with what you are saying, but you tend to draw out your posting into "circular arguments." (The definition of a circular argument is "saying the same thing over and over without getting anywhere new.") You don't say the same thing over and over, but you attempt to cover all your bases when you make a point. Sometimes this is necessary, but you need to be more precise when you type. For example, you could have just said in post 83:

(example, Seamus2008 hasn't posted for six days-ish and joined in feb. People are saying that Mizz was useless, but never mentioned Seamus...). Of course, Seamus could be lurky.


Maybe I'm being overly picky, but I don't like drawn-out writing. Concise is better if you get your point across.



On-topic, I don't believe Mizz is faking/not being serious. The best thing happened: she realized she was in-over-her-head and asked for replacement. Perhaps now we can look to other topics that will help the game.

I would appreciate it if players like Seamus checked in soon. We are missing 1/4 of our players at the moment.

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unvote: Mizz.Mafia
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Post Post #85 (ISO) » Fri Feb 27, 2009 3:03 pm

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Aww.. what a waste of a perfectly good bandwagon. Guess it wasnt the dating service mizzmafia thought it would be. Oh well
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Post Post #86 (ISO) » Fri Feb 27, 2009 10:07 pm

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JDodge wrote:Note: Unv sigma t epsilons will
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be counted as unvotes.
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Corvuus wrote:I would prefer the "newer" (Feb, past 3 weeksish) players to say whether they are just new to this website or new to mafia in general and whether you are committed to staying in this game.
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í sαч nєÃ­thєr. í plαч вσth fαcєвσσk mαfíα, єpícmαfíα, αnd rєαl lífє mαfíα. í вєlíєvє í αm αlrєαdч wєll ínfσrmєd σf hσw thє gαmє wσrks.
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Post Post #87 (ISO) » Sat Feb 28, 2009 2:38 am

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@MissRin- *please* change your font. That is honestly making my eyes water.
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Post Post #88 (ISO) » Sat Feb 28, 2009 7:08 am

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my intention isn't to 'kick' you out of this game or anything.

You joined Feb.12th, so I believe you could have just said, "I'm relatively new to this particular site, but i play facebook mafia, epic mafia, and real life mafia. I am committed to staying in this game". or perhaps it is just a new name for an already experienced player, I don't know.

Either way, I would be satisfied and move on if you say you are committed to staying in this game. The only person I really want an answer from at this point is Seamus2008 since he hasn't posted for about a week and he is also 'newish'.

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Post Post #89 (ISO) » Sat Feb 28, 2009 11:00 am

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freeko wrote:Aww.. what a waste of a perfectly good bandwagon. Guess it wasnt the dating service mizzmafia thought it would be. Oh well
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A waste? In what way?

I feel mizz.mafia is no more likely to be mafia than the next person, tbh, and I'm glad she's being replaced. I doubt that we'll get anything from seamus, new players who disappear tend to go more or less permanently.
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Post Post #90 (ISO) » Sat Feb 28, 2009 11:49 am

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Master Ruck wrote:I believe it's called a pressure vote. It has the express purpose of making the votee question the vote in some manner that will lead to some form of discussion and considering he also voted you because you were giving nothing of content, the goal would hopefully be achieved. Basically, stop larking about and get to work.
I'd just like to point out that coining a vote "a pressure vote" neuters it of any capability to pressure. It wasn't intentional, but try not to decrease the gravity of votes.

Corvuus wrote: As for the comments, short version: I assumed it wasn't a 'serious' page 3 lynch attempt, just getting reactions and while I could have pointed out various flaws and such in reasoning (example, Seamus2008 hasn't posted for six days-ish and joined in feb. and yet people held that Mizz.Mafia was even more useless/deserving a vote without mentioning Seamus.... which actually may be valid since Seamus might just be lurky while Mizz posted several times with no content), etc. I did want to see Mizz's response first before doing any FoS, comments, etc. so I could get a read on her.
I've found that standard lurking isn't a tell, scummy or townish. Rather than pressure silent lurkers with votes, it's better to get them replaced and grill the replacement for a read. Informed decision > probability-based policy lynch.

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lurking is a different beast, which is why MizzMittenzafia stood out. Players who post irrelevant, spurious crap can detract away from the game - at the very least, active lurkers have proved they are able to contribute to a game's direction, but choose not to.

A page three lynch on a valley girl would have been nifty. :(
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Post Post #91 (ISO) » Sat Feb 28, 2009 11:54 am

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Hi guys. Sorry for the inactivity. I've been busy for the last week and I'm not a lurker. Oh and
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Post Post #92 (ISO) » Sat Feb 28, 2009 4:18 pm

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Sorry guys, I've been sick - I'll get to this game tomorrow night. I do have a replacement lined up for Mizz.Mafia already IIRC.
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Post Post #93 (ISO) » Sun Mar 01, 2009 5:47 pm

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Shanba wrote: Artem - do you think Slicey's interpretation is a valid one?
Artem wrote: FoS: Slicey for terrible reasons. Look at her last post. She's not giving up. She doesn't understand what others are accusing her of.
In hindsight, she is giving up, but I still say the post I referred to as "last" has been mis-interpreted to put somebody at L-1.
Corvuus wrote: I do have comments and such on this game, but I think it is best to still wait on Mizz.Mafia to make a post/response since being put at L-1 and there is no reason to distract from that.
I'm going to ask you what I usually ask when somebody says "We don't need to get distracted from X". What makes you think we can't consider two subjects at once?
Nuwen wrote: I'd just like to point out that coining a vote "a pressure vote" neuters it of any capability to pressure. It wasn't intentional, but try not to decrease the gravity of votes.
This statement comes up in many games but it's not true. I will flat out admit that I'm pressure-voting freeko right now, but I still expect him to address his poor reasons for a L-2 vote.
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Post Post #94 (ISO) » Sun Mar 01, 2009 7:12 pm

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Well, I am in a snarky kind of mood, so I'd ask you "what makes you think that I was saying that we can't consider two subjects at once?"

Mizz.Mafia getting to L-1 in 3 pages was the most interesting thing happening and we could get reads/information from it (from her and others) but apparently you would prefer if i went back to RVS or meta discussion and just started spouting some random nonsense so that we could talk about something 'other' than Mizz.Mafia?

I was considering Slicey's comments, voting/reasoning more but I figured that if I point out the sheer unlikely hood of Mizz.Mafia getting lynched, etc. then Mizz may read it, and then not react or produce information (thus wasting a L-1 wagon) and if I point out and make a case on Slicey (or in your case Freeko) then Mizzy could have just gone 'afk-lurkerish' and wait for the 'wagoners' to go look off at someone else and it is a 'bleh' no information gained/waste of time feeling, etc.

I.e. If there is a bandwagon going that has a good shot at producing info/getting reads, then there isn't much point to me going off on my own.

I favor a
Vote Slicey
for a response on the reasoning behind his vote as you pointed out in post#69. Mizz didn't "give up". She either didn't understand or she was intentionally being difficult. Either way, "giving up" doesn't make sense in the context. He also hasn't said anything further since.

Since you did say you are 'pressure-voting' freeko, I don't see how you could possibly think that you might gain *more* information than if you had simply asked him for a explanation for a L-2 vote. But hey, if my FoS can help get a response out of freeko, then
FoS Freeko
so we get an explanation.

I'd probably also FoS Dean Harper since I extremely dislike it when players answer questions for other players, but that is just my personal preference. I could say more about others, activity and such, but I kind of assumed that people were waiting on mod replacing Mizz.Mafia, etc.

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Post Post #95 (ISO) » Mon Mar 02, 2009 8:02 am

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** some parts contain blatant sarcasm ** You are warned.

It was a "welcome gift" to mizzmafia. She seemed more interested in turing this into some sideshow where everyone bows down at the 400 pound fat guy who is trying to be a woman (or insert random conspiracy theory here). Irreguardless mizzmafia was not interestd in playing the game, and only served to cause a diversion. That was the reason for the vote. I made it clear that it was a shape up or ship out situation. mizzmafia clearly chose to ship out. That is enough for me. Hopefully I can actually try to get some manner of read on the game now that the sideshow is mostly over with at this point.
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Post Post #96 (ISO) » Mon Mar 02, 2009 8:43 am

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Corvuus wrote: Mizz.Mafia getting to L-1 in 3 pages was the most interesting thing happening and we could get reads/information from it (from her and others) but apparently you would prefer if i went back to RVS or meta discussion and just started spouting some random nonsense so that we could talk about something 'other' than Mizz.Mafia?
You're putting words in my mouth. I didn't ask you to go back to RVS/meta discussion. My comment implied that we can consider what you have to say
in addition
to the Mizz.Mafia discussion, where as you seem to think that your comments would be focused on
instead
of the Mizz.Mafia discussion, as suggested by your statement here:
Cor wrote: I do have comments and such on this game, but I think it is best to still wait on Mizz.Mafia to make a post/response since being put at L-1 and there is no reason to distract from that.
You seem to think that your comment would somehow "distract" from the Mizz.Mafia discussion, which is what makes me think that "you were saying that we can't consider two subjects at once".

However, the rest of 94 renders this argument somewhat moot now.
Cor wrote: I was considering Slicey's comments, voting/reasoning more but I figured that if I point out the sheer unlikely hood of Mizz.Mafia getting lynched, etc. then Mizz may read it, and then not react or produce information (thus wasting a L-1 wagon) and if I point out and make a case on Slicey (or in your case Freeko) then Mizzy could have just gone 'afk-lurkerish' and wait for the 'wagoners' to go look off at someone else and it is a 'bleh' no information gained/waste of time feeling, etc.
Except the information that several players were holding their breath for was the claim, requested by Master Ruck. I don't think that risking a potential newb-town inadvertently revealing their role is a good thing.
Cor wrote: Since you did say you are 'pressure-voting' freeko, I don't see how you could possibly think that you might gain *more* information than if you had simply asked him for a explanation for a L-2 vote. But hey, if my FoS can help get a response out of freeko, then FoS Freeko so we get an explanation.
I don't expect to gain "more" information. I was demonstrating a point to Nuwen that admitting a vote is a pressure-vote does not detract from its usefulness.
freeko wrote: It was a "welcome gift" to mizzmafia. She seemed more interested in turing this into some sideshow where everyone bows down at the 400 pound fat guy who is trying to be a woman (or insert random conspiracy theory here). Irreguardless mizzmafia was not interestd in playing the game, and only served to cause a diversion. That was the reason for the vote. I made it clear that it was a shape up or ship out situation. mizzmafia clearly chose to ship out. That is enough for me. Hopefully I can actually try to get some manner of read on the game now that the sideshow is mostly over with at this point.
Except from your reasons it's not clear what shape up or ship out refers to. You never say anything about a sideshow. Not only that, you even admit that you don't believe Mizz.Mafia to be scum:
freeko wrote: I think im down with this wagon. Seems like the place to be. If nothing else then Mizz.Mafia will get a trial by fire on learning how to play the game. I dont like quantifying a vote for someoen who I dont think is scum, but I think at the least you will not be pro-town in the way you act. Guess it all boils down to shape up or ship out.
The way I'm reading this is you seeing (knowing?) Mizz.Mafia to be town, but playing poorly. So, you take it upon yourself to teach them a lesson by contributing to their running out of town? Your "seems like the place to be" means that you know others will see MM's play as anti-town and likely to support the wagon you so happily hopped on.
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Post Post #97 (ISO) » Mon Mar 02, 2009 8:56 am

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Ok, for those of you that have the intelligence of a pea, and by that I mean Artem and anyone else who questions my vote. This applies to any and all of you.

This is how it boils down.

Shape Up = Actually contribute to the game in a constructive manner. The vote gets removed and the game continues on. Of course if the game progresses and mizzmafia showed signs of scumminess I would have revoted. blablablah.

Ship out = get lynched, replaced, or whatever. I really dont care which when you are going to be as unproductive and distracting as mizzmafia was. At least a replacement will offer up something hopefully relevant to the game. Maybe its just me but if someone is not going to play the game then GTFO. I personally cant stand crap like that, it just aggrivates me to no end.

I voted because mizzmafia needed to know RIGHT THEN AND THERE that this is a game and not some dating service or who knows what. It seems I should have used the blatant sarcasm tag on that vote. Though the message was anything but serious and rather blunt and direct, I did not want it to look like a joke at all. But who cares, mission accomplished with that vote as far as I care. mizzmafia is out and hopefully the game is back in.
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Post Post #98 (ISO) » Mon Mar 02, 2009 9:54 am

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Artem: I don't want to get in a nitpicking war with you so I think I will just leave it at that. The only additional comment I would make is that in my post where I was 'waiting for a reaction/response from Mizz, I did say that I was not in favor of hearing a claim from her precisely because if she happened to be something and then 'spill the beans' on page 3, then town takes a hit for something easily avoidable.

I'd be ok with a vote/FoS on Master Ruck for post #68 because of this, but at least Master Ruck is posting so it can be brought up later while Slicey can (and should) be brought up now due to vote/comments and his last post is from the 26th.

So now that you've gotten 'a' response from freeko, can we get some pressure on Slicey?

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Post Post #99 (ISO) » Mon Mar 02, 2009 1:44 pm

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@freeko: If all you wanted to do was remove a player that's not contributing to the game, then please explain this:
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freeko wrote:Aww.. what a waste of a perfectly good bandwagon. Guess it wasnt the dating service mizzmafia thought it would be. Oh well
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A waste? In what way?
and this:
freeko wrote: I should prolly OMGUS you, just to get someone off L-1 this early in the game.
@Corvuus: Slicey is being replaced in another game I'm in. My guess is he's dropping the ball on his mafia games.
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