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Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 4:41 pm
by JKMatthews
Goddammit Titus, you spoke too soon.
I mean, I'm still going to

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Nobody Special

But you really should've let him talk more about the Bob slip.

And you can't make it to lylo because of the giant question mark above your head from everybody else's point of view. You know that whole 'overly formal language' thing you mentioned. You've got it in spades.

Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 4:47 pm
by Nobody Special
P-Edit: This is all toward Titus.


Okay, I understand your linguistic analysis tack. I don't agree with it, and I think you're WAY overthinking
a game,
but I understand.

I meant that CDB has very little interaction with the game
in toto.
I didn't mean any particular interaction at all.

Bob is truly flummoxing me, and it's confounding. We probably should just lynch him just because. :P

And you can't make it to lylo because you're scummy, it's that simple.

Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 4:52 pm
by Titus
I never really considered my language as overly formal. However, if y'all do see it that way, then I do understand why you'd find that suspicious. I consider my speech as the normal way I talk. Feel free to read my ISO in this one and compare it to other games on the site where I am confirmed town (EX: Newbie 1372). You'll find they match.

Also, again with the overthinking. The alleged scum read seems to change on a dime. First, I'm not doing scumhunting at all. Then, I'm overanalyzing. Scum have a huge problem with analyzing at all, but I'm scummy for overanalyzing? This is clearly shifting sands for convenience.

Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 4:54 pm
by Nobody Special
I'm clearly not going to change your mind about me, so.

Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 4:57 pm
by Titus
So what? Finish your thought.

You can change my mind. Contribute thoughts without indicators of deception.

Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 5:11 pm
by Nobody Special
In post 828, Nobody Special wrote:I'm clearly not going to change your mind about me, so
I'll focus elsewhere.

Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 5:22 pm
by JKMatthews
In post 827, Titus wrote:
I never really considered my language as overly formal. However, if y'all do see it that way
, then I do understand why you'd find that suspicious. I consider my speech as the normal way I talk. Feel free to read my ISO in this one and compare it to other games on the site where I am confirmed town (EX: Newbie 1372). You'll find they match.

Also, again with the overthinking. The alleged scum read seems to change on a dime. First, I'm not doing scumhunting at all. Then, I'm overanalyzing. Scum have a huge problem with analyzing at all, but I'm scummy for overanalyzing? This is clearly shifting sands for convenience.
Alarm bells! This game is doing my head in.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Titus

Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 5:38 pm
by Titus
??? What the heck is that?

Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 5:40 pm
by JKMatthews
You're way too careful about your language, including carefully being informal...

Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 5:46 pm
by Titus
You're being paranoid now. I am one of the fastests responders to posts.

Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 5:51 pm
by JKMatthews
Doesn't really prove much...

Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 5:58 pm
by Titus
How can I be so fast to response if I am being so careful about my language. Not possible.

Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 6:13 pm
by Titus
I'm off for the night. Later.

Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 6:59 pm
by DoctorPepper
Titus, why do you want to make it to lylo? lylo is where scum leaves the scummy town players to drive a mislynch. If you're town, you aren't helping, ergo you are a mislynch. If you are scum, then of course we wouldnt want you to be in lylo. Furthermore, the qquestion was besides me, not exclusively besides me and NS, and I would have assumed you answered NS not CDB, which is why its fishy you call me out for being suspicious of Bacde.

Further more, your town read on JKM makes zero sense. And you ignore his role in the yessirree lynch, which even he admits was ending the day early. Your buddying him

VOTE: Titus

We are back to this.

I think CDB has been a bit lurky and apologetic. If Titus flips town, Im willing to go CDB

Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 7:05 pm
by JKMatthews
Let's just say I give you more credit than to have to spend hours deliberating over your phrasing to be able to convey a certain tone.

hey guyz look i didnt even think bout it and my tones heeps diffrent

P-edit: Dr P, it doesn't do you wonders trying to plan out the next lynch 'if Titus flips town'

Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 7:07 pm
by JKMatthews
Dr P - what do you think of me at the moment?

Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 7:18 pm
by DoctorPepper
You? I think youre town. If I think Titus was buddying you, and I think Titus is scum, then you could have inferred that I think you are town.

Why not? If Titus isnt scum, then CDB is a good candidate. If this was TvT scum would just not take a stand watch 2 townies fight.

Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 7:24 pm
by JKMatthews
Yeah, I know, but why? Cos you realise you're also buddying the hell outta me, right?

True, but really everybody but you, me and Titus isn't taking a stand.

Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 7:31 pm
by DoctorPepper
How exactly? I think youre town pretty much because I already game the list of people I can see as scum.

The reason why Titus is buddying you is because he calls you town for this "People who are very active but do not display these indicators will be solid town reads for me. JKM is a perfect example of this IMO. His language is open. His emotions don't fluctuate based on whatever the hell is convenient at the time. He's never referring to people as less than human. His language has never changed between formal language and informal language. Basically, no indicators of deception are present in his speech." Which makes zero sense. She ignores your role in the yessirree lynch which is what she says NS is most scummy for.

The only thing Im doing is calling you town.

Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 7:36 pm
by JKMatthews
If you follow the flow of who I've been suspicious of at what times recently, you seem to follow pretty closely in my stead, except when I went for NS, which lends credence to Titus's theory.

Still... once again it's just easy to be suspicious of active players because there's more to paranoid about... kinda just getting to the point where I want to policy lynch CBD/Bacde and blame it on them if town lose...

Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 7:39 pm
by DoctorPepper
No, I just really dont think NS is scum.

I know this sounds sketchy but if me and NS were scum together, wouldn't I be really stupid for constantly defending NS like that. Blatant buddying?

Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 7:46 pm
by JKMatthews
I don't think it's been that blatant, and you know how WIFOMy that line of reasoning is anyway...

Can you explain to me why you don't think it's even remotely suspect NS saying Bob slipped when it seemed like the line of reasoning was looking lynch-worthy, then changing his mind when there wasn't heaps of traction by saying he'd "thought about it more" (so far it's plausible I suppose),
then
today saying it does seem like a slip again? You're accusing Titus of having a blind spot when it comes to me (quite appropriately), but then you're doing the same to NS?

Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 7:55 pm
by DoctorPepper
Im not saying she has a blind spot. Im saying she literally ignored your role in the yessirree lynch.

Unfortunately, I cant really explain why thats logical. However, one thing I've learned from playing is the fact that sometimes the scummiest players are not scum, and you need to look for not what people post but whether or not their posts have any semblance of town motivation in them. So NS, on the surface looks pretty scummy for vote jumping. But think about it this way, we scrutinize what people post all the time. Scum have censors in them, they are cautious about what they post, so they wouldnt really do things that would get lots of attention.

Aside from the flip flop on Bob, NS has been trying to hunt, which is more thatn I can say for a lot of people

Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 3:07 am
by Titus
I am not ignoring what JKM did at the lynch. I called him on it awhile ago and discussed it. I didn't think his reason was smart but it could have been town so I watched him. To say I ignored it is wrong. Someone says, I take just as much responsibility for something doesn't mean that player is just as scummy. Players havr their own motivations.

Dr. Pepper's post is pretty much scum wouldn't be scummy because it would attract attention. Attracting attention isn't universally bad if the scummy player is persuasive enough or if the reason scum attracted attention is very protown (bussing for instance).

This post is exactly the separation I mentioned scum would try to do. Notice he says a lot of people aren't hunting but doesn't specify you, leaving you to fill in thd gaps.. Channel's asleep but Pebro seems to be hunting. Bacde needs a prod but seems to be hunting. Bob hunts in the posts he has. NS has been hunting me alone for the most part.

Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 1:22 pm
by DoctorPepper
Didnt I say I thought Bacde was town? And that he took a position on this fight?