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Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 7:33 pm
by Amrun
↑ BBmolla wrote: ↑ Amrun wrote:Why should I have to tell you that?
I want to know what you think it is. Because clearly we have to different ideas about what it is in mind.
That balance makes you town. It clearly doesn't.
Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 7:33 pm
by Amrun
Also that your first recruit was more likely to be town. that's just bullshit.
Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 7:34 pm
by BBmolla
↑ Amrun wrote: ↑ BBmolla wrote: ↑ Amrun wrote:Why should I have to tell you that?
I want to know what you think it is. Because clearly we have to different ideas about what it is in mind.
That balance makes you town. It clearly doesn't.
Balance isn't what makes me town, this is:
↑ BBmolla wrote:-If I was scum, then odds are she wouldn't be once I recruited her. A fucking scum recruiter would be so game breaking it's not even funny.
-If I was scum, I wouldn't recruit the player who can read me perfectly, that's like asking to get lynched.
-If I was scum, why the hell would I bring in a player who can actually scumhunt? I mean, look at the players in this game, more than half the game is inactive pretty much. How would that benefit me?
-If I was scum, why the hell would I go against what I said I was going to do and bring attention to me?
-If I was scum, why would I fake a post restriction lazily to the point where it was obviously fake?
^Only the first bullet has to do with balance.
Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 7:35 pm
by BBmolla
↑ Amrun wrote:Also that your first recruit was more likely to be town. that's just bullshit.
Do you think Tierce is scum?
Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 7:36 pm
by BBmolla
Amrun why do you think I'm scum?
Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 7:39 pm
by BBmolla
↑ BBmolla wrote: ↑ PokerFace wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong but you said this before you ever acted worried about recruiting scum. yay I'm not buying this. Gonna keep reading and writing though in case I find a better case. Might have a beer while I do it too.
WHAT YOU QUOTED HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RECRUITING SCUM
WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT
^Amrun thoughts on this?
Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 7:52 pm
by Amrun
↑ BBmolla wrote: ↑ Amrun wrote: ↑ BBmolla wrote: ↑ Amrun wrote:Why should I have to tell you that?
I want to know what you think it is. Because clearly we have to different ideas about what it is in mind.
That balance makes you town. It clearly doesn't.
Balance isn't what makes me town, this is:
↑ BBmolla wrote:-If I was scum, then odds are she wouldn't be once I recruited her. A fucking scum recruiter would be so game breaking it's not even funny.
-If I was scum, I wouldn't recruit the player who can read me perfectly, that's like asking to get lynched.
-If I was scum, why the hell would I bring in a player who can actually scumhunt? I mean, look at the players in this game, more than half the game is inactive pretty much. How would that benefit me?
-If I was scum, why the hell would I go against what I said I was going to do and bring attention to me?
-If I was scum, why would I fake a post restriction lazily to the point where it was obviously fake?
^Only the first bullet has to do with balance.
How is that a point even worth making? "I could be scum, but Tierce isn't!" Congratulations... And no, a scum recruiter is NOT NECESSARILY gamebreaking, which we argued about before.
↑ BBmolla wrote: ↑ Amrun wrote:Also that your first recruit was more likely to be town. that's just bullshit.
Do you think Tierce is scum?
She seems town to me so far. That doesn't say anything about you and it doesn't make your point less wrong.
Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:08 pm
by BBmolla
↑ BBmolla wrote:Amrun why do you think I'm scum?
Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:15 pm
by Amrun
I don't, necessarily. When I thought you claimed unlimited recruiter and retracted it I did, but that's not what actually happened.
I'm on the fence about you. You are misrepresenting your towniness and really, really throwing a lot of wifom out there for us to process and that's not pro-town ... but I'm not convinced that makes you scum.
Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:17 pm
by Amrun
I forgot to say that I'm poking your arguments and bad logic, obviously in an attempt to further my read.
Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 10:41 pm
by Captain Haddock
Scratch that! Oversoul's question escaped my attention because I looked at BB's posts to reply to then went to bed, null/null-scum because I have no other reasons to suspect him.
↑ BBmolla wrote: ↑ Captain Haddock wrote:This is the first time he called me scum, coincidently after I was put under a little pressure. I expect he was hoping I would go off him when he first responded to me, because before then he didn't give an opinion at all. This blatent opportunism was also ignored.
Your case is such complete shit and ignored players who were doing scummier things, which is why I voted you. I have a hard time telling between dumb and scum.
↑ Captain Haddock wrote:If BBmolla was trying to draw the nighkill, why has he posted 0 reasons for lynching anyone? Whenever he's voted since the guilty child his "reasoning" was some variation of:"his posts suck", even though his own posts were rolefishing, fluff and going on about his role.
If you're not a god damned PR you should
ALWAYS
be trying to draw the nightkill. What does my reasons for voting have to do with drawing the nightkill?
What fantastic case on "scummier players" did you make that I ignored?
I wasn't contending that genius, I was pointing out your play matched coasting scum, not a player trying to draw the nightkill. Eugh... I'm not even going to bother answering that question.
Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 10:48 pm
by Tierce
↑ Captain Haddock wrote:
Scratch that! Oversoul's question escaped my attention because I looked at BB's posts to reply to then went to bed,
null/null-scum because I have no other reasons to suspect him
.
...what?
Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 12:05 am
by Agent_Ireland
↑ Amrun wrote:Oh, by the way, maniacal lemon is the only role so far that I can't see scum ever getting EVER - it's terrible for town, but absolutely game-breaking for scum.
That being said, I wish he'd be useful.
p-edit: Yes, that role sounds much more reasonable, balance-wise.
Normally, I'd agree with this, but isn't this a bastard game and wasn't the mod confirmed scum at the beginning town? Just saying.
As to everything else that happened, I have no clue. So I'm just gonna
VOTE: NumberQ or his replacement because I'm not sure what to do right now.
Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 12:13 am
by Tierce
↑ Amrun wrote:Oh, by the way, maniacal lemon is the only role so far that I can't see scum ever getting EVER - it's terrible for town, but absolutely game-breaking for scum.
Why? He's a vote magnet, but he's not unlynchable.
Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 6:58 am
by Amrun
↑ Tierce wrote: ↑ Amrun wrote:Oh, by the way, maniacal lemon is the only role so far that I can't see scum ever getting EVER - it's terrible for town, but absolutely game-breaking for scum.
Why? He's a vote magnet, but he's not unlynchable.
Your point being?
Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 8:51 am
by saulres
↑ Oversoul wrote:Tierce, I wouldn't have asked you to, slumlord.
slumlord?
And?
Why that particular flaked player?
@BB: I'm backing off my scumread on your because I'm being swayed by some of your arguments (in particular, those in 639). I still don't think it was pro-town to have brought in someone like Tierce based completely on speculation that she'd be town-aligned, though. Better to bring in someone who when they're scum, they're obvscum, in my opinion.
@Tierce: Convince me about Oversoul. (Although don't, really, because this is close to my last post, excluding short ones, in this game before V/LA, especially with the extended deadline.)
@Amrun: I don't understand why the vote magnet is game-breaking for scum. Especially in this game.
Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 8:52 am
by danakillsu
WHHHHHHHHHHHYYYYYYYYYY???
So much space, so little information. I can't glean anything from the last two pages.
Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 9:40 am
by Oversoul
↑ Agent_Ireland wrote:Normally, I'd agree with this, but isn't this a bastard game and wasn't the mod confirmed scum at the beginning town? Just saying.
What does mod confirmed scum have to do with anything related to Maniacal?
Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 10:51 am
by saulres
What did you mean by slumlord?
Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:11 am
by izakthegoomba
Votecount 2.04
Phillammon (4) - IceGuy, danakillsu, saulres, ManiacalLemon
Amrun (1) - Phillammon
BBmolla (1) - Captain Haddock
ManiacalLemon (1) - BBmolla
Oversoul (1) - Tierce
numberQ (1) - Agent_Ireland
Captain Haddock (0) -
none
danakillsu (0) -
none
Foxace36 (0) -
none
saulres (0) -
none
Robotnick2 (0) -
none
PokerFace (0) -
none
kdowns (0) -
none
IceGuy (0) -
none
ShadowGirl (0) -
none
Gimmicky Alt (0) -
none
RedPanda (0) -
none
knox (0) -
none
Agent_Ireland (0) -
none
Tierce (0) -
none
No Lynch (0) -
none
Not voting (11) - Robotnick2, ShadowGirl, knox, Gimmicky Alt, numberQ, kdowns, Foxace36, PokerFace, Amrun, Oversoul, RedPanda
V/LA:
ShadowGirl (until 19th)
saulres (19th to 23rd)
With 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch. The deadline is in (expired on 2012-04-29 08:00:00)
Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 1:16 pm
by Amrun
↑ Agent_Ireland wrote: ↑ Amrun wrote:Oh, by the way, maniacal lemon is the only role so far that I can't see scum ever getting EVER - it's terrible for town, but absolutely game-breaking for scum.
That being said, I wish he'd be useful.
p-edit: Yes, that role sounds much more reasonable, balance-wise.
Normally, I'd agree with this, but isn't this a bastard game and wasn't the mod confirmed scum at the beginning town? Just saying.
As to everything else that happened, I have no clue. So I'm just gonna
VOTE: NumberQ or his replacement because I'm not sure what to do right now.
Possibly worst post of all game.
Saulres, think about it. Scum that literally cannot win LyLo if ONE town person votes him? He becomes the only lynchable player in LyLo.
I mean, the ONLY thing that makes it even remotely possible is THIS GAME being silly, as it is, but still ... there's a point where it's bastard and a point where it's broken, and I don't think the game's intent is to be broken.
Thinking about it more carefully, though, it's ALMOST as bad for town in LyLo... Meh. Not quite.
I guess I should take my own advice and not clear people based off roles.
But honestly, I still think that role is town. It's less of a handicap for town, but obv. still terrible. It's negative utility (clearly).
Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 1:44 pm
by Foxace36
*Begins reread*
Soooo much pages....
This should be fun -_-
Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 2:36 pm
by Tierce
↑ saulres wrote:@BB: I'm backing off my scumread on your because I'm being swayed by some of your arguments (in particular, those in 639). I still don't think it was pro-town to have brought in
someone like Tierce
based completely on speculation that she'd be town-aligned, though. Better to bring in someone who when they're scum, they're obvscum, in my opinion.
Bad memories of Open #369? I'm bad at scum, in that game I was a third-party aiming for a nightkill--thus the deliberately protown play.
And the MLP game is in Theme Park, but I did not get to post there, since it's a recovered thread. Look for a Large Theme by Rainbowdash.
↑ saulres wrote:@Tierce: Convince me about Oversoul. (Although don't, really, because this is close to my last post, excluding short ones, in this game before V/LA, especially with the extended deadline.)
So... what do you want, really?
Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 2:50 pm
by Tierce
...And wrong thread. Please delete, izak. Stupid tabs.
Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 3:49 pm
by Agent_Ireland
NumberQ because we have nothing to go on for him and it's better than dealing with WIFOM in my opinion