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In post 63, Geyde wrote:@Egix96 where's your head at in regards to the thread?
I don't see real solving from your posts

In my opinion, the game hasn't really yet progressed far enough for me to form any solid reads yet, but based on some ISO-reading:

Airan - They remind me a bit of how I was in my first-ever game (Newbie 1890), in that they seem... well, actually I'm not sure how to put it in words. Maybe it's because, like me, they started their first game with a scum rand, but I don't really feel strongly about that. I'm aware that Jamelia "love[d] that [they were] being 'paranoid'" but to me, 39 is a good example of what I'm talking about here.

Draynth - Not really seeing much in the way of alignment-indicative stuff from him yet. Most of his play so far has simply involved asking questions (also his 'quick tip' in 17) so I would consider him the de facto IC of this game (the Newbie game kind, when those were still a thing).

faustiv - I would like to see more from them first.

Geyde - I think that 62 is a +town observation, though it remains to be seen whether I will end up agreeing with it or not.

Jamelia - Probably not scum with Airan based on first sentence of 47. I can imagine the rest of that post being said from one scum to another, but not the first bit, I think that would just be way too corny
Individually though, not yet sure what to make of him.

NMSA - 56 feels a little bit reachy imo, but I guess that that can be at least partially justified by it being that early in the game. Nothing else from him pings me though.

Spangled - 61 - "...but I am not willing to put my vote there just yet, but " Seems non-committal and maybe self-contradictory?

Veggie - I notice that, like Jamelia, they also end a lot of their sentences with exclamation marks - how has Spam not picked up on that? But I digress.
66 I will admit is not a bad post, but I wouldn't say that it's "the best question asked so far" as Spangled put it... and Airan agreeing with that is... eh? But again I digress.

So with all that said,

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Spangled

Thanks for your opinion. I’m sorry if agreeing with spangled seemed suspicious. I kind of regret agreeing now. Although it is good, it is just asking for an opinion which still hasn’t been answered.

In post 69, Spangled wrote:

In post 66, UrVeggieM8 wrote:@Geyde Following that huge thread about hammering in RVS... out of interest, who read as the scummiest to you and why?

Giving an early townread to Veggie, I think; 66 is the best question asked so far.

I highly disagree that their question is deserving of a townread given that it makes no attempt to analyze the validity of my point or apply it in a solving sense.
Granted, I don't scumread it. However, it's not out of place for either alignment to say it.

In post 67, Airan303 wrote:Hey Geyde, are you implying I might be scum? Or is it someone else?

In post 29, Airan303 wrote:

Egix96 wrote:

In post 24, Airan303 wrote:I find it scummy because instead of voting for anyone else to check reactions, he voted for someone who had already been voted for.

I am not saying spam is a scum, or that you should vote for him. I am just saying that what he did was scummy

I mean, from what I've seen, RVS bandwagoning is fairly common on this site.
So I personally wouldn't consider it scummy, it's just a site meta thing.

Okay sure. But voting for veggie and not for anyone else is still a bit suspicious. I mean why bandwagon?

In post 39, Airan303 wrote:Ok thanks for all the replies. This is my first game here, so it’s natural I might find scum where there isn’t any. I just find bandwagons a bit suspicious, because scum might jump upon them quickly to get an innocent lynched. But because the bandwagon was at the start of the game, I am probably being a bit too paranoid.

Why do you care if I'm scumreading you or someone else?

In post 76, Airan303 wrote:I’m sorry if agreeing with spangled seemed suspicious. I kind of regret agreeing now.

No need to apologise.

In post 25, Egix96 wrote:

In post 24, Airan303 wrote:I find it scummy because instead of voting for anyone else to check reactions, he voted for someone who had already been voted for.

I am not saying spam is a scum, or that you should vote for him. I am just saying that what he did was scummy

I mean, from what I've seen, RVS bandwagoning is fairly common on this site.
So I personally wouldn't consider it scummy, it's just a site meta thing.

In post 29, Airan303 wrote:

Egix96 wrote:

In post 24, Airan303 wrote:I find it scummy because instead of voting for anyone else to check reactions, he voted for someone who had already been voted for.

I am not saying spam is a scum, or that you should vote for him. I am just saying that what he did was scummy

I mean, from what I've seen, RVS bandwagoning is fairly common on this site.
So I personally wouldn't consider it scummy, it's just a site meta thing.

Okay sure. But voting for veggie and not for anyone else is still a bit suspicious. I mean why bandwagon?

In post 32, NotMySpamAccount wrote:

In post 29, Airan303 wrote:

Egix96 wrote:

In post 24, Airan303 wrote:I find it scummy because instead of voting for anyone else

to check reactions

, he voted for someone who had already been voted for.

I am not saying spam is a scum, or that you should vote for him. I am just saying that what he did was scummy

I mean, from what I've seen, RVS bandwagoning is fairly common on this site.
So I personally wouldn't consider it scummy, it's just a site meta thing.

Okay sure. But voting for veggie and not for anyone else is still a bit suspicious. I mean why bandwagon?

for the lulz. It's RVS. I was able to think of a snarky reason to vote you more easily than I could think of one for anyone else. Also, wrt the bolded, look what reaction I got by voting someone who had already been voted.

In post 34, UrVeggieM8 wrote:Thanks for your insight Airan!

As the person receiving Spam's vote, when I first read their post my gut reaction was "that seems a bit lhf-ish. Maybe they're doing that to try and get information out of everyone"... which is not necessarily a scum move. To me personally, Spam doesn't quite read as scummy... just suspicious.

Interested in hearing what everyone else thinks!

In post 35, Draynth wrote:

In post 29, Airan303 wrote:

Egix96 wrote:

In post 24, Airan303 wrote:I find it scummy because instead of voting for anyone else to check reactions, he voted for someone who had already been voted for.

I am not saying spam is a scum, or that you should vote for him. I am just saying that what he did was scummy

I mean, from what I've seen, RVS bandwagoning is fairly common on this site.
So I personally wouldn't consider it scummy, it's just a site meta thing.

Okay sure. But voting for veggie and not for anyone else is still a bit suspicious. I mean why bandwagon?

Why not bandwagon? You often get some good information from it and it progesses the game
Why do you find it inherently suspicious?

In post 37, Jamelia wrote:

In post 29, Airan303 wrote:

Egix96 wrote:

In post 24, Airan303 wrote:I find it scummy because instead of voting for anyone else to check reactions, he voted for someone who had already been voted for.

I am not saying spam is a scum, or that you should vote for him. I am just saying that what he did was scummy

I mean, from what I've seen, RVS bandwagoning is fairly common on this site.
So I personally wouldn't consider it scummy, it's just a site meta thing.

Okay sure. But voting for veggie and not for anyone else is still a bit suspicious. I mean why bandwagon?

I thought about this in my first game on here too. I thought it was scummy (it ended up being so for different reasons), but not for meta reasons. Bandwagon RVS on d1 increases pressure and encourages discussion! So for now, let’s not punish someone for bandwagoning this early when there’s nothing to go off of.

Thread seems to agree with my conclusion on the RVS interaction, whether it be TMI or not.

Quotes on last post were mistake

In post 66, UrVeggieM8 wrote:@Geyde Following that huge thread about hammering in RVS... out of interest, who read as the scummiest to you and why?

It's less who was the scummiest poster there.
Rather, who made the comments with the least actual content

In post 74, faüstiv wrote:

In post 72, Spangled wrote:

In post 71, faüstiv wrote:Scumreading Spangled so far.

May I ask you why?

Would you mind answering the below please? It was literally the very next post after Spangled's
You're being too passive.

In post 73, Draynth wrote:Have you played mafia before Faustiv?

In post 74, faüstiv wrote:

In post 72, Spangled wrote:

In post 71, faüstiv wrote:Scumreading Spangled so far.

May I ask you why?

You're being too passive.

Would you mind answering the below please? It was literally the very next post after Spangled's

In post 73, Draynth wrote:Have you played mafia before Faustiv?

In post 34, UrVeggieM8 wrote:Thanks for your insight Airan!

As the person receiving Spam's vote, when I first read their post my gut reaction was "that seems a bit lhf-ish. Maybe they're doing that to try and get information out of everyone"... which is not necessarily a scum move. To me personally, Spam doesn't quite read as scummy... just suspicious.

Interested in hearing what everyone else thinks!

What exactly do you mean by suspicious?

In post 56, NotMySpamAccount wrote:to put it simply (and not quite accurately), you're using too many exclamation points. More precisely, it sounds like pocketing/ingratiating yourself with people. In my experience, this comes more from newb!scum wanting to sound genuine than from newb!town who are extremely excited.

Jamelia’s tone and entrance is certainly different to their only previous newbie game, but I don’t think I can call them scum over it. I am not willing to put my vote there just yet, but I will consider it.[/quote]
Have you played with Jamelia before or did you read through the game?
If so, what about her tone / entrance is different?

Sorry, I'm quite tired. I messed up that one too.
Also sorry for spamming, I'll try to combine points into one post

Hey everyone! I’m so sorry for not being active these past few days. I’ll be reviewing the comments and posting some stuff later.

Just saw this, you can ignore my previous question

votecount 1.3

Spangled

(2): Jamelia, Egix96

faüstiv

(1): UrVeggieM8

Jamelia

(1): NotMySpamAccount

NotMySpamAccount

(1): Spangled

UrVeggieM8

(1): Draynth

Not Voting

(3): faüstiv, Airan303, Geyde

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to reach a majority.

Deadline is in (expired on 2019-09-27 09:56:00)

For now:
UNVOTE:

@Egix
If 66 is not the best question asked so far, what is, in your opinion?
I also don’t really see how it is self-contradictory to say that I don’t think this person should be called scum for doing so-and-so, but that I’ll think a bit about it. You will notice that I did exactly that — I looked over their entrance in their previous game.
Non-commital... that’s fair; that’s just me early-game, I’m afraid; if you meta me I dare say that that is what you’ll find.

In post 91, Jamelia wrote:For now:
UNVOTE:

Why the unvote?

In post 93, Spangled wrote:

In post 91, Jamelia wrote:For now:
UNVOTE:

Why the unvote?

Because I want to analyze everything properly and not have my current vote be a RVS vote

In post 34, UrVeggieM8 wrote:Thanks for your insight Airan!

As the person receiving Spam's vote, when I first read their post my gut reaction was "that seems a bit lhf-ish. Maybe they're doing that to try and get information out of everyone"... which is not necessarily a scum move. To me personally, Spam doesn't quite read as scummy... just suspicious.

Interested in hearing what everyone else thinks!

In post 38, UrVeggieM8 wrote:

In post 35, Draynth wrote:

In post 29, Airan303 wrote:

Egix96 wrote:

In post 24, Airan303 wrote:I find it scummy because instead of voting for anyone else to check reactions, he voted for someone who had already been voted for.

I am not saying spam is a scum, or that you should vote for him. I am just saying that what he did was scummy

I mean, from what I've seen, RVS bandwagoning is fairly common on this site.
So I personally wouldn't consider it scummy, it's just a site meta thing.

Okay sure. But voting for veggie and not for anyone else is still a bit suspicious. I mean why bandwagon?

Why not bandwagon? You often get some good information from it and it progesses the game
Why do you find it inherently suspicious?

Not speaking for Airan here, but just wanted to put my .02 in. Bandwagoning isn't bad and it kick-started the game in this case! But I think that it can be inherently suspicious depending on the order that people decide to jump on the bandwagon. Spam put the second vote in, which (to me) makes them more suspicious than Draynth putting the first vote in. Ofc it's still not a strong indication of Spam being scum though. Just wanted to say that order matters.

In post 44, UrVeggieM8 wrote:

In post 43, Egix96 wrote:

In post 34, UrVeggieM8 wrote:Thanks for your insight Airan!

As the person receiving Spam's vote, when I first read their post my gut reaction was "

that seems a bit lhf-ish.

Maybe they're doing that to try and get information out of everyone"... which is not necessarily a scum move. To me personally, Spam doesn't quite read as scummy... just suspicious.

Interested in hearing what everyone else thinks!

@bolded: Hm, in what way?
How would you define the term LHF?

LHF because that the comment Spam made is one that vegos tend to hear a lot as a provocation. I'm not entirely sure if Spam would have commented the way they did if it wasn't following the previous comment from Draynth "I just ate a vegetarian meal". I feel that Spam may have used the previous comment as context for their reply. Hope I explained that in a way that makes sense?

Ofc though, whether someone is vego or not is completely irrelevant here so nothing was taken seriously and no feelings were trampled on I do understand that their comment was most likely made for the purpose of gathering information, irrespective of what their actual opinion on vegetables is! LOL

These responses took way more words than they needed to get the point across.
Maybe it's because they're trying to get across their thoughts to newbies who may not have played before, but a lot of what they are saying doesn't amount to anything.

In post 40, Spangled wrote:

In post 39, Airan303 wrote:Ok thanks for all the replies. This is my first game here, so it’s natural I might find scum where there isn’t any. I just find bandwagons a bit suspicious, because scum might jump upon them quickly to get an innocent lynched. But because the bandwagon was at the start of the game, I am probably being a bit too paranoid.

Yes, and with the fact that a majority requires 5, at this point, you are most certainly being paranoid.
Don’t think anyone tends to get lolhammered in RVS, especially not in the newbie queue.

In post 42, Spangled wrote:

In post 41, Airan303 wrote:

Spangled wrote:

In post 39, Airan303 wrote:Ok thanks for all the replies. This is my first game here, so it’s natural I might find scum where there isn’t any. I just find bandwagons a bit suspicious, because scum might jump upon them quickly to get an innocent lynched. But because the bandwagon was at the start of the game, I am probably being a bit too paranoid.

Yes, and with the fact that a majority requires 5, at this point, you are most certainly being paranoid.
Don’t think anyone tends to get lolhammered in RVS, especially not in the newbie queue.

What does lolhammered mean?

Oh, sorry. Generally, if a player is at L-1 (one vote away from being lynched, which happens when a majority in votes is reached), people wait for a more-or-less consensus from the general thread, and a roleclaim, and give warning in advance so that the person about to be lynched can share last thoughts if they’re town. Lolhammering means you probably don’t wait for most of that; you go ahead and cast the last vote, known as a hammer.

Generally you’ll find the definitions of terms that seem strange on the wiki.

In post 60, Spangled wrote:

In post 51, NotMySpamAccount wrote:

In post 40, Spangled wrote:

In post 39, Airan303 wrote:Ok thanks for all the replies. This is my first game here, so it’s natural I might find scum where there isn’t any. I just find bandwagons a bit suspicious, because scum might jump upon them quickly to get an innocent lynched. But because the bandwagon was at the start of the game, I am probably being a bit too paranoid.

Yes, and with the fact that a majority requires 5, at this point, you are most certainly being paranoid.
Don’t think anyone tends to get lolhammered in RVS, especially not in the newbie queue.

Somebody hasn't played enough newbie games then. Accidental rvs quicklynches are always a risk if a lolwagon gets to L-1.

Aye, but the wagon which we were talking about was at... L-3. A quicklynch there seems unlikely.

Posting for ease of access

Spangled's posts on the subject of the RVS add nothing of note to discussion in any meaningful way other than 'it was unlikely that they would be quickhammered since it takes 5 votes', prolonging a conversation which could have ended in the span of one post. Scum had definitely prolonged the thread discussion of RVS; Spangled fits the bill considering their post adds nothing but fluff to the conversation.
Additionally, their townread on UrVeggie's question comes off as TMI given that the question was definitely not out of a scum's range to ask.


VOTE: Spangled

Hmm. I’m not sure I’d put Spangled down as a hard “scumread” at the moment. I agree that they rambled but...so did I. I am leaning towards them trying to help vs. being scummy.

I’d lean towards a scum read of faustiv right now. Not sure how big of a fan I am of the vague questioning and responses. Is this because they don’t want to answer or are they trying not to reveal info?

Does anyone else have an opinion on this?

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