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In post 859, LavarManos wrote:

In post 855, Frogsterking wrote:Tracker follows the one who hammers the night action.

What does this mean?

I am not scum. Also, Redados sent me his Friendly Neighbor message N1.
I will reconsider my reads, but the scumteam might just be Casey and Fred? Idk

In post 875, Frogsterking wrote:Lavar did you consider not outting that Redados visited you N1.

In post 555, LavarManos wrote:I feel honored

In post 878, LavarManos wrote:

In post 875, Frogsterking wrote:Lavar did you consider not outting that Redados visited you N1.

#1

Why would I do that? I did allude to it in my first post of the day 2 here.

In post 555, LavarManos wrote:I feel honored

#2

What do you mean by the Tracker follows the one who hammers the night action? yes, I do need to reconsider my townread on Italiano since it is LYLO.

In post 879, Frogsterking wrote:

In post 878, LavarManos wrote:

In post 875, Frogsterking wrote:Lavar did you consider not outting that Redados visited you N1.

#1

Why would I do that? I did allude to it in my first post of the day 2 here.

In post 555, LavarManos wrote:I feel honored

#2

What do you mean by the Tracker follows the one who hammers the night action? yes, I do need to reconsider my townread on Italiano since it is LYLO.

#1

To avoid suspicion. Redados died the next night.

#2

I was trying to allude to my role in a way that didn't get me killed. The tracker only gets a "guilty" if that player was the one to do the kill or night action. In the format I'm used to playing you'd call that player's choice the hammer, because it's selected like a vote, and will cause the night to end if they were the last one to make their choice, like a hammer.

I'm not sure if selecting a night action here is also called a hammer because it's not selected through votes, but whatever.

In post 846, Frogsterking wrote:

In post 835, Fredrick A Campbell wrote:Actually, on looking further back the part about Frogsterking killing MUSHSHAGANA to frame me makes less sense to me now because Frogsterking didn't even start the day attempting to get rid of me, stating instead that he didn't think I would have killed MUSHSHAGANA in post 593. Another duo was hypothesized instead. However, I still think the perspective slips are there and not imaginary unless Frogsterking could give an explanation for my observation in post 732.

Yes..

If you are town I would heavily encourage you to reconsider the things you said because I don't believe they make any sense.

What was the perspective slip in 732?

In post 834, Fredrick A Campbell wrote:I currently believe Frogsterking may have night killed MUSHSHAGANA with the attempt to drop suspicion on ItalianoVD and me. He believed that everyone will dabble in night kill analysis and, when no one did, he had to do it himself. Some posts Frogsterking has made that support my hypothesis are post 615 and post 732.

Another reason I am scumreading Frogsterking is for his numerous perspective slips that he has attempted to explain away every single time. There is one in post 732 ("I believe I overestimated her end of day suspicion against me as well which is causing me to rethink my interpretation of events." Why is he overestimating MUSHSHAGANA's end of day suspicion against him if he is town? Shouldn't he be underestimating it. This was so subtle I actually read it underestimating the first time I read the post.), post 799 (details in post 823) and post 640 (I may be putting a tad-bit much weight in this one as a similar statement was made by one of the mafia members in this post.). I think that is all of it, but I may find some more.

In post 550, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:Last minute baseless speculation:

Consider a Frogster and Frederick scumteam. They play off of each other constantly, they reinforce each other; even Frogster’s criticism seems anticipated and expected.

If Shelly flips green... consider the value of a Frogster and Frederick scumteam and compare it with how their interactions and play have been.

Also, my survival or death has no bearing on this baseless speculation whether you want it to or not, to prevent Town from getting suckered into a wildly off base round of game solving nonsense. Even if scum actually use worried about this, don’t read into it. Follow my earlier play if I die tonight.

In post 880, Fredrick A Campbell wrote:

In post 879, Frogsterking wrote:

In post 878, LavarManos wrote:

In post 875, Frogsterking wrote:Lavar did you consider not outting that Redados visited you N1.

#1

Why would I do that? I did allude to it in my first post of the day 2 here.

In post 555, LavarManos wrote:I feel honored

#2

What do you mean by the Tracker follows the one who hammers the night action? yes, I do need to reconsider my townread on Italiano since it is LYLO.

#1

To avoid suspicion. Redados died the next night.

#2

I was trying to allude to my role in a way that didn't get me killed. The tracker only gets a "guilty" if that player was the one to do the kill or night action. In the format I'm used to playing you'd call that player's choice the hammer, because it's selected like a vote, and will cause the night to end if they were the last one to make their choice, like a hammer.

I'm not sure if selecting a night action here is also called a hammer because it's not selected through votes, but whatever.

It is not called a hammer here, but is called "performing a night action" instead.

Anyway, why did you reveal who you targeted so soon? I could see some benefit if you kept who you targeted a secret.

In post 885, Casey wrote:Fred are you going to continue to question the unCC'd power role or are you going to do something useful?

In post 884, Frogsterking wrote:Also in hindsight I noticed that I got pushed a lot for perspective slips on D2 and I wonder if it's due to how I write and whether it was exacerbated by my drinking.

In post 887, Fredrick A Campbell wrote:

In post 884, Frogsterking wrote:Also in hindsight I noticed that I got pushed a lot for perspective slips on D2 and I wonder if it's due to how I write and whether it was exacerbated by my drinking.

I think it was just me who pushed you for that.

In post 874, Casey wrote:

In post 871, ItalianoVD wrote:

In post 870, Fredrick A Campbell wrote:

In post 866, ItalianoVD wrote:Well that wasn’t surprising, I figured it’d be me or Redados to get killed. Rocknil is a little surprising.

I’ve done my reading though. I’ve actually read 759 many times over and it’s still confusing to follow.

@Frederick: So are you saying you initially scumread Frogster for his obsession over what people thought of the nightkill and then 640 solidified your scumread or vice versa?

Actually, while that was what I was saying, I misremembered. I actually scumread Frogsterking for not seeming to attempt to solve the game, then 640 made me more suspicious. The rest of what I recounted was more recent and so I doubt I misremembered anything else.

I find it strange not to remember why you scumread somebody. Like it wasn’t a real scumread to begin with.

He already said earlier he has memory issues.

In post 887, Fredrick A Campbell wrote:

In post 884, Frogsterking wrote:Also in hindsight I noticed that I got pushed a lot for perspective slips on D2 and I wonder if it's due to how I write and whether it was exacerbated by my drinking.

I think it was just me who pushed you for that.

In post 888, Frogsterking wrote:

In post 887, Fredrick A Campbell wrote:

In post 884, Frogsterking wrote:Also in hindsight I noticed that I got pushed a lot for perspective slips on D2 and I wonder if it's due to how I write and whether it was exacerbated by my drinking.

I think it was just me who pushed you for that.

To be fair it was Casey who pointed them out and then allowed you to push them.

In post 891, Frogsterking wrote:Lavar I'm going to need you to do some amateur detective work or this day is going to be super painful for me.

In post 885, Casey wrote:Fred are you going to continue to question the unCC'd power role or are you going to do something useful?

In post 893, Frogsterking wrote:I have more experience with NKA, is anyone here amateur, pro or otherwise experienced in VCA?

In post 897, ItalianoVD wrote:

In post 893, Frogsterking wrote:I have more experience with NKA, is anyone here amateur, pro or otherwise experienced in VCA?

Pretty experienced. My vca is trash. I’ve been wrong both times (shellyc, rocknil), so if we go by vca, I don’t look too good. I’ll try to see what’s happening elsewhere, but I wouldn’t have the moral authority to make a case.