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Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 1:07 pm
by EspressoPatronum
In post 788, TemporalLich wrote: In post 787, EspressoPatronum wrote:Explain exactly why you think it's scummy. It looks like you're just an opportunist hopping on my wagon.
It seems like you're throwing shade at Menalque and I have a feeling you're hard defending Elbirn with a fake reason despite
695 obviously not being a scumslip.
You had also
just
said Elbirn could be town, but then you accused me of defending Elbirn. What?!
Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 1:10 pm
by TemporalLich
In post 799, EspressoPatronum wrote:This implies there's more than 763 that caused you to think I'm scum. What posts are they and why do you think they're scummy?
For the sake of answering this question I will ignore your scummy posts after the fact.
783 doesn't gel with me as it seems you're trying to prematurely claim.
764 feels like a reaction instead of a case.
748 is trying to self-meta.
pedit: I said you were defending Elbirn with a fake reason. As in I believe you're just trying to make Elbirn look towny instead of showing how Elbirn is towny.
Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 1:21 pm
by EspressoPatronum
In post 801, TemporalLich wrote:
pedit: I said you were defending Elbirn with a fake reason. As in I believe you're just trying to make Elbirn look towny instead of showing how Elbirn is towny.
Do you think Elbirn made a scum slip in that post?
If you don't think it's a scum slip, you have the exact same reason as me.
If you do think it was a scum slip, why do you think it was?
Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 1:25 pm
by EspressoPatronum
In post 801, TemporalLich wrote: In post 799, EspressoPatronum wrote:This implies there's more than 763 that caused you to think I'm scum. What posts are they and why do you think they're scummy?
For the sake of answering this question I will ignore your scummy posts after the fact.
783 doesn't gel with me as it seems you're trying to prematurely claim.
It doesn't SEEM like I'm trying to claim. I'm making very obvious I'm ready to claim if people want me to.
Even if you were right, how does a premature claim mean I'm scummy?
764 feels like a reaction instead of a case.
Because it
is
a reaction, not a case. Why is that scummy?
748 is trying to self-meta.
Mena already said I'm meta-aware, and that's coming from games in which I was town. What about me self-metaing is scummy?
Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 1:26 pm
by EspressoPatronum
@TL - This is the flimsiest case against me I've ever seen. It'd be more believable if you just quoted Mena's case on me.
Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 1:28 pm
by TemporalLich
I think by "despite 695 obviously not being a scumslip" you should know that I don't think that was a scumslip because it's uh heavily implied.
Premature claims can be seen as scum if you're trying to get others to claim especially. Otherwise it's a pretty bad move regardless of alignment.
The reaction seems a bit weak and I wouldn't consider it towny.
self-meta isn't towny, so it's NAI-scum at worst.
Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 1:29 pm
by EspressoPatronum
Ok I'm signing off for a bit.
TL is obvscum.
It should go without saying that anyone who lolhammers me is claiming scum.... but I've been lolhammered before, so I had to say it.
Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 1:29 pm
by EspressoPatronum
Ok wait nvm, TL gave more evasive answers. Can't sign off yet.
Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 1:34 pm
by Elbirn
UNVOTE:
Don't mind me I'm just a flip flopper
Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 1:38 pm
by EspressoPatronum
In post 805, TemporalLich wrote:I think by "despite 695 obviously not being a scumslip" you should know that I don't think that was a scumslip because it's uh heavily implied.
So if you agree with my reasoning on it not being a scumslip, why are you attacking me by saying my reasoning was fake? You believe the same thing.
Premature claims can be seen as scum if you're trying to get others to claim especially. Otherwise it's a pretty bad move regardless of alignment.
But I'm not trying to get others to claim. What about my attempt at premature claiming is scummy? Would you agree that it's possible it was just a bad move and not actually scummy?
The reaction seems a bit weak and I wouldn't consider it towny.
How so? Enough with the vague answers - be specific, please. Why was it 'a bit weak'?
self-meta isn't towny, so it's NAI-scum at worst.
But I've already told you (and so has Mena) that I self-meta at times as town, so this must be NAI for me. You're welcome to do your own digging - go ahead and check our my Ruby Mafia game. Pay special attention to D2 and D3, in addition to the neighbourhood thread.
Btw, if you agree that this is NAI, your scum case on me is even weaker.
Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 1:39 pm
by EspressoPatronum
Hey Elbirn, are you online?
Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 1:41 pm
by EspressoPatronum
In post 760, Menalque wrote:I want anyone who thinks EP has done things that are pro-town this game to stand up and tell me what they are now. If they can't do that, I want them to tell me what makes the person they want to lynch today scummier than him. And if they can't do either of those two things then I want their vote on EP.
I want you to tell me how TL is townier than me.
Then I want you to vote TL.
Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 1:43 pm
by TemporalLich
okay I'm just gonna say this post is actually pretty scummy.
You're pushing my lynch even if I'm town, which only makes sense for town if it is a policy lynch or I'm scum even if I'm town.
Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 1:46 pm
by Elbirn
Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 1:48 pm
by EspressoPatronum
In post 812, TemporalLich wrote:okay I'm just gonna say this post is actually pretty scummy.
You're pushing my lynch even if I'm town, which only makes sense for town if it is a policy lynch or I'm scum even if I'm town.
I am Mena's top scumread. If he can't show me why you're townier than me, that makes YOU his top scumread.
Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 1:48 pm
by EspressoPatronum
Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 1:56 pm
by Elbirn
Stupidity is usually town unfortunately
And I think it was determined earlier that TL is playing to his towngame, way back when I unvoted him
Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 1:58 pm
by Elbirn
In post 816, Elbirn wrote:
Stupidity is usually town unfortunately
And I think it was determined earlier that TL is playing to his towngame, way back when I unvoted him
Yeah read the first 10 posts in my ISO and I arrived at a "this man is from the moon" conclusion
Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 2:02 pm
by EspressoPatronum
In post 816, Elbirn wrote:
Stupidity is usually town unfortunately
And I think it was determined earlier that TL is playing to his towngame, way back when I unvoted him
In post 817, Elbirn wrote: In post 816, Elbirn wrote:
Stupidity is usually town unfortunately
And I think it was determined earlier that TL is playing to his towngame, way back when I unvoted him
Yeah read the first 10 posts in my ISO and I arrived at a "this man is from the moon" conclusion
Thanks for this. I'm signing off now, but I'll take a look at his ISO later with this in mind.
Might also be better if I think on it for a night and look at his ISO with fresh eyes.
Until then, he's obvscum imo.
Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 5:56 pm
by schadd_
chemist1422 replaces momo
Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 7:02 pm
by jjh927
EP v TL feels really tvt to me
Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 7:07 pm
by jjh927
For someone who appears to be tunnelling TL, how hard do you think TD is trying to get other people to vote TL?
Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2019 12:39 am
by Chemist1422
hello
Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2019 12:45 am
by Menalque
In post 821, jjh927 wrote:For someone who appears to be tunnelling TL, how hard do you think TD is trying to get other people to vote TL?
Honestly, I’m really thinking you could be scum because you (1) pushed korina!town and (2) are now trying to defend (by moving the focus away from) what is very likely EP!scum
Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2019 4:25 am
by TiphaineDeath
Honestly jj I am conflicted as fuck right now. It seems unlikely that there are two scum in EP-TL-Mena, but that logically means that TL is the scum out of those three, and while my heart wants it EP feels real bad right now. I don't fuckin know man. When I get things wrong i kinda tend to spiral out X_x.