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In post 971, HockeyFan wrote:

In post 968, Andante wrote:why would that make him more likely to be town? claiming VT just tells maf to not kill you. there was no reason to claim

no reason to claim, but was at E-2 to E-3, mmph yeah. referring to 969, lets look at it from the other perspective too. What mafia says "Hey Im a VT!!" when thier wagon is not set in stone just yet

No reason to claim. correct! and ESPECIALLY with a VT claim... so every wagon we get to e-3 should claim?? no.. I don't think we're ever agreeing on it being towny to claim VT like that...


What maf says that? we're really doing this? maf will do all sorts of things just to be like "why would maf do that" wagon was far from set in stone... no reason to claim there if actually town... more often than not, maf will claim VT (in general) to look townier, and people go "well surely if maf, they wouldn't claim VT here" I don't buy that Eyes is legit a VT. Feels more like maf just discussed claims in the PT and someone said eyes will be vt

In post 974, HockeyFan wrote:no, Im not saying all VTs should claim rn, its a case by case thing, in eyes case it was good for him to claim VT imo, since now he looks more town to me, and the mroe town reads town gets, the faster we can get to scum

You tr the fact eyes claimed VT? townier cause of the VT claim... it makes the MOST sense for the scum with the most sus to claim vt.... by claiming VT eyes ensures they never die...

this is feeling like stephen v dwlee... I'm not going in circles, I'm off to bed. have a good rest of your night! I just don't like this strong defense for a vt claim....

Didn't Scorpius early game Vt and then we didn't kill him and he was scum like a few minis ago

Are we killing Scorp?

idk. did you want to?

In post 836, Frozen Angel wrote:explaining my entire read on him

you have a "null" read which isn't even a read.

fence sitting on a backup claim is so easy to do. Is he scum for claiming backup "I dont know" choose a side or shut up.

In post 841, Frozen Angel wrote:He literally threw the account under suspicious by first saying "Scum more likely claim like this"

Its not like I was town reading the guy and then I suddenly starting pushing him when he claimed pr. Its not different than you saying that backup would be easy to fakeclaim as scum while continuing to fencesit on him.

In post 841, Frozen Angel wrote:then gave himself an out by saying "but town does it too, lets eliminate it in future days"

I highly doubt that town you ever stops and thinks twice about voting a claimed PR. This is how I know you are scum here. Also, you won't even commit to a stance on him.

ofc you have that really bad fake lie that a backup isn't a pr.

In post 849, Frozen Angel wrote:He would not ever react like that to both eye theory and hockey claim the way he did if he was town and he would not act like he scum reads me the way he is doing it right now

you don't know me. You can't tell me what I will and won't do. This is fake.

In post 868, Greeting wrote:

In post 739, Nero Cain wrote:VOTE: Frozen Angel

call it an OMGUS if it makes you feel better but this is a scum slot

Why?

ISO me

In post 878, Greeting wrote:Really? I haven't seen scum fakeclaiming a PR early game like... ever. In fact, I'd say I haven't seen a lot of scum fakeclaiming PRs at all.

This is a pretty well known fact and maybe its more apparent to me b/c I've been here a played more than you have. Do you really think I'm lying about this? I guess you should get a little leeway since you've only been here half a year and you've only played in a few newbies and opens but I'm not the biggest fan of you defending Angel by saying that you haven't seen this.

In post 878, Greeting wrote:Please clarify if you think HockeyFan is fakeclaiming and if so then where does this leave you voting Frozen Angel instead.

That's the point. I don't know if he's fakeclaiming or not. Angel doesn't know if he's fakeclaiming or not and refuses to take a stance on him.

Angel is just scum regardless of his alignment.

In post 888, Frozen Angel wrote:He never ever ever expressed any sort of read on my slot beside his vote, which was a direct reaction to me calling him out on it.

actually...in 531 I said scum in likely to be in HockeyFan, Eyes without a face , Greeting, Scorpious, 0verki11, Frozen Angel

and then when AD was asking who to vote I said

In post 533, Nero Cain wrote:

In post 523, Andante wrote:who are we limming? or like top 2-3 names?

hockey? greeting? frozen angel? eyes?

In post 888, Frozen Angel wrote:"we did exact similar things"

I mean, they are close enough. I said that if he was scum he'd likely claim pr but that we should think about not voting out a claimed pr which is like decent-good town play. I mean what you said, that backup is ez to claim as scum, and berating him for claiming isn't fundamentally any different than what I said, It's just using alot more words and you are claiming that it's analysis which it really isn't. You are visibly upset that he potentially claimed his way out of elimination today and I could easily see scum you mad that he's no longer today's limbait.

In post 888, Frozen Angel wrote:dodges of the most attention wagons

I mean, I took a stance on Hockey and you didn't so who is really the one avoiding?

In post 903, wavemode wrote:I'm pretty sure umlaut is town

I wouldn't go that far but agree that Scorps vote is dumb. He just repped in and hasn't finished catching up though I would like him to talk about how he was agreeing with me on Hockey and then agreeing with YOU about my Hockey reads and that just seems...idk contradictory.

obviously, you like him b/c he's agreeing with you.

but Scorp voting there when we should be consolidating on hockey, angel or eyes is pretty dumb.

yeet

Eyes without a face [3]:

wavemode, Dwlee99, Andante

Scorpious [2]:

fireisredsir, Eyes without a face

HockeyFan [1]:

Stephen A Smith

Andante [1]:

HockeyFan

Nero Cain [1]:

Frozen Angel

Frozen Angel [1]:

Nero Cain

Umlaut [1]:

Scorpious

not voting [3]:

Umlaut, the worst, Greeting

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VOTE: Nero Cain

He has never developed any scumread on me. just shouting out he thinks I'm scum and voting me is not even developing a read. This literally can't be more fake than this

You were trying to call out repeatedly for calling you out for how what we were saying stuff were similar right? How did you reach from there to I'm scum?

You are visibly upset that he potentially claimed his way out of elimination today and I could easily see scum you mad that he's no longer today's limbait.

Could this be literally more shading? like you're literally looking for whatever you can to pretend your read on me is a legit developed one. Hockey was never even my focus or vote. I have been going after eye, andante and you. I even clearly stated that I have a town lean on hockey for his consistency way before his claim.

and His claim does not buy him any credit of any sort and I just can't see how a town!Nero would not see that about someone claiming backup. Your reasoning and appearance when distancing that wagon was trash and how you jumped from how I cought it to develop a read on my slot was so fake that I can't believe no one else can't see it. This progression is just so fake that it literally defines fake.

Scorpious vote on umalat is really bad btw. and Greeting has been warming up really for me. I loved how she analyzed my push on Nero and reacted to people reacting to it. It was just clear content and a consistent game-solving mindset behind it.

Wave and greeting like my top town read right now
Guess I have the worst, greeting right after
then fire, dwlee and Stephen and umalut
then scorpious and hockey

and for suspects, I sill go with andante, eye, and nero in that order with nero on bottom

I really want to see nero red flip. please help me make that happen

In post 927, Scorpious wrote:I love the way you two are totally twisting my words here…

they aren't lol

In post 963, HockeyFan wrote:No, its not good gameplay to vote a PR

What are your thoughts on Angel claiming that you aren't a PR and that I'm "scummy" for thinking twice about voting you? Do you find her null read on you believable?

it's time for you to explain to me why Angel is town b/c I just don't see it. Or do you even town read her?

actually, scorpius is inconsistent with his mindset and offering umalut as a pressure point when the slot is clearly giving out reads and even engaged with my push against nero is really suspicious.

like umalut did both catchup posts with a lot of content and read development and reacted in realtime to the argument between me and nero so there is literally so many actual content to there to read and anlyse and question but he asked no question. like it feels so inconsistent with his mindset earlier and resistance against eye wagon. also can't see how he got to the point to vote eye there

I'm gonna drop him to my suspects category for this

In post 986, Nero Cain wrote:

@ Fire

it's time for you to explain to me why Angel is town b/c I just don't see it. Or do you even town read her?

Maybe it's time for you to actually explain why do you scum read me. oh yeah you can't cause you literally threw it out the moment you saw me calling out you're inconsistent mindset with everything.

now you're asking others so they can explain their town read on me when I question your read on my slot. Hey guys Nero is asking for help! someone help nero and throw him a rope so he can get himself out of this pit he threw himself in when he tried to fake the mindset that he scum reads me.

oh and eyes, you're not RC unless if this is some sort of multiverse MCU mess or something

In post 981, Nero Cain wrote:you don't know me. You can't tell me what I will and won't do. This is fake.

also, what do you mean I don't know you. Didn't we have like crap tone of games with each other years ago?

I like I can just remember 3 games we played together right now and at least one other when I was moderating a game you were playing and my memory is literally terrible

like what are you even trying to say here? that we never played before with each other?

he never directed shit at you Angel. You got all up in his grill b/c you are tilted scum.

In post 990, Frozen Angel wrote:

In post 981, Nero Cain wrote:you don't know me. You can't tell me what I will and won't do. This is fake.

also, what do you mean I don't know you. Didn't we have like crap tone of games with each other years ago?

I like I can just remember 3 games we played together right now and at least one other when I was moderating a game you were playing and my memory is literally terrible

like what are you even trying to say here? that we never played before with each other?

I'm sure that we played together although I don't really remember and I know I was in that game that Panzer ruined but all those were years ago and you are saying that you don't have a good memory but you know exactly how I play? Why do you feel like those 3 games from years ago are better indication of my play than my more recent games?

In post 991, Nero Cain wrote:he never directed shit at you Angel. You got all up in his grill b/c you are tilted scum.

who is this in reference to? I'm not even tilted. This is my normal gameplay and everyone who knows me even a little knows it.

Meanwhile, you're still dodging everything I say.

I know when someone has a consistent mindset forming a read on me and when I see a fake one generated. It specially works better when I'm the one they are making this read on, so I always try to be center of attention and one v one people as I'm sorting them and you know it. You know how my scum hunting is behavior analysis not direct action analysis and you know how I always hunt for inconsistencies in personality trait and in pattern of behavior as I honestly believe nearly no action is inherently scummy but they can be more likely from town or scum mindset when they appear in certain patterns of behavior.

You should know how I play the game even if it's been so long since I played on this website and if you didn't know it for real you would have question it, not fake a scum read on it when it's actually pretty evidently a method for solving the game. You just faked a scum read on my slot cause it was the most convenient for you when I called you out and you tried to justify it by misrepresenting some stuff like my eye push that even if those misrepresentations where true would put me and you on same spot with game and would never justify a scum read by you on my slot.

so yes you're just full of s***

I've explained why I'm scum reading you ad nasuem. But nothing has been "inconsistent" and you are literally making up shit. I also first expressed suspicion on you in 531, 533 which is b4 711 but the fake push on me really convinced me that you were scum.

not dodging shit.

In post 992, Nero Cain wrote:

In post 990, Frozen Angel wrote:

In post 981, Nero Cain wrote:you don't know me. You can't tell me what I will and won't do. This is fake.

also, what do you mean I don't know you. Didn't we have like crap tone of games with each other years ago?

I like I can just remember 3 games we played together right now and at least one other when I was moderating a game you were playing and my memory is literally terrible

like what are you even trying to say here? that we never played before with each other?

I'm sure that we played together although I don't really remember and I know I was in that game that Panzer ruined but all those were years ago and you are saying that you don't have a good memory but you know exactly how I play? Why do you feel like those 3 games from years ago are better indication of my play than my more recent games?

where did I say I remember how exactly you play? I said I don't believe someone with vast experience like you would react to that backup claim the way you did if you had any intention of solving the slot. You just gave out "nothing" and wrapped it in a gift box as your content for everyone else, while still trying to hold your ground as you were pretending he was your top scum read till that point. You literally put yourself in a convenient location distant from the wagon, while still shading the slot in the same sentence and I honestly find that and what you did regarding eye theory consistent with a mafia mindset regarding the most heated slots of this day phase.

In post 849, Frozen Angel wrote:He would not ever react like that to both eye theory and hockey claim the way he did if he was town and he would not act like he scum reads me the way he is doing it right now

stop pretending like you don't know what you are posting.

I'm not following at all but I'm fine w a nero wagon
VOTE: Nero

In post 994, Nero Cain wrote:I've explained why I'm scum reading you ad nasuem. But nothing has been "inconsistent" and you are literally making up shit. I also first expressed suspicion on you in 531, 533 which is b4 711 but the fake push on me really convinced me that you were scum.

not dodging shit.

531: There must be a scum between those who are being useless with their vote

Throwing literal shade on a group of slots, really stating nothing progressive about game, really not distinguishing slots, just paving a way for a future push on any of those slots as you would see more convenient in future

533: Frozen calling eye read on her slot is fabricated is pure nonsense

we established how that was probably a misunderstanding. I was thinking that eye posted my name twice right after his theory to hint at his suspicious on my slot with the theory which I didn't find inherently scummy but I voted him when he claimed he didn't put my name after his theory, then he explained it and it kind of made sense. You saw the back and forth there - the entire of it and how dwlee was also confused about it. It was a fabricated read if it was his theory to throw my name out in it and I explained in details back there why I don't see that fabrication of read wasn't inherently scummy as well.

You coming in after the argument calling it nonsense (it was nonsense cause it was a misunderstanding) is calling me out scummy? No, it was just the most convenient was for a mafia you to show up to actually act like they are throwing content in game when they were not.

and no in no context either of any of those posts is scum reading my slot in any context.

now you're even accusing me of fake pushing you the moment I explained why I'm sure yours on me was a fake push cause again you find it the most convenient accusation to make this look like a loop and invalidate my case against you.

It won't work