Mini 778 - Inventor Mafia (OVER)


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Post Post #925 (ISO) » Mon Aug 31, 2009 1:23 pm

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Tarhalindur choices:
N1: Made comms device (mason recruiter), targeted Darox (Amished).
N2: Dead (no choice available)
N3: Dead (no choice available)

Amished choices (using information claimed D3 and logical deduction):
N1: made force field (mason recruiter)
N2: made useless item (zen garden)
N3: made AED (reviver), targeted Tarhalindur*

* - If a living player used the AED, they would have claimed it since reviving me makes you look incredibly pro-town. The only dead player who could have used the AED is Amished.

I'm asking for mod clarification on something, but that would merely raise the usefulness of reviving Amished from "very good idea" to "if you open AED as town tonight and don't revive Amished you are an idiot".

Stethoscope: I want you to confirm which type of result you got N2 - there's a good chance we can clear three if not four players here.

Also, I need to reread Empking and zwetschenwasser.



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Post Post #926 (ISO) » Mon Aug 31, 2009 1:46 pm

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More quick notes:

- It's pretty damn likely that zwetschenwasser opened a Jammer N1 and used it on AceMarksman (now Stethoscope)
- Given the ability resolution order in the first post, Empking should have been roleblocked by melikefood's Jammer N3 (roleblocks resolve before jailkeeps, so BB's Stasis Cell couldn't stop the Jammer). I'm checking to see what RBT policy is on informing players when they are roleblocked - if any player who is roleblocked is informed so, Empking needs to be looked at with an electron microscope.
- The following probably did not perform a Mafia kill given my current understanding of night actions (pretty sure there was a successful Mafia kill, since nobody claimed the Amished kill), though I'll need clarification on certain subjects to be sure: Tarhalindur (definitely not, since I wasn't alive then, not to mention that I'm confirmed town), Beyond Birthday, melikefood. Empking can only have made the Mafia kill if his partner is melikefood; Stethoscope can only have made the kill if his partner is someoldguy, and Stethoscope being scum is an increasingly unlikely proposition. If this is correct, only someoldguy and Gorrad could have made the Amished kill (very very good chance Gorrad is responsible).

Don't lynch anyone just yet - I don't want to see a single vote until we get some of the clarifications (from Stethoscope and the mod).
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Post Post #927 (ISO) » Mon Aug 31, 2009 4:44 pm

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Update after RBT clarification:
- Reviving Amished is just a very good idea (comms failed N1)
- Players are only informed about being roleblocked if it prevents them from using an investigative role. No need to use that electron microscope on
- Hiding has no funny business about targeting scum (standard Smalltown Hider)

Still want the Stethoscope clarification: specifically, need to be ABSOLUTELY SURE that he saw duckduck target Beyond Birthday with Spybot and not the other way around (BB target duckduck) with Sentry. (If that is a Spybot result, the logical conclusion is that Beyond Birthday was the missing Mafia kill N2, so Spybotting duckduck->BB softclears BB.)

In order of most to least likely to have performed the Amished kill N3:
- Gorrad (no reason to believe that Gorrad couldn't make the Mafia kill N3 if scum, claimed Tar kill N1 when that kill was probably a Mafia kill and when that kill makes no sense coming from ZazieR if she was town)
- someoldguy (no reason to believe that someoldguy couldn't make the Mafia kill N3 if scum, only circumstantial reason to believe he's town)
- Stethoscope (no reason to believe that someoldguy couldn't make the Mafia kill N3 if scum, but unlikely to be scum due to claimed investigation by SOG and claimed track on duckduck - if scum then must be scum with SOG)
- Beyond Birthday (technically no reason to believe that he couldn't make the N3 Mafia kill, but jailkeep seems plausible; unlikely to be scum given Stetho claimed Spybot yielding duckduck->BB N2 and only one other protective ability claimed N2)
- Empking (melikefood claims roleblock on Empking N3 which would have resolved given actions as claimed - if scum who made Amished kill then melikefood must be partner)
- melikefood (Beyond Birthday claims jailkeep on melikefood N3; Beyond Birthday is very likely to be town and has no reason to lie about this as town)
- Tarhalindur (was dead N3 and confirmed town to boot)
- Amished (confirmed town by death and why the hell would he kill himself? Also almost certainly responsible for Tar revival.)
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Post Post #928 (ISO) » Mon Aug 31, 2009 5:57 pm

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Tarhalindur wrote:Still want the Stethoscope clarification: specifically, need to be ABSOLUTELY SURE that he saw duckduck target Beyond Birthday with Spybot and not the other way around (BB target duckduck) with Sentry. (If that is a Spybot result, the logical conclusion is that Beyond Birthday was the missing Mafia kill N2, so Spybotting duckduck->BB softclears BB.)
Oh, I'm absolutely sure. My only confusion was that I forget the difference between watching and tracking. Duckduck targeted BB, I am absolutely certain. I sent my spybot Duckduck's way, remember how he looked scummy then?
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Post Post #929 (ISO) » Mon Aug 31, 2009 6:54 pm

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All conclusions indicate a Gorrad lynch is most in our favor. What then is thy command, my captain?
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Post Post #930 (ISO) » Mon Aug 31, 2009 8:39 pm

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Stephoscope wrote:
Tarhalindur wrote:Still want the Stethoscope clarification: specifically, need to be ABSOLUTELY SURE that he saw duckduck target Beyond Birthday with Spybot and not the other way around (BB target duckduck) with Sentry. (If that is a Spybot result, the logical conclusion is that Beyond Birthday was the missing Mafia kill N2, so Spybotting duckduck->BB softclears BB.)
Oh, I'm absolutely sure. My only confusion was that I forget the difference between watching and tracking. Duckduck targeted BB, I am absolutely certain. I sent my spybot Duckduck's way, remember how he looked scummy then?
Only by reread and by the actions of duckduck's predecessor - I wasn't paying too much attention at the time due to the minor inconvenience of being dead at the time.

(In this game, not in real life.)

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That makes things quite simple - as noted above, the logical place for the missing N2 Mafia kill is targeting Beyond Birthday, and I don't see scum killing scum.

There are a few potential flaws here: namely, two players other than Beyond Birthday used roles that can stop kills N2: melikefood (Force Field/bulletproof) and Empking (Teleporter/hider). I don't consider either of these particularly likely Mafia kills, however. Melikefood was extremely low profile (and has a better-than-average chance of being scum himself), so I really don't see him being a Mafia kill. Empking is harder to rule out (due to claiming the zwet kill - Mafia might have tried to get rid of him for that, much as I suspect the MonkeyMan claim was intended to get Empking lynched) but I doubt he's the N2 kill simply because he's Empking and thus infinitely lynchable.

Besides, BB was one of the strongest and most active players D2 and was moderately suspicious of duckduck; given that the Mafia killed me N1 and duckduck/farside flipped scum, I'd say that BB is a fairly likely Mafia kill.

So, let's assume Beyond Birthday is town and was Mafia killed N2 (prevented by Stasis Cell). In that case, the above post holds.

Where's the Mafioso who didn't make the N3 kill? It's not me (confirmed town yo!), and it's probably not Stethoscope (someoldguy investigation) or Beyond Birthday (Night 2 claimed action + missing N2 Mafia kill). In addition, Gorrad isn't in consideration here because I'm pretty sure he made the N3 kill. That leaves someoldguy, melikefood, and Empking.

Of these, I'd lean towards melikefood being the last Mafioso, given his uninspiring play and choices.

What happens if Gorrad somehow flips town? Given what we know of N1, that means the most likely scum team is Empking/melikefood by a fair margin (Empking scum requires melikefood scum), with decent chances at melikefood/someoldguy and someoldguy/Stethoscope (the latter two require that I was doublekilled - by Mafia and Gorradtown - N1).

(Is considering whether or not to post recommendations for townie night actions.)
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Post Post #931 (ISO) » Mon Aug 31, 2009 8:40 pm

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Beyond_Birthday wrote:All conclusions indicate a Gorrad lynch is most in our favor. What then is thy command, my captain?
Run him up to L-1, but I get to hammer (as in: only scum or Tarhalindur hammer today).
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Post Post #932 (ISO) » Mon Aug 31, 2009 9:24 pm

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Post Post #933 (ISO) » Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:45 pm

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Gorrad wrote:
Empking wrote:Killed Zwet
oO
What?

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Post Post #934 (ISO) » Tue Sep 01, 2009 8:49 am

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Post Post #935 (ISO) » Tue Sep 01, 2009 3:40 pm

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Vote: Empking


Monkeyman claimed the Zwet kill. Either two people both targeted zwet, or Empking and MM are scumpartners.
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Post Post #936 (ISO) » Tue Sep 01, 2009 5:09 pm

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Okay, thinking is done.

There are two fatal scenarios for us tonight:
1) We mislynch and two townies are tazed (or one townie is tazed and MonkeyMan is revived)
2) We lynch Gorradscum and three townies are tazed (or two townies are tazed and a scum is revived).

Given this, let's consider optimal night actions tonight in the two possible cases entering night (successful lynch or mislynch)

1) Successful lynch.

We have a shitton of freedom here, with two confirmed town (Tarhalindur, Stethoscope) and two semiconfirmed town (Empking, Beyond Birthday). Really, the only two scum candidates here are melikefood and someoldguy (again, probably the former).

Recommended night actions for town:
Tazers: Kill melikefood (any other kill is a BAD kill)
AEDs: Revive Amished (or possibly Mastin, but Mastin's wordiness kills games)
Terminals/Spybots: Target someoldguy (targeting melikefood is mediocre due to possibility of Terminal kills)
Medkit, Stasis Cell, Sentry: Target a confirmed town (preferably me, but Stethoscope isn't a horrible choice)
Jammers: Roleblock melikefood (most likely scum)
Comm Device: Target as you will, but I weakly recommend targeting a confirmed town (me or Stethoscope)
Teleporter: You'll need to WIFOM to try to dodge the scum kill (I'd lean towards targeting a confirmed town myself, since they have the best shot of being doc protected; someoldguy isn't a horrible choice)
Force Field: Use it. Duh.
Anything useless: It's, well, useless. Duh.

2) Mislynch.

We have less leeway here than I like: scum opening either a Tazer or an AED gives scum the game if all scum kills resolve. Likewise, townie misvigging can hand scum the game with a successful lynch.

Also, I'm not totally sure who's scum here. Options are someoldguy/melikefood, melikefood/Empking, melikefood/Beyond Birthday, someoldguy/Beyond Birthday, someoldguy/Stethoscope.

You'll need to WIFOM a bit here, especially if you luck into a roleblock or Stasis Cell (you want to block a Mafia with those if possible), but I recommend the following for fellow townies:

Tazer: Strongly consider not using it, since a misvig plus scum kill or AED loses the game for town. If you do use it, I'd use it on melikefood or maybe someoldguy.
AED: Amished or maybe Mastin are still your best bets here.
Terminals/Spybots: Please investigate Empking here. I'd REALLY like to be sure of his alignment if Gorrad somehow flips town. Someoldguy's also not a horrible investigation choice, but he might get Tazed.
Medkit, Sentry: You'll need to WIFOM here. Best choice in a vacuum is to protect confirmed town Tarhalindur, but certain other players (BB and Empking) should be considered in case the scum decide to try to push through kills by killing nonconfirmed town.
Stasis Cell/Jammer: Best targets are someoldguy and melikefood, but consider Empking/Stethoscope/Beyond Birthday (your priority here is to block a scum's abilities if at all possible).
Comms Device: Use as you will, but I strongly recommend sending it my way.
Teleporter: WIFOM is needed here. Hide wherever you don't think any kills are going.
Force Field: Use it. Duh.
Anything useless: It's, well, useless. Duh.

Note that these are just recommendations: Adjust them to fit your tastes, or discard them entirely. (Scenario 2 I consider unlikely but should be kept in mind just in case.)
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Post Post #937 (ISO) » Tue Sep 01, 2009 5:18 pm

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Gorrad wrote:
Vote: Empking


Monkeyman claimed the Zwet kill. Either two people both targeted zwet, or Empking and MM are scumpartners.
Or farside22 did something completely different N1 and ZazieRscum killed me. Or farside22 and ZazieR both opened Tazers and tried to taze me N1.

In fact, the fact that you didn't mention that last one is the final nail in your coffin (and clears Empking even more than he already was, provided you flip scum. Which you will.)

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Post Post #938 (ISO) » Tue Sep 01, 2009 5:36 pm

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After the amazement wears off of having someone who you thought was dead pop back to life, you decide that clearly Tarhalindur must have the right idea. Thus, with very little other mention, Gorrad was selected for the device testing. It turns out that this selection was designed to be a weapons test for the military. With the greatest feeling of vengeance, Tar grabs the weapon and fires it at Gorrad. With a large burst of air, Gorrad is knocked into the air a good 500 yards. When he lands, the small crater that he makes proves that he had clearly died. Again, you see a small explosion near his corpse, most likely his comm device with his partners in crime.

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Post Post #939 (ISO) » Fri Sep 04, 2009 6:46 am

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After a much briefer session in the workrooms than usual, you come out hoping to find nobody dead. And it seems that your wish is granted.

Nobody died N4. D5 starts now.
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Post Post #940 (ISO) » Fri Sep 04, 2009 2:08 pm

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Claim order for today Mr. Tarhalindur?
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Post Post #941 (ISO) » Fri Sep 04, 2009 3:11 pm

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semioldguy wrote:Claim order for today Mr. Tarhalindur?
1) melikefood
2) semioldguy
3) Beyond Birthday
4) Empking
5) Tarhalindur
6) Stethoscope

Pretty sure that I should claim before Stethoscope, but not 100% sure. Stethoscope, you're also confirmed - you want any modifications to this?

(Keep in mind that both Stethoscope and myself are confirmed town, the former due to SOG investigation + 2 dead scum and the latter due to being revived.)
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Post Post #942 (ISO) » Fri Sep 04, 2009 4:55 pm

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I am quite amiable to the above list, and though not confirmed, I would prefer that Empking claims first. I believe both 5 and 6 are of no consequence.
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Post Post #943 (ISO) » Fri Sep 04, 2009 5:32 pm

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Guess I'm in the hotseat today.

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Post Post #944 (ISO) » Fri Sep 04, 2009 7:01 pm

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Beyond_Birthday wrote:I am quite amiable to the above list, and though not confirmed, I would prefer that Empking claims first. I believe both 5 and 6 are of no consequence.
Two consecutive Mafiosos have attempted to discredit Empking via claim (MonkeyMan D3, Gorrad D4). He's almost certainly town, and he should be allowed to claim late given that.

(In fact, the only reason I DON'T recommend moving you above SOG in the claim order for this post alone is because confirmed town Stethoscope tracked duckduck/MonkeyMan/farside22 to you N2 and there's a missing Mafia kill N2.)
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Post Post #945 (ISO) » Fri Sep 04, 2009 7:19 pm

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My box last night also contained a deck of cards, but I played solitaire with them.
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Post Post #946 (ISO) » Sat Sep 05, 2009 2:45 am

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Just checking in.
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Post Post #947 (ISO) » Sat Sep 05, 2009 7:25 pm

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Very well then, and I am sure you may have figured this out from my claim (some of you and those who have read this forum lately), but I built a Sentry last night and watch Tarhalinder. No one visited him.
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Post Post #948 (ISO) » Sat Sep 05, 2009 11:03 pm

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I jailkeeped Steph.
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Post Post #949 (ISO) » Sun Sep 06, 2009 7:09 am

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Opened another Comms Device (HAILING FREQUENCIES OPEN), targeted Stethoscope. This Comms Device SUCCEEDED (hence why I wanted Stethoscope to claim after me, he should be able to confirm this.
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