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Post Post #775 (ISO) » Thu Oct 01, 2009 8:07 pm

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A read of zwet-Reck interactions confirms my mild town read on zwet. I'm only interested in a Starbuck, Kdub, or Sajin lynch today.
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Post Post #776 (ISO) » Fri Oct 02, 2009 4:46 am

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Sajin:
I mentioned the
one
difference you pointed out between them, which was not followed up by any sort of opinion. I definitely don't see the "largest differences" (note the plural) you claimed to have mentioned. Also, I really don't like your claim of "I wanted to see where everyone stood so I could catch scum" as an explanation for your apparent lack of reasoning for voting Reckoner. It strikes me as way too convenient that all of this information and explanation about your thought process is coming out after they have flipped.

I'm not understanding your suspicion of MacavityLock here. His name showed up on vote counts throughout the game, and Reckoner was lynched with a "hidden" vote after Mac had claimed he had this ability. What part of that makes you think he might not be telling the truth about having a hidden second vote?

As for your question about me "ignoring" Furry and Starbuck, I thought it was clear from my last post to Slicey that I think Starbuck is more likely to be scum between the two of them, but I find you more suspicious than either of them, which is why I have focused on you today.
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Post Post #777 (ISO) » Fri Oct 02, 2009 8:07 am

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Slicey wrote:I'm seriously beginning to question if zwet is town or not.
Why? I have good reasons to suspect Macavity!
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Post Post #778 (ISO) » Fri Oct 02, 2009 8:17 am

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zwet, you have Day 1 reasons to suspect me. Evolve with the game please.
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Post Post #779 (ISO) » Fri Oct 02, 2009 11:54 am

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No, I have today reasons to suspect you.
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Post Post #780 (ISO) » Fri Oct 02, 2009 11:58 am

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I mean that you have reasons to suspect me that would be enough for suspicion on a Day 1. However, there's a lot of information available to you that you're not using.
Yes, my fake claim is Innocent Aligned with the Town win condition as per the mod's first post.
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Post Post #781 (ISO) » Fri Oct 02, 2009 12:05 pm

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Since we are all doing lists (which I normally wouldnt endorse but 'who is town' is near unanimous)

SB/kdub
SB/Sajin
-medium break-
kdub/Sajin
-big break-
zwet/SB
zwet/kdub
zwet/sajin

I actually have not seen zwet as scum, but have read him right as town every time that I have seen him. One shot vig scum doesnt make sense without some massive disadvantage for them (since it effectively is an unblockable kill, somthing to confirm players as town, and bumps back lylo), DV scum makes little sense without some catch which I think would be noticeable at this point, or at least become obvious once we get to five players.

Starbuck should claim to speed this game along a bit. Everyone is leaning to voting her, and having more time after a claim to react is always better. If we have to wagon her to L-1 first, lets do that.
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Post Post #782 (ISO) » Fri Oct 02, 2009 12:10 pm

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She has claimed Vanilla earlier. I'm waiting for her to answer my question in 755. She's at L-2 now, I believe? I will likely be placing both my reg and second vote on her to hammer depending on how I like her answer.
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Post Post #783 (ISO) » Fri Oct 02, 2009 3:47 pm

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MacavityLock wrote:She has claimed Vanilla earlier.
grrrr conflicting things... even though my theory really doesnt work as well with whats known at this point.
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Post Post #784 (ISO) » Fri Oct 02, 2009 5:02 pm

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MacavityLock wrote:Starbuck, re-reading your case on Furry, it amounts to your opinion that he's making bad cases on you and Kdub. Why does this make him obv-scum? Can you provide anything more solid given the Krer and Reck flips?
Why would the Kre and Reck flips have anything to do with how I feel about Furry? We all pretty much knew that one of them would be scum and one would be village given their 1v1. So I really don't understand your question.

You have generalized my case to fit your needs. Furry's case on Kdub had plenty of holes in it and I pointed that out in this post. I asked Furry to further support his case and he didn't. He kept assuming things and misrepresenting Kdub. He more or less is doing as you are doing, making things fit to his needs.

He also stated (and that I quoted in that post) that
Furry wrote:I think that not voting at any point in the game, with very rare exceptions (lylo and some deadlines) is a slight scumtell. A vote is a concrete thing to show how much you suspect a certain player, there is no way of talking your way out of it.
And I stated it there and I'll state it again. He felt that Santos was town, and even though he felt that way he still voted because according to the above quote, not voting him would be scummy.

You can also read post 607 for more of my case on Furry, and which had nothing to do with his case on me.

I re-voted him on Day 2 because I still believe him to be scum. He just added to that fact with his horrible case on me. He has misrepresented myself as well as Kdub.


On second thought, Kdub and Furry could very well be scum together and are doing a great job at distancing from each other.
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Post Post #785 (ISO) » Fri Oct 02, 2009 6:10 pm

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zwetschenwasser wrote:
Slicey wrote:I'm seriously beginning to question if zwet is town or not.
Why? I have good reasons to suspect Macavity!
I haven't seen any.
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Post Post #786 (ISO) » Sat Oct 03, 2009 1:01 am

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Lots of appeasement and wishy-washiness, plus a scummy ability.
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Post Post #787 (ISO) » Sat Oct 03, 2009 2:52 am

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Define scummy ability.
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Post Post #788 (ISO) » Sat Oct 03, 2009 4:42 am

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uh, ghost vote?
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Post Post #789 (ISO) » Sat Oct 03, 2009 4:58 am

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Starbuck, let me re-word. Is it possible for Furry and Reck to be scumbuddies? Why?

zwet, how is my second unnamed vote a scummy ability?
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Post Post #790 (ISO) » Sat Oct 03, 2009 6:13 am

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How is it NOT scummy?
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Post Post #791 (ISO) » Sat Oct 03, 2009 6:33 am

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Well, I offered to double-vote, and you prevented me. So whose fault is that?
Yes, my fake claim is Innocent Aligned with the Town win condition as per the mod's first post.
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Post Post #792 (ISO) » Sat Oct 03, 2009 9:25 am

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Huh?
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Post Post #793 (ISO) » Sat Oct 03, 2009 9:44 am

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You voted before MacLock can get his two votes down.

I've never been so frustrated with zwet before.
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Post Post #794 (ISO) » Sat Oct 03, 2009 9:49 am

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I voted what when where how who eh?
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Post Post #795 (ISO) » Sat Oct 03, 2009 10:47 am

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Day 2, MacLock was going to put his regular vote and his shadow vote on reck. You put him at L-1, so Maclock couldn't put both votes down.

Why hasn't SB been lynched yet?
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Post Post #796 (ISO) » Sat Oct 03, 2009 11:09 am

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Slicey and Mac:
What are your opinions of Sajin at the moment? If you are determined to lynch Starbuck today , I can't prevent Mac from putting both his votes on her and pushing the lynch through, but I still think Sajin is more likely to be scum right now.
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Post Post #797 (ISO) » Sat Oct 03, 2009 12:09 pm

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Sajin needs to answer my 770 and Starbuck needs to answer my 789.
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Post Post #798 (ISO) » Sat Oct 03, 2009 12:33 pm

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@Kdub- Still waiting on my question. Why is it convienient? Am I not allowed to criticize your contribution which was very ambiguous at first? I am answering your questions, and ask you a question and you don't answer and keep asking questions of me. Explain if you think you contributed to the discussion that day more so than you think I did. If you think you had made a decision or were facilitating discussion then why did you not try to convince others of it? All of your posts that day were generic fence sitting besides the ones where you criticized kreriovs claim the moment he claimed. Disagree?

@Mcavity- Your "I am only scum if its with zwet theory" holds true if you have a double vote. So sure I agree with the logic.

@Zwet- Don't use my ideas randomly. Meh. Did you ever say he could have a shadow vote before I did?
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Post Post #799 (ISO) » Sat Oct 03, 2009 12:44 pm

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Slicey wrote:Day 2, MacLock was going to put his regular vote and his shadow vote on reck. You put him at L-1, so Maclock couldn't put both votes down.

Why hasn't SB been lynched yet?
And this is frustrating how?
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