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Post Post #925 (ISO) » Fri Aug 11, 2006 1:46 am

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It is possible Fritzler was scum, in that case he'd probably be an SK of some sort, although personally I think he was just a miller quack. I don't see it as possible that he was mafia, as what we know of his role, does not match up with the apparent flavour of the mafia, the Anti-Simon Society. And I'd be very much surprised if we were only looking for 2 scum.
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Post Post #926 (ISO) » Fri Aug 11, 2006 1:58 am

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One final thought: Could it be possible that Fritz -was- scum and that we're only looking for two scum? I have reason to believe this is likely the case. And with how things are lining up here I'm inclined to believe it even more.
Impossible. Fritz was a doc that doesn't protect and had chances to be a miller. The only plausible antitown role for Fritz would be some sort of SK, but looking at fritz's reaction and his tone at the end of yesterday, i'm pretty sure he was a protown role.

the 3-person scum group is very plausible, especially if you include Amelia and Drummer as 2 of them, like what I believe to be.
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Post Post #927 (ISO) » Fri Aug 11, 2006 7:52 am

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I'm of the opinion that Fritz was an unstable pro-town role, who probably
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he was a Doctor.

And now that I read back over Drummer's list...
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is AmeliaSlay supposed to be in that list? She is missing.
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Post Post #928 (ISO) » Fri Aug 11, 2006 9:03 am

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Do we want Mike's nightaction info? I note he's around on the site but skipping this game for some reason.
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Post Post #929 (ISO) » Fri Aug 11, 2006 9:06 am

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That would be good. Although to be honest, he
should
be writing up the lynch scene for No Use For a Title (he posted that he was going to do that well over an hour ago). That lazy bum.
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Post Post #930 (ISO) » Fri Aug 11, 2006 9:16 am

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Sorry, I'll participate this weekend. And I've been at work for the past few hours PJ.

My nightaction was that I was blocked. Otherwise MBL would have been my victim from the gas canister I haven't used yet.
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Post Post #931 (ISO) » Fri Aug 11, 2006 9:32 am

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All these people getting blocked. Too many to explain by our current lone roleblocker. Either:

1) We have more roleblockers in {CES, MBL, Ibby}
2) People are lying about being blocked
3) "Block" is the result of hitting someone on a locked floor
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Post Post #932 (ISO) » Fri Aug 11, 2006 9:35 am

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Goodness, yeah. This game is like role-blocking central, or something. :?

And MBL, you should join in the festivity! Get a Santa Hat! ^_^
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Post Post #933 (ISO) » Fri Aug 11, 2006 10:25 am

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mike wrote:My nightaction was that I was blocked. Otherwise MBL would have been my victim from the gas canister I haven't used yet.
Aha! That was where the missing block on me went to last night.
MrBuddyLee wrote:All these people getting blocked. Too many to explain by our current lone roleblocker. Either:

1) We have more roleblockers in {CES, MBL, Ibby}
2) People are lying about being blocked
3) "Block" is the result of hitting someone on a locked floor

#3 is completely wrong since blocks results in
YOUR OWN DOOR
being locked, not encountering someone else locked.

In #1, Ibby couldn't be RBer since she was blocked by Amelia (Doesn't matter if Amelia lied, Ibby was either protown who really got blocked or scum partners with Amelia). And MBL couldn't be RBer since I got the result of him never leaving his room.
So the only possible blocker of mike is either CES or Amelia.


In #2, if this case is true (which I am believing in more and more), our scum are Amelia, Drummer, and Ibby.
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Post Post #934 (ISO) » Fri Aug 11, 2006 10:51 am

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As M-M states correctly, I didn't leave my room last night and I am not a roleblocker.
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Post Post #935 (ISO) » Fri Aug 11, 2006 10:52 am

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Ibby, you told me to stfu a few times late yesterday when I pressed you on your reasons for FOSing me and finding Fritzler scummy. Mind if I ask why, or does that pretty much earn me another "stfu if you're town, MBL"?
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Post Post #936 (ISO) » Fri Aug 11, 2006 12:41 pm

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Machiavellian-Mafia wrote:
mike wrote:My nightaction was that I was blocked. Otherwise MBL would have been my victim from the gas canister I haven't used yet.
Aha! That was where the missing block on me went to last night.
Right, I was going to say it when day began, but I was waiting for Amelia to say who she blocked.
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Post Post #937 (ISO) » Fri Aug 11, 2006 1:16 pm

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Nice catch, M-M. I think this is starting to seal my suspicions that AmeliaSlay is scum. And being
role-blocking
scum, I would much like to have to her lynched before any other scum: she may otherwise be able to role-block an important pro-town role in the process of going down.

Vote: AmeliaSlay
. This is a first vote, so I'm not afraid of quicklynches and such on the chance I am wrong. I think I have read this game through enough times, however, that I am fairly confident with placing this vote.

Everybody should give their opinions, so we will have a good place to start looking come tomorrow after one scum is down and out.
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Post Post #938 (ISO) » Fri Aug 11, 2006 1:38 pm

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MrBuddyLee wrote:Ibby, you told me to stfu a few times late yesterday when I pressed you on your reasons for FOSing me and finding Fritzler scummy. Mind if I ask why, or does that pretty much earn me another "stfu if you're town, MBL"?
I got the impression from one of your posts that you had already figured it out. Apparently you haven't or you're fishing. I will answer this question if there's a consensus that I should claim today.
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Post Post #939 (ISO) » Fri Aug 11, 2006 1:47 pm

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MBL wrote:Ibby's hinting at a pretty powerful role ("stfu, MBL") and though I'm curious about it and about her strange behavior at the end of yesterday,
I think it may be best her role stay hidden
. CES/VitR have played well, and I haven't been able to figure out what CES's role could be yet.
My role is best left concealed for now as well.
Seeing as MBL is
also
hinting at a powerful role, I don't think he should be able to force Ibaesha to claim when he himself does not want to claim. He's been hinting at a powerful claim the entire game (with his whole, "You'll be run up and lynched if you claim to have guilty evidence on me" to Drummer). He is more of a scum suspect in my mind than Ibaesha is, so if
either
of them are going to be claiming anything, I would rather MBL do it first.

As it is, however, I don't think any more claims are necessary. I think we've caught scum, and more claiming is only going to tell scum who they would be best off killing (and claiming might
also
infer as to what color floors everybody is on, or at least imply whether or not certain people are on the red floor or not).

I'm fine with everybody still giving their suspicions, but more claims are unneccessary at this point, in my opinion.
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Post Post #940 (ISO) » Fri Aug 11, 2006 2:18 pm

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Rereading Fatty Acid and Pink Princess's posts (Ameliaslay replaced them)...
Fatty Acid didn't help much at all--she went after lurker GreenLiquid. PP went after Shamrock and GreenLiquid for lurking. Reread for yourselves. It's not an impressive scumhunting record. Not that any of us have excelled, but it looks pretty downright wishywashy/ambivalent.
PP, to MBL wrote:My current thoughts are that this is a bunny trail. This moment, I don't think you are scummy. I don't think Pie is scummy. Instead, I am staring pointedly at Shamrock.
WIFOM, sure, but if Amelia is scum, I see this as PP going after a lurker and sucking up to a couple pro-town players. The other two people she voted for D1 were THT and MBF, both town. Total, total WIFOM, I know, but to me it looks like she was afraid to mention her scumpartners. Pie, Shamrock, me, THT, MBF, all pro-town.
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Post Post #941 (ISO) » Fri Aug 11, 2006 5:44 pm

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Ibby wrote:Amelia's behavior hasn't really helped matters much. Yesterday she came out without provocation to say that she roleblocked PJ. Then she disappeared while a bandwagon formed and dissipated after his claim. It then took her quite a while to respond to questions concerning this. Looking back, I get the impression that she is a scum-roleblocker who saw the kill not go through and took an opportunity to attempt to set someone (PJ) up. Then today, she showed up, claimed to have blocked the wrong person without saying more and once again disappeared. When she did show up again, she asked if people wanted her to reveal her roleblock as if she hadn't even read the game. This makes little sense to me and actually reminds me of behavior I've seen from her as scum before.
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I "came out" yesterday because I was confused and wasn't thinking clearly about what else could explain what had happened to PJ. It was never my intention to implicate or for a bandwagon to form, and at the time I thought that vote on him was odd.
There is clearly a second roleblocker of some sort at work, I don't know what the crap all this is about me working with M-M or Drummer for that matter... But WIFOM Heck if I ever claim without being prompted when scum-- RB is too common a scum role anyway...
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Post Post #942 (ISO) » Sat Aug 12, 2006 4:02 pm

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MBF, whatcha thinkin'? It's the weekend now.
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Post Post #943 (ISO) » Sat Aug 12, 2006 6:17 pm

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I'm thinking you should unvote Amelia for now. We still have plenty of work to do.

First of all, I think it's time to reveal floor colors now. We need all the info we have for today.

But first I want Drummer to reveal his targets. As he has said before, scum will not lie now that they know they can be caught. However, we can still test him.
Drummer, who did you detect Night 3? And what color is MBL's room?
I think I already know the answer to the latter question...

After that is settled, I'd like to know MBL, CES, and Ibby's roles.

Amelia is a roleblocker, confirmed by Drummer and possibly Ibby. It would be awesome if Ibby could confirm Amelia's roleblocker ability. That would rule out the Amelia-lying-about-her-role-and-Drummer-faking-being-blocked possibiliy. Drummer being able to pinpoint room colors on the mark would verify his role as well. Perhaps we can catch CES, MBL or Ibby in a lie.
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Post Post #944 (ISO) » Sat Aug 12, 2006 7:04 pm

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I don't think Amelia blocking Ibaesha is "awesome" in the least. And confirming her role-blocking ability on Ibby wouldn't clear her either. For all we know, scum have multiple role-blockers (door-locker, generic role-blocker without flavor, and a floor locker would be one example), or perhaps we're dealing with a double role-blocker. We don't know, because (I believe) we haven't seen any dead scum.

But fine.
Unvote: AmeliaSlay
.

I still don't think we need to have CES, Ibaesha,
or
MBL should claim today. Unless you think
that's
the scumgroup, I think I would rather focus on the claims we have already
had
that I am not exactly believing in.

Once again, I think claiming is only going to tell scum what order to kill the townspeople. I'm pretty sure we already have one, if not two scum exposed. I want to lynch scum one at a time. I was not very impressed by Amelia's last post, and my vote will probably be moving back onto her soon if something new doesn't catch my eye.

Also:

It is more than possible that we could lynch scum today, and scum could (for whatever reason) miss their kill tonight. Since we have eight players right now, that would leave us with seven players tomorrow.

That would leave us
with an extra lynch for the town
. Instead of being only to lynch three players of our choice, we would have
four
maximum lynches, which would be a monumental help to the town. By keeping the possibility open that scum could miss their kill tonight, I think we would be in better shape than by claiming today, where we will likely end up lynching the same person anyways. It's doubtful we would have that possibility at all if we were to mass-claim today.
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Post Post #945 (ISO) » Sat Aug 12, 2006 7:58 pm

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We haven't identified a protection role yet in this game, and you'd think there would be one. My guess is that one of the unclaimed is a protector. I don't think making the identity and floor color of the protector known is of benefit to the town, but I'd listen to arguments otherwise.
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Post Post #946 (ISO) » Sat Aug 12, 2006 8:03 pm

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Ameliaslay, on the flavor of her role, wrote:Lock doors-- because I was supposed to get advertising deals out of the tourn- but didn't-- and then found this key
Sounds disgruntled to me... a good reason to form the Anti-Simon society.

Who's been avoiding discussing Amelia's scumminess or lack thereof?
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Post Post #947 (ISO) » Sun Aug 13, 2006 2:13 am

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I didn't say Ibby could confirm Amelia's alliance, just her role, which is something we cannot confirm if Drummer is Amelia's lying scum partner. I want to know if Ibby was blocked yestereday to confirm this.
I think claiming is only going to tell scum what order to kill the townspeople.
Doesn't matter. One more kill and they've likely won.
I'm pretty sure we already have one, if not two scum exposed.
Why are you so sure? And why should we limit our knowledge potential? CES, Ibby, and MBL could very well be the scumgroup. Make them talk.
It is more than possible that we could lynch scum today, and scum could (for whatever reason) miss their kill tonight. Since we have eight players right now, that would leave us with seven players tomorrow.
It's unlikely that the scum will miss their kill. Half the town's color is out in the open as it is. Perhaps we should forfeit today's lynch to better our odds. It would give us another chance for a gassing, tracking, and roleblocking with the added benefit of reducing our number to 7.

I'm beginning to think that a mass claim should be postponed until tomorrow and we should all VOTE: no lynch.
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Post Post #948 (ISO) » Sun Aug 13, 2006 2:49 am

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If {CEM, Ibby, MBL} were the scum group, Mike, then how does one explain the lack of kill night 2?

I am not seeing the benefit of no lynching currently. The scum would probably just off M-M and roleblock you. It might give us some more info regarding Amelia, but I don't think it's truly beneficial, so I'd rather keep that buffer open. After all, we might have a doctor or a vig on the red floor.
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Post Post #949 (ISO) » Sun Aug 13, 2006 3:08 am

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Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:If {CEM, Ibby, MBL} were the scum group, Mike, then how does one explain the lack of kill night 2?
Because you targetted somebody on a red floor.
I am not seeing the benefit of no lynching currently. The scum would probably just off M-M and roleblock you. It might give us some more info regarding Amelia, but I don't think it's truly beneficial
You think having more info isn't beneficial? Whatever. I demand to be as informed as possible. Either we vote:no lynch or else we follow my aforementioned plan of attempting to confirm drummer and proceeding with mass claim.
After all, we might have a doctor or a vig on the red floor.
Then they are of no use to us because they are locked in.
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