Mini 1251 - Hitchhiker's Mafia - Game Over

[farside22]

Top of Page Vote Count
3 - Umbrage (Isa, TheFool, The Rufflig)
2 - farside22 (benoni, Quaroath)
2 - Quaroath (Lunitawolf, Isa)
2 - TheFool (farside22, Unknown)
1 - hasdgfas (Umbrage)
1 - Lunitawolf (The Rufflig)
1 - Lupus Vega (hasdgfas)
1 - sorgster (farside22)
1 - Unknown (Umbrage)

Not Voting (3) - André, Lupus Vega, sorgster

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to be blunt. Sorgster has 3 post, confirming, RVS and then unvoting all while saying nothing else at all.
Under the radar and offering nothing to the game. My vote stands till he says something more.

[Quaroath]

Anyone who wants me to take them seriously can do me the common courtesy of spelling my name correctly

To be clear I don't care about the first two pages at this stage of the game, if you don't like it... Tough shit. hint: the key there was "at this stage of the game"

That said, cow pretty much laid out why it bothered me, itfwlt like a wagon test but wasn't reading like a wagon test, if that makes any sense

[Quaroath]

Oh yes.

unvote

srzbiznez time.

[Unknown]

@Unknown: I'm a stickler when people use my reasoning to case a vote, is there anything you can add, your own thoughts on what was said and how you think of what cow, TR, Qua or anyone has stated so far?

Cow's insistance that he wanted Umbrage lynched seemed to be to be either a joke, or baseless if true. I doubted he actually had any reasoning, and those on the bandwagon all appeared to be joining it because it was RVS. Everyhing else that had been brought up looked insignificant at the time. Your vote was the most valid point raised, so I voted with it.

I had no unique thoughts that hadn't already been said regarding TheFool. Either his vote was serious because he believed cow's claim, or his vote was random and he wanted to get on the biggest bandwagon. His vote indicates the latter, however he later claimed it was serious. His explanation makes sense to me though so,

Unvote: TheFool
Vote: The Rufflig

You claim to have had reasoning behind voting Umbrage, so why did you vote LunitaWolf at the same time? Surely if you have a serious vote you don't also need a random vote?

[sorgster]

Vote Hasdg

He has been trying to get someone lynched right away from rvs with no reason to.

[The Rufflig]

UNVOTE: Umbrage -- The wagon fizzling before it ever got anywhere puzzles/worries me a bit, but there is little substance here.
VOTE: sorgster -- Welcome to the game. Participation is mandatory while you are with us.

I don't believe in the case on The Fool. His explanations seem spot on with the condition of the game at the times. I'll also note that The Fool's title says 'goon' - as in this toon is not a veteran on this site. I'm not sure if he didn't realize that cow's vote couldn't be anything except a policy lynch or attempting to run up an early wagon or if he just didn't know that he should express such thoughts clearly, but I don't attribute any scummy vibes to The Fool at this time. Rather, I believe that he is being smeared by the scum. My eye is upon those attacking The Fool.

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Brownie points for noticing that I hadn't explained my other vote. Lunita was the first person who didn't get on the Umbrage wagon. A weak point but it also let me remind everyone that we have two votes by making a double vote.

[farside22]

@TheRuffling: I forgot we had two votes till you did that.

@Sorgster: Please explain in bright, vibrate details what you mean.

[Andr├®]

Oh wow, I didn't even know up to then that we could vote twice.

Vote Hasdg

He has been trying to get someone lynched right away from rvs with no reason to.

You were asked to contribute something to the game, but you didn't. Hasdgfas has already stated why he started the wagon, and I don't believe you have any sort of strong case against him.

vote: sorgster

. Start contributing something meaningful with your posts. Posts and post counts don't mean shit unless you actually contribute something.

UNVOTE: Umbrage -- The wagon fizzling before it ever got anywhere puzzles/worries me a bit, but there is little substance here.
VOTE: sorgster -- Welcome to the game. Participation is mandatory while you are with us.

I don't believe in the case on The Fool. His explanations seem spot on with the condition of the game at the times. I'll also note that The Fool's title says 'goon' - as in this toon is not a veteran on this site. I'm not sure if he didn't realize that cow's vote couldn't be anything except a policy lynch or attempting to run up an early wagon or if he just didn't know that he should express such thoughts clearly, but I don't attribute any scummy vibes to The Fool at this time. Rather, I believe that he is being smeared by the scum. My eye is upon those attacking The Fool.

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Brownie points for noticing that I hadn't explained my other vote. Lunita was the first person who didn't get on the Umbrage wagon. A weak point but it also let me remind everyone that we have two votes by making a double vote.

Other than sorgster, who do are you suspicious of?

Right...

Well, I suppose it's as good a reason as any, at this stage. Oh, and before I forget:

UNVOTE: LunitaWolf

As we're out of RVS.

This doesn't fly with me either.

vote: Lupus Vega

You can't just unvote your random vote and not say anything. It's obvious we are out of RVS; however, you failed to take another step and talk about your thoughts on the current state of the game. As with sorgster, you come off as a person who posts just to make a post.

[The Rufflig]

The sorgster vote is more of a pressure vote and an expression of my dislike of lurkers rather than my finding him scummy. Afterall, he really has to say or do something first for me to find him scummy. Don't get me wrong though, I am willing to lynch lurkers early days if there is little else to go on.

As to The Fool issue:
Isa: was the first to comment about The Fool's explanations for his vote. Isa merely noted it, but didn't make a big deal out of it. I've not assigned any suspicion to Isa based off it.
Farside: picked up the ball and made a case of it. I'm uneasy with his reasoning here and he is one of the people I've got my eye on.
Unknown: shamelessly sheeped Farside. Threw up some red flags - then I noticed his title 'townsperson' <-- newbie. So, mixed feelings here - I'm not sure - definitely keeping an eye on.
Andre: jumped in on things next - added a little. I don't quite get a 'me too' vibe from him, so I'm just keeping an eye on him.
benoni: I gave him a couple townie points for not finding The Fool's explanations sufficiently scummy.

[Umbrage]

UNVOTE: hasdgfas

@ The Rufflig: I'm about 97% sure Unknown is an alt. About 72% sure that it's part of the game.

[hasdgfas]

@Hasdgfas (your name is hard to type!) Why the interest in a town game of Umbrage's?

A) You can use "hascow" or "cow" for my name if you like. It's easier to type
B) I was interested in looking for differences from the scum game of his that I modded

vote: sorgster

because his vote on me smells of "trying to look town".

[farside22]

Farside: picked up the ball and made a case of it. I'm uneasy with

his

her reasoning here and he is one of the people I've got my eye on.

Fixed.
Like what? I like to have details please.
Also I have had a moment when I read Andrea and I didn't like him. I still don't. His play reminds me of many a scum I run across that ask tons of questions that go no where. I have an eye on him at the moment.

@Unknown: What about TheFool's explanation made sense?

@Umbrage: Why do you think Unknown is an alt? I had the impression with Unknowns last post he may be an alt, but it's more gut with me then anything.

[Andr├®]

@farside22: I believe you mean André, not Andrea. Anyways, I do ask a lot of questions, but they are not without purpose. In a 13 player game with not very much activity, I'm trying to do my best analyse posts and ask questions directed at those who posted them. Judging by their responses, I'm trying to get reads on them and extract some info from them. I wish not for D1 to drag out with town not being able to make a decision due to a lack info. Yes, it's only P4, but it doesn't hurt to start early.

[farside22]

@Andre: Have you got anything with all those questions you asked? any opinion based on those questions?

[TheFool]

What do you think of Umbrage and his response to the wagon?

Seems reasonable enough, given the lack of pressure. I'm not sure what you're getting at though; what about my play so far is scummy?

Right...

Well, I suppose it's as good a reason as any, at this stage. Oh, and before I forget:

UNVOTE: LunitaWolf

As we're out of RVS.

And? Thoughts, suspicions, reads?

Oh yes.

unvote

srzbiznez time.

Same as above, let's have some actual srzbiznez time.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Lupus VegaVOTE: Quaroath

I have a sneaking suspicion that sorgster is town; stronger town read on Rufflig.

[imaginality]

Day One: Vote Count #3

4 - sorgster (farside22, The Rufflig, André, hasdgfas)
3 - Lupus Vega (hasdgfas, André, TheFool)
3 - Quaroath (Lunitawolf, Isa, TheFool)
1 - farside22 (benoni)
1 - hasdgfas (sorgster)
1 - Lunitawolf (The Rufflig)
1 - TheFool (farside22)
1 - The Rufflig (Unknown)
1 - Umbrage (Isa)
1 - Unknown (Umbrage)

Not voting - 0

With

13

alive, it takes

7 votes

to lynch. Deadline is (expired on 2011-10-18 02:00:00) away.

It is a mistake to think that you can solve any major problems just with potatoes.

Edit: Vote count corrected.

[benoni]

VOTE: sorgster.

I have a sneaking suspicion that sorgster is town; stronger town read on Rufflig.

Can you explain this?

I think people are on Sorgster's case is not just because he's lurking, but when people call for him to come out of the woodwork, he shows up, is like 'bleh I'll vote someone obvious', then disappears again. It's all very stimulus-response.

[farside22]

Seems reasonable enough, given the lack of pressure. I'm not sure what you're getting at though; what about my play so far is scummy?

Just don't like when people change their reasons for voting. It always comes off as someone making shit up.

I have a sneaking suspicion that sorgster is town; stronger town read on Rufflig.

Why? All 3 have provided the same crap post. Why is he special?

[Lunitawolf]

A) You can use "hascow" or "cow" for my name if you like. It's easier to type

Thanks. Much appreciated.

I have a sneaking suspicion that sorgster is town

@Fool What is giving you a town read on Sorgster? I can understand you saying you have a null read, but not a town one...

Vote Hasdg

He has been trying to get someone lynched right away from rvs with no reason to.

I don't like his reasoning for his vote. Hascow out of the gate moved to get us out of RVS and into the heart of the game which is pro-town.

I also don't like the active lurking, and there are too many of them out there. I don't know if they're lurky scum or lazy town, but either way it's anti-town and we need an end to it so that we can get some reads.

I'll add my second vote to Sorgster.
VOTE: Sorgster

@EVERYONE ON THE SORGSTER WAGON ... you should be adding your second vote to Qua or explaining why you're not.

I think people are on Sorgster's case is not just because he's lurking, but when people call for him to come out of the woodwork, he shows up, is like 'bleh I'll vote someone obvious', then disappears again. It's all very stimulus-response.

Qua is doing the same thing only worse, because all he's done in response to my probing is unvote his random vote, say it's serious business time, but then he disappears without a serious vote or comment of any kind.

[Isa]

SORGSTER IS NOW AT L-1.

I am not willing to hammer at this point but had he not been at L-1 I'd put my vote on him.
UNVOTE: Umbrage No point in keeping my vote here.

Meanwhile, TheFool, mind explaining why you have "a sneaking suspicion that sorgster is town"?

[Isa]

Also, because I am a major supporter of sheeping when I feel that nothing needs to be added, VOTE: Lupus Vega for exactly the same reasons André and Cow gave.

Mod: Umbrage is not voting Lupus Vega.

Thanks. I've corrected that vote count now.

[TheFool]

Sorgster town read is mostly gut; lurky play with half-assed vote seems more newbish than scummy. The speed of his wagon makes me think there's a scum push in it, especially since similarly lurky play on other fronts goes relatively unnoticed.

I think people are on Sorgster's case is not just because he's lurking, but when people call for him to come out of the woodwork, he shows up, is like 'bleh I'll vote someone obvious', then disappears again. It's all very stimulus-response.

Yes, but is there scum-motivation there?

[sorgster]

To earn town points. A townie gets lynched you can say, see I told you I got a gut feeling.

[TheFool]

Er, I meant your play.

Do you find me suspicious for thinking you're town?

[Isa]

Sorgster, do you understand that you are at L-1, why and what that means for you?