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Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 1:41 am
by Saladman27
VC 1.3
In post 12, chennisden wrote:Hi my name is chennisden though people call me chenn. This is my first time rolling scum so please go easy on me.
ReaperOfSouls (3) -
rosterfoster, Tchill13, Hectic
rosterfoster (1) -
skitter30
Hectic (3) -
AaronFrost, Azuresky, Elements
NotMySpamAccount (1) -
ReaperOfSouls
Tchill13 (1) -
NotMySpamAccount



With
9
alive, it takes
5
to hammer.
Day 1 ends in
(expired on 2019-09-17 11:00:00)


Game Notes

- Elements will be V/LA on the 4th and 5th of Sept
- skitter30 is V/LA on Fridays and Saturdays

Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 1:42 am
by Elements
VOTE: reaper
How do you like being on L-1?

Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 1:44 am
by Hectic
In post 42, ReaperOfSouls wrote:VOTE: NotMySpamAccount

Let's walk this road.
And don't get me fucking started on this vote. You have the audacity to cruise through this game providing no reads or insight after THAT start? And then you go and drop a vote on NotMySpamAccount of all people. Terrible, just terrible.

NotMySpamAccount had not a SINGLE post at that point. How do you even know that he's started reading the thread? Now you might say "Oh, I was voting for pressuring purposes, and encouraging him to start talking." Well, how in the world is someone who can't see your vote going to feel pressured? They can't.
It's not like you didn't have any other options either. There were plenty of other player who HAVE contributed plenty, and EVEN if you townread every single one of them, it doesn't matter. A vote there is still more useful than a vote on an inactive. Why? Because votes and wagons on town players are nearly just as useful as ones on scum players. Town players won't feel pressured this early by some measly votes or a wagon. They're not lying, they don't have any scummy ulterior motives. So we pressure them for a bit, ask them some questions, they answer truthfully (well mostly), and the town as a whole should come out of the bandwagon with a MUCH better assessment on that player's alignment and towniness once the wagon falls apart.

Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 1:51 am
by Elements
Hectic, you have a day chat. You don't need to signal to you scum buddies via capitalised words in your posts.

Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 1:58 am
by Hectic
In post 78, Elements wrote:Hectic, you have a day chat. You don't need to signal to you scum buddies via capitalised words in your posts.
STOP with this tomfoolery, or you're gonna have to pay me a lot more than you already FUCKING have. Look AROUND and tell me, does this really look like a place where you can joke around AND somehow stumble into a win? The scum-catching BUS is gonna leave with, or without you. I don't care if that means other people voting for ME. We just need to leave on it ALREADY before it's too late.

Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 2:03 am
by Elements
Hectic, will you marry me?

Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 2:18 am
by Hectic
In post 80, Elements wrote:Hectic, will you marry me?
Yes.

@mod:
Elements and I would like to conglomerate our roles into one MEGA hydra role. Is this acceptable? If not, DM me and I'm sure we could work something out. Elements has DEEP pockets.

Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 2:31 am
by Elements
In post 81, Hectic wrote:Elements has DEEP pockets.
Fathomless

Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 2:41 am
by Azuresky
Oh boy this thread.

Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 2:46 am
by rosterfoster
In post 69, skitter30 wrote:
In post 64, rosterfoster wrote:Tchill is town.

Skitter is probably town also tbh.

is exactly why I voted reaper fyi
Y am i townie?
You’re attacking me.

Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 2:49 am
by rosterfoster
Hectic is also my new favourite person <3

Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 3:23 am
by ReaperOfSouls
In post 63, Tchill13 wrote:Means you didn't really mean it when you put him at L-1. Had someone LOL lynched you would have been fine with it but now that you have an opportunity to show you care about the lynch you're making sure other people notice.
Have you read the thread? I said I am use to playing in an environment where there are no majority lynches on Day 1. Thus you don't have to fret about those things in RVS. When skitter posted it, I pulled my vote as it was strictly a RVS vote based on the less than optimal play of self voting.

Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 3:28 am
by ReaperOfSouls
In post 74, Hectic wrote:
In post 12, ReaperOfSouls wrote:Good evening! It has been awhile.

VOTE: Elements
In post 19, ReaperOfSouls wrote:
In post 13, skitter30 wrote:oh dear

is that like .... a serious post ? are you usually so over the top ... ?

pedit @hectic
In post 14, skitter30 wrote:also that's l-1
UNVOTE:
But now this, THIS is the type of shit which can establish you as a pretty fucking solid scumread on PAGE 1. The unannounced L-1 is bad enough, but something I can reluctantly forgive, but the second post? Now that is scum through and through.

So let me explain: From my vast experience playing in the forum pro leagues, back when I was in my prime during the 2010-2012 era, I noticed there were two types of players that would unvote to avoid a quickhammer.

The ones that were town. And the ones that were scum.

The ones that were town were concerned. They're concerned someone's gonna lolhammer the fool on L-1 and cut the day short. They're concerned some village idiot or opportunistic scum is gonna swoop in and bring that hammer down. So what do they do? They unvote. They don't need to provide any reasoning, they don't need to prove to anyone WHY they're unvoting, they just fucking unvote as quickly as possible.

And then there's the scum unvoters. Now THEY, they have something to prove, they feel the need to justify their actions. They don't want any suspicion from a naked unvote, do they? So what do they do? They justify, they lie, they quote, and they explain. They're not actually in a rush to unvote, they don't actually care if the fool on L-1 is actually hammered; they just want their action to LOOK good.
That's what Reaper has done here. He's felt the need to quote not one, but TWO posts before he unvotes. Scum scum scum scum scum.

And that brings me to my second point: The self-voter Elements wasn't even on L-1 when Reaper actually unvoted. You telling me you missed that, Reaper? We all know that there's a pretty nifty function on mafiascum, it allows one to see any new posts in the time that you've last refreshed the thread to the time where you press 'submit' on your post. It's pretty goddamn handy in avoiding accidental hammers, and allows a more natural conversation to flow through the beauty of "Pedits", or "Post-edits". Reaper is provided this functionality just like the rest of us. However, he fails to notice that the self-voter Elements has ALREADY unvoted himself, and is therefore not on L-1 anymore. So why does Reaper unvote anyway? Reaper wants to look like a cautious and concerned townie, that's why. He wants to look like he doesn't want a quicklynch, and for the day to end early. He's just a rightminded honest townie, right? FUCK NO. Really, he's just a scheming manipulative scum, who saw Elements unvote, but proceeded to do so ANYWAY, because hey, it might win him some townie points.

VOTE: Reaper
Seeing as how you have already rescinded your bonafided 'he's scum case' on Elements. And now he comes with this word salad. Tl;dr

VOTE: Hectic

Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 3:31 am
by ReaperOfSouls
In post 76, Elements wrote:VOTE: reaper
How do you like being on L-1?
Doesn't phase me one way or the other. How is it I am supposed to feel?

Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 3:40 am
by Elements
In post 88, ReaperOfSouls wrote:
In post 76, Elements wrote:VOTE: reaper
How do you like being on L-1?
Doesn't phase me one way or the other. How is it I am supposed to feel?
So my vote yo put you on L-1 hasn't changed your opinion or view on anything at all?

Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 4:13 am
by ReaperOfSouls
In post 89, Elements wrote:
In post 88, ReaperOfSouls wrote:
In post 76, Elements wrote:VOTE: reaper
How do you like being on L-1?
Doesn't phase me one way or the other. How is it I am supposed to feel?
So my vote yo put you on L-1 hasn't changed your opinion or view on anything at all?
It makes me wonder if you are just looking for quick end to the day phase so that the full use of the time isn't maximized.
But over all it doesn't change my opinions at all.
skitter is the only one with in game experience with me. Not much but like I said the only one. There are only 2 reasons which they are ok with me. The experience with or TMI. Since I am tl ing them I will go with the former.
Hectic loves to use words. He is over the top and excessive. Probably gets off showing how intelligent he is. Does that make him scummy? Not in itself, but he is probably able to talk his way out of tight spots.
tchill is opportunistic.
Auzre comes in voting Hectic and shading skitter and me. Then on being corrected just me. I find this scummy. If you think I should be voted vote me, don't nudge others in that direction while you park on someone else.
roster? gave me a bad vibe, but Idr why.
Don't recall others off top of head and am busy in rl atm so I don't have time to look.

Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 4:19 am
by Hectic
In post 87, ReaperOfSouls wrote: Seeing as how you have already rescinded your bonafided 'he's scum case' on Elements. And now he comes with this word salad. Tl;dr

VOTE: Hectic
OH, but this case is no joke. Not even gonna bother defending yourself and just gonna causally OMGUS are you? You could've at least TRIED to make your case look better. I was at the very least expecting a "Oh, I'm on mobile, I didn't see the other unvote when I posted".

But nope, you think this is just gonna blow over if you decide to not confront it with any real explanation. Well, you should've known better than to pick a fight with someone with
58
confirmed scummies.

But seriously, your disregard for my points makes you more scummy, because you want to avoid a proper argument about what I'm addressing here. And your vote is HELLA suspicious given you've just said my words don't make me scummy in of itself.

Okay, let's all fucking calm down here and talk this out with no emotions involved, ALRIGHT? How does plurality voting on your old site work? And did you not see the self-voter Elements unvote when you did?

Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 4:22 am
by Elements
In post 90, ReaperOfSouls wrote:It makes me wonder if you are just looking for quick end to the day phase so that the full use of the time isn't maximized.
The only player I can imagine hammering at this point is DEB and he's not in this game. If someone was to hammer and end the day now I think it would be all but a scum claim. So in that sense it would be very good to end the day so quickly. I'm guessing is 2v7 so that would instantly give us half the scum team day 2.

Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 4:27 am
by Elements
In post 92, Elements wrote: The only player I can imagine hammering at this point is DEB and he's not in this game.

Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 4:35 am
by ReaperOfSouls
In post 91, Hectic wrote:
In post 87, ReaperOfSouls wrote: Seeing as how you have already rescinded your bonafided 'he's scum case' on Elements. And now he comes with this word salad. Tl;dr

VOTE: Hectic
OH, but this case is no joke. Not even gonna bother defending yourself and just gonna causally OMGUS are you? You could've at least TRIED to make your case look better. I was at the very least expecting a "Oh, I'm on mobile, I didn't see the other unvote when I posted".

But nope, you think this is just gonna blow over if you decide to not confront it with any real explanation. Well, you should've known better than to pick a fight with someone with
58
confirmed scummies.

But seriously, your disregard for my points makes you more scummy, because you want to avoid a proper argument about what I'm addressing here. And your vote is HELLA suspicious given you've just said my words don't make me scummy in of itself.

Okay, let's all fucking calm down here and talk this out with no emotions involved, ALRIGHT? How does plurality voting on your old site work? And did you not see the self-voter Elements unvote when you did?
D1 is by plurality. Person with most votes at EoD is lynched. Tie votes are randomized. Majority disabled.
Majority comes back into play on D2 the majority of the time. But there are a fair share where it is not enabled for the entirety. This enables the full use of the phase.

And no, I did not see the unvote by Elements.

Not sure about angleshooting rules here so I hope answering this isnt a violation. There are 7 tabs open to games on browser. 6 active and 1 I died yesterday at Sod. I am multitabling and bouncing from one tab to the next.

Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 4:38 am
by ReaperOfSouls
In post 92, Elements wrote:
In post 90, ReaperOfSouls wrote:It makes me wonder if you are just looking for quick end to the day phase so that the full use of the time isn't maximized.
The only player I can imagine hammering at this point is DEB and he's not in this game. If someone was to hammer and end the day now I think it would be all but a scum claim. So in that sense it would be very good to end the day so quickly. I'm guessing is 2v7 so that would instantly give us half the scum team day 2.
That would constitute site meta which I don't have. I played a few games here late last year early this.

Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 4:40 am
by Elements
In post 95, ReaperOfSouls wrote:
In post 92, Elements wrote:
In post 90, ReaperOfSouls wrote:It makes me wonder if you are just looking for quick end to the day phase so that the full use of the time isn't maximized.
The only player I can imagine hammering at this point is DEB and he's not in this game. If someone was to hammer and end the day now I think it would be all but a scum claim. So in that sense it would be very good to end the day so quickly. I'm guessing is 2v7 so that would instantly give us half the scum team day 2.
That would constitute site meta which I don't have. I played a few games here late last year early this.
Which bit is site meta?

Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 4:51 am
by ReaperOfSouls
Naming of the player.
From my standpoint, I had made the mistake of not realizing the setup(which should be elementary, but given this is the only place I have played this small of game) and the fact that maj was in effect. I had no way of knowing if the same mistake could be made by anyone else.

It is no excuse. But I looked at the role card and didn't check anything thing else. I didn't realize the phases last as long as they do until after the game started.

Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 4:53 am
by Elements
In post 97, ReaperOfSouls wrote:Naming of the player.
It is, but he's not in this game so it doesn't matter.

Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 5:15 am
by Tchill13
I've actually never seen someone claim they didn't know it was majority lynch. What weak reasoning... It's too weak.