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VE said L-1 was good enough. I think your vote's misplaced.

In post 846, Deras wrote:That said, I agree with you in most things, GM seems to be going after Frop, while VE seems to be going after Z, neither is taking into account the whole slot imo.

NOPE
I am saying that I personally don't think Z has done anything too outlandishly scummy except a little bit of badtiming on vote changes, but that the outlandish scumminess of Fro means I maintain a strong scumread on that slot.

This really bothers me considering that back when Casey was all "I'll give you reads laters, lol nope", GM was trying to deflect attention from him, and I always felt a bit suspicious about it.

Again, NOPE
I never tried to deflect attention from him even a little bit. Please demonstrate where you think I did so.

This VE wagon is BAD BAD BAD and I intend to be INCREDIBLY RAGE if it goes through

SO RAGE THAT I ACCIDENTALLY THE GRAMMAR

In post 848, fferyllt wrote:I do not like the VE bandwagon one teensy tinesy bit.

THIS THIS THIS

PEDIT: DERAS YOU ARE SILLY
ASKING FOR EVENTUAL COMPROMISE VOTE =/= ASKING FOR HAMMER

In post 842, VisceraEyes wrote:What a strange triangle of strangitude going on between GM/AA/Z7. Any two of them are willing to lynch the last. That's important somehow. :/

Yeah, I'm fully rereading tonight guys.

it will beyond strange if all of them turn out to be town...
at least i am sure about myself...

I think GM is scummier, yes, but I still think VE is her partner. Besides, VE is only at L-2, which is the same as Z, so I'd rather lynch VE than Z.

I'd be willing to switch my vote over to GM if there was any traction there though, voting for her right now feels like voting green party.

UGH AA

STOP CHALLENGING MY PERCEPTIONS OF YOU

UGH DERAS

STOP BEING FE'S SECOND HAND AND START THINKING LOGICALLY

Mainly intended my vote to make VE do a full re-read, because it was patently clear he hadn't. Given that he was pretty much up to bat and we were waiting on him, I can see it coming from a Townie just as much as a scum, especially as he's now admitted my main accusation.

VOTE: goodmorning for Deras. I've voted Libertarian for President (USA) on many occasions interestingly enough.

CAPITALS MAKE ME MORE RIGHT

People I will not vote today, even if it would be as a compromise: VE, ff, Deras
People I would vote today as a compromise only: AA9, Rev
People I would happily vote today: Z, Fe, Mac


PEDIT: CAPSLOCK FOREVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
DON'T BE A DICKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

In post 853, Deras wrote:I think GM is scummier, yes, but I still think VE is her partner. Besides, VE is only at L-2, which is the same as Z, so I'd rather lynch VE than Z.

I'd be willing to switch my vote over to GM if there was any traction there though, voting for her right now feels like voting green party.

Riddle me this. If VE and GM are the scum team, why would VE come into the game and upset the AA9 apple-cart with just over 2 days to go?

Warming up to an Eye wagon, actually.

FFFFFFFF
KEEP ON KEEPIN' ON
YOU ARE SUPER COOL
KEEP IT UP
AND STUFF

In post 851, goodmorning wrote:I never tried to deflect attention from him even a little bit. Please demonstrate where you think I did so.

In post 90, goodmorning wrote:I unvoted Carey because even though it is a decent vote theory-wise, it's useless to pressure someone who's not going to see that he's being pressured.

In post 94, goodmorning wrote:Besides that, Carey is usually pretty easy to read if you glance at his past games, so even if he doesn't post a lot there's still something to go on.

In post 170, goodmorning wrote:The similar push on Carey is giving me a hella Townread on him now

In post 363, goodmorning wrote:Carey - in addition to not having said much to find scummy, the speed and volume of policy suspicion on him makes me suspect that he may be Town.

In post 851, goodmorning wrote:This VE wagon is BAD BAD BAD and I intend to be INCREDIBLY RAGE if it goes through

Wish granted,

P-edit: GM, Convince me then. I've read the case against Z and I don't find it enough. What do you mean Fe and Mac? I'd honestly think you'd go for AA9 before them

In post 858, fferyllt wrote:

In post 853, Deras wrote:I think GM is scummier, yes, but I still think VE is her partner. Besides, VE is only at L-2, which is the same as Z, so I'd rather lynch VE than Z.

I'd be willing to switch my vote over to GM if there was any traction there though, voting for her right now feels like voting green party.

Riddle me this. If VE and GM are the scum team, why would VE come into the game and upset the AA9 apple-cart with just over 2 days to go?

In post 846, Deras wrote:One of the things I have against this GM/VE scum partners theory is that it would've just been easier to lynch AA9, but maybe they're saving her for lynch or lose? (which, if she's town, wouldn't be a bad idea, considering the way she's been playing). OR, it's VE/AA9 and VE just did the save of the game getting AA9 out of the fire.

In post 854, goodmorning wrote:UGH AA

STOP CHALLENGING MY PERCEPTIONS OF YOU

UGH DERAS

STOP BEING FE'S SECOND HAND AND START THINKING LOGICALLY

Bring it on GM, I know you're scum again...and i can't wait to show it to you everyone.

In post 862, Deras wrote:

In post 858, fferyllt wrote:

In post 853, Deras wrote:I think GM is scummier, yes, but I still think VE is her partner. Besides, VE is only at L-2, which is the same as Z, so I'd rather lynch VE than Z.

I'd be willing to switch my vote over to GM if there was any traction there though, voting for her right now feels like voting green party.

Riddle me this. If VE and GM are the scum team, why would VE come into the game and upset the AA9 apple-cart with just over 2 days to go?

In post 846, Deras wrote:One of the things I have against this GM/VE scum partners theory is that it would've just been easier to lynch AA9, but maybe they're saving her for lynch or lose? (which, if she's town, wouldn't be a bad idea, considering the way she's been playing). OR, it's VE/AA9 and VE just did the save of the game getting AA9 out of the fire.

Why would AA9 have put her vote on her scum partner Carey?

In post 859, fferyllt wrote:Warming up to an Eye wagon, actually.

@GM, I trust ff somewhat (probably the most in the game) so could you outline your Eye case?

"Self, how could I most easily fade into the background of this new game that I rolled scum in?"

"Well I don't know why you'd do that you sexy beast, but honestly the easiest way for you to fade into the background is to stand up and shout about the leading wagon and making a weak case against an outlying candidate that no one seems to be interested except for this OTHER person that the thread has marked as suspicious."

"BRILLIANT!!!"

I'm not seeing it guys, sorry.

I'm out for a bit - the ride home should be a thoughtful one.

In post 864, fferyllt wrote: Why would AA9 have put her vote on her scum partner Carey?

Just playing devil's advocate here but, to save herself because it was obvious Carey wasn't playing ball, make the best out of a bad situation? I think I've mentioned it before, but it seemed to me she was voting Carey out of annoyance at Carey's behaviour, not any alignment-related reasons.

I'd actually forgotten she voted for Carey . Still, my strongest feeling was for a GM/VE partnership.

Scum do bus each other, but it's pretty stupid to do that on a confused, listless day 1. There are almost always hapless townies flopping around looking scummy to the rest of town, especially in these games where there is such a mix of experience levels and such a mix of mafia cultures.

@ FF: BUT PROBABLY DON'T ONLY VOTE HIM FOR BEING A DICK

THAT'S USUALLY A NULLTELL

@Deras: None of those attempt in any way to deflect attention from Carey. I use several points (meta, speed of read buildup) to ascertain that I believe his slot to be Town. One person saying "I think this guy is Town" =/= one person saying "we should ignore this guy".
IN FACT, I would think that it would increase attention on him since you all thought I was Scum.

Fe is playing very close to the belt, and he's made false arguments one too many times for me to feel comfortable. Mac is misrepping A LOT recently, AND he's been buddying me. If you don't find the case against Z to be enough, I'm questioning why you don't think misrepping is scummy.

That's the most basic basics of the Fe case in my boat, you may want to ask ff if it's not convincing enough for you.

IC PART OF THE POST TIME: EVERYONE STOP PAIRHUNTING BEFORE FLIPS THAT IS SO EFFING COUNTERPRODUCTIVE

I TYPE SLOW OK


I HAVE A PROBLEM

THE PROBLEM IS CALLED CAPSLOCK

^Scum getting paranoid. need bit motivation
VOTE: GoodMorning

In post 869, goodmorning wrote:Fe is playing very close to the belt, and he's made false arguments one too many times for me to feel comfortable.

Point me explicitly to an argument I have made, and I will reconsider it and return with a more thorough exposition of it, or an acquiescence that I was wrong.

That is L-1, I think. If anyone intends to hammer, keep a vote off until you've stated intent and let me respond.