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Post Post #775 (ISO) » Mon Nov 12, 2007 4:21 am

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Well so much for my "soupfly is the traitor" theory since it makes no sense for him to bus at this point. If he's right and Shanba's the assassin, then either there's only one scum left or Sarcastro is a traitor or another assassin. That would explain why he hasn't voted Shanba yet, when it's the only thing that makes sense for him to do since one of them HAS to be an assassin.

I hadn't been very suspicious of ether or rhapsody all game, mostly because they were on the AlyG bandwagon early and neither looked like they could be bussing. I still haven't had a chance to reread since I'm trying to catch up on games I agreed to replace into.
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Post Post #776 (ISO) » Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:28 am

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Setael wrote:Well so much for my "soupfly is the traitor" theory since it makes no sense for him to bus at this point. If he's right and Shanba's the assassin, then either there's only one scum left or Sarcastro is a traitor or another assassin. That would explain why he hasn't voted Shanba yet, when it's the only thing that makes sense for him to do since one of them HAS to be an assassin.

I hadn't been very suspicious of ether or rhapsody all game, mostly because they were on the AlyG bandwagon early and neither looked like they could be bussing. I still haven't had a chance to reread since I'm trying to catch up on games I agreed to replace into.
not that i don't appreciate you not thinking i'm a traitor, but if i was indeed a traitor i could be busing shanba instead of sarcastro because sarcastro is the scum. so basically, if i was a traitor it would make sense for me to bus the only townie who hasn't been investigated.

but in any case, i'm not the traitor.

btw, shanba's been at L-2 for almost 48 hours and with two scum out there its a little surprising that they haven't jumped on for a quick lynch and victory! if shanba were a townie that's what should have happened by now.
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Post Post #777 (ISO) » Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:42 am

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There's some
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holes with the l-2 thing. For one, the same argument can be applied to sarcastro, who I have been voting for longer than 48 hours. For two, I see no indication that the assassins and the traitors know each other. I regard it as a distinct possibility that Setaeltraitor is holding off voting for the simple reason that she herself is not sure who the scum is. Thirdly, Sarcastro, who has to be one of those two scum hopping on, has not posted here since you voted for me. It could well be that Setael, who is the more aactive partner, is waiting for Sarcastro to vote before wanting to vote me. Soupfly... eh. :|
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Post Post #778 (ISO) » Mon Nov 12, 2007 7:05 am

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Stark wrote:You can resist the Aurora Chair, so you will come up innocent if subjected to it. You hate the Peacekeepers for doing what they do to you while imprisoned, and recognise the Scarrans for what they really are and you are prepared to feed false information to see them achieve their goals.

You are a traitor. You cannot communicate with your evil masters outside the thread and you cannot be recruited,
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. If investigated by the Aurora Operator, you will come up innocent.
i think the traitor knows who the assassins are.
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Post Post #779 (ISO) » Mon Nov 12, 2007 7:17 am

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Oh yes. I missed that. Sorry. Still, the other two points stand.
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Post Post #780 (ISO) » Mon Nov 12, 2007 7:46 am

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first point is not so relevant if you consider that both you and sarcastro could be scum which is what i'm thinking at the moment.

third point is valid.
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Post Post #781 (ISO) » Tue Nov 13, 2007 10:20 am

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well this is getting old. sarcastro posted on this site twice on monday and twice on tuesday. i doubt he forgot to check in on a day 5 game. shanba still hasn't been quick lynched.

setael, shanba's reason for a lack of a quick lynch is that you are a traitor and waiting for sarcastro to drop a vote in order to finish shanba off. is this the case?

i think shanba and sarcastro are the two scum. do you think the whole kilroy/rhapsody fight was real or staged guys? i say staged.
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Post Post #782 (ISO) » Tue Nov 13, 2007 11:59 am

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My problem is I agreed last week to replace into a couple new games and I don't have as much time as I expected to read those threads. So I'd like to reread this game before voting but I'm not going to have time to do it any time soon.

I'm a Grunt so our 2 scums must be Sarcastro and Shanba or soupfly and Sarcastro. I've been hoping for some input from both Patrick and Sarcastro, but it's been pretty dead around here. Considering Sarcastro is active on the site but avoiding posting here, it seems most likely that Sarcastro is traitor and Shanba is assassin, which would explain why he's avoiding voting Shanba. So I'm willing to put the -1 vote and it will be up to Patrick to decide if we're right about Shanba.

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Post Post #783 (ISO) » Tue Nov 13, 2007 12:04 pm

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zed's dead baby, zed's dead

patrick, god rest his soul, is no longer with us setael.

glad you voted thought.
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Post Post #784 (ISO) » Tue Nov 13, 2007 12:38 pm

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I meant d3sisted, not Patrick.

Though I would like some insight from Patrick... lol.
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Post Post #785 (ISO) » Tue Nov 13, 2007 3:22 pm

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I'm glad my opinion matters, but I'm in the process of reading through Sarc and Shanba's (and their predecessors') posts this entire game.

Other than that, the most recent votes (Setael's, Shaba's, soupfly's) are actually quite interesting. Needless to say, they've played a major role in my decision as well.

And I don't know if I'm missing something here, but Setael, how did we deduce that we have 3 assassins and not possibly 2sin+traitor?
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Post Post #786 (ISO) » Tue Nov 13, 2007 3:40 pm

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No one made that deduction as far as I've seen, though it's a possibility. I think the most likely scenario is SarcastroTraitor and ShanbaAssassin.
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Post Post #787 (ISO) » Tue Nov 13, 2007 3:50 pm

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soupfly wrote:well this is getting old. sarcastro posted on this site twice on monday and twice on tuesday. i doubt he forgot to check in on a day 5 game. shanba still hasn't been quick lynched.

setael, shanba's reason for a lack of a quick lynch is that you are a traitor and waiting for sarcastro to drop a vote in order to finish shanba off. is this the case?

i think shanba and sarcastro are the two scum. do you think the whole kilroy/rhapsody fight was real or staged guys? i say staged.
Except that I also didn't post in several other games that are more important to me than this one (I replaced simply to play with someone who was just replaced).

I still haven't read any of the game before when I came in. I really don't know what's going on. Everybody seems to believe the cop claim, so that means Shanba's scum. I'm not really interested in analysing anything else right now.

I have to say, though, that you seem awfully eager to decide that
both
of the players who are potentially assassins are, in fact, assassins. Although to be fair, I'm not sure whether you're saying that we're both assassins or that one is an assassin and one is a traitor. Either way, you seem to be overlooking the fact that the cop investigations give no information on the traitor. And now you're suddenly declaring that an argument was staged because that would fit in with the conclusion you've already reached illogically? Yeah, that doesn't seem at all forced.

I'm calling Shanbassassin and Soupflytraitor.

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Post Post #788 (ISO) » Tue Nov 13, 2007 8:41 pm

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Wow, fuck should've seen that coming.

Guess that's GG to Sarc/AlyG/Setael... well played, scum.
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Post Post #789 (ISO) » Tue Nov 13, 2007 8:50 pm

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Yeah, because quicklynching scum are so likely to ask "Is that hammer?", right?

Believe me, if I were scum, I would've posted something a lot more impressive for my first win in who-the-hell-knows-how-long. I am the goddamn Charlie Brown of Mafiascum right now, and I would not waste my time writing something game-relevant if I knew I was about to win.
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Post Post #790 (ISO) » Tue Nov 13, 2007 9:05 pm

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Either you're just playing it up, or I'm overly pessimistic. Only time will tell.

Regardless, here's my bah post. Bah.
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Post Post #791 (ISO) » Tue Nov 13, 2007 9:27 pm

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Sarcastro wrote:I'm calling Shanbassassin and Soupflytraitor.
LMAO!

if i'm the traitor then the game is over! i wouldn't be able to NK anybody so town wins.
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Post Post #792 (ISO) » Tue Nov 13, 2007 10:15 pm

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soupfly wrote:
Sarcastro wrote:I'm calling Shanbassassin and Soupflytraitor.
LMAO!

if i'm the traitor then the game is over! i wouldn't be able to NK anybody so town wins.
Not if the town lynches itself, genius. They would have to know that you were the traitor, in which case it wouldn't matter whether or not you could kill.

I'm not sure if posting something that oblivious is a town tell or a scumtell.
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Post Post #793 (ISO) » Tue Nov 13, 2007 10:55 pm

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why would town want to lynch in that case? we'll just vote no lynch forever and just go on living our lives happily ever after with the knowledge that the traitor could never harm us!
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Post Post #794 (ISO) » Tue Nov 13, 2007 11:11 pm

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Personally, I'd rather win than draw.
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Post Post #795 (ISO) » Tue Nov 13, 2007 11:50 pm

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This actually brings up an interesting point.
Mod, what is the win condition for traitor and scum?
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Post Post #796 (ISO) » Wed Nov 14, 2007 3:13 am

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If Shanba was the traitor, and Sarcastro is the assassin, the town still wins....right? Even if Sarcastro makes a NK, tomorrow will still dawn with 2 confirmed townies and SarcastroSoloScum and he loses. The only way town loses is if soupfly is the traitor and Sarcastro is the assassin.

Sarcastro's last posts make it look like he's the assassin, since he doesn't seem to know who the traitor is, and therefore if he's the assassin, he doesn't know if he's won or not. If Shanba was the traitor, he's lost. If soupfly was the traitor, he's won.
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Post Post #797 (ISO) » Wed Nov 14, 2007 4:24 am

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I was about to write something else and then remembered
Mod wrote:No posting in twilight. I'm sure you'll all be aware when a lynch is imminent. I will not punish someone who accidentally cross posts or makes what I deem to be a genuine mistake - but otherwise, NO posting in twilight.
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Post Post #798 (ISO) » Wed Nov 14, 2007 5:28 am

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bahgotown. If there is a town left. :(
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Post Post #799 (ISO) » Wed Nov 14, 2007 6:46 am

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Setael wrote:If Shanba was the traitor, and Sarcastro is the assassin, the town still wins....right? Even if Sarcastro makes a NK, tomorrow will still dawn with 2 confirmed townies and SarcastroSoloScum and he loses. The only way town loses is if soupfly is the traitor and Sarcastro is the assassin.

Sarcastro's last posts make it look like he's the assassin, since he doesn't seem to know who the traitor is, and therefore if he's the assassin, he doesn't know if he's won or not. If Shanba was the traitor, he's lost. If soupfly was the traitor, he's won.
So we're supposed to know who the traitor is? What? How do we know there even
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And why would Shanba be more likely to be the traitor than anyone?
Traitors come up innocent!
The investigation results say nothing about who the traitor could be! Why is everyone so eager to think that people who were found innocent can't be traitors?

Is it actually twilight? I explicitly asked if I'd hammered, and nobody responded in the affirmative, so I assumed it wasn't, especially given that the mod hasn't shown up yet.
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