Open 527 - Hard Boiled: Dixon Hill's Maudlin Madness

[Bert]

i have no words for how absolutely horrible this lynch was

love, you're a terrible actor <3

for 500 Alex

Who is this to?

[Cait Sith]

for 500 Alex

Who is this to?

Mr. Trebek

[Cait Sith]

1)

Vote: SalmonellaDoctor

2)

you sound like robotic scum.

if you're not, show me you're not.

but you'd have to do it without me thinking you're trying to manipulate me, wherein lies the difficulty as I'm already going to be predisposed to think everything you say is you trying to manipulate me when you're scum.

I'm going to come back tomorrow, catch up in other games. We'll continue dancing then.

I'd take the time to figure out a way to be manipulative in which I don't think you're being manipulative too if I were you. It's gonna be hard though as I already had a scum read on you before your strange push and posts. But, I'm sure you can test the limits of your creativity and see just how easy is tammy to manipulate.

But, in a show of good faith, because I do love dancing I'll

UNVOTE:

it's still there in spirit, but let's see what ya got.

[Bert]

But, in a show of good faith, because I do love dancing I'll

Mala/Tammy you are far too kind <3

[VioleNt Saxophone]

I would love to wait for a moment before a lynch goes through

because I for one don't really understand the reason behind the Fairy lynch

[VioleNt Saxophone]

GIF, why are you depending on others to read TIP?

last I remember, you weren't to incredibly bad at reading him

TIP, hold on to your vote for now until I get a feel for where we are at

pretty please

or, actually

VOTE: Cephrir

this one could be followed

[VioleNt Saxophone]

also, Tammy

could you give something that isn't burden of proficiency (Ok, you've got Nacho being robotic sounding, but that's about all I can see). I mean, I get that you expect certain people as town to see you as town, but I think you might be a little unrealistic in your attack on Nacho and I think that they are town.

I've looked through your Iso, you're pretty obviously town now I think but, I don't think Nachoscum would attack Tammytown because he knows of your expectations of him

[Sound of Silence]

GIF, why are you depending on others to read TIP?

last I remember, you weren't to incredibly bad at reading him

That post you are referring to wasn't GiF. And yeah I think he's good at reading TiP. As are you. And Cabd.

GiF thinks that TiP is capable of faking the too dumb to be scum stuff based on meta (Mainstream game, mainly). And we both saw him do some "too dumb to be scum" stuff in the newbie game I replaced into that just ended.

We're not ruling him out as scum atm but he's not at the top of our list.

[Cait Sith]

But, in a show of good faith, because I do love dancing I'll

Mala/Tammy you are far too kind <3

I try to tell people that I'm a fucking sweetheart, they just don't always listen.

[Ms Marangal]

Anyway so if this is tippy's towngame...
SD/TF scumteam!
Game solved.

This was you Ffery?

because this post kinda gave me the slight vibe that he is depending on others to read TIP

[VioleNt Saxophone]

Anyway so if this is tippy's towngame...
SD/TF scumteam!
Game solved.

This was you Ffery?

because this post kinda gave me the slight vibe that he is depending on others to read TIP

[Bert]

I try to tell people that I'm a fucking sweetheart, they just don't always listen.

you are the most vicious of sweethearts in the Sweet Heartland <3

[Sound of Silence]

Anyway so if this is tippy's towngame...
SD/TF scumteam!
Game solved.

This was you Ffery?

because this post kinda gave me the slight vibe that he is depending on others to read TIP

No that was GiF. I thought you were talking about an earlier post. We'd been talking about TiP before GiF made that post.

[Cait Sith]

also, Tammy

could you give something that isn't burden of proficiency (Ok, you've got Nacho being robotic sounding, but that's about all I can see). I mean, I get that you expect certain people as town to see you as town, but I think you might be a little unrealistic in your attack on Nacho and I think that they are town.

I've looked through your Iso, you're pretty obviously town now I think but, I don't think Nachoscum would attack Tammytown because he knows of your expectations of him

The thing is nacho!scum has attacked me before. He's also defended me before. I don't put anything past nacho!scum. And sure if things were existing in a vacuum, he'd probs not but you're not looking at the whole picture here. Look at the people in this game, you all play with each other often and can read each other. Lets say he's scum, his options are limited for who he can push here. He needs at least two mislynches to win the game. I'd expect he's likely to push his partner and then he needs two others.

We've got tip who everyone mostly is reading hard town.
Is he going to get a mislynch on the SOS hydra? Hardly. The only person worried about them is cephrir.
I don't see him trying to push a mislynch on you guys if you're town.
Bert's being read as strong town by everyone so that's a no go there too.

Who's left?
SD - who is highly suspected
Cephrir - who does have some suspicion on him and hasn't made a strong town showing as far as some are concerned.
Us - Bert was originally suspicious of us, you guys have been kinda wobbly on your read of us, and SOS didn't express a town read of us and neither has tip. It doesn't matter that I would expect nacho to pick up on the clues that I'm town, what matters is that in the pool of town, my mislynch would be easier to affect than others.

And it's not that he had to work me out. I know that he doesn't think my scum game is as horrible as I think it is, or he's just being nice. But as he went through the game last night, his town reads were just too easy. And his people he needed to work out were too convenient. If he needed to work me out, he damn sure needed to work out others. But also look at the way he tried to work me out. It wasn't thoughtful or conscientious at all. He pulled up a few things that he could try to make look scummy and discounted the things that should have him feeling good about me. Look at the nitpicky things he picked out. It just doesn't make sense to me at all.

[Syryana]

Votecount Child, Please

Trolling Fairy ( 3 ): Cephrir, Bert, SalmonellaDoctor (L-2)
SalmonellaDoctor ( 2 ): Trolling Fairy, Sound of Silence
Cephrir ( 1 ): Violent Saxophone
Not Voting ( 2 ): TheIrishPope, Cait Sith

With 8 alive, 5 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2013-09-23 00:30:00)

[Sound of Silence]

Anyway so if this is tippy's towngame...
SD/TF scumteam!
Game solved.

This was you Ffery?

because this post kinda gave me the slight vibe that he is depending on others to read TIP

More like
"o hai ur calling tippy town? then ur scum fmpov!"

[Cephrir]

I definitely feel like TF needed to find some direction to go in that wasn't SD and was clutching to find something. I'm the easiest choice probably, but their reasons for suspecting me are kinda bullshit ("he's not playing to his town meta or his scum meta"? Really?).

If SD OR TF is scum, they basically have no choice but to lynch me at some point, because no one else looks like they're going anywhere.

[TheIrishPope]

I have never ever ever used the "too dumb to be scum" play since the cult game
GIF is probably scum

[VioleNt Saxophone]

First off
UNVOTE: Cephrir
No.

Fucking no.

Hell fucking no.

Anyway VOTE: SD

Make the rest of my post on my phone later. Back to Sons of Anarchy.

[VioleNt Saxophone]

Went to sleep.

>.>

Also don't remember what else I wanted to post so whatever.

[Trolling Fairy]

love, you're a terrible actor <3

When I'm frustrated, I get quiet. I've never been the type to yell when angry (unless I'm really, really angry and mafia will never make me feel that way) so it was more disappointment in Tammy for not even responding to what I thought was a quickhammer on me. Didn't end up being a quickhammer because Cabd can't count and I forgot how many to lynch, but it sure as hell felt like one.

But, I'm sure you can test the limits of your creativity and see just how easy is tammy to manipulate.

I think I'm done trying weird shit for today.

But, in a show of good faith, because I do love dancing I'll

Mala/Tammy you are far too kind <3

you never went back through the game like you said you would
we were supposed to go back through this together, but you got caught up in nacho-scum fever.

But also look at the way he tried to work me out. It wasn't thoughtful or conscientious at all. He pulled up a few things that he could try to make look scummy and discounted the things that should have him feeling good about me. Look at the nitpicky things he picked out. It just doesn't make sense to me at all.

Before today, you didn't do anything that was unfakeable as scum. You were holding back in most places except for the Mara exchange, and then there was pretty much nothing to work with. Meaning sure, you were *probably* town, but I wanted more than what you put in the thread because I wanted to see the stuff that you can't replicate as scum. That results in me grabbing some nitpicky things, forcing you to respond to them, finding if I can find a few good points I feel good about. That's how I make cases; I throw a quote stripe wall full of a lot of weak comments mixed with some good ones, separate the good from the weak, then pursue.

[Cait Sith]

But also look at the way he tried to work me out. It wasn't thoughtful or conscientious at all. He pulled up a few things that he could try to make look scummy and discounted the things that should have him feeling good about me. Look at the nitpicky things he picked out. It just doesn't make sense to me at all.

Before today, you didn't do anything that was unfakeable as scum. You were holding back in most places except for the Mara exchange, and then there was pretty much nothing to work with. Meaning sure, you were *probably* town, but I wanted more than what you put in the thread because I wanted to see the stuff that you can't replicate as scum. That results in me grabbing some nitpicky things, forcing you to respond to them, finding if I can find a few good points I feel good about. That's how I make cases; I throw a quote stripe wall full of a lot of weak comments mixed with some good ones, separate the good from the weak, then pursue.

You mean I stretched for this load of weak crap? I'm a sad sad dancer. There was no "holding back". The game started on Sunday. We jumped in and had interactions and if you were like oh Tammy can replicate this, why weren't you trying to read Mala? Why weren't you interacting with the Mala/Mara and by extension me spat? Why didn't that give you a read on Mala? Day one ended Wednesday afternoon. We jumped in pretty well day one, we both were bothered by Bert in his Shodan persona and mentioned it. We both were leaning town on NS. He got lynched before either of us could really discuss with each other why and push for that. You can't blame us for NS getting lynched in the time when neither of us were in the thread. In fact, we wouldn't have been able to do much to save him anyway, the day before when we briefly talked about it, we couldn't even explain to each other why we were reading ns as town. As it turns out we were both modding a game with ns scum in it. Mala's game ended the night before the lynch and she posted a link to it for me to review when I was sleeping. My game didn't end until after he was lynched. The most of what we got to do was me acknowledge the next day that she sent it and I would look at it. Her to let me know she had a break and that she thought he was town not long after he was hammered. You're coming after us for not saving ns from a crusade in which he was lynched way sooner than he should have been and hammered by a newbie just reeks. And then day two was like what two hours long? Day three had me immediately joining in and giving my updated thoughts as well, so step off with the holding back business.

I like my theory much better in which you gave easy town reads and convenient need to work on reads because that makes more sense to me. How is the sax hydra not doing anything that gives you pause that you're giving them a town pass for. Do you really think that little of jiffy's scum game that you think he can't have done what he's done as scum? Or Mara? Come on Nacho.

Oh and I *did* do something I can't replicate as scum.

When I'm frustrated, I get quiet. I've never been the type to yell when angry (unless I'm really, really angry and mafia will never make me feel that way) so it was more disappointment in Tammy for not even responding to what I thought was a quickhammer on me. Didn't end up being a quickhammer because Cabd can't count and I forgot how many to lynch, but it sure as hell felt like one.

why were you disappointed? i knew it wasn't a hammer as it was one of those rare instances where i was actually keeping track of a vote count.

[Trolling Fairy]

You mean I stretched for this load of weak crap? I'm a sad sad dancer. There was no "holding back". The game started on Sunday.

The game started Sunday, the game was a very short game. You didn't have the opportunity to town it up, and I didn't have the confidence that it wasn't something you could do as scum.

if you were like oh Tammy can replicate this, why weren't you trying to read Mala?

You're the player I can read better.

You can't blame us for NS getting lynched in the time when neither of us were in the thread.

You're right; I can't. Thank god I didn't.

In fact, we wouldn't have been able to do much to save him anyway, the day before when we briefly talked about it, we couldn't even explain to each other why we were reading ns as town. As it turns out we were both modding a game with ns scum in it. Mala's game ended the night before the lynch and she posted a link to it for me to review when I was sleeping. My game didn't end until after he was lynched. The most of what we got to do was me acknowledge the next day that she sent it and I would look at it. Her to let me know she had a break and that she thought he was town not long after he was hammered.

I had no way of knowing any of this before, and there's no reason to expect me to.

Day three had me immediately joining in and giving my updated thoughts as well, so step off with the holding back business.

Again, you did your share; you didn't lurk or anything like that. But you also didn't establish yourself as an untouchable protown entity by the end of Day 1 like you usually do. In #YOLOville, you were town as fuck by the end of day 1. In Empire's game, same deal. In Stack the Deck you weren't so incredibly town but you were my top town read by the end of the day so when you aren't being praised by everyone as town god by the end of Day 1, of course I'm going to prod you a bit.

Do you really think that little of jiffy's scum game that you think he can't have done what he's done as scum? Or Mara? Come on Nacho.

No, but I don't think those two are easy to sort. I think you usually are easy to sort when the effort is put into actually sorting you.

Oh and I *did* do something I can't replicate as scum.

I think you could make the accident as scum. I don't think it would be purposeful as either alignment, and I don't think you'd push it as a townslip if you made that mistake as scum, but I know that you're suddenly not incapable of making mistakes because you have a town role PM.

[VioleNt Saxophone]

Stating intent to hammer the Nacho. This doesn't feel like his town self.

[Bert]

Nacho's at lynch -2

Guessing this is the Jiffy

Bert approves of your potential hammer though

<3