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Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2020 3:11 am
by Fredrick A Campbell
I think the scumteam is ItalianoVD and LavarManos.

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2020 4:25 am
by ItalianoVD
I’ve read the past few pages and I think at this point we should all list our scumteam.

Frederick already stated his and I don’t blame him for thinking that even though it’s only halfway true.

My scumteam is Lavar and Casey, however, I’ve been wrong on both days so far (shelly / rocknil) so I’m not real confident about placing a vote down unplanned or without logic. I would like to hear from Frogster.

At that point I will make my decision and if the consensus ends up being me, there’s nothing I can do, but it’d be game over at that point.

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2020 4:54 am
by Casey
Awake again!
In post 895, ItalianoVD wrote:
In post 885, Casey wrote:Fred are you going to continue to question the unCC'd power role or are you going to do something useful?
Are you?
No. Is there some reason I should be?

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2020 5:02 am
by Casey
In post 914, Frogsterking wrote:I'm probably going to need a fellow townsperson to bounce ideas off with. I just finished doing VCA of D1 up to 1.06. I'm going to see if I can go the rest of the way through the day now.

Casey or Frederick, do you have any experience in VCA?
I don't, but I can try. What do I do?

Fred was the only living non-you player not on the Rocknil lim. Although what's the likelihood two maf would be the first two on a wagon in order to bully it across the finish line?

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2020 5:03 am
by Casey
In post 915, Frogsterking wrote:
In post 781, Casey wrote:
In post 768, Frogsterking wrote:At this point I would be the second townie you overreacted to in an OMGUS [...]

VOTE: Frederick
I'd just like to point out the irony here.
Casey how did you know that this post was ironic?
Because you were the one who actually laid down an OMGUS vote. Fred hadn't voted you at this point.

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2020 5:31 am
by Casey
In post 919, Frogsterking wrote:I'm going to give everyone one more round of posts tomorrow before I dump my thoughts out. If you're the scum team this will probably be your last chance to change my mind.

These were the sources I used for understanding VCA:

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... unting#VCA
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... _VCA_Guide
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=VCA
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?t=70951

I was hoping to find a greater variety of sources on the topic but it seems to be something more effective in the MafiaScum format.

This writer (or writers with similar names) predicted this information would become outdated as scum became familiar with the theory which I don't believe was the case at all in this game.
One of those sources looked like it was the same text.

These quotes suggest I just gave Fred townpoints for something I should have given him scumpoints for:

"
Town [lim]:
Look off the mis[lim] wagon.

The first place I look for scum on a mis[lim] is OFF the wagon--I try to determine how many scum (if any) there are, and who the probable candidates are. Sometimes, there are situations where there are none to be found, or far fewer to be found than expected...and in those situations, by virtue of doing this analysis, I have a better idea of how good or bad the mis[lim] wagon was.

[...]

Scum could EASILY vote park on a "push" going nowhere. The question is if the wagon ever did anything. If not, congrats, it's >rand scum voter.
"

I'm not totally convinced by this and I think it's dumb.

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2020 5:47 am
by Casey
In post 688, LavarManos wrote:I am fine with that.
rocknil said he was going to look for the scum team though, so I think we should at least give him that chance to get his thoughts out in the case he is town. In fact, if he does flip town, I will be questioning my townreads on you and Italiano.
Casey seems fine.
Posts like these are what make me think Lavar is town.

But then I cross that with Italiano's sheer confidence and Fred's familiar aloofness and a "pick two" situation just makes me freeze up.

One of you just do something extremely townie or extremely scummy please. Or someone talk to me.

One day I will probably take aim, close my eyes, and snap-vote based on how my gut is feeling.

Gun to my head I'd say Fred/Lavar because I've been able to connect on a better level with Italiano.

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:34 am
by Frogsterking
Alright I'm going to wait a little longer for Lavar to post his scum team

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2020 11:15 am
by Frogsterking
Do the mafia have day chat?

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:11 pm
by Fredrick A Campbell
In post 958, Frogsterking wrote:Do the mafia have day chat?
Newbie games have had day chat since they last changed the setup I think.

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:12 pm
by Fredrick A Campbell
In post 951, ItalianoVD wrote:I’ve read the past few pages and I think at this point we should all list our scumteam.

Frederick already stated his and I don’t blame him for thinking that even though it’s only halfway true.

My scumteam is Lavar and Casey, however, I’ve been wrong on both days so far (shelly / rocknil) so I’m not real confident about placing a vote down unplanned or without logic. I would like to hear from Frogster.

At that point I will make my decision and if the consensus ends up being me, there’s nothing I can do, but it’d be game over at that point.
"Frederick already stated his and I don’t blame him for thinking that even though it’s only halfway true."

How would you know that it is only halfway true?

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:18 pm
by Frogsterking
In post 959, Fredrick A Campbell wrote:
In post 958, Frogsterking wrote:Do the mafia have day chat?
Newbie games have had day chat since they last changed the setup I think.
That's how todays posts look to me.
In post 960, Fredrick A Campbell wrote:
In post 951, ItalianoVD wrote:I’ve read the past few pages and I think at this point we should all list our scumteam.

Frederick already stated his and I don’t blame him for thinking that even though it’s only halfway true.

My scumteam is Lavar and Casey, however, I’ve been wrong on both days so far (shelly / rocknil) so I’m not real confident about placing a vote down unplanned or without logic. I would like to hear from Frogster.

At that point I will make my decision and if the consensus ends up being me, there’s nothing I can do, but it’d be game over at that point.
"Frederick already stated his and I don’t blame him for thinking that even though it’s only halfway true."

How would you know that it is only halfway true?
I was thinking the same thing.

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:20 pm
by Frogsterking
I'm still waiting for Lavar to post his reads before I reveal the results of the VCA I did last night.

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:44 pm
by Frogsterking
In post 951, ItalianoVD wrote:I’ve read the past few pages and I think at this point we should all list our scumteam.

Frederick already stated his and I don’t blame him for thinking that even though it’s only halfway true.

My scumteam is Lavar and Casey, however, I’ve been wrong on both days so far (shelly / rocknil) so I’m not real confident about placing a vote down unplanned or without logic. I would like to hear from Frogster.

At that point I will make my decision and if the consensus ends up being me, there’s nothing I can do, but it’d be game over at that point.
What about Frederick?

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:48 pm
by Frogsterking
In post 633, Redados wrote:I have no read on Italiano but at this point I think I might cross my fingers and just hope he's town the same way I hope you are town.
I've also noticed that Redados N2 target hasn't come forward yet. From this comment I assume it's Italiano.

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2020 4:46 pm
by ItalianoVD
In post 952, Casey wrote:Awake again!
In post 895, ItalianoVD wrote:
In post 885, Casey wrote:Fred are you going to continue to question the unCC'd power role or are you going to do something useful?
Are you?
No. Is there some reason I should be?
Just pointing out how you are pushing Frederick to do something you are not doing yourself.
In post 960, Fredrick A Campbell wrote:
In post 951, ItalianoVD wrote:I’ve read the past few pages and I think at this point we should all list our scumteam.

Frederick already stated his and I don’t blame him for thinking that even though it’s only halfway true.

My scumteam is Lavar and Casey, however, I’ve been wrong on both days so far (shelly / rocknil) so I’m not real confident about placing a vote down unplanned or without logic. I would like to hear from Frogster.

At that point I will make my decision and if the consensus ends up being me, there’s nothing I can do, but it’d be game over at that point.
"Frederick already stated his and I don’t blame him for thinking that even though it’s only halfway true."

How would you know that it is only halfway true?
Ahh I see how that reads weird. So if I’m town and I scumread Lavar then a potential scumteam of he and I would not be right on my part and only true on his part. I worded it odd, but that was my sentiment.
In post 963, Frogsterking wrote:
In post 951, ItalianoVD wrote:I’ve read the past few pages and I think at this point we should all list our scumteam.

Frederick already stated his and I don’t blame him for thinking that even though it’s only halfway true.

My scumteam is Lavar and Casey, however, I’ve been wrong on both days so far (shelly / rocknil) so I’m not real confident about placing a vote down unplanned or without logic. I would like to hear from Frogster.

At that point I will make my decision and if the consensus ends up being me, there’s nothing I can do, but it’d be game over at that point.
What about Frederick?
Well yeah, Frederick already listed his scumteam.
In post 964, Frogsterking wrote:
In post 633, Redados wrote:I have no read on Italiano but at this point I think I might cross my fingers and just hope he's town the same way I hope you are town.
I've also noticed that Redados N2 target hasn't come forward yet. From this comment I assume it's Italiano.
Nope, not me.

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2020 5:11 pm
by Fredrick A Campbell
In post 965, ItalianoVD wrote:
In post 952, Casey wrote:Awake again!
In post 895, ItalianoVD wrote:
In post 885, Casey wrote:Fred are you going to continue to question the unCC'd power role or are you going to do something useful?
Are you?
No. Is there some reason I should be?
Just pointing out how you are pushing Frederick to do something you are not doing yourself.
In post 960, Fredrick A Campbell wrote:
In post 951, ItalianoVD wrote:I’ve read the past few pages and I think at this point we should all list our scumteam.

Frederick already stated his and I don’t blame him for thinking that even though it’s only halfway true.

My scumteam is Lavar and Casey, however, I’ve been wrong on both days so far (shelly / rocknil) so I’m not real confident about placing a vote down unplanned or without logic. I would like to hear from Frogster.

At that point I will make my decision and if the consensus ends up being me, there’s nothing I can do, but it’d be game over at that point.
"Frederick already stated his and I don’t blame him for thinking that even though it’s only halfway true."

How would you know that it is only halfway true?
Ahh I see how that reads weird. So if I’m town and I scumread Lavar then a potential scumteam of he and I would not be right on my part and only true on his part. I worded it odd, but that was my sentiment.
In post 963, Frogsterking wrote:
In post 951, ItalianoVD wrote:I’ve read the past few pages and I think at this point we should all list our scumteam.

Frederick already stated his and I don’t blame him for thinking that even though it’s only halfway true.

My scumteam is Lavar and Casey, however, I’ve been wrong on both days so far (shelly / rocknil) so I’m not real confident about placing a vote down unplanned or without logic. I would like to hear from Frogster.

At that point I will make my decision and if the consensus ends up being me, there’s nothing I can do, but it’d be game over at that point.
What about Frederick?
Well yeah, Frederick already listed his scumteam.
In post 964, Frogsterking wrote:
In post 633, Redados wrote:I have no read on Italiano but at this point I think I might cross my fingers and just hope he's town the same way I hope you are town.
I've also noticed that Redados N2 target hasn't come forward yet. From this comment I assume it's Italiano.
Nope, not me.
"Ahh I see how that reads weird. So if I’m town and I scumread Lavar then a potential scumteam of he and I would not be right on my part and only true on his part. I worded it odd, but that was my sentiment."

Fredrick's comprehension.exe has stopped responding...

I don't understand what you mean.

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2020 6:53 pm
by ItalianoVD
Aight sorry, let me try it again. You stated that you think the scumteam is Lavar and I. I stated that according to what you said, your theory is only halfway true because I am town.

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2020 7:51 pm
by Fredrick A Campbell
If that was what you meant, why did you phrase it "if I'm town" though?

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2020 8:43 pm
by ItalianoVD
In post 968, Fredrick A Campbell wrote:If that was what you meant, why did you phrase it "if I'm town" though?
It was supposed to read like a scenario.

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2020 11:17 pm
by Fredrick A Campbell
In post 951, ItalianoVD wrote the following:

"Frederick already stated his and I don’t blame him for thinking that even though it’s only halfway true."

How would you know if LavarManos was scum though?

Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2020 2:27 am
by Frogsterking
Apparently I was Redados N2 target lol

Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2020 2:27 am
by Frogsterking
And I can confirm that Redados is indeed town

Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2020 2:39 am
by Casey
In post 965, ItalianoVD wrote:
In post 952, Casey wrote:Awake again!
In post 895, ItalianoVD wrote:
In post 885, Casey wrote:Fred are you going to continue to question the unCC'd power role or are you going to do something useful?
Are you?
No. Is there some reason I should be?
Just pointing out how you are pushing Frederick to do something you are not doing yourself.
I am literally not doing that.

Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2020 2:43 am
by Casey
I just looked back at my ISO and yeah I have zero clue what you're talking about.