In post 747, Prism wrote:I might be setting the bar too low for Aristeia town but either way it's time to do something else.
Going to try reading ISOs working Meg -> Datisi -> probably Chaos unless I strike something in the meantime? I might swap to cover-to-cover but I really don't want to.
Please help me find the last few locktown to solve this game.
We cannot afford to have this not solved in a couple of days.
Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:27 am
by Titus
Of course, I am supposing a competent scumteam and an incompetent or disabled town when I say that.
Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:29 am
by Prism
I can see why this slot got scumread for the early vague reads/general lack of proactivity. Even the later followups are overly simplistic and I now...have a lot more empathy for why Datisi asked so many questions about them line-by-line rather than just letting them sit.
On a first pass though I think this slot is still a townlean/a tossup. The read on Alchemist from 284 to 314 makes sense, and I kind of liked the contrast in the below. Originally it set off an alarm but after chewing on it for a bit I understand.
In post 508, MegAzumarill wrote:Aristeia: posts little content, but still shows they are following the game closely in 184, strong townread
ChaosOmega: keeps posts long, fairly thoroughly analyses conversations, doesn’t actively push his reads out, weak townread
It won't blow my mind if any of this is fake, but I think this game+610 are very par for the course for a newer town player. Meg isn't completely new but I think the inexperience still shows.
To be blunt this vote is a tossup to me and I'm not really a fan. I read Datisi 463 and can really see him pushing this as either alignment.
In post 142, MegAzumarill wrote:I feel the drama with flubber is being taken pretty harshly to what resulted from mostly RVS discussion.
VOTE: Titus
In post 329, MegAzumarill wrote:Titus is my RVS vote, I don't think they have done much either way yet. I don't see a reason to change it until I SR someone else.
In post 579, MegAzumarill wrote:Titus: doesn’t seem super concerned with exactly who is limmed, which seems townie (as I suspect there are 1 or more scum outside of their townblock) but doesn’t seem to provide a good flow of logic into the game, slight townread
Can you discuss more explicitly how you arrived at this initial vote given your later townlean? You're saying RVS but I want to know what the thought process was, if there was one.
I skimmed through the ISOs after my first skim of the game, found one that wasn't being actively pressured and didn't have a lot of posts and voted that one.
I was V/LA at the time and didn't have time to do a thorough look through of the game.
Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:32 am
by Prism
In post 579, MegAzumarill wrote:Vulture: on 2 occasions (me and flubber) added to a large wagon without providing thoughts of said wagon, very few reads given until very recently, Scumread
Honestly it feels like vulture hasn’t received enough pressure after their putting flubber at E-1. Especially after Chaos ended up doing the same before, with a much less meaningful vote.
VOTE: Vulture
I also really did not like this vote because it comes off as a basic deflection but again I can see it.
Might circle back around when I go through everyone else.
Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:33 am
by Prism
In post 754, MegAzumarill wrote:I skimmed through the ISOs after my first skim of the game, found one that wasn't being actively pressured and didn't have a lot of posts and voted that one.
I was V/LA at the time and didn't have time to do a thorough look through of the game.
I'm curious as to why you didn't vote one of the people pressuring my slot if you felt that way about the early Flubber pages.
(There are other reasons and I'm practically falling asleep as I'm writing this but I'm putting the reasons I think are safest for us)
T3 => Annoying, but probably town. I wish he'd quit being antitown, but probably town. Has some instances that separate him from Aristeia where he shows he's analyzing the game.
MegAzumarill => Scum lean. Her posting seems very surface level. She should be able to explain them more. Even her responses don't reference things in thread. They reference what she does as scum for one of them. In her developed response to Datisi she says "Your locking on to something and trying to pressure that person until you are convinced they are town ends up seeming towny. You give off the energy of trying to spot scum, and when you think you have, you don't let up until you either are convinced otherwise or find another person to pressure, and while I don't doubt it can be very effective, it does seem awfully prone to causing mislims. "
This is something you say to a scumread not a town one. But she says in a prior post
"tends to latch onto one thing about a player that they find suspicious and stick by it for long stretches, townread, "
I find this more common with scum than town so they don't have to vote. A good example of me doing this was the Calculasia game mentioned several times. "There has to be a scum in (big list of PRs claims)" but there wasn't. I used the fact the setup was completely townsided to my advantage. The only reason she's not as high up as someone like Chaos as she doesn't seem to have any defenders. This means it's very much either a newbie scum team (which in that case not to worry) or scum are very disconnected right now.
I also think if Meg is scum it's probably with Aristeia.
Overall I think if Meg is town then scum have control of the gamestate somewhere and I'd look for someone manipulating the game. With no champion for the Flubber/Prism wagon then to me its dead because if it's a scum bus then scum would want the credit and if it's led by a town player then if they thought Flubber would flip scum they'd go "Hell ya I'm the champion here's why Flubber flips scum". The only other person this could be is Umlaut at this point and there will be plenty of other ways to test him. The fact no one seems to vouch for the Flubber wagon hardly at all, means that Prism is probably town. I'm kinda at the point some fuckery is happening but I'm not sure where so I wanna flip some people to find it.
(Quote edited to only include parts involving me for relevancy)
The main infraction here is the fact that he goes after me for having reads at a very surface level, yet they don't ask for elaboration on any of the points I made. They don't seem interested in what I have to say and immediately right it off as essentially meaningless without asking to go in depth. I mean I'm aware that people are going to right off some of my reads as bad, but they hadn't made an effort to try to understand where I am coming from. It feels like scum that doesn't want me to add more because they are happy with the dynamics right now
I don’t think it’s entirely correct to say that Math didn’t care what you had to say because they did try to see you had no read on them despite them giving a lot of content to read. In my own interaction with Math it became clear to me he was interested in understanding my motivations and thoughts. I would say Math and I had a pretty meaningful interaction and I don’t get why you think he wouldn’t want you to add more.
Give me the tl;dr on Chaos? (I realize this is kind of a silly phrasing given Chaos has all of 6 posts but you know what I mean)
That's the problem. Town Chaos is more leadery or tries to be.
Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:39 am
by Titus
At least to me, other reasons may vary.
Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:43 am
by Prism
I stared at Datisi ISO but Datisi isn't a brick and I will actually need context to read this slot, that or very divergent meta. Will circle back.
Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:44 am
by Prism
UNVOTE:
Probably going to go Chaos -> Gamma -> read whole game. Will be shocked if I don't have hardreads on Lukewarm/Vulture/Gamma by the end of it.
Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:44 am
by Datisi
Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:46 am
by T3
Prism is towny, mostly gut though. VOTE: chaos
Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:46 am
by Prism
On the bright side at least I'm not tunneling you for playing 20 questions while shoving, and I really expected to.
Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:48 am
by Prism
I am not ceding my right to do so later btw, you are still ON NOTICE
Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:49 am
by Datisi
Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:53 am
by Prism
Not really thrilled with the Chaos ISO. Reasoning is pretty basic+tonally I don't like 110's comment on T3.
In post 261, ChaosOmega wrote:I'm trying to sort Seanzie. The vibe he gives off is like he's super serious right off the jump, the Flubber wagon was the biggest thing to happen in the game up to this point, and he didn't comment on it, which seemed odd to me.
, Vulture, and Datisi for town, something about Gamma is pinging me, but I can't really put it into words, so I'm ignoring it for now, still think Flubber is scum, the push on Seanzie and his post about mindmelding w/ Titus reads phony.
These being in the same post are pretty ??? even if I can kind of connect the dots.
Really want more from the slot+we have the time to wait for it.
Give me the tl;dr on Chaos? (I realize this is kind of a silly phrasing given Chaos has all of 6 posts but you know what I mean)
That's the problem. Town Chaos is more leadery or tries to be.
I can only recall one game I've played with Chaos (years ago), and he was town in that game and was pretty much like this. Maybe his meta has changed though?
Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:57 am
by Prism
The back and forth with Lukewarm I feel like I need more context for, but in general Chaos I think you'd benefit a lot more here from more aggressively pursuing your reads. I don't get why you're both so intentional in your posts/responses but also staying sidelined, this is the worst of both worlds.
