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--unc actually end up looking townier than JV in their 1v1 in page 16-17. JV seems to backpedal on the FF vote while still stating intention to lynch that slot. This could be more newb indicative than AI but it seems like JV is just trying to appease other players rather than doing what they think is "right"--

In post 406, JacksonVirgo wrote:

In post 403, Datisi wrote:Discussion you had with Bugs a bit earlier about "you trying to buddy them" or whatever, you make anything out of that?

Honestly, I've got two total outcomes in my head (probably not the write wording)

Since I am set on TvS {Teacher, FF}. It's either SvS {FF, Gyro} (meaning it could be Gyro/Teacher) or SvS {FF, bug}

this post sticks out to me because not only is FF showing up as scum in each one of his potential pairings, but like mentioned above JV only seems to lay the vote down when they feel it is "safe" or "approved". It could also be worth noting that both of JV's potential partners for FF are now flipped town, but that's another thing to revisit later.

In post 413, JacksonVirgo wrote:

In post 412, Datisi wrote:

In post 406, JacksonVirgo wrote:Since I am set on TvS {Teacher, FF}. It's either SvS {FF, Gyro}

(meaning it could be Gyro/Teacher)

or SvS {FF, bug}

What do you mean Gyro/Teacher?

Yeah could have formatted that better and now that I am writing this, I disagree with my own read on that.

I mean originally that if FF flips scum. All my SvS reads with FF were now with Teacher but I don't think that anymore

Okay maybe this whole thing is more newb indicative than AI after all

In post 421, JacksonVirgo wrote:

In post 420, Datisi wrote:

In post 417, JacksonVirgo wrote:

In post 415, Datisi wrote:

In post 413, JacksonVirgo wrote:I mean originally that if FF flips scum. All my SvS reads with FF were now with Teacher but I don't think that anymore

Okay, genuinely no idea what this means.

And yes. By default, each page has 25 posts. So posts number 25, 50, 75, 100, 125 etc. are pagetoppers.

Words aren't helpful for me when I am half asleep, apologies

The only way I can make sense of 413 is if you'd meant to write "meant originally that if FF flips Town". Is that right?

OH! Yeah that's what I meant. Since I TvS Teacher and FF. If FF flips town, Teacher is the scum from my pov.

Now I am genuinely confused. Like I'm less confused and also more confused... okay, moving on...

In post 422, Uncrowned wrote:

In post 418, JacksonVirgo wrote:

In post 416, Uncrowned wrote:You're chopping and changing a lot, I'm not sure what to make of you.

How so? I believe I've been dead set on TvS FF and SvS Gyro/FF for a while. Have I not made that clear enough?

The Fish vote, unvote, and then revote.

Saying Teacher could take FF"s role in the SvS teams you have listed, and then taking it back a few posts later.

Could just be mistakes or reevaluating, which is fine. I'm pointing it out because it's happened two times in quick succession.

Your TvS and SvS have been consistent, I wasn't referencing those.

This slot is super weird to me because they way he questions people, namely JV, is really good. Like it seems like he is genuinely trying to form reads on slots and get them to post in a more constructive way. But when speaking of himself he seems very careful, very overly wordy. This could be justified by his own stated reasoning that he is a "defensive player" I think he said, but like I've already mentioned that is something I have to be wary of due to past experiences.

In post 433, Formerfish wrote:

In post 421, JacksonVirgo wrote:OH! Yeah that's what I meant. Since I TvS Teacher and FF. If FF flips town, Teacher is the scum from my pov.

You are going to feel very silly eventually. Mark this post to look back at and feel bad about.

not really relevant to the game; I understand FF wants to take this loud, in-your-face approach to the game. That's fine. But I just feel like treating JV's slot like this after seeing (real or feigned) revelations being made, and at the very least seeing some player progression, it's just not a great way to handle newbie games. Perhaps showing his own perspective and trying to interact with the slot without just insulting JV would yield better results and make them more likely to read and be read. Idk. Maybe it is relevant to the game, because it does seem like FF is experienced enough to know that this isn't a good way to formulate reads on a newbie and it just seems like there's no good intentions behind some of his posts.

In post 443, bugspray wrote:

In post 441, Datisi wrote:

In post 438, bugspray wrote:Datisi: pretty solid town to me tbh, doing

a lot of good scumhunting

that makes up the foundation of effective townplay

A lot of my posts (like 390) and my vote suggest that I think you're scum. Is that "good scumhinting"?

I mean you're doing a good job at trying.

Because you're reading fellow town as scum

you're definitely not doing great

why was this slot killed again?

In post 443, bugspray wrote:its like that dril tweet "i will face god and step backwards into hell"

LMAO I WISH YOU WERE HERE

--datisi's interactions with the newb slots seems kind of weird? can't put my finger on it. This is for the ISOdives.--

In post 479, Fuzanglong wrote:Town:
Datisi: Doesn't seem sus at all bc she is very reasonable and asking questions in favor of town (or at least i thin)
Fuzanglong: I'm townie
Teacher: lol dis kinda stupid but I just *feel* like he's safe maybe its the creepy mask
Gardenia: Not throwing any names out there but asking a lot of questions that will help make teh right choice (i think)

Not Sure
JacksonVirgo: Can't tell if they're just a more prepared newbie than I am or if they are more experienced idk don't know and don't have opinions on this person
Uncrowned: ?? Defends hard apparently as said in post 319 and he's been active since teh beginning but I don't know what to think
Bugspray: seems safe but also before him, chibee was kinda aggressive in not tryna get lynched (but also maybe that's that person's personality ahh im confused)
Scum:
FormerFish: at least recently, being vague, also is trying to convince ppl he doesn't care if he gets lynched or not (but then maybe he doesnt?) at least twice, once in pg 19, once in pg 18
GyroZeppeli: Throwing out random names? at least in post 386, and doesn't respond often

I think i got everyone
Sorry if this sucks lol i tried

this slot is town. Like it just absolutely is.

In post 488, Fuzanglong wrote:Maybe i feel teacher's safe bc im a hoe for authority idk lmao

not game related at all but I feel with the Fawke's mask this is ass-backwards?
Nevermind this is game related, she gives ZERO FUCKS. Definitely town.

In post 494, Formerfish wrote:

In post 490, Fuzanglong wrote:Also lol someone please teach me how to reply to more than one person in a post

Easy way, use the Q+ button top right in posts to "collect" them for comment, and then hit reply to see what you have.

That can be messy and hard to work with sometimes, so I'll open a 2nd window and hit the Quote button, write what I want, and then copy and paste it into a reply page.

Rinse and repeat until you have what you want and then submit.

click middle mouse on the "quote" button (opens in new tab). collect as many tabs of quotes as you need, cut/copy them all into one tab. This is my method and I will never veer from it.

In post 498, Formerfish wrote:Ever wonder how innocent people confessing to doing things they didn't do, you will find out exactly how they felt.

wat

In post 499, Formerfish wrote:

In post 497, Fuzanglong wrote:Also your pfp is calming is that bts lol

Translate please. English preferably.

pfp = profile pic
bts = some k-pop group I think

In post 510, teacher wrote:It feels like the attention has been focused on bug and that’s the momentum slot. And it feels like nobody has been pushing against that, which means everybody (including bugs presumptive partner) is ok with that. So I’m not.

The second line was on bugs response to the avi and other pressure - not trying to appease others to survive. I’m just not getting much survivalism. Again, not a great sign.

I see two possibilities here.

1. This is a good take. Teacher is experienced, definitely noticed the VT slip. I think this alone gives Teacher very high town equity.

2. It's the "right" take, but is it for the "right" reasons? Like in #1, he noticed the VT slip. That makes this a sub-optimal lynch for scum as well as a sub-optimal wagon for scum as it won't likely result in a PR outing them self.

Need to think on it.

In post 533, JacksonVirgo wrote:

In post 530, Uncrowned wrote:

In post 516, JacksonVirgo wrote:Thanks for answering lol
UNVOTE: bugspray

Why so quick to unvote after he answered one question? Isn't he on your scum list? Or am I wrong?

I only voted bug because they wouldn't answer my question, then they did so I unvoted. Gyro is more sus to me. Its either Gyro or bug from my current pov

did I miss something or? why isn't JV voting FF or actively trying to read the slot or something?

In post 555, teacher wrote:That’s why we don’t PR spec in thread. But that cats out of the bag. And you have no better shot of being right than scum do, presumably. (You’ve also functionally claimed vt with your post, which is yet another reason why you shouldn’t pr spec).

ooooh

In post 564, the worst wrote:oh hi you guyssss
DMing a dnd game. I'll catch up soon.

IRL?

In post 570, the worst wrote:VOTE: <>{

(this is a fishy - VOTE: formerfish if it's not counted)

at the end of pg 5 and I like this

y u vote on catch up?

In post 575, the worst wrote:Formerfish - is top-posting this game yet has done nearly nothing; his reads are superficial and his pushes struck me as constantly being on players who are in vogue to push. he's added pressure to slots sure but he's added pressure to VULNERABLE slots and he's largely done this through a style of snarky shading; he wants to make people look bad but isn't all that interested in actually forcing them to pump out alignment indicative info. he looks like a scumbag. :u

yep

In post 591, JacksonVirgo wrote:

In post 590, the worst wrote:It's hard to townread another slot over yourself tbf but I getchu. I wrote up my paragraph on Gyro last thing before I slipped out of the thread before so I think I've done that thing to myself where my last memory of him was warm fuzzy feelings; still think he's town but I'm also aware I'm slightly tunnelling myself into townreading him tonight.

how are you feeling about Mr. Fishy aorn? any thoughts on my idea of pushing the scum who is easier to read correctly and hunting back from there?

I mean to me, Fishy is scummy as all balls. Being at the top of my scumread list

okay? then why aren't you voting him or at least poking him or something?

In post 592, Uncrowned wrote:

In post 571, the worst wrote:Uncrowned and JacksVir:why vote Gyro? (Jacks, if you have reasoning past "not explaining his naked vote on ff" I would appreciate it)

As I said in post 244 I didn't like his votes on Teacher or Gardenia and his reason behind the Teacher vote (post 140). My original vote on him was from RVS, I've kept it on him since my current mindset right now is "Does this post or person's overall play style benefit town, or seem town motivated?" since I liked that thought process when Teacher brought it up during the Fish/Chibi/Teacher interactions near the start of the game.

I don't think Gyro has helped town much, I liked when he asked for Datisi's explanation of why he thought Bug was scum, since that was encouraging discussion and progressing the game, but that's about it.

He's not clear scum to me by any means, but I've got more suspicion to him than I do to others. Bugs made the "mason hunting" blunder earlier and has had some takes that I don't agree with and Jackson has seemed a bit jumpy in terms of votes and his reactions to things, but I could see this potentially being nervousness and/or inexperience. I'd also like to see a bit more out of Fuzanglong overall.

I will say out of the 4 I mentioned in this post (Gyro, Fuz, JV and Bug) I think Bug is the least likely to be scum out of them, he has this "stream of consciousness" style with his posts, like he's reacting to things naturally as they come and he's just giving us his thoughts as they pop into his head. It feels right to me, even if I think he's been wrong on a few occasions and could probably do with evaluating his stances a bit better at times.

bleh. More overly-wordy self defense that I really just don't care for.
There is a very stark contrast between posts about himself and posts about others. I think he fits the bill for scum when taking into account my earlier thoughts of who would make the bugspray kill.

--FF hammer is bad but maybe not horrible for --

In post 609, Formerfish wrote:I feel like that kill was made to set me up...

I actually don't see how that would set up FF at all. The tone of this post doesn't really gel with his "idgaf" attitude so far. Weird post.

In post 612, Formerfish wrote:

In post 608, eth0s wrote:I need to read this game still. Planning on doing a chronological catch up. Anything I should know before then?

Your pred claimed doc. That's a thing. Who'd you doc?

the fuck is this?

In post 614, the worst wrote:I called Fishy out for scumplay and explained why I thought Gyro was a mislynch. Rather than engage with this in good faith, Fishy waits for L-1 then lolhammers to end the phase and cut out conversation.

Coming into d2 he suggests I night-killed Bugspray because I'm scum and I want to set Formerfish up. I can explain why that suggestion is absurd and disingenuous if anyone would like.

please do tell.

In post 618, Formerfish wrote:

In post 519, Datisi wrote:

In post 517, Formerfish wrote:

In post 511, JacksonVirgo wrote:Teacher/Bug lol

You're half right. Touch the wrong half and I'll cut you.

Tone it down, FF. We get it.

Ducky, explain what this post might mean.

In post 620, Formerfish wrote:Scum wouldnt kill me because they are going to push me for the hammer, which is why I made it.

--can't tell if I'm watching something really sloppy and stupid go down or if someone is doing something really smart. There's no in between. I will be intentionally vague on this for --

In post 639, the worst wrote:

In post 636, Formerfish wrote:

In post 634, the worst wrote:that is literally "I don't like your behaviour rn therefore you are aligned with the mafia". you also then think datisi was aligned with the mafia. take a step backwards and try harder Fishy. I don't believe town!you gets so caught up about such a silly thing.

Dont talk down to me about my play, thats not going to end well for you in this game.

You dont realize that you are the donkey at the table and my cards are the nuts. Fold or go all in big guy.

What do you think I'm doing? I looked at your ISO, see an absence of towntells, some real slimy looking stuff, and I think you're scum for it.

My 3 townreads off my rushed catchup are now all confirmed town. if you're town I'm not even close to "99% incorrect"; so I need you to show me. Please cut out the bravado dude. I'll cool it too. We've had too many good games together to play the defamation game.

ducky don't see it. good I think.

In post 647, Formerfish wrote:I think that there is enough in my iso for you to have to knowingly ignore what is in there to come to the conclusion you have come to.

Like blind people would be able to figure out what I did before you will.

I... okay.

In post 648, Formerfish wrote:Ducky, iso me, and actually look at all my posts. If you still cant figure it out, come back and vote me because you arent town.

this literally makes no sense.

In post 674, Formerfish wrote:

In post 670, JacksonVirgo wrote:

In post 669, Formerfish wrote:

In post 668, JacksonVirgo wrote:From my current point of view, FF seems like the scummiest person here; if you have a problem deal with it
VOTE: Formerfish

Ahh, you guys smell that?

Its a scum claim.

Ducky/JV for the win!

Yeah, if you want to blindly believe that go-ahead scum

Remember when you called me scum on day 1 and i told you you were going to feel silly about that eventually?

Have you also not been reading the thread? I haven't been subtle at all about what I am, and with you being the 2nd person to vote me like that it shows that you are a newbscum who is playing poorly because you have no where good to push, so you push me as lhf.

Good job playing totally on the surface and not bothering to look at anything more in depth.

definitely need to re-ISO JV to draw a conclusion from this interaction

In post 678, Formerfish wrote:

In post 676, JacksonVirgo wrote:stupidly mislynch me

Right cause youve done so much to help us progress here.

Youve been tunneled on me since day 1

and

refuse to look at my iso to see what I am telling you youre missing.

That sounds very scum motivated to me and lacks any kind of town motivation at all.

In post 684, Formerfish wrote:I wonder if ducky and jv are huddled in the scum pt right now trying to figure out what their next move is?

I just called them both on the carpet and put out some fairly decent reasons to suspect them individually and as a team.

The fact that they both come out and attack me and only me is telling as fuck.

Also, the way that ducky dipped and then Junior Varsity came out like he had some bees in his britches and voted me and then disappeared is funny as well.

Its like ducky went back the scum pt with some knots on his head from taking a pummmeling from me and tagged Junior Varsity into the game and then he quickly got dispatched as well.

Anyone else wanna step up or is town smart enough to realize what i was doing and who i am?

should... I... say it? is this a challenge?

--if FF is town I think he's pulling like a reverse gambit of something I did recently as town, I suppose it can come from scum too but I see where his head is at if I'm right--

In post 699, Formerfish wrote:Like i dont even want to deal with JV or ducky right now because i feel like neither of them are engaging with me in good faith right now.

this is at least consistent with his request for them to ISO him, which I think neither have obliged.

In post 704, the worst wrote:

Spoiler: fish

In post 646, the worst wrote:

In post 640, Formerfish wrote:What was i in the Ali treestump game, did you read me correctly there?

Yes, then no, then yes, then I suspected you were vig - overall I did fine. You showed some stuff there that's outside of your scumrange and I think your interactions with Chibz here miiiiight have blocked you from exhibiting similar tells here but regardless: I don't think you've done a thing outside your scumrange. And I don't think what you *have* done is actually all that towny.

In post 640, Formerfish wrote:What are my town tells to you? Because I havent seen you show a proficiency in reading me at all bro.

I'm not interested enough in meta to claim proficiency in reading. I believe that we're friends and I'd rather have a sincere straightforward conversation about what we're seeing here, rather than what we've both been doing: if we're t/t, there's a respectful way to have this conversation without either of us being alien.

Do you think you've shown towntells here which I should have picked up on? (particularly given my dubious proficiency in reading you)

pedit: what he said
UNVOTE:

In post 649, the worst wrote:Again not claiming god reads off a rushed catchup - I like to think my townreads are quite good when I do them firsthand but it can be hard to tell scum from people who aren't doing towny things. if you think I should be seeing something specific point it out - otherwise I'm happy to interact with my nulls and resume this later.

In post 654, the worst wrote:We can resume it when I FEEL LIKE IT fishy

In post 663, the worst wrote:Fishy
chill

we got other slots to handle

In post 696, the worst wrote:

In post 687, Formerfish wrote:How did ducky have such a good townread on that slot when he has admitted his reads are shit so far?

bruh my townreads have been 3/3 so far
like mechanically

not even close to shit: just not confident on the balance. if you wanna sell me that you're town, hmu.

gonna need you to play the game without this confbias nonsense fam bc it's impossible to read you thru it. suspect our 1v1 resolves itself by d3 like clockwork.

these are all attempts to engage with you about the game in good faith rather than trying to advance a pissing contest, Fishy. I don't feel any more onus to "engage with you in [better] faith". If I'm wrong on you and you don't feel it's fair, I'd really enjoy working with you again. I'm not really enjoying your tact this phase.

pedit: I have limited interest in your ISO but will do a reread when I have more time/when it's more urgent to sort you accurately. If we're both town we have a pool to find two scum in. If we scumread each other we have partner hunting to do. There's more important stuff here.

Do you think I'm smart town when I need to be?

okay Ducky FF can definitely be TvS. Though that will be explained by the end of this phase anyway.

In post 706, the worst wrote:

HAHAHAHAHAHA

In post 707, the worst wrote:I forgot eth0s is in this game tbh

I wasn't in the game, now I am.

In post 716, teacher wrote:

In post 677, JacksonVirgo wrote:The guilty check could easily be a bluff dude

This is suuuuuper weird. Like I said this:

In post 276, teacher wrote:a cop doesn’t want to claim [an inno] D2 so they aren’t killed/roleblocked N2. But they also want town to know of an innocent result on D3 even if they are killed N2

And this:

In post 628, teacher wrote:Some mech speak that I’m going to be quoting several times this phase: doc on me, and stay hidden, If we have one. If I die, town knows we are in column C and there is no other pr. If I live, town knows we are in A and I was RBed. Mason, keeper, tracker, fan, cop, feel free to counterclaim

So I’m your mind there is a legit possibility I outted myself as cop (a claim that gets countered in every single setup) with an inno just for the giggles?

I'm trying to think of a way to word this...
so like. scum!You wouldn't do something like that because it inevitably results in your death if lying.
but also scum!JV doesn't say it could be a bluff for the same reason.
But teacher is SE and less likely to make this mistake as scum.
So if either of them is scum it's JV. but it could still be newbtown.

"with an inno just for the giggles?" but it's a guilty you claimed, explicitly not an inno.
unless teacher is saying the outcome (guilty vs inno) was the "bluff" JV is talking about, and not the roleclaim itself?
but that actually doesn't make sense.
shit I should have waited to smoke probably
just disregard this probably unless you can explain wtf I'm missing

In post 726, JacksonVirgo wrote:@FF I have no idea what you expected me to find after reading your ISO, whether you put it down as being new or otherwise, you just progressively got cockier and had no real input outside of saying bugspray unintentionally claimed VT and threw shade at my readlist

baby steps

In post 730, the worst wrote:problem w this is JV is being completely earnest and that still doesn't tell me anything further abt his alignment

I just want to take this opportunity to say that I do not know what the fuck is going on anymore

In post 735, Formerfish wrote:VOTE: Ethos

Scum content to not do anything while town beats the shit out of each other because scum isnt around to beat up.

JV is still scum.

nooo don't vote me you're so sexy aha

In post 750, JacksonVirgo wrote:

In post 749, teacher wrote:JV, care to join fuzzy on the readslist assignment, and also answer this?

In post 716, teacher wrote:So I’m your mind there is a legit possibility I outted myself as cop (a claim that gets countered in every single setup) with an inno just for the giggles?

I'll get to the readlist after my exam in half an hour, but I think there is a possibility that you as a Mason or similar said that to gain reads or the like but then are easily able to confirm otherwise so you're not mislynched. I should probably have elaborated that earlier but oh well.

In post 751, Formerfish wrote:

In post 677, JacksonVirgo wrote:The guilty check could easily be a bluff dude

So to be clear. You think that teacher could be a mason who bluffed a result as a cop to gain reads and for some reason you called out the guilty as a bluff even though you think that if he's bluffing he's still town.

So why call out the bluff if you think it's a town motivated bluff? Why not let the Gambit run its course and see what we get from it?

this whole conversation should have never happened
and once it did happen it should have been killed with fire
but it didn't get killed with fire
and now we are here.

In post 764, JacksonVirgo wrote:You seem confident you can be confirmed easily, so my thoughts on a scum team would be ethos and fuz.
If you are bluffing then it'd be ethos you

woah woah hold the phone explain this right now please