In post 904, Titus wrote:Nosferatu - lean town. I disagree with Nos on Cy scumclaiming, but only through my own experience. I see where he gets it from. I like 444. I highly think Shotty just selectively responded rather than clicking on just a solitary link. I would like to hear more from Nos.
Please explain how that ISO is lean Town. There is very little content there. Literally my fact when I saw this was …
In post 908, drmyshottyizsik wrote:The fact that these wagons aren't getting pushed very hard is indicative of the fact that there aren't many or any scum on your or ircher's wagon.
Are you floating the concept that Ircher’s wagon was not being pushed very hard? The fact that it has gone away doesn’t mean it wasn’t strongly fueled.
Posted: Thu May 26, 2016 3:28 am
by Persivul
In post 924, MagnaofIllusion wrote:This is bad. Just terrible. Of course people can be held up to scrutiny for votes with little or no reasoning. Suggesting that a lack of reasons in ETL’s personal ISO for the Brawl vote should be excused because others have listed valid reasons doesn’t make sense.
In general? Sure. But if I say hey here's a good wagon, then scum read people who join it, that's suspect. But, I'm getting over it. I was hoping to get more pressure on Titus to see her reaction. In a game in which we were both scum, she took pressure D1 and played poorly, just going after someone for suggesting a PL, and she got lynched. Here, she's misrepping me, and I find that concerning, but otherwise she looks pretty confident, which again I didn't see in her scum D1 play.
Especially in light of the circumstances where ETL was calling Titus scum. Why would Town ETL sheep her scum read Titus’s reasoning on a player?
Yes, that concerns me. Further, I have two games with ETL. She was scum in one and town in the other, and her tone here is closer to the scum game then the town game. But, it's not a black or white thing.
No, I was scum with Oceanwind and Ranger. Titus pushed Ocean D1, but I got Titus lynched instead.
Posted: Thu May 26, 2016 3:35 am
by MagnaofIllusion
In post 928, Persivul wrote:No, I was scum with Oceanwind and Ranger. Titus pushed Ocean D1, but I got Titus lynched instead.
Thanks, that clears that up.
Posted: Thu May 26, 2016 3:38 am
by Persivul
Yeah, at first I didn't like how she turned on me for what I thought were reasonable points, but considering that game I can see where town!Titus would remember that game and scum read me here.
Posted: Thu May 26, 2016 3:39 am
by SirCakez
Posted: Thu May 26, 2016 3:43 am
by SirCakez
Cytheflyguy has been prodded.
Desmond_13 did not pick up his prod and will be replaced.
Posted: Thu May 26, 2016 3:50 am
by SirCakez
Nahdia replaces Desmond_13! Please welcome her.
Posted: Thu May 26, 2016 3:51 am
by Nahdia
hey folks i'll start catching up in a bit. anything super important i should know before i start?
In post 904, Titus wrote:Nosferatu - lean town. I disagree with Nos on Cy scumclaiming, but only through my own experience. I see where he gets it from. I like 444. I highly think Shotty just selectively responded rather than clicking on just a solitary link. I would like to hear more from Nos.
Please explain how that ISO is lean Town. There is very little content there. Literally my fact when I saw this was …
In post 908, drmyshottyizsik wrote:The fact that these wagons aren't getting pushed very hard is indicative of the fact that there aren't many or any scum on your or ircher's wagon.
Are you floating the concept that Ircher’s wagon was not being pushed very hard? The fact that it has gone away doesn’t mean it wasn’t strongly fueled.
My point is people are saying the same scum on Ircher's wagon jump over to titus. I think it is much more likely that this is town jump from scum to another scum. If it were scum jumping around the wagons would have waited for town and pushed really hard. It's not that the wagons weren't fueled strongly, it's that enough of the town had other reads and scum wasn't going to start bussing yet.
Posted: Thu May 26, 2016 3:53 am
by Persivul
You can trust shotty on that, he's an expert on bussing...
Posted: Thu May 26, 2016 3:54 am
by drmyshottyizsik
In post 936, Persivul wrote:You can trust shotty on that, he's an expert on bussing...
In post 102, TehBrawlGuy wrote:The whole statistics discussion is stupid and doesn't read natural. Feels like a poor attempt at distancing to me, as does Ircher's "go vote shotty". VOTE: Ircher
Copper case has no real merit imo. Copper had no reason to unvote/vote anyone else, but also no reason to actually believe Ircher was more likely to be scum than anyone else at the time.
Primarily because in this post, he is setting himself up to vote for both Shotty/Ircher as opposed to taking one side. It looks like he's trying really hard to agree with both players at the same time.
Also, I want to see him under pressure.
I like your style. I think you're town.
He is town reading someone for play style.... this is scum trying to do something.
titus are you sure persivul isn't a scum lean just because he's voting you?
you seem pretty omgus-y this game, unlike what i would expect from you
not a fan of the ircher wagon at all.
not a fan of the TBG wagon at all.
ETL vs titus felt kind of contrived. they both come out looking worse to me
i don't like the nitpicky-ness, it seemed far too nitpicky on both their parts
all this battle-of-the-ego stuff is very meh, to me
titus + ircher is null
titus > copper is bad
titus is just appearing everywhere now isn't she
that's probably a towntell.
wagon on her is curious. i highly doubt titus does this as town.
So the guy trying to lynch ircher off of my fake bullshit it now against the ircher wagon as soon as it looses momentum? No way.
Posted: Thu May 26, 2016 4:33 am
by Persivul
I agree that there's some suspicious stuff there, and particularly early. Plus, he has a different tone from our last game in which he was town. He's more measured in this game. But reviewing his ISO overall, I think it looks town. He's looking at different people, and generally the correct people. When challenged, he explains, but doesn't get defensive.
Posted: Thu May 26, 2016 4:52 am
by Titus
@Nahdia, Look at my readwall. That's what you need to know.
@Magna, When I look for town, I look for unlikely to be scum. Townie behaviors can be faked. Having less scum motivation cannot. Sometimes, there's a rare flash that screams "this is town" but that's few and far between.
@Shotty
If it were scum jumping around the wagons would have waited for town and pushed really hard.
So Shotty, you think there's no town on my wagon?
@Persivul, You coming around to me being town?You could also totally bus Zakk. The lies about agreeing with TBG were terribad.
Posted: Thu May 26, 2016 4:57 am
by drmyshottyizsik
In post 945, Titus wrote:@Nahdia, Look at my readwall. That's what you need to know.
@Magna, When I look for town, I look for unlikely to be scum. Townie behaviors can be faked. Having less scum motivation cannot. Sometimes, there's a rare flash that screams "this is town" but that's few and far between.
@Shotty
If it were scum jumping around the wagons would have waited for town and pushed really hard.
So Shotty, you think there's no town on my wagon?
@Persivul, You coming around to me being town?You could also totally bus Zakk. The lies about agreeing with TBG were terribad.
Either scum is on your wagon or you are scum. I know I'm town, and I have a scum read on you, so I think the more likely outcome is that you are scum.
Posted: Thu May 26, 2016 4:58 am
by drmyshottyizsik
In post 944, Persivul wrote:I agree that there's some suspicious stuff there, and particularly early. Plus, he has a different tone from our last game in which he was town. He's more measured in this game. But reviewing his ISO overall, I think it looks town. He's looking at different people, and generally the correct people. When challenged, he explains, but doesn't get defensive.
oh you, but seriously.
sadly I'm town.