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Post Post #75 (ISO) » Mon Dec 10, 2007 12:17 pm

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Nabakov wrote:In terms of actually playing the game, I propose that we treat L-2 as we would L-1. Who knows what unpredictable punishments/modkills could change the # to lynch?
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Post Post #76 (ISO) » Mon Dec 10, 2007 2:08 pm

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I agree with yos2

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Post Post #77 (ISO) » Mon Dec 10, 2007 3:37 pm

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Yosarian2 wrote:
Draux wrote:Guys, I suggest we start looking for Scum instead of trying to figure out these Rules.
No reason we can't do both.
As always, Yosarian2 is right. But really, Kabenon's last post was just far too ambiguous for us to be able to conclude anything. Also I need a clarification here, is random Voting over yet? Getting scowled for Unvoting my random Vote woke me up from something.
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Post Post #78 (ISO) » Tue Dec 11, 2007 9:31 pm

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Draux wrote:
Yosarian2 wrote:
Draux wrote:Guys, I suggest we start looking for Scum instead of trying to figure out these Rules.
No reason we can't do both.
As always, Yosarian2 is right. But really, Kabenon's last post was just far too ambiguous for us to be able to conclude anything. Also I need a clarification here, is random Voting over yet? Getting scowled for Unvoting my random Vote woke me up from something.
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Post Post #79 (ISO) » Tue Dec 11, 2007 9:33 pm

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Post Post #80 (ISO) » Wed Dec 12, 2007 12:28 am

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Iono. You might have.
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Post Post #81 (ISO) » Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:33 pm

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The Fonz wrote:
Draux wrote:
Yosarian2 wrote:
Draux wrote:Guys, I suggest we start looking for Scum instead of trying to figure out these Rules.
No reason we can't do both.
As always, Yosarian2 is right. But really, Kabenon's last post was just far too ambiguous for us to be able to conclude anything. Also I need a clarification here, is random Voting over yet? Getting scowled for Unvoting my random Vote woke me up from something.
Why is this scum not dead yet?
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Post Post #82 (ISO) » Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:34 pm

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If you want to accuse me of being Scum you could at least tell me why.
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Post Post #83 (ISO) » Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:43 pm

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Buddying to Yosarian, testing the waters on voting, overreaction. No townie would have occasion to be that cautious this early.
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Post Post #84 (ISO) » Fri Dec 14, 2007 8:10 am

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I also agreed with yos2, and I cant see where he overreacts...
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Post Post #85 (ISO) » Fri Dec 14, 2007 8:41 am

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Post Post #86 (ISO) » Fri Dec 14, 2007 9:26 am

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One random speculation; since rule 5 deals with a subject covered in the mod's "survey" before this game started, I wonder if other hidden rules (either now or in future days) might also be related to things discussed in that survey.

Anyway, I agree with the votes on Draux.
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. His post 77 could be seen as buddying up; more importantly, it seemed overly cautious, trying to figure out if everyone else thought the "random voting phase was over", if he would be more likely to get attacked for keeping his random vote in place or for unvoting it.
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Post Post #87 (ISO) » Fri Dec 14, 2007 9:33 am

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I saw random Voting as being over, which was why I Unvoted. It's just that after The Fonz scowled me for doing so that I felt I needed to know the general consensus. It's not like I would've cast another random Vote had most people felt that random Voting was still underway.
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Post Post #88 (ISO) » Fri Dec 14, 2007 9:34 am

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Draux wrote: As always, Yosarian2 is right. But really, Kabenon's last post was just far too ambiguous for us to be able to conclude anything. Also I need a clarification here, is random Voting over yet? Getting scowled for Unvoting my random Vote woke me up from something.
Why are you asking for clarification on whether random voting is over? When do you think a random phase ends?
Yosarian2 wrote:One random speculation; since rule 5 deals with a subject covered in the mod's "survey" before this game started, I wonder if other hidden rules (either now or in future days) might also be related to things discussed in that survey.
Actually, there was another question regarding random voting phase IIRC, and the rule which Qman broke was related to random voting. So, we might find something in the questionaire, but I don't see how knowing the rules could help us catch scum.

On another note, do you think (you = everyone) if the extra rules are determinal to the town? If they are, we might have fewer scumbags than your normal 12 player game.
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Post Post #89 (ISO) » Fri Dec 14, 2007 9:38 am

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Sir Tornado wrote:
Draux wrote: As always, Yosarian2 is right. But really, Kabenon's last post was just far too ambiguous for us to be able to conclude anything. Also I need a clarification here, is random Voting over yet? Getting scowled for Unvoting my random Vote woke me up from something.
Why are you asking for clarification on whether random voting is over? When do you think a random phase ends?
A random Voting phase ends when people want it to end.
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Post Post #90 (ISO) » Fri Dec 14, 2007 9:39 am

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Why did you care about the general consensus on an issue like that?

And, btw, while I don't want to speak for him, that's not why Fonz voted you.
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Post Post #91 (ISO) » Fri Dec 14, 2007 9:40 am

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Sir T wrote: Actually, there was another question regarding random voting phase IIRC, and the rule which Qman broke was related to random voting. So, we might find something in the questionaire, but I don't see how knowing the rules could help us catch scum.

On another note, do you think (you = everyone) if the extra rules are determinal to the town? If they are, we might have fewer scumbags than your normal 12 player game.
My guess is that they're related to mafia conventions. I assume making a list of those I suspect would just get me slammed. (Though I noticed that "QFT" is apparently clean)

It wouldn't be unreasonable for there to be fewer scum in this game. Besides opening us wide to modkills (we're already down one townie), the rules will end up limiting discussion. Since discussion is generally good for town, rules would be generally bad for town. Of course, another possibility is that we're all townies and the last person alive wins.
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Post Post #92 (ISO) » Fri Dec 14, 2007 9:49 am

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Yes, I know The Fonz Voted me because I suggested that we start Scum-hunting without actually doing anything to contribute. I don't have an actual defense to that, although I fail to see how that is a 'reasonably large tell'. I had hoped that the general concensus at that point would be that random Voting was already over, which would nullify the argument against me Unvoting my random Vote.
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Post Post #93 (ISO) » Fri Dec 14, 2007 9:53 am

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Draux wrote:Yes, I know The Fonz Voted me because I suggested that we start Scum-hunting without actually doing anything to contribute. I don't have an actual defense to that, although I fail to see how that is a 'reasonably large tell'.
(shrug) That kind of thing can be a sign of a cautious scum, trying to look active but hoping someone else takes the lead in starting bandwagons.
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Post Post #94 (ISO) » Fri Dec 14, 2007 10:47 am

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The problem with asking when random voting ends is that it seems that it would be opportunistic scum saying that so they know when to start BSing their reasons why someone else is scum so they dont get called out for voting with out reason.
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Post Post #95 (ISO) » Fri Dec 14, 2007 3:37 pm

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Nocmen wrote:The problem with asking when random voting ends is that it seems that it would be opportunistic scum saying that so they know when to start BSing their reasons why someone else is scum so they dont get called out for voting with out reason.
Also shows a lack of scumhunting. With 2.5 pages of content, there has to be
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Post Post #96 (ISO) » Fri Dec 14, 2007 8:27 pm

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Sir Tornado wrote:On another note, do you think (you = everyone) if the extra rules are determinal to the town? If they are, we might have fewer scumbags than your normal 12 player game.
Well, so far they have been, but I don't see why the rules would necessarily hurt scum less than town (unless they get told some of the rules). I also think that there's probably more to the game than the rules in terms of "unpredictability", but that's just personal speculation.
Nabakov wrote:Also shows a lack of scumhunting. With 2.5 pages of content, there has to be something to go on that would make a vote less than random.
There's been several other players who have just unvoted (eg. Gorrad, Nocmen come to mind), so it's not just Draux.
Draux wrote:As always, Yosarian2 is right. But really, Kabenon's last post was just far too ambiguous for us to be able to conclude anything.
Firstly, Draux is not the only player to say "I agree with Yos2". The second sentence regarding kabenon had already been discussed, so this could be an attempt to appear to be contributing. Post 67 is similar in that respect; not really helpful at all.
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, however his responses in 87 and 92 strike me as reasonable, so he gets the benefit of the doubt from me.
Draux wrote:Yes, I know The Fonz Voted me because I suggested that we start Scum-hunting without actually doing anything to contribute. I don't have an actual defense to that, although I fail to see how that is a 'reasonably large tell'.
Well then, why don't you start contributing and tell us who you find suspicious.

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Post Post #97 (ISO) » Sat Dec 15, 2007 3:16 am

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I made my argument a little back towards Nabakov, but it was mostly to go about testing the waters to see how everyone would respond. I realized later though that I still had my random vote on him, so i went and unvoted. Towards Draux, as mentioned in my last post, I find him somewhat scummy in his "is random voting over" post. However, this sort of looks like the style Draux plays with, so I really can't infer anything from that.

Basically, I'm stuck here saying that I want to see more regarding Draux and Nabakov before I think either is scummy. If anything, I want to look more towards Yosarian and Porochaz, as something just seems off about their posts.
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Post Post #98 (ISO) » Sat Dec 15, 2007 8:03 am

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Ok, I've reread, and here's my top 3 scumlist:

1. Nocem: Over-cautious, bad posting
2. Draux: Bad posting
3. Porochaz: Lurking

Vote: Nocem


If y'all want more elaboration, just ask. It's only four pages, though, and I really haven't seen any GOOD posts from Nocem or Draux.
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Post Post #99 (ISO) » Sat Dec 15, 2007 8:53 am

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Draux wrote:Yes, I know The Fonz Voted me because I suggested that we start Scum-hunting without actually doing anything to contribute.
I don't have an actual defense to that, although I fail to see how that is a 'reasonably large tell'.
See basically communist mafia. (Admittedly, that one bit me in the ass, since it was my scumbuddy i pointed it out in, and she went down without a fight. Grrr.) It's attempting to appear active and keen on scumhunting, without
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Saying 'Random voting stage is over, unvote,' is a personal bugbear of mine. Though useless town does seem to do it as often as scum. IF the random voting stage is over, that means there's something substantive worth voting on, or at least discussing. If you unvote, declare the random stage over, and don't add anything, that in my book is equivalent to declaring that there's something substantive to discuss and then refusing to do so.

Your appeal to majority after that was scummy n' all. WTF does 'general consensus' matter.
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