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Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 3:53 am
by Taly
I mean, I'm not going to demonize people who use that as strategy, intentionally or unintentionally, and I won't blacklist them.

Hell, even saying I'm bitter would be a stretch. Just a bit bruised.

But it's not how I roll in mafia.

Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 3:56 am
by Dwlee99
I don't think having blow-ups is appropriate for the game anyway, so having it used as a strategy makes it feel icky. I guess that's a better way of describing what I find wrong about it.

Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 3:58 am
by Taly
Yeah, that's what I mean :)

Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 3:58 am
by PookyTheMagicalBear
if Peta is scum with HQ and Peta is trying to mimic his town meta, he kind of has to treat HQ the same way he would if he were town - which would be to bury her ruthlessly.

I don't think there's anything wrong with what he did there if he is scum with her.

If they are S/S I don't think they strategized it out, sometimes things just happen.

Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 4:01 am
by Taly
That's true. But
Gemerald
,
peta
had a lot of
arguments to suggest he was town rather than that.

So even if it weren't planned and
peta
was sincere and vying for his wincon, it doesn't sit right with me.

But I still think
peta
is likelier town here.

Dwlee
, do you hydra?

Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 4:02 am
by ulyana
if scum/scum i think it probably arose from an ‘i am going to bus you’ ‘no don’t bus me’ ‘i am going to bus you’ type situation

though this doesn’t seem all that likely to me

and would be far from the most objectionable occurrence this game

Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 4:02 am
by Taly
In post 829, Taly wrote:But Gemerald was right imo, peta had a lot of
arguments to suggest he was town rather than that.
Damn phone

Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 4:07 am
by ulyana
In post 820, Dwlee99 wrote:Forcing scum to kill is always the correct play here. Gonna be disappointed if they don't.
now it is all three who have posted - at least two of which must be town - i, don’t understand, is a button town should always press

Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 4:09 am
by PookyTheMagicalBear
maybe they are too tired and can't see straight anymore

Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 4:14 am
by Taly
That's also possible

Shit this was a heavy game

Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 4:15 am
by PookyTheMagicalBear
In post 826, Dwlee99 wrote:I don't think having blow-ups is appropriate for the game anyway, so having it used as a strategy makes it feel icky. I guess that's a better way of describing what I find wrong about it.

I think if you draw a line where doing ___ as town is acceptable but doing the same thing as mafia is unacceptable, it just creates imbalances in the game.

I do recognize some players are unwilling to do certain things as mafia that they are willing to do as town but imo that is somewhat unfair for the players involved as it creates clears where there really should not be clears.

Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 4:16 am
by Taly
Pooky do u hydraaaaa

Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 4:21 am
by PookyTheMagicalBear
also the way the fight went down in the thread

and skitter didn't say anything the whole time

then HQ repped out

then skitter repped out

I don't think that happens unless Peta is fighting with HQ in the scum PT about how to play that game.

Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 4:21 am
by PookyTheMagicalBear
In post 836, Taly wrote:Pooky do u hydraaaaa

I'm very bad at it !

Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 4:22 am
by PookyTheMagicalBear
also the way peta says skitter tried to murder him

feels very performative/fake

like she didn't really try to kill him lol it's not like she can predict 2 votes would actually go through.

Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 4:27 am
by ulyana


(scene i am trying to link begins at ~10 minutes - can’t figure out how to get youtube to give me a timestamped link on my phone nor do i know if that would even be embeddable here)

Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 4:31 am
by ulyana
weary

Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 4:33 am
by PookyTheMagicalBear
this game feels like one where if you've been playing since the beginning you will have lost all the spoons by now and just want it to be over.

Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 4:47 am
by Galron
Pooky can hydra. Don't let him fool you.

Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 4:51 am
by Galron
In post 840, ulyana wrote:(scene i am trying to link begins at ~10 minutes - can’t figure out how to get youtube to give me a timestamped link on my phone nor do i know if that would even be embeddable here)
That's about perfect.

Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 4:52 am
by Titus
Mechanically, town should stop the clock and eliminate someone.

Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 4:54 am
by Titus
No wait, they can't vote for that unless they know who scum is.

If they miss, X gets a nightkill and it's over.

Tick away is the right play.

Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 4:57 am
by Titus
X would kill A while I would kill B, willing to take the risk X is seeing.

Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 4:58 am
by PookyTheMagicalBear
there's no difference between voting 1 person out and sending a coalition of 2 to ring the bell.

they should however use the no-lim to narrow the pool

Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 5:13 am
by Dwlee99
In post 829, Taly wrote:That's true. But
Gemerald
,
peta
had a lot of
arguments to suggest he was town rather than that.

So even if it weren't planned and
peta
was sincere and vying for his wincon, it doesn't sit right with me.

But I still think
peta
is likelier town here.

Dwlee
, do you hydra?
I have hydra'd before but it's been a while
In post 835, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 826, Dwlee99 wrote:I don't think having blow-ups is appropriate for the game anyway, so having it used as a strategy makes it feel icky. I guess that's a better way of describing what I find wrong about it.

I think if you draw a line where doing ___ as town is acceptable but doing the same thing as mafia is unacceptable, it just creates imbalances in the game.

I do recognize some players are unwilling to do certain things as mafia that they are willing to do as town but imo that is somewhat unfair for the players involved as it creates clears where there really should not be clears.
I understand what you're saying. At least personally, I'm not willing to have a fight like that as any alignment, and I think that's a good line to draw