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Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 11:21 am
by Farkset
Do you have no completed scumgames in your records, Ame?

Mini Normal 2121 - Ame VT

Post 1733 - Inquisitive case against FL and una, turned out wrong on both. Displays strong confidence in her reads, although unjustified for a player who replaced in and announced a catchup of over 1700 posts that was then completed within the subsequent 3 hours.
Post 1735 - Call to arms for her townreads, similar to the last line of .
Post 1919 - 1 out of 4 correct, also confidence is waning
Post 1922 - So you are capable of searching and providing scumgames when you want to. Why did you refuse to answer me when i asked?
(A)

Post 1941 - Why profii and una are town now?
Post 2040 - Similar accusations that you're moving towards Farkset here
Post 2062 - Can you see how you can misplace confidence in your reads, for so little reason?


Micro 922 - Ame VT
(also Hectic town here, reminder for later)
Post 138 - Why are you mad at iconeum here? Is he any different than springlullaby, whose only scumreads are against people who scumread her? Is he any different than you, who refused to answer him there, and refused to provide a scumgame when asked here?
Post 184 - Similar line of aggressiveness as here.
Post 368 - You clearly like wallposting and color coding. I appreciate it, although i think you are very capable of producing this as scum too.
Post 519 - Very fun post, although very strong confidence for so little accuracy.
Post 631 - Improving accuracy-wise. #632 is a meta-dive that you aren't willing to do on me here. Why?
(B)

Post 861 - Good post, good intuition. How is springlullaby not giving in to an easy claim here?
Post 1198 - Good post, also similar to what you're trying to do here.


Mini Normal 2118 - Ame Town Neighbor
(also hectic scum here, reminder for later)
Post 114 + Post 127 + Post 152 - You can produce readlists, taking note of that. Can you post your readlist for this game?
Post 138 - Yeah, i agree. If done within the realm of reason as you are doing here. Surface, blank omgus is NAI.
Post 214 - So you know what a "lean" is, why aren't you using that knowledge in this game?
Post 689 - This is a very good post from you, that once again leaves me wondering why you aren't making use of meta in this game, or why you aren't using the same measure against overconfidence.
Post 923 - You're clearly fitting a player profile of town tunneler.
Post 1228 - You clearly get better in the lategame both in terms of accuracy and townspew, this is the second time that sheeping you would have produced a victory but it slipped away from your hands

Mini Normal 2115 - Ame Tracker

So yeah i was about to check this too but i got tired after 3 games, i think the pattern is clear. Conclusions:

1) You tend to tunnel on players and build strong confidence for little reason on your reads, looking for evidence supporting premade conclusions. Checks.
2) Re-evaluation is outside of your townrange unless meta-diving or lategame, where your accuracy is also improving greatly. Checks.
3) You are highly influenced by personal friction. Checks (See A and B)
4) You tend to believe surface-level reasoning too easily, such as unprovoked PR claims. Checks.

It's unfortunate that you do not have a scumgame to produce - barring any alt that i am not aware of - but i think your behavior here is at least fitting for town!you. Townreading and testing springlullaby also makes sense coming from you, but i advise to learn from your past mistakes. Misplaced confidence can be catastrophical as a charismatic townplayer, i speak from experience.

Town!Ame chance: ~90%, scum!Ame: ~10% (base scum EV: 23%)

I've been writing this for more than one hour. I think it's a good sample data for sorting Ame by meta. Good night.

-Farkran

Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 11:23 am
by Ginngie
In post 950, Farkset wrote:Do you have no completed scumgames in your records, Ame?


Post 1733 - Inquisitive case against FL and una, turned out wrong on both. Displays strong confidence in her reads, although unjustified for a player who replaced in and announced a catchup of over 1700 posts that was then completed within the subsequent 3 hours.
Post 1735 - Call to arms for her townreads, similar to the last line of .
Post 1919 - 1 out of 4 correct, also confidence is waning
Post 1922 - So you are capable of searching and providing scumgames when you want to. Why did you refuse to answer me when i asked?
(A)

Post 1941 - Why profii and una are town now?
Post 2040 - Similar accusations that you're moving towards Farkset here
Post 2062 - Can you see how you can misplace confidence in your reads, for so little reason?


(also Hectic town here, reminder for later)
Post 138 - Why are you mad at iconeum here? Is he any different than springlullaby, whose only scumreads are against people who scumread her? Is he any different than you, who refused to answer him there, and refused to provide a scumgame when asked here?
Post 184 - Similar line of aggressiveness as here.
Post 368 - You clearly like wallposting and color coding. I appreciate it, although i think you are very capable of producing this as scum too.
Post 519 - Very fun post, although very strong confidence for so little accuracy.
Post 631 - Improving accuracy-wise. #632 is a meta-dive that you aren't willing to do on me here. Why?
(B)

Post 861 - Good post, good intuition. How is springlullaby not giving in to an easy claim here?
Post 1198 - Good post, also similar to what you're trying to do here.


(also hectic scum here, reminder for later)
Post 114 + Post 127 + Post 152 - You can produce readlists, taking note of that. Can you post your readlist for this game?
Post 138 - Yeah, i agree. If done within the realm of reason as you are doing here. Surface, blank omgus is NAI.
Post 214 - So you know what a "lean" is, why aren't you using that knowledge in this game?
Post 689 - This is a very good post from you, that once again leaves me wondering why you aren't making use of meta in this game, or why you aren't using the same measure against overconfidence.
Post 923 - You're clearly fitting a player profile of town tunneler.
Post 1228 - You clearly get better in the lategame both in terms of accuracy and townspew, this is the second time that sheeping you would have produced a victory but it slipped away from your hands


So yeah i was about to check this too but i got tired after 3 games, i think the pattern is clear. Conclusions:

1) You tend to tunnel on players and build strong confidence for little reason on your reads, looking for evidence supporting premade conclusions. Checks.
2) Re-evaluation is outside of your townrange unless meta-diving or lategame, where your accuracy is also improving greatly. Checks.
3) You are highly influenced by personal friction. Checks (See A and B)
4) You tend to believe surface-level reasoning too easily, such as unprovoked PR claims. Checks.

It's unfortunate that you do not have a scumgame to produce - barring any alt that i am not aware of - but i think your behavior here is at least fitting for town!you. Townreading and testing springlullaby also makes sense coming from you, but i advise to learn from your past mistakes. Misplaced confidence can be catastrophical as a charismatic townplayer, i speak from experience.

Town!Ame chance: ~90%, scum!Ame: ~10% (base scum EV: 23%)

I've been writing this for more than one hour. I think it's a good sample data for sorting Ame by meta. Good night.

-Farkran
I'm sorry but this is never going to flip fucking scum.

Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 1:49 pm
by Ame
Ginnie, why have you been upset these past couple of pages? It seems to have come out of nowhere. Why don't you think Fark flips scum? You've seen high effort scum before. Mastina made analysis posts three times as long in the previous XP mafia.

@Fark omg that looks awesome! I'm going to read it in a bit.

Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 1:56 pm
by Ginngie
In post 952, Ame wrote:Ginnie, why have you been upset these past couple of pages? It seems to have come out of nowhere. Why don't you think Fark flips scum? You've seen high effort scum before. Mastina made analysis posts three times as long in the previous XP mafia.
probably IRL matters projecting my games. Then a couple of other arguments. Overall very angry and emotional as of recent.

I weighed both motivations as town and scum and I just dont see the reality of digging up your past games and breaking them each down like that.

Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 2:37 pm
by Raya36
In post 902, Lady Chloe wrote:Blessed Ones,
In post 862, Pink Ball wrote:And even if spring was scum which is unlikely, roleblocking a claimed voyeur is not ideal
This is the underlying point on why I haven't voted to capture springlullaby.

As well as point on my hesitance to capture. Some PRs may mechanically need as many XP-gain opportunities as available to effectively serve town.

Capture is not a lynch, but some town players may feel the reward of using their powers to it's highest potential to outweigh the risk of claiming.

This is my final point on the ability of no capture. I accept rebuttals.
Overall I disagree but I think this is a town pov. Also I really like the thought process in .


I'm getting a headache trying to read back through the recent pages. As of now the two main wagons seem to be spring and Farkset. Since I townread spring and bottom null for Farkset right now I'd rather vote there but I want to actually go through before I commit to that.

Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 2:39 pm
by Raya36
Also I'd be happy with the leader being Ame (if they join the quest. I don't believe they said they are in it?) or Spring. If Ame is in the quest I'd prefer there because they're my strongest townread and they think very strategically. I'm still happy with spring as they are also a townread of mine but I'm more hesitant becayse of how bad he wants it.

Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 2:59 pm
by Ame
Fark, my issue with you is that (a) you're not actually addressing the points that I'm making and (b) you're misconstruing my motivations. I am not at all tunneling you and very much open to the idea that you are town. You began to claim that I was tunneling you (or that my questions were loaded) after
one
post (I made the first part of my case in , the first time I voice suspicion, and you immediately began to portray it as tunneling). Yet at every step of the process, I have been open to you dismantling my suspicions, and I desire it.

~I provided an outline in on what I would specifically like addressed. And showed that I'm willing to accept an adequate counter.
~I've labeled each piece of evidence so that you can easily address and dismantle them .
~I've outlined the entire scope of our conversation so you can see where I am perceiving contradictions .

I was absolutely being genuine in . Your explanation made sense and I was ready to drop the matter. I wasn't at all expecting you to answer the way you did. I thought you made a typo and meant "if springlul flips town." I was sincere in my request for clarification, but you assumed I was asking you to get you in some sort of gotcha, and your whole approach to my case is based on that. I'm not trying to trap you, I'm trying to come to an understanding. I very much would like for the other two components my case to turn
green
, but for that to occur I need you to understand that (a) I am not as close-minded as you think, (b) I can only judge you by the words you've actually said not what you wish they said, and (c) I need the points addressed directly, sequentially, and logically.

For instance, you claiming that
I think the scum team is distancing themselves by being on the opposite ends of
town!Spring: Some are pocketing her
and
some are going for low hanging fruit.
is that same as
Depending on her flip we can determine if she was
townSpring being pocketed
or
scumSpring being chainsaw defended.
or as
Depending on her flip, we can determine
who was being weird
and
who was being genuine
.
is illogical. They are NOT the same, and you claiming otherwise tells me that you are either not being intellectually sincere or you are too caught up with your own preconceived notions behind my motivations that you're unable to see the reason behind my concerns and thus incapable of explaining them in an adequate manner.

The last version of the dichotomy is acceptable, but it is not at all what you were speculating about IN YOUR ORIGINAL POST:
In post 553, Farkset wrote:
There is only one reason currently to believe she could be town, and that's how others are behaving around her. I think it's more than plausible that scum are putting up a theater to achieve several results:


1) distance themselves by having the scumteam side with or against springlullaby
2) those who are siding against her (and the majority) are pushing a very easy lhf
3) those who are siding with her will be pocketing her hard because she is the one with surface reads/reactions

Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 3:25 pm
by Ame
@Ginnie I know exactly what you mean! I had to take a break a while back as I was becoming hella cranky. Feel better :3!! I think Fark's post very much can come from scum, mainly because I've done something nearly identical in order to be town read. Here's the post.

@Fark, that's the link to my scum game. It's the only one I have on here. I didn't provide it before because I wanted to see you go through all my town games :3

Some notes on your analysis:
~I experiment with different play styles in different games. Those games that I replaced into, Mini Normal 2121 - Ame VT, and that one you two were in and quick lynched me as soon as I replaced in, I was trying out a style where I primarily read in ISO the players that were living, without bothering to read everything else. As you see, that didn't turn out so well.
~In this game, I am trying to avoid meta diving, similar to here. But like there, I will probably eventually give in because it's honestly my best method of reading people.


@Raya, I'll join the quest if I'm elected leader.

@Lady, yes please leave the quest. Ideally, I'd like a few of us off. I'm currently off. If I join due to leader, I'd still like for this to be the case. A safe measure.

Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 3:45 pm
by Flight of the Conchords
I just stopped by to say I am being quiet to allow for others to take part in the discussion.

-Jermaine

Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 3:49 pm
by Not Known 15
HURT: Farkset
The motivation does indeed seem to be hidden here. Probably scum?
Also, the leader on the quest should be me, because I am town.

Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 4:06 pm
by Pink Ball
I decided I want Ame as the leader and

HURT: momo

That would be all

Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 4:35 pm
by Raya36
Leader: Ame

Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 4:48 pm
by springlullaby
Ame, I'd like you to stay out of the quest.
Is that ok?

Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 5:04 pm
by Lady Chloe
I am out of the Quest.

Town

Raya-Ame
FotC-Ginngie-Hectic
Pine-Pink Ball-springlullaby
Farkset
mastina-momo
Scum


A rough outline of my reads.

Hectic,

Where is this post about Kerset assessing the value of capture?
In post 943, Hectic wrote:
In post 773, Lady Chloe wrote:Hectic,
In post 674, Hectic wrote:As you wish, Lady Chloe.

You are on the RMS Moriarty. The course is set for
XP Island
. However, a tragedy has occurred. Captain
the worst
was killed in a freak accident while
Vending Fruit
to a
Paranoid Gun Owner
. The PGO fled the scene before anyone got a good look at them.

A short time later: springlullaby was found singing poems about Farkset nearby, while Ame was practising her demonic faces. You have a [Hydra, and Portable Ram] at your disposal.
Hydra. They have more eyes for different ways of seeing, and lips to make it harder to speak any lies.
Nice. You carefully take out the hydra you had stored in your backpack. This one has 3 heads, and you hear several complaints behind you about how you're "ruining the game" and that "all hydras should be policy lynched". Your hydra snaps at them and scares the heathens away.

springlullaby has stopped singing Farkset's praises and is now staring at you inquisitively. Her eyes are sending a flurry of ^s your way. Ame seems to have fallen asleep; she must be entering her dreams to figure out the mastermind behind Captain
the worst's
murder.

Which players from [Flavor Leaf, Ginnie, Something_Smart, momo, Raya36, popsofctown] does your hydra contain? And who would you like to approach of [springlullaby, Ame]?
The hydra consists of:
Something_Smart. popsofctown. Ginngie.

Those three are ones I am most familiar with, are on good terms with, and would solve best with. Yes, this is an allusion to potential mains.

I would approach springlullaby to understand the shift in her attitude.

Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 5:11 pm
by Raya36
You don't have any scum reads or even scumleans?

Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 5:14 pm
by Lady Chloe
I believe you misinterpreted, bottom three are scumleans of any degree of confidence.

It is not a readslist structured by listing others in a category, but how I read them compared to other players.

Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 5:19 pm
by Lady Chloe
I am not satisfied with the readslist on a universal standpoint.

I want to re-evaluate my reads until there are less than 2-3 lines, perhaps 4.

Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 5:19 pm
by Raya36
Oh I see. I did misinterpret. I thought "Town" and "Scum" were titles.
Thanks for clearing that up

Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 10:35 pm
by Farkset
I'll answer ame as soon as i get to the desktop.

Quick things to note:
- 959 is a bad vote with NK15 progression
- 962 is clearly made with the intent of driving leader competition out of the quest and it's likely the first thing that can make springlul and ame disaligned
- 960+963 why you aren't committing to one of the main wagons now?

-Farkran

Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 10:40 pm
by Farkset
Oh and before i go on another wall answering you ame, i'd like to ask one thing that is the basis of my argument, and if we disagree on that there is no way i could explain my pov

Do you agree with me that, at least before the farkset-ame 1v1, the playerlist was fractured around springlullaby, taking strong stances in either direction?

-Farkran

Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2020 12:06 am
by Farkset
In post 956, Ame wrote:Fark, my issue with you is that (a) you're not actually addressing the points that I'm making and (b) you're misconstruing my motivations.
You blame farkran that after dozens of replies, he sitll didn't answer points that you make but meantime you never answered my ...
~ker

Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2020 12:45 am
by Lady Chloe
In post 963, Lady Chloe wrote:
Town

Raya-Ame
FotC-Ginngie-Hectic
Pine-Pink Ball-springlullaby-
NK15

Farkset
mastina-momo
Scum
Dear, there is too many oxygen-mongers.

Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2020 12:46 am
by Lady Chloe
In post 971, Lady Chloe wrote:
In post 963, Lady Chloe wrote:
Town

Raya-Ame
FotC-Ginngie-Hectic
Pine-Pink Ball-springlullaby-
NK15

Farkset
mastina-momo
Scum
Dear, there
are
too many oxygen-mongers.
My clone committed that grammar mistake. Pardon me for one second.

Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2020 12:47 am
by Lady Chloe
In post 972, Lady Chloe wrote:
In post 971, Lady Chloe wrote:
In post 963, Lady Chloe wrote:
Town

Raya-Ame
FotC-Ginngie-Hectic
Pine-Pink Ball-springlullaby-
NK15

Farkset
mastina-momo
Scum
Dear, there
are
too many oxygen-mongers.
My clone committed that grammar mistake. Pardon me for one second.
This is the original, or so, I must lead you all to believe.

Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2020 3:06 am
by momo
In post 882, Ame wrote:(1) Have you done either of these yet? The meta dives that is.
Went through some of hectic's past games looking for tonal observations. I think that he is town.

(2) Who do you find suspicious other than Spring?
At the moment, I'll say that I find flight scummy as well.

(3) What do you think of the reasoning presented in 454?
It's good logic. I read the Hectic post referenced as a townslip. The case on spring is pretty solid too.

(4) What's the origin of your username? I think of momo from A:TLA. But also of peaches.
It's an abbreviation of a joke with some friends irl.