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Post Post #75 (ISO) » Sun Nov 04, 2007 7:14 am

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Waldo:1 Mafia:0

vote: Nightfall
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Post Post #76 (ISO) » Sun Nov 04, 2007 7:19 am

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Also,
mathcam wrote:Waterboy: If you think Albert is Nightfall's scumbuddy, it would make more sense to vote for Nightfall.
This does not make me feel good about you, mathcam.
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Post Post #77 (ISO) » Sun Nov 04, 2007 7:29 am

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wow, crazy.

@waldo: I don't agree with mathcam being scummy because of that post.

I think I'm going to investigate Albert's posts in order to see if there is any interesting information. That was friggin fast though, I'm inclined to believe it was planned by the mafia. Not sure what they would gain, but there must be a reason behind him attacking someone so quick.
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Post Post #78 (ISO) » Sun Nov 04, 2007 7:39 am

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Miztef wrote:@waldo: I don't agree with mathcam being scummy because of that post.
That's okay. Nobody agreed with me when I said Albert was scummy either.

Albert's posts said nothing about anybody except for the THREE times he tried to get us to ease off the Nightfall bandwagon.
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Post Post #79 (ISO) » Sun Nov 04, 2007 8:18 am

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WaterboyWaldo wrote:
Miztef wrote:@waldo: I don't agree with mathcam being scummy because of that post.
That's okay. Nobody agreed with me when I said Albert was scummy either.

Albert's posts said nothing about anybody except for the THREE times he tried to get us to ease off the Nightfall bandwagon.
maybe that's a trick to get us to lynch nightfall? Actually, it seems to me that your suspicion of albert, then him killing himself (essentially), and then you pointing out he was only attacking nightfall.

My impression is that nightfall just happened to be an easy target. Albert told his scum beforehand that he'll defend a town that looks scummy, and then sacrifice himself (possibly getting in a free kill or 2). His scum would then vote against the townie he was defending, and it wouldn't look at all suspicious because he was defending that town player in the first place.

I know it's a little farfetched, but I think some people can admit that it's all too convenient for Waldo to push the nightfall lynch at this time.

I'm gonna
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Post Post #80 (ISO) » Sun Nov 04, 2007 8:19 am

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Yeah, and maybe he just died trying to target me for a kill.


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about Arcs 3rd vote on me
Archaist wrote:
Nightfall wrote:Hey Mafia.... Kill me.... Now.... I order you.....
He's probably trying to imply that he is Town and the Mafia should try to kill him so they die themselves... but no Mafia would fall for that and it's a terrible and scummy way of trying to say you're Town.
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Are you B.s.ing me?

Im trying to imply Im town and the mafia should target me so they die themselves?.... yes thats it, Im trying to show the mafia that they will die if they target me so they better hurry up and do it.

Lets say for a sec I am townie and not mason, maybe the dead scum just fell for it. it would make sense to me. If I thought someone was a mason and everyone was bussing him, I would buddy up with him and then try and off him. That way I could say all that "see! what the hell where you guys thinking?" stuff when he turned out mason. And in that situation it would make the scum appear even more townlike.

3rdly, it's a scummy way of trying to imply I am town? How so? I am making a challenge to the scum, a game of chicken between the 4 (now 3) of them and me. maybe Im a townie trying to challenge the scum by myself, maybe I have mason friends and we thought it best for one of us to stick our neck out and see how willing/eager/daring the scum were to strike.
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Post Post #81 (ISO) » Sun Nov 04, 2007 8:22 am

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I'm inclined to believe it was planned by the mafia. Not sure what they would gain, but there must be a reason behind him attacking someone so quick.
Albert seemed to have thought fairly carefully about the game -- I suspect he just thought he had a very strong read on someone being particularly mason-y. I can't imagine it would ever be in the mafia's best interest to commit suicide. It's likely that the mafia agreed that as soon as someone (maybe Albert in particular) found a sufficiently likely target, they'd go for it.

WaterBoy: My post that you quote had nothing to do with how suspicious I found either of them, only that if you thought they were both scum, it didn't make much sense to start a separate bandwagon, given how we're trying to keep information loss at a minimum.

One new thing in Nightfall's defense: It's possible Albert took a gamble on the kill because he figured that if it went through, it might look like Nightfall's last-ditch attempt at killing someone before he got lynched. Maybe this isn't so likely since he was only at 4 out of 7 (ish), but it's worth thinking about.

(Post-preview edit: I see other people have mentioned this as well.)

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Post Post #82 (ISO) » Sun Nov 04, 2007 8:23 am

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Yeah, and maybe he just died trying to target me for a kill.
This was in reply to waldos post 78.

P.S. theory... I am believed to be the one targeted. scum think Im townie because their scum friend dies, and waldo tries to bus me thinking that he can quickly get rid of another protown member.
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Post Post #83 (ISO) » Sun Nov 04, 2007 8:28 am

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Nightfall: First of all, do you realize you just claimed to not be a mason by saying that you "think the scum targeted you"? You realize how much that hurts the town, if in fact you are town?

Secondly, why would a scum target you, when it looks like you're heading for a lynch anyway?

Nightfall's flailing, and he's not acting in a pro-town way either. He's trying too hard to look like a townie, when a real townie would try hard to keep everyone guessing about if he's a mason or a townie.
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Post Post #84 (ISO) » Sun Nov 04, 2007 8:48 am

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Exactly, Yos. Why the hell would Albert kill Nightfall, when he was the most likely to be killed today? It's more likely that he targetted me, since *I* was the one who was nailing scum left and right.
Miztef wrote:I know it's a little farfetched, but I think some people can admit that it's all too convenient for Waldo to push the nightfall lynch at this time.
I've been pushing for his lynch since before Albert's death, I just didn't want to rush the day. In fact, I still don't want to lynch Nightfall until MoS checks in, but the fact is that we should lynch Nightfall today.
mathcam wrote:WaterBoy: My post that you quote had nothing to do with how suspicious I found either of them, only that if you thought they were both scum, it didn't make much sense to start a separate bandwagon, given how we're trying to keep information loss at a minimum.
I understand that, and if Nightfall turns out to be scum, then I can put your comment behind me. However, if Nightfall turns out to be town, then I hope you understand why I suspect you.
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Post Post #85 (ISO) » Sun Nov 04, 2007 9:05 am

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WaterboyWaldo wrote:It's more likely that he targetted me, since *I* was the one who was nailing scum left and right.
...everyone, can we please stop making this kind of comment?
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Post Post #86 (ISO) » Sun Nov 04, 2007 9:11 am

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WaterboyWaldo wrote:Albert's posts said nothing about anybody except for the THREE times he tried to get us to ease off the Nightfall bandwagon.
I think this is a very good point, but other than that I didn't get much out of re-reading ABR's posts, and I don't think we should be speculating about who ABR may or may not have targeted, that kind of information can only help the Mafia.
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Post Post #87 (ISO) » Sun Nov 04, 2007 9:25 am

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mathcam wrote:
I'm inclined to believe it was planned by the mafia. Not sure what they would gain, but there must be a reason behind him attacking someone so quick.
Albert seemed to have thought fairly carefully about the game -- I suspect he just thought he had a very strong read on someone being particularly mason-y. I can't imagine it would ever be in the mafia's best interest to commit suicide. It's likely that the mafia agreed that as soon as someone (maybe Albert in particular) found a sufficiently likely target, they'd go for it.
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I suppose you are correct, although, knowing Albert's play from other games, he tends to care little about sacrificing himself early. I do believe there was someone he thought likely mason, but I also believe he had planned to attempt a early kill in order to cause confusion with his posts.

As Yosarian has mentioned before me (and mathcam), please do NOT imply if you are mason or townie!

As Archaist has stated, there should also be no more talk about who to Albert may (or may not) have targeted, it helps the scum more then Town.

I am not happy with everyone wishing Nightfall to be lynched. Albert is not one to use his only posts to defend a scumbuddy. Hell, no good scum would. I don't even see all that much evidence against Nightfall in the first place.
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Post Post #88 (ISO) » Sun Nov 04, 2007 10:14 am

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mathcam wrote:Albert seemed to have thought fairly carefully about the game
Albert died 3 hours after he made his first post of the game, so I tend to disagree.
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Post Post #89 (ISO) » Sun Nov 04, 2007 10:20 am

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Miztef wrote: I am not happy with everyone wishing Nightfall to be lynched. Albert is not one to use his only posts to defend a scumbuddy. Hell, no good scum would.
First of all, this isn't a normal game -- choosing to defend someone or not defend someone is a vastly different process than in a typical game. Second, they weren't outright defenses, but rather subtle pushes away from pursuing Nightfall. I don't know Albert well, but I wouldn't call his interaction with Nightfall poor scum play if they are indeed scum together (at least, not if he thought he'd be alive for a while, which I expect he did).

Nightfall is not a mason, and he has the following quote above:
Nightfall wrote: Im trying to imply Im town and the mafia should target me so they die themselves?.... yes thats it, Im trying to show the mafia that they will die if they target me so they better hurry up and do it.
Thick with sarcasm, this seems to imply that he's claiming he's not town either. I think he's mafia trying his hardest to say what he thinks a clever townie would do, but he's getting tripped up in the process.

Waldo: Heh -- Okay, well at least about the mechanics of the game. He obviously thought about what things a townie/mason should be concerned about revealing, etc.

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Post Post #90 (ISO) » Sun Nov 04, 2007 10:28 am

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Yosarian2 wrote:Nightfall: First of all, do you realize you just claimed to not be a mason by saying that you "think the scum targeted you"? You realize how much that hurts the town, if in fact you are town?

Secondly, why would a scum target you, when it looks like you're heading for a lynch anyway?

Nightfall's flailing, and he's not acting in a pro-town way either. He's trying too hard to look like a townie, when a real townie would try hard to keep everyone guessing about if he's a mason or a townie.
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1. I didn't claim to not be a mason. I said something more along the lines of not ruling out the
possibility
that I could be a townie and could have been the one targeted which resulted in the mafias death.

2. Just how close was I to a lynch when scum made their attack? How many people were defending me or saying that I wasnt acting overly scummy? I think at that point I was further from a lynch than you realize.
Also I think that a mason being offed by scum, would have given scum much more to work with than if I were to be lynched.

3. I'm flailing? I am trying to keep people guessing whether or not I am townie or mason. I never said that I was FOR SURE that I was a townie and the one that was targeted. I implied that it could have been a possibility. maybe I am a townie, and scum wrongfully targeted me, or maybe I'm mason and they didn't target me at all thankfully.
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Post Post #91 (ISO) » Sun Nov 04, 2007 10:29 am

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Wow. Came on and saw Rampage committed suiced basically. O well. Good news in that.


Waldo-I have to agree with mathcam that he did have a plan. Maybe there's some kind of code the mafia have of who there going to try to kill??? I'll have to go back and look and check.

And also-like its been said, don't claim town/mason, and don't say you think rampage tried to kill you.
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Post Post #92 (ISO) » Sun Nov 04, 2007 10:34 am

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mathcam wrote:

Nightfall is not a mason, and he has the following quote above:
Nightfall wrote: Im trying to imply Im town and the mafia should target me so they die themselves?.... yes thats it, Im trying to show the mafia that they will die if they target me so they better hurry up and do it.
Thick with sarcasm, this seems to imply that he's claiming he's not town either. I think he's mafia trying his hardest to say what he thinks a clever townie would do, but he's getting tripped up in the process.


Yes that snipit of my post was very sarcastic, but did you not read what it was that I was responding to?

How is it claiming that I am not town? Im trying hard to say what a clever townie would do? Maybe I am a clever townie or a clever mason, who knows, but you seem to be awfully willing to give me the short end of the stick and label me as a mafia member just pretending to be these things... why is that?
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Post Post #93 (ISO) » Sun Nov 04, 2007 11:06 am

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Yosarian wrote:...everyone, can we please stop making this kind of comment?
Anarchist wrote:I don't think we should be speculating about who ABR may or may not have targeted, that kind of information can only help the Mafia.
Miztef wrote:As Yosarian has mentioned before me (and mathcam), please do NOT imply if you are mason or townie!
tyhess wrote:And also-like its been said, don't claim town/mason, and don't say you think rampage tried to kill you.
I'm a townie. What are you? Keep in mind that
Waldo wrote:anybody who claims Mason will get my vote.
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Nightfall wrote:you seem to be awfully willing to give me the short end of the stick and label me as a mafia member just pretending to be these things... why is that?
Enough defense. How about you tell us who
you
suspect so we have an easier time finding your scumbuddies?
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Post Post #94 (ISO) » Sun Nov 04, 2007 11:09 am

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Wow your the funny one....
I think you arc and math should be looked at.
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Post Post #95 (ISO) » Sun Nov 04, 2007 11:13 am

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So there's probably a third scum between Mathcam and Arcaist....

I appreciate the info.
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Post Post #96 (ISO) » Sun Nov 04, 2007 11:30 am

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VC#1

5 Nightfall(Archaist, Mathcam, Tyhess, WaterboyWaldo, Yosarian2)
1 Thyess(Eteocles

6 votes will lynch.
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Post Post #97 (ISO) » Sun Nov 04, 2007 11:31 am

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WaterboyWaldo wrote:So there's probably a third scum between Mathcam and Arcaist....

I appreciate the info.
I'm more likely to believe all 3 but ok, your welcome....
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Post Post #98 (ISO) » Sun Nov 04, 2007 11:56 am

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There's something to be said for the fact that Nightfall is at lynch-1, that he's posted since this fact was posted by the mod, and there have been no kill attempts. He also didn't point this fact out, which I think he might have done if he were mafia.

Unvote: Nightfall
until we think that point through.

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Post Post #99 (ISO) » Sun Nov 04, 2007 11:58 am

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Nightfall wrote: 1. I didn't claim to not be a mason. I said something more along the lines of not ruling out the
possibility
that I could be a townie and could have been the one targeted which resulted in the mafias death.
It sounded to me like said, several times, in different ways, that you thought he targeted you. As Albert obveously did not target a mason, yeah, I took that to be a "not-mason" claim.
Nightfall wrote: Yeah, and maybe he just died trying to target me for a kill.
Nightfall wrote: P.S. theory... I am believed to be the one targeted. scum think Im townie because their scum friend dies, and waldo tries to bus me thinking that he can quickly get rid of another protown member.
So, yeah. It really sounds like you're trying to push the "Albert targeted me" theory, and that would imply you're semi-claiming townie here. Not good.
2. Just how close was I to a lynch when scum made their attack? How many people were defending me or saying that I wasnt acting overly scummy? I think at that point I was further from a lynch than you realize.
Also I think that a mason being offed by scum, would have given scum much more to work with than if I were to be lynched.
(shrug) You were (and are) the main bandwagon. 3 votes, Waldo supporting the wagon while not on it. And of course Albert wasn't on your wagon at that point.

I guess I just think that I'd expect a scum to either try to lynch you, or at least pressure you farther and see who would defend you or whatever, then take a potshot like that. Then again, it is Albert, so who knows what he'd do, heh.

I guess I just wouldn't expect any scum to try to take a risk like that while you were the main wagon and therefore might get lynched anyway. Honestly, it seems more likely that he might have been your scumbuddy and been trying to save you, by trying to kill off one of the people on your wagon or by trying to create a distraction or something.
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