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Post Post #975 (ISO) » Mon Aug 14, 2006 12:15 pm

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Vote: Drummer
, I'm certainly not believing you investigated a confirmed tracker.

[quote="Drummer"Okay. According to you, the scum group would have to be (ibaesha, mbl, ces) if I'm town. Earlier I said that your logic was painting "scum" all over you from my perspective. You disagreed. Wha...? And now you're laying it out that you're scum if I'm town?! What's with that? How can I not think you're scum based on your own argument? I can understand why you claim I'm your #1 choice...but you cannot possibly still say that it doesn't reapply directly onto you.[/quote]
I disagreed because my argument does not rely on me being pro-town. Although I guess you should think I'm scum, but not more so than Ibby or MBL.
Drummer wrote:But wait. It's been brought up that perhaps there are just two scum. I certainly felt that Fritz's role was neutral, waiting to turn scum. I mean, come on, he had psychological problems, right? I guess it's quite possible that there are just two bad guys left. The scum group I was thinking of won't be so cut and paste.
Firstly, our mafia has a very specific flavour(see the first post), so being kinda crazy certainly isn't reason to think he's a mafia traitor of some kind. Secondly, we have seen too much pro-town power to justify the scum group being weakened in such a way. Thirdly, an insane cop is pro-town too. Psychological problems don't always point to scum.
Drummer wrote:*shrug* Forgot about her. I don't know what to make of her. It would clear my suspicions of CES a great deal if she were a scum roleblocker. Possible, but it's one of those things that you never know about.
You do realize Machi and Mike have also claimed to be blocked, in all likelihood by a scum rber?
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Post Post #976 (ISO) » Mon Aug 14, 2006 12:17 pm

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Actually, I agree with Mike. I am fairly confident I can tell what color floor MBL is on (due to M-M's tracking result, among other things... like applying common sense). And M-M's color is nothing new. I'm not impressed with this claim at all, I have to say. :?

I am absolutely baffled that Drummer chose to 'investigate' M-M... he was one of the most confirmed players in the game. Did M-M really need a
third
player verifying his claim? We already had the note on Day One and Thok's investigation: why did he need another? A better investigation target, by far, would have been somebody like CES, Ibaesha, or AmeliaSlay.

I'm very much liking the AmeliaSlay - Drummer scumgroup. There might not even be a third scum, for all we know (Fritzler being semi-scum would not surprise me). I'm getting close to placing my vote back on Amelia at this point, but I'll wait and see if MBL still wants to claim or anything (which I
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Post Post #977 (ISO) » Mon Aug 14, 2006 12:19 pm

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Also MBL, I personally think someone on the Red floor was targetted. So I'm not answering that question currently as it would say something about the floor I'm on.
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Post Post #978 (ISO) » Mon Aug 14, 2006 12:19 pm

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Oh, Drummer's not a bad place for a vote either. I'll still wait to hear what MBL thinks, however.
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Post Post #979 (ISO) » Mon Aug 14, 2006 12:20 pm

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Drummer, what's my floor color? Everyone seems to have figured it out already, so I suppose there's no harm in announcing your result on me.
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Post Post #980 (ISO) » Mon Aug 14, 2006 12:33 pm

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Wow Drummer, I have the note and thok's investigation to verify me, yet you still chose to investigate me?

The only feasible scenario I can think of is you wanting to make sure with your scum buddies that I wasn't lying about my floor color just to attract a kill and let the kill fail.
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Post Post #981 (ISO) » Mon Aug 14, 2006 12:45 pm

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That or he's just making up the ability.
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Post Post #982 (ISO) » Tue Aug 15, 2006 7:54 am

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Waiting on Drummer to claim his results.
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Post Post #983 (ISO) » Tue Aug 15, 2006 5:39 pm

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Ditto
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Post Post #984 (ISO) » Wed Aug 16, 2006 10:26 am

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Waiting for Drummer to be lynched.
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Post Post #985 (ISO) » Wed Aug 16, 2006 11:03 am

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Post Post #986 (ISO) » Wed Aug 16, 2006 11:22 am

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Post Post #987 (ISO) » Wed Aug 16, 2006 6:21 pm

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*Sits back and drinks some lemonade*

MBL, do you want some of this sammich? It's club... mustard, not mayo.
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Post Post #988 (ISO) » Wed Aug 16, 2006 6:54 pm

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I say old chap I'll have a wedge. Ibby, will you take sugar with your Earl Grey?
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Post Post #989 (ISO) » Wed Aug 16, 2006 7:10 pm

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Hold the sugar. Is there any cake?
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Post Post #990 (ISO) » Wed Aug 16, 2006 10:51 pm

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I brought some, but that evil Drummer ate it all.
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Post Post #991 (ISO) » Wed Aug 16, 2006 11:17 pm

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How about some buttery and fatty popcorn for everyone!
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Post Post #992 (ISO) » Thu Aug 17, 2006 5:36 am

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I prefer cinnamon and sugar doughnuts myself.. brought a box if anyone wants some.
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Post Post #993 (ISO) » Thu Aug 17, 2006 7:54 am

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Regardless of how "confirmed" MM is, he had floor-claimed already. I suppose at the time I thought it would be worth checking.

Just so everyone knows,
nobody
is confirmed in this game. Sorry if that's tough for you. I have a list of "probable" townies, but no one is confirmed by any stretch. Not till they're dead.
Mike wrote:Wow. This is pointless. We already know M-M's floor color and *I* could tell everyone MBL's floor color at this point. This information is of seemingly no use to me.
Yeah, well, you were the one who wanted me to tell you. And I don't think there's really anyone who
doesn't
know MBL's floor right now. He's on red floor obviously. And MM told the truth, as I should have expected I guess. He's yellow.
CES wrote:Vote: Drummer, I'm certainly not believing you investigated a confirmed tracker.
MM's not confirmed, nobody is. Likely town, but not confirmed.
CES wrote:Firstly, our mafia has a very specific flavour(see the first post), so being kinda crazy certainly isn't reason to think he's a mafia traitor of some kind. Secondly, we have seen too much pro-town power to justify the scum group being weakened in such a way. Thirdly, an insane cop is pro-town too. Psychological problems don't always point to scum.
Mafia traitor? I assume you mean something about neutral who turns scum? Why would there not be a reason? His role is *incredibly* suggestive of that possibility in my opinion. If you don't want to see what's right there, then I can't make you.

Huh? How would gaining another scum player be a "weakening" affect on the scum? My friend, that's just dumb. Gaining more people makes the mafia
stronger
, wouldn't you think?

And on your third point...I really don't know what you're talking about with an insane cop. Are you reading two different games at once again? You know how that confuses you. I seem to recall Fritz's role having to do with being a doc, nothing about cop.
CES wrote:You do realize Machi and Mike have also claimed to be blocked, in all likelihood by a scum rber?
Um, ok. Is there somewhere you were going with this? I'm starting to get the impression that you're wildly misreading my posts just because you're so certain I'm scum.

Anyway, lynch me if you guys think that's the play. I'll admit that it would be tough to get much more use out of my role now. I guess I can
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I still think PJ, MM, and MBF are probably town. Bear in mind, for heaven's sake, that doesn't mean I'm certain of them.
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Post Post #994 (ISO) » Thu Aug 17, 2006 9:01 am

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Drummer's right about my floor, but I also suspect that scum tried to kill me night 2 and thus they've known what floor I'm on for some time.
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Post Post #995 (ISO) » Thu Aug 17, 2006 10:59 am

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Okay, here's a few conclusions that I've reached:

M-M and I are pro-town. I know I'm clean, and Thok verifies it. He also verifies M-M's tracker ability, which insinuates his townness to me.

Amelia is a roleblocker. First of all, Drummer can directly confirm her ability, and Amelia announced that she roleblocked PJ and Ibby before either of them acknowledged that they are not told if the are blocked. This would have been an extremly risky gambit if she were lying.

Amelia is pro-town. MM and I, who are essentially both confirmed innocent, have been blocked every night. Since Amelia was busy blocking Drummer, PJ, and Ibby, that means that there is a second roleblocker. Since nobody has revealed themselves as the other blocker, and since they have been blocking claimed power roles, we can assume that they are the Mafia's blocker. Since I don't believe there to be multiple Mafia roleblockers, Amelia is likely to be the town blocker.

CEM, Ibby, and MBL are not the scumgroup. As CEM has pointed out,
If {CEM, Ibby, MBL} were the scum group, Mike, then how does one explain the lack of kill night 2? Pie was dead. Fritzler and Thok weren't on Red and everyone else(MBF, M-M, PJ, Drummer, Amelia) have all effectively claimed not to be Red. Any Reds left are among {CEM, Ibby, MBL}.


What's left?

Drummer - MBL - Ibby
Drummer - MBL - Cogito
Drummer - MBL - Ibby
Drummer - MBL - PJ
Drummer - Cogito - Ibby
Drummer - Cogito - PJ
Drummer - Ibby - PJ
MBL - Cogito - PJ
MBL - Ibby - PJ
Cogito - Ibby - PJ

I'm feeling pretty good about the town's odds right now. I'm personally leaning towards a Drummer lynch, with PJ and either Cogito or Ibby as the scummates.
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Post Post #996 (ISO) » Thu Aug 17, 2006 11:14 am

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:x

You can be very sure that I am not Drummer's scummate, nor
anybody's
scummate, Mike.

However, there
is
a slight problem with that analysis on AmeliaSlay, and I think you are jumping to a conclusion without considering all of the facts we have.

1.) If Drummer is scum
with Amelia
, his 'confirmation' of Amelia's role-blocking means nothing (i.e. he could be scum
claiming
to have been role-blocked, so that he does not have to fake three "investigations" today). This could mean that Machiavellian-Mafia was the only person to be role-blocked on Night One, which supports there being only one role-blocker in the game.
2.) I could
not
confirm Amelia's claimed role-blocking on me. I don't know if I was role-blocked at all, because I made no night actions. Again, this could mean that Machiavellian-Mafia was the only person to be role-blocked on Night Two. We don't
know
that AmeliaSlay role-blocked me.
3.) You said yourself that you targeted MrBuddyLee on Night Three, and since he is in the
Red Floor
, it is only natural that your action didn't go through. You may not have been role-blocked at all, we don't know: the mechanics of this game are strange. If that is the case, then Ibaesha may have been the only person to be role-blocked on Night Three.

All of this could mean that there is only
one
role-blocker in the game, and it could
easily
be a scum role-blocker, and therefore AmeliaSlay.

Either way, I don't believe AmeliaSlay is the correct lynch today given the information we have. We can see where her role-blocker claim brings us tomorrow.

Given Drummer's claim (which seems more like a scum ability to help them with nightkills), his claimed investigations (which are almost
too
convenient), and through sheer process of elimination, I am rather happy with a:

Vote: Drummer
. We can deal with the AmeliaSlay issue tomorrow, at which time we should have more information than we have today.
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Post Post #997 (ISO) » Thu Aug 17, 2006 11:20 am

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mike wrote:What's left?

Drummer - MBL - Ibby
Drummer - MBL - Cogito
Drummer - MBL - Ibby
Drummer - MBL - PJ
Drummer - Cogito - Ibby
Drummer - Cogito - PJ
Drummer - Ibby - PJ
MBL - Cogito - PJ
MBL - Ibby - PJ
Cogito - Ibby - PJ
Mike you should subtract PJ from your permutations and add Amelia. I'm also pretty sure MBL is town, so my scum group would be from {Drummer, Amelia, CES, Ibby} With Drummer and Amelia for sure, and CES/Ibby being wild cards.
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Post Post #998 (ISO) » Thu Aug 17, 2006 11:40 am

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Oh. And I'll take a sugar doughnut if you don't mind, Amelia. Although I probably
should
be watching my figure... ah well. I'll pass on the popcorn though, I don't much like the kernels getting stuck in my chompers.
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Post Post #999 (ISO) » Thu Aug 17, 2006 12:45 pm

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Oh, and also MBF: Your list of possible scum-pairings is completely devoid of CES. Do you have a reason for this?
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