You are correct that she did initially; however, you are incorrect in that she changed her stance. If you read her posts 498 and 589, you will see that.
I think her earlier read was accurate after rereading yesterday.
I’m interested in the EP vote on me.
Then there is more to your vote than “carrying out her wishes” (especially as you are expressly not carrying them out). What did you find on your reread that led to you believing I am Mafia?
As a reminder, I would like this to be answered and your follow up post 787 did not do so. In fact, it results in another question. Why do you feel that my action (of which you presume incorrectly) was a "pocket attempt" and not a result of my explicitly stated Town read?
For Titus to claim a role, then say she is lying and that she is a VT in a role madness game when she realizes her lie can be proven false is possibly the most suspicious thing possible.
Where did Titus claim a role?
Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 2:44 pm
by Sujimichi
Apologies. It was answered. I do more strongly believe I am voting correctly.
Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 2:46 pm
by Sujimichi
In post 800, Titus wrote:Looking at the wagons I see momo/EP and/or EP/pisskop. I scumread all three individually and collectively based on EoD.
Titus is my new strongest Townread. This is also what I concluded from the flow of the wagons.
Titus has been flavor revealed! Her flavor is Look At All Those Chickens.
Two questions for
eyestott
1. Am I correct that RS+mastina's flavour is the underlined portion of their flip?
2. What type of information do you know?
Thus far, I am struggling to see how any of your provided flavour is useful to us.
1: Yes, that is correct.
2: I mentioned it yesterday. I had prior knowledge of the existence of the role that revealed Titus' role last night. I only knew the name of the role, not how it worked.
Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:03 pm
by eyestott
Unless there's another layer to the role that outed Titus last night, I think It may be another role that's essentially Vanilla (like Mastina and myself). Not necessarily town or mafia.
For Titus to claim a role, then say she is lying and that she is a VT in a role madness game when she realizes her lie can be proven false is possibly the most suspicious thing possible.
You said that she was obvtown in your first post. Why is this the conclusion that you jump to?
Perhaps I'm doubting my original reads too much but nobody was voting for RS when I replaced in. I came in, made a case, and he gets lynched. This made me rethink my original reads. Doing some VCA after finding out that RS was town makes the case against Titus stronger as well. Willing to stay on wagons with momentum but timing hops to avoid suspicion. However, ou may be right in pointing out that I'm overreacting. There is inherent towniness to Titus' when it comes to Titus' opening and mastina, who we know to be good at this game and town TRd Titus as well. Honestly, when it comes to this slot IDK. I wanted to get a push to see a reaction but at this point, only time will tell.
In fact, looking at the vote counts alone, the worst offender is gobble. Gobble is simply going onto wagons as they get momentum. He has a high post count, but very few of his posts are truly relevant to the game. At this juncture, I'm incline to VOTE: gobble. Let's see where this goes.
Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:52 pm
by Sujimichi
In post 808, momo wrote:In fact, looking at the vote counts alone, the worst offender is gobble. Gobble is simply going onto wagons as they get momentum.
Would you please break this down for me? When I reviewed them, this is not the conclusion at which I ended up.
You are correct that she did initially; however, you are incorrect in that she changed her stance. If you read her posts 498 and 589, you will see that.
I think her earlier read was accurate after rereading yesterday.
I’m interested in the EP vote on me.
Then there is more to your vote than “carrying out her wishes” (especially as you are expressly not carrying them out). What did you find on your reread that led to you believing I am Mafia?
As a reminder, I would like this to be answered and your follow up post 787 did not do so. In fact, it results in another question. Why do you feel that my action (of which you presume incorrectly) was a "pocket attempt" and not a result of my explicitly stated Town read?
I found the few posts that you did have yesterday were not up to the standard that I have in my mind for Sujimichi!town based on Skyrim uPick. I just felt like your posts there were
filled
with substance. Your posts before today did not carry that same feeling.
I will say since this day has started I do feel better about you being town. I also feel that way for EspressoPatronum, which is relieving. I think the people that I think I have a good grasp on how they play town were not in their groove/zone on Day 1. I started in my groove/zone, but something happened that broke me quite frankly.
I think I am rebuilding my town core now and it is {Churros, Sujimichi, EspressoPatronum}.
Chronos has been dropped, but I don't think that really matters anymore because I feel like they are going to flake out today.
To answer your question about my pocket attempt comment, I feel like with your keen awareness of where you were on Mastina's readslist it would make sense for you to target her with a benign ability like an invention or a fruit. People look more kindly upon those who give them gifts (read: this is a true psychological phenomenon). After thinking about your ability, I do wish that you target me tonight
especially
if you are inventor. Please do not comment further on the accuracy of my speculation. But please reveal if you do wish to target as we approach deadline (is approach an okay word grammar Nazis).
VOTE: Egix96
Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:28 pm
by alimdia
In post 769, Sujimichi wrote:I had something I wanted to give her as she was my strongest town read.
Could you explain why you voted me at the start of the day since it was not due to a result you received?
In post 775, Churros wrote:I don't want to vote Titus yet though, I'm considering who to vote in [Titus, Momo, Pisskop]
I think it would be best to hear from Eyestott re: his information before voting Titus. We know Titus' flavour now, so hopefully Eyestott can help give that some meaning.
Why momo?
@Suji - same to you. Why momo?
The question is, why don't you see why they did momo?
I would have liked that Egix wagon yesterday, but this NK strongly implicates mono
Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:29 pm
by alimdia
In post 769, Sujimichi wrote:I had something I wanted to give her as she was my strongest town read.
Could you explain why you voted me at the start of the day since it was not due to a result you received?
I still SR Titus, and because of mastina kill I might also be looking in [Momo, Pisskop].
I do wonder the chances where this was a fearkill vs mastina was widely town read or another reason though.
First things first. I lied yesterday. I don't have a result. I am just a VT. If that gets me lynched today, so be it. I wasn't about to be flash lynched before the scumreads I thought I had caught.
Now, onto today's scumhunting.
Gobble, my meta is not bus happy at all as scum. I protect my "babies" as scum. Why are you putting forth that idea? Are you prepping for a world where you cannot lynch me but want to discredit my reads?
EP, fair question on the wagonomics. I'll do that when it's not 4 am.
A large reason of why RS was lynched was due to 'his meta', which is now shown to be wrong. I never understand why people use 'meta' in defence or in cases...
Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2020 2:30 am
by Chronos
VOTE: Egix96
Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2020 3:07 am
by Sujimichi
In post 810, gobbledygook wrote:
I found the few posts that you did have yesterday were not up to the standard that I have in my mind for Sujimichi!town based on Skyrim uPick. I just felt like your posts there were
filled
with substance. Your posts before today did not carry that same feeling.
I will say since this day has started I do feel better about you being town. I also feel that way for EspressoPatronum, which is relieving. I think the people that I think I have a good grasp on how they play town were not in their groove/zone on Day 1. I started in my groove/zone, but something happened that broke me quite frankly.
I think I am rebuilding my town core now and it is {Churros, Sujimichi, EspressoPatronum}.
Chronos has been dropped, but I don't think that really matters anymore because I feel like they are going to flake out today.
To answer your question about my pocket attempt comment, I feel like with your keen awareness of where you were on Mastina's readslist it would make sense for you to target her with a benign ability like an invention or a fruit. People look more kindly upon those who give them gifts (read: this is a true psychological phenomenon). After thinking about your ability, I do wish that you target me tonight
especially
if you are inventor. Please do not comment further on the accuracy of my speculation. But please reveal if you do wish to target as we approach deadline (is approach an okay word grammar Nazis).
VOTE: Egix96
Thank you. Would you explain why you think that Egix96 is a better vote than momo?
Apologies, but the reason should be apparent from the opening posts for Day 2.
Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2020 3:09 am
by Sujimichi
In post 812, alimdia wrote:A large reason of why RS was lynched was due to 'his meta', which is now shown to be wrong. I never understand why people use 'meta' in defence or in cases...
Did you intend for this comment to apply to the post of mine you quoted? If so, I'm not sure why.
Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:08 am
by gobbledygook
In post 814, Sujimichi wrote:Would you explain why you think that Egix96 is a better vote than momo?
I am beginning to like momo a little bit. I find their vote on me to be trying to scumhunt, at least.
I don't see that from Egix really.
I would like momo to answer your question about my votes. I would like to see how he came to the conclusion that he came to.
In post 812, alimdia wrote:A large reason of why RS was lynched was due to 'his meta', which is now shown to be wrong. I never understand why people use 'meta' in defence or in cases...
Did you intend for this comment to apply to the post of mine you quoted? If so, I'm not sure why.
Nah just the second post, the first got Q+'ed by mistake
Follow Gobble's votes through these vote counts. There is a clear trend of him hopping onto wagons with momentum. He isn't particularly discrimnatory when it comes to the wagons either. He goes from wanting to lynch my (adorable/momo) slot to voting RS with me, to switching his vote to EP as soon as a wagon starts building on him, and then back when it becomes clear that a hammer is imminent. This doesn't even include his time on the Titus wagon or the slot on the eyestott wagon. I feel zero commitment coming form gobble on any of his reads, and even if his words may say otherwise, his votes make it clear. He is posting with great volume but its mostly meaningless. He doesn't truly care about his reads, the same way scum wouldn't really care about their reads if they were only posting them to pretend to be town.
Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:57 am
by EspressoPatronum
With my suspicion of Egix and gobble, Titus' earlier post is making a lot more sense now:
In post 492, Titus wrote:@EP, That's pointless unless you are suggesting that Gobble and Egix are partners.[...]
I don't think the VCA suggests that at all. Why do you think it does?
Egix looking for a fast lynch otherwise is NAI and time wasting.
Limiting the amount of information generated in D1 (or any day, really) is a net win for scum.
You misinterpreted my question though. I'm asking why you think the VCA could suggest a Gobble + Egix pairing.
Unless Gobble plus Egix is a team, then Egix targeting any wagon is just a playstyle diversion and OMGUS.
If my recollection serves, I don't think gobble went onto Egix yesterday. This would further solidify the fact that Egix and gobble have been avoiding each other's wagons. It's possible he is now bussing Egix.
I'm happy to vote Egix today. If he flips scum, we should seriously consider gobble next.
Titus has been flavor revealed! Her flavor is Look At All Those Chickens.
Two questions for
eyestott
1. Am I correct that RS+mastina's flavour is the underlined portion of their flip?
2. What type of information do you know?
Thus far, I am struggling to see how any of your provided flavour is useful to us.
1: Yes, that is correct.
2: I mentioned it yesterday. I had prior knowledge of the existence of the role that revealed Titus' role last night. I only knew the name of the role, not how it worked.
Ahh I see. I didn't realize 704 was you telling us your informed information.
I guess I was expecting flavour to have more of an impact or some connection to the roles, so I was puzzled with the disconnect between role and flavour thus far.
Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2020 7:05 am
by EspressoPatronum
@gobble why do you now think I am town?
Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2020 7:19 am
by Egix96
In post 767, Sujimichi wrote:Apologies if I am incorrect, but I assumed that you targeted me last night and believe me to have killed mastina as a result.
I find it strange that you think a claimed duplicator could have investigated you.
In post 787, gobbledygook wrote:Suji targeting Mastina with an invention or a fruit seems like a pocket attempt too.
I don't see how this makes sense if the scumteam were killing mastina anyway.
In post 810, gobbledygook wrote:I think the people that I think I have a good grasp on how they play town were not in their groove/zone on Day 1.
I'm quite surprised that this doesn't seem to apply to me.
In post 810, gobbledygook wrote:I feel like with your keen awareness of where you were on Mastina's readslist it would make sense for you to target her with a benign ability like an invention or a fruit. People look more kindly upon those who give them gifts (read: this is a true psychological phenomenon).
Again, mastina died. Perhaps scum would do that in case the kill failed, but then again, why not just give the gift to someone else entirely?
In post 811, alimdia wrote:I would have liked that Egix wagon yesterday, but this NK strongly implicates mono