Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask Mafia (Over)

[forbiddanlight]

Mine's not from an anime, and there's a good reason I'm wearing it Razz

You do realize there was a disgaea anime, right?

Dood!

Sorry, couldn't resist. - Tar

Anyway, yeah.

Having zwets in a game is like vaccinating it against Walls o' Text.

But we have Vi. It's going to be an epic battle!

So, yeah, I actually had NO idea I was playing this game. At all. I didn't even know I pre-/ined. So, since it appears I have...yay?

[forbiddanlight]

Dood!

Sorry, couldn't resist. - Tar

I see. I wonder if you know what my avi is from. Or if anyone does for that matter, though I think I've mentioned it.

[forbiddanlight]

*pets the kitten*
You of all people should know I'm laying off the wallposts and taking it ijji these days. Too much work, too little result, and I can stand to use that energy to play comic relief more often.

then I will avenge you?

You mentioned it. Judging from the reactions of others where you mentioned it, I think I'm better off not watching the video.

It's not bad. But hilarious.

[forbiddanlight]

Take Great Fairy Mask

Because the Fey are cute!

Original Roll String: 1d14

1 14-Sided Dice: (8) = 8

[forbiddanlight]

Pick: Seraphim

[forbiddanlight]

(I'm not going to lie.)

B-B-BUT THE FEY ARE CUTE!

[forbiddanlight]

How was Kairyuu 8? As far as I can tell, PLum is 8.

[forbiddanlight]

Once we put the masks on, are we going to tell eachother what our masks do? I think we should. Scum can talk to eachother and tell eachother anyways (i assume) and find out what eachother's masks do, we might as well find out what all the masks do for everyone. If the guy knowingly takes a mask that does "lynch immunity" or something fishy like that, then the town can respond with "hey, i'm starting to think your a bad gu

Yeah no. Massclaim, contrary to popular belief is NOT A GOOD IDEA!

I guess we should just elect to share the info if we think it benefits the town to know what the mask does.

Again, this feels like massclaim.

Off topic is acceptable, especially since there's not much to do during Mask Draft.

I just don't want this thread turned into General Discussion: The Mafia Game, got it? - Tar

And thusly, Tar gives me an idea for a new theme game ^-^.

[forbiddanlight]

forbiddan, what are your thoughts on mask effect claiming?

...Do you even read my posts, or do you find it amusing to ask questions that have already been answered?

[forbiddanlight]

Against mask claiming

The fact that MafiaSSK just said "I was afraid of how taking that mask would make me look" and not "I was afraid that mask wouldn't help me help the town" is very concerning. BTW, If you thought about it, it would help you help the town if you had a vig kill. Seems your thought processes skipped that, huh?... (Though personally my guess is that it "drains your magic power" also and is a net minus anyway)

Very good point there.

Anyway, I agree with the stipulations about governor and millar masks.

[forbiddanlight]

Heh. I'm a "Zelda expert." It's just that my "expertness" doesn't extend to this title (as I gave up after being unable to get the hang of the motion controls and dying repeatedly while trying to get the Mask of Truth).

Ah, same here...well, more like I never played Majora's Mask because I fail.

[forbiddanlight]

Tar, you probably should have just put my vote on you. After all, you put me in my game before I said anything

In fact,

Vote: Tarhalindur

for pre-/inning me for a game I didn't actually pre-/in for.

[forbiddanlight]

There are 6 in the last two pages if you count Vi's Prinny as being from the Disgaea anime. The others are me, Pesco, Jazz, Seraphim, and Zazie.

Pesco's isn't. Mine is. It balances out.

[forbiddanlight]

Also, the Prinny avatar is taken directly from the game.

Verified. But we can dream!

[forbiddanlight]

I thought we agreed to CAN the RVS in favor of the rampant spamming of the last twelve pages.

We did? And who says I'm random voting.

That's a pretty interesting power zwet has.

[forbiddanlight]

I belive zwet claimed it before mask PM's were even out. So he's probably talking out of his rear-end.

Umu...I got a PM right after I got my mask. So no, he probably isn't.

[forbiddanlight]

So, I think pesco would target the mask. Not the player. So, it would work and tell us nothing.

[forbiddanlight]

The mask is on the player. I target the player to vig the mask. If I targeted masks only, I could vig the ones in the mask pool.

Ah, ok. Nevermind.

[forbiddanlight]

Pesco-sama loves me~<3

Nuh unh! She's mai waifu! She's hydraing with me! That's how I know!

I'm still trying to sort this out.
zwet said that everything that targets him gets Roleblocked. But that's targeting him, not the mask... right?

Yeah, this.

[forbiddanlight]

Ok, someone died? That's not good. I should probably actually actively read and catch up now.

[forbiddanlight]

*checks the deathpost*

Ok, so it's not good, but not bad. Neutrals should always die. Twice.

[forbiddanlight]

You see the bolded part? Guess what you were attacking SSK for? You didn't like the fact that he speculated the Fierce Diety mask granting vig powers and chose not to take it. His idea of useful, as I'm interpreting, is that he would leave vigging potential to someone more capable. It's the same as your idea of useful in that you speculated the Gibdo mask granting infiltration powers.

The bolded part, to me, doesn't seem to go against what Gui suggested about SSK, because it was more the fact SSK said that he didn't choose the mask

because he wanted to look pro town

, and it wasn't disputing the mask choice, it was disputing the reasoning.

Don't reduce me back to my vanilla towniness... Sad

Why did you CLAIM this!?

I'm also about 90% sure you are lying.

for that,

Vote zwetchestnutface

@Kairyuu: If that's the case, then let's vote on a mask vigging too.

Mask vote
Stone (1): Pesco
Kamaro (1): Kairyuu

You guys keep the mask votes updated yourself. I'm off for the night.

I'll

Vote Kamaro

. The stone mask could be useful if we ever get a confirmed town.

And I really, really would like to know why absolutely NO ONE took the Moon Mask especially after I took the Sun Mask...one would assume they would be more powerful together yet no one took it and I find this very disturbing.

SERIOUSLY? You WONDER why someone chose not to make what's probably the most obvious lover mechanic I have ever seen completed? Don't be ridiculous!

Select: Stone Mask for Vigging.

Why?

Oh, and @Seraphim whining about the Sun's Mask: Because nobody particularly wants to be a Neighbor with you in deference to self-interest and possibly getting a more exciting mask, I suppose. Plus I seriously was considering being Pesco's waifu, but you ruined it >_>

A-HA! You ARE a girl (j/k, we all know the waifu jokes.)

Kai's 436 is good. I like him. I also like his case.

FoS Giu

Alright, so there are some reasons I can debate. You dropped in, voted, and didn't give any reasons of your own. Now, I can defend myself, which I find to be more productive to the town.

Reacting to cases is more pro town than true scumhunting? No...

4. So, what do you want me to do? Full-claim? Say nothing more? I'm trying to defend myself. I hope I'm making that clear. What does the Town propose I do, other than roll over and play dead? That's the least useful thing I can do, and you can bet I won't go down without finding at least one real scum in this town.

So where's your scumhunting? You had a good lead on SSK. Why the back off?

Kiryu 436 was simulposted but starts to show the giu case to me in a very clear light. Declaring thinks antitown seems to fall somewhat into "reffing the game" one of my favorite handbook tells. I'm not very happy about thr softclaim either. I don't agree with jazz's bit about the fierce deity mask incident, town never need to look towny, that's a rule of both thumbs. But because of other points, unvote, vote giuseppe. I usually am a slower voter, but I think a faster pace could disrupt the scum. I mean, the moons falling right?!!

No. Just...no. Are you just jumping whichever bandwagon looks best? And with some weird justification?


Sir's 451 does not make me feel good about him. Defending players is not usually a good idea. Nor is strawmanning.

Wow. I will give up at mafia. Soon in my life, soon.


Anyway, short on time, answer one of OGML's points: one of the things you quoted was a mistype/ logic flip. I meant to say that IF zwet's mask comes off, we lynch him. My other posts consistently stated that belief

So, an AtE and an easy to defend point?

I feel like everyone's missing something here.

"I thought the stone mask would give me vig powers"

Really???? Why???

I'm not very familiar with zwet. In the queue i once saw someone complaining about him being in a game, or something like that. What i do know is that in this game he's been acting very very anti-town. Normally with someone with a rep like his, i would say, "ok. I'll try to look at him all game before rushing off and killing him, take some time and develop a standard by which he can be judged". But he's wearing a mask that makes him uber invincible. That scares me. He can't be investigated, watched, tracked, write up the book, but he can kill people if he's mafia. I don't see how anyone wants that floating around while we get a zwet standard-quota of 523 naughty comments before we lynch him.


As for me saying i usually don't vote as fast as now... when i read it it looks forced to. I would lynch whoever said that if it didn't have my name above it >_>. I was going to refute plum's statement that looking townie is a townie's number two goal is looking townie by stating that townie's all look townie naturally, but my own play continually contradicts my own theory on that subject.

So why aren't you voting him!!!??

As for the rest, it seems like excuses and inaction.

Huh. For some reason, Giu told me the same thing as everyone else, but when he said it, it made sense. I don't want zwet's blood now. He can keep it. Unvote

I could revote Giuseppe for the half claim, but i think i'd rather scour my own wagon for someone who doesn't seem sincere. FoS: Giuseppe

More posting later...

But...you were voting Giu...

Why is forbiddanlight not posting ITT?

Cause I haet larges. No, srsly.

ITT FL tries to fish Vi's gender.

No, I did that in the OTHER thread!

Also, I get the feeling we know what happened to Jazz nao.

Okay, so that reads like a textbook scummy response after lurking about.

Cut: 506 doesn't reassure me.

Catching up, nao, actually. I've been busy, as it happens. Oh, not too busy to gender you, but too busy for this .

Ok, Zwet is obvscum, pops is too.

For the sake of FUN!

Unvote, Vote pops

[forbiddanlight]

why

Also, that's an interesting way of distorting his name

Tarlogic. No one is EVER vanilla except one person. In fact, I'm half tempted to ask for a vanilla counterclaim.

[forbiddanlight]

FL, you say Giu had a 'good lead' with his case on SSK. You've said fairly little about it yourself. What do you think of SSK, especially the new stuff which has come up (he meant to FOS me for my mask choice, for one, he now says . . .).

I think SSK is a lurking moron at the moment (no offense). I don't like his insistence on not wanting to look scummy. I would probably vote him if zwet and pop weren't around.

[forbiddanlight]

I might not necessarily find you scum with the mask, but i can find a guaranteed townie to give the mask to. Is it really so totally completely unbelievable that I'm town?

Given your behavior, yes. And then we find that you are scum after leaving you alive for a few days. Well, there go our confirmed innocents. Thanks a lot.

@Pesco- my action is rapid in that it comes into effect as soon as I use it. However, the effects are not always apparent. Would you guys just prefer I maskclaim, at this point?

Why the hell not? you did everything else.

[forbiddanlight]

I'll support a Kamaro and Goron vigging.

Do we have a hammer on pops?

Oh hai. Since pop's claim is believable/verifiable

Unvote, Vote Giu

Not in a hurry. I just don't see this going any further. Is there any reason not to hammer?

Because pops made a VERIFIABLE claim?

It's from One Piece. Law is a friggin badass.

He's amusing, anyway.

[forbiddanlight]

DGB is probably a jester. Before she protests she would have been lynched page 2 (or Page 18), you have to change up your tatics every so often for them to work, right?

But that's just a guess.

[forbiddanlight]

Unvote; Vote: Giuseppe

Quickhammer Ftw!

W

T

F?

[forbiddanlight]

Hmmph. I half want to lynch zwet for that.

[forbiddanlight]

Why do I now think that DGB may have some sort of hammering mechanic that will come back to bite us?

No, that's DGB being DGB. Still half tempted to push her lynch too.

[forbiddanlight]

gets you an FoS: forbiddanlight for bringing up jester paranoia. Jester paranoia is ridonkulously anti town. If someone is scummy, we lynch them. If they are a jester, good for them, they fulfilled their win condition, and good for me, I lynched someone who was not town and can go on with the game continuing to attempt to lynch people who are not town. The only people who don't want to lynch "jesters" are people opining that their scumpartner looks jestery.

Well, I never said I wouldn't LYNCH her over it, I merely said she could be. You probably don't know but in other games I've always supported lynching jesteresque people.

[forbiddanlight]

Pick: Moon Mask

If you haven't noticed, by fakehammer was a gambit. Discuss.

Myeh...maybe

I owe more actual analysis and thought time to other games atm. However, my investigation was roleblocked:(. Its target was Forbiddalight.

Do i get a vote on my own vig kill? I want to shoot Vi.

Huh. Interesting. Well, as it happens, I don't have a field of roleblockery. I might have something else interesting.

Like a sword

That kills people

Rapidly.

Usually I'd use it without consulting the town, but I hear you all might not like that. So, I'll be nice THIS TIME and let you all tell me who to use it on. I wanna use it on DGB or SSK. But I vig to get rid of headaches and lynch to get rid of scum. I know there are other philosophies.


I also had a feeling the sun and moon mask would create a mason/lover group.

DO
NOT
FUCKING
CLAIM
WHICH!
ZWET (because Seraphim SURE as hell knows better)

Do confirm that zwet is town for us though, Seraph.

[forbiddanlight]

I'm not confirmed to Seraphim because I'm not the true wearer of the Moon Mask.

Alright then.

[forbiddanlight]

Ooo, Great Fairy's Sword or whatever it's called. Completely forgot that existed, because you get it basically at the end of the game (when it's more useless than a two-handed sword already is). But it looks cool.
Question @f-light, then. Have you already used it during this game?

No. Cause I got it today.

[forbiddanlight]

aha! so must I vote to scumhunt?

TBH, I don't see scumhunting in lynching townies.

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Other than that...
I believe Zwet with the Giu gambit, I believe pops with his claim...

blah sorry. almost deadlined in another game. I'll be back to this tomorrow.

Hmm? You're playing? I must have missed it in the lack of positions or voting very much.

Course, I now see Plum, Vi, and DGB said the same thing...yeah...

And DGB isn't voting? I'm mildly surprised myself. Sorry, I'm in a rush in the morning so I sometimes miss these things.

[forbiddanlight]

Want me to just kill Vi? save us a lynch, yanno.

[forbiddanlight]

You has kill? When did that come up again? Sounds slightly familiar. At the very least wait until Vi gets back around to respond to this situation.

Great Fairy's Sword

[forbiddanlight]

Hey how come we haven't lynch Tar????

Huh, I forgot to do that, didn't I?

Maybe I should vig him .

Anyway, I'm seeing a lot of stuff on Siro and the mask stuff on Vi. I'm kinda trying to figure out who to vig right now. Technically pops can vig the other, but does that end the day? I don't think mine does, though I'll check.

[forbiddanlight]

Yeah, mines just kinda "Boosh, reset the votecount, continue your lynching" if I'm reading it right.

[forbiddanlight]

---after reading f-light---

Setup speculation, standard reactions to death scenes, jokeposting, being caught on lurking, calling out DGb-Jester(!?), trying to get zwetschenwasser policy lynched, and generally not bringing anything new to the table in a single catch-up post... and that's D1. I'm seeing f-light-scum.

Yes, I'm lurking

BECAUSE I HAVE A FUCKING NEW JOB. And you know that. This job takes a RIDICULOUS amount of my time.

I swear, I oughtta kill you for being retarded. As for everything else, I didn't "try to get zwet policy lynched", I mentioned I'd consider it but not for just policy. It was cause he claimed VANILLA when others have.

As for DGB Jester, that was just bringing up a point.

ITT f-light doesn't pay attention to obvious details.

Obvious details?

I agree that F-light is shadyish. You forgot her investigation getting roleblocked, it's (very mildly) suspicious since she might have a roleblock field she's not claiming (like zwet's).

I would think, at this point, my power is pretty damn obvious. I have no idea what the roleblock stuff was about.

Are you seriously trying to hold that against me? And where are ANY of my words in that quote you quoted?

I'm now tempted to shoot you

[forbiddanlight]

Mhm... what kind of point?

None really. We should consider lynching her if she continues to be useless regardless? It was probably just an ill advised statement.

Which excuses nothing about your content.

Hmmph. My catch up post was most assuredly content filled.

'Certainly not the first time anyone's said that, though it's the second time in this game <.<

Be fun though

Actually, I thought I could remember zwetschenwasser claiming VT after someone else did, but I could never find that first person. Who was it?

I actually forgot who...yeah, that sounds great.

pops has already used his shot once; your question had already been answered Wink

Incidentally, f-light, what is your kill method?

Ah, ok.

And, let me check something.

Kill method is not displayed in the PM. Which is unusual, to say the least, but because I received it as an item, that's probably why.

[forbiddanlight]

How did you get a sword at the end of D1, by the way, F-light? Are you that thief who had a hideout in the canyon? I wouldn't think that to be town aligned.

I gave it to myself. Because I'm the only person I know is town. I think Tar messed up but rolled with it because he forgot to exclude self giving.

Anyway, Tar just sent me the kill method, which is killed by a two handed sword.

You know what? I'm policy vigging Zwet. Enjoi.

[forbiddanlight]

Done.

[forbiddanlight]

That was very antitown. People have expressed that zwet seems town. I thought he seemed town as well. You didn't consult with us at all, even though there's no reason not to.

If Zwet flips town i want to shoot FL. I think she didn't consult us because of the pressure on her and she wants to get a townie shot off before we lynch her.

More like I'm sick of waiting for you all to come to a consensus, when I generally would shoot first anyway. I wouldn't advise shooting me before I claim,

if

zwet comes up town (pro tip, he probably won't)

[forbiddanlight]

I think he will.
I'm not shooting you before i get a claim, i'm not even shooting you before i get a group consensus. That's the pro-town way to do things. Did you even ask what zwet's new mask does?

Nope. also didn't really care.

And I really don't give a damn about what you think is "pro town" either. If I have a vig, I
Am
Fucking
Using
It

And as fast as possible. It's just how I play. I gave you all a chance to direct it and got nowhere.

So, bai bai zwet.

[forbiddanlight]

Well, so much for that.

I still don't regret it, really. He was contributing even less than I did.

You all want a claim?

[forbiddanlight]

i'm the only one who's posted since you announced your zwet spree.

I want a claim

Well, too bad. I'll wait for other people to ask since I could be potentially important.

[forbiddanlight]

@FL:What. The. Hell.

Zwet was playing quite decently, and there was no reason to kill him. Fortunately for you, several things came out of that death that are useful to us, so I think that to do that as scum would be quite stupid.

I saw a lot of fluff in his posts. And not much content. At all.

And yes, I made an emotional decision after a bad day at work. That's what we call retarded.


So yeah ^-^.

[forbiddanlight]

I'm going to make FL a word scramble:

etma

mate?
tame?
meat?
meta?
team?

[forbiddanlight]

meta
zwet's never posts content, so i've heard.

Which is why he's a good policy vig, since he tends to waste a lynch as either alignment.

But regardless, if you are taking HIS meta into account and not mine, we have problems.

My vigging meta is reasonably known. I actually broke it with how I started today.

[forbiddanlight]

Awful move, FL: Zwets was basically playing to his general town-meta - pro-tip, Zwets is Zwets. We need to studiously avoid any mistakes made in such haste.

Nyeh, I'll make up for it. I'm not a glass cannon. I agree it was a bad move, but I don't regret it. It's mostly quibbling semantics there.

[forbiddanlight]

I know nothing of your meta.

I want to shoot Forbiddanlight, but if Siro claims first.. the arrows will follow.

And you merely go on what you've HEARD of zwets?

REALLY now?

[forbiddanlight]

Siro to claim

And maybe an umpteenth person to come in and say, "No. You can't shoot FL. Shoot siro".


I'm at least giving her an FoS

K. I like OMGUS, so here you go ^-^

FoS Pops

So, yeah, mostly because he seems to take zwet's meta on hearsay, yet for some reason seems to think mine doesn't count.

You got it right on your last try.
Why should I believe you're on my "team", hm?

Oh, and by the way - Playing to follow a meta (as opposed to playing to win) is one of the more bastardish moves you can make as a player. If you're Town, I'm expressly disappointed in you and would not play with you again in such a themed game.

And last, it's really freaking obvious that if we policy lynch the game away by trying to "prove" each other to each other and try to lynch/vig by playing morality police, we're not going to win. Or well. Scum will win. But that's not "we".

And I really don't like DGb's turn on zwetschenwasser. Remember this?

Well, I guess I won't be playing theme games with you again. It wasn't so much playing to meta, actually, so much as I let my emotions rule my shot and something rubbed me wrong in the last few zwet posts I read. I was wrong. It happens.

I ask you the same question. Why should I believe you are on my team?


Oh yeah, I recall stating I support a Siro shot. I still stand by that.

I've given my arrows to democracy, not Viocracy.

I'm shooting who the town wants me to shoot, and only after a claim. I'm patient. Unlike....

Was this necessary, pops?

[forbiddanlight]

I hadn't heard of your meta. I'd heard of zwet's meta.

Where do i say "I know FL's meta is to vig people like crazy but I'm going to ignore it" ?

It seems implied. But, I misunderstood an earlier statement it would seem, so nevermind

UnFoS

[forbiddanlight]

Being wrong seems to happen more often than not, considering I can think of another time that you shot an obvTown player by Page 6. If this is your meta, discard it.

You'll have to remind me of that one. And it might be "more often than not" in YOUR experience, but not in mine.

And you DID say you were playing to your meta, right here. That first sentence is damning, if not to your alignment, then certainly to your playstyle.

Nyeh, whatever.

Until I hear you answer my query (way to dodge it, btw), this is a trick question. I don't believe you're on my team.

I've already expressed why I think you're scum, and this just adds to it. The only thing you've said about me so far is that you were willing to kill me if the rest of the Town wanted it.

Nyeh, whatever. Oh, and I don't think you are on my team, as it happens. But it's not because you are town.

But maybe I'm just irritated at you at the moment.

It's that holier than thou attitude you are taking, I think.

Oh also.

If you advocate a Sir vig, why didn't you vig him?
Is it really that hard for vigs to hit people who are mutually agreed upon as suspicious?

Cause pops could do it ^-^;.

*cough*

(In case you've missed it, you transferred your "bad day" to me.)

hmm now? Well, I turned out wrong it would seem. As I said, I'll claim if I must.

And something else.
f-light stabbed someone who had just expressed suspicion against DrippingGoofball.
DrippingGoofball immediately jumped to f-light's defense after the kill (and did a 180 on her previous read of zwetschenwasser).
f-light's commentary on DGb looks especially fishy, particularly with the Jester bit.
Both also advocated wasting a vig on Tarhalindur.

I actually didn't notice that. Weird.

As for commentary on DGB, I honestly don't think the jester thing was a big deal and you are beating it to death to bolster a bad assumption.

And where did I advocate that vig? I might have jokingly advocated it, but I wasn't serious.

Also, while you're doing this, please tell us why the hell you didn't claim your mask? It should be obvious to anyone who knows the flavor who I am. I'm probably going to die today, so...yeah...

Also, Vi is right on. That is very, very damning.

So why aren't you voting me? It seems the case would be stronger on me over DGB

[forbiddanlight]

Touhou Justice, vs. Kilgamayan.
Except in that game it confirmed you Town, which was some consolation.

Oh yeah, and I didn't use my proper random vigging method that time ANYWAY. (just as I didn't here, but it wasn't random)

Remind me to say this to you the next time you accuse me of something.

Will do. I'm mostly saying...what's your point?

Because at the moment, I am holier than thou and really not interested in playing around. Do you have a case against me? If not, turn off the reactionary scumhunting and be useful.

And that's why you come off like a prick. Try not being a condescending bitch and maybe I'll be more receptive to your advice.

I can tell you my answer.
Even though I have a very, VERY low opinion of your play right now; I think DGb is more likely to be scum based on her intentional uselessness, her reaction to zwet's death, and her reaction to me pressing her.

Uh...huh. Well, whatever works.

I think we have two calling for my claim now, by the way.

And...Zazie just made things interesting. REALLY interesting.

[forbiddanlight]

Can someone explain what's going on with the sun and moon mask right now, because i don't get it

zwet claimed Seraphim was town and the true wearer of the Sun mask. But Zazie has claimed to be that true wearer. So now we are all confused.

[forbiddanlight]

Or, we could wait for Seraphim's response, since he's, like, one of the primary players in this unfolding drama.

Basically this.

[forbiddanlight]

It's unlikely that zwet lied about Seraphim being confirmed town. zwet may not be the most pro-town player around, but he's not an idiot, and wouldn't try to screw the town over like that.

Combine that with the above quote and we come to the conclusion that Zazie is lying.

But did zwet confirm that Seraph was the true wearer? I realize I said he claimed it but I'm not precisely sure...let me find the post...

[forbiddanlight]

I'm not confirmed to Seraphim because I'm not the true wearer of the Moon Mask.

Ah, yes, this post would IMPLY that but...it's never spelled out.

[forbiddanlight]

Ah, but it would IMPLY it rather strongly doncha think?

Yeah. But I want Seraph clarify. And pops can vigify her if the situation seems weird.

[forbiddanlight]

Because i'm the one who doesn't waste all my vig shots on vanilla townies?

This game is stupid

Please don't insult a Tar game.

I

might be stupid, and some other players might be stupid, but the game itself isn't.

[forbiddanlight]

OH boy, this is amusing.

I have a feeling I know what just happened. But I'm not sure what conclusion to draw because it could be one of two things.

[forbiddanlight]

OK then. Both Zazie's replacement and Seraphim should be considered confirmed town now I guess.

Not...necessarily.

Just because the mask told Seraphim's alignment as confirmed town does NOT mean the other half is necessarily town. But, it's also unlikely that both aren't town. I have some line of thought on how Zazie could possibly be scum but it's messy and I'm not sure how to flesh it out.

[forbiddanlight]

Alright, let's run through this then:

Given: Both Zazie and Seraphim appear to have been true wearers of the Sun Mask.

Given: The wearer of the Moon Mask get's the info that the true wearer of the Sun Mask is town.

Therefore: Since both Seraphim and Zazie are the true wearer of the Sun Mask, zwet's confirmation of towniness should apply to both of them.

Should. But something bothers me and I can't really explain it. So, of course, I really can't allow that to inflect my play and should take them as reasonably confirmed.

[forbiddanlight]

My ploy is no ploy DGB. I don't really care what you think about my alignment. Especially because I have still never seen a double voting scum.

Tar game. All bets are OFF.

[forbiddanlight]

Not a Mindscrew FL. Plus, even in those, has there been a double voting scum?

Even if it's not a mindscrew, Babylon 5 had a role that won IF NO LYNCH OCCURED. Not being mindscrew does NOT preclude weird roles.

I could see him using a double voting scum. But, my point is mostly that's not the best argument for your towniness.

[forbiddanlight]

Oh, thanks Tar ^-^.

[forbiddanlight]

Welcome Sajin.


F-Light is stupid. This game isn't. Happy?

Much happier. Though I'd probably two handed sword you if I still had that.

Ah well, at least I get to find out what enhanced spin attack does tomorrow.

[forbiddanlight]

@Pesco: Also, if this wasn't blatantly obvious already, the Giant's Mask needs to be vigged ASAP to keep it out of scum hands. The regular ability is bad enough (kills cannot be stopped or redirected).

That's what it does?

That..narrows down what Vi could be. By a lot. I'm leaning towards him claiming.

[forbiddanlight]

He claimed clocktown guard already.

Vanilla?

[forbiddanlight]

@Pesco: Also, if this wasn't blatantly obvious already, the Giant's Mask needs to be vigged ASAP to keep it out of scum hands. The regular ability is bad enough (kills cannot be stopped or redirected).

Did I misinterpret this? Do you mean the Giant's mask means that a killing role can't be stopped/redirected, kills on the true wearer can't be stopped/redirected, or globally kills can't be stopped redirected?

[forbiddanlight]

I read it as kills made by wearer. In that context it only makes sense on scum or a vig.

Same here. Which is why I am about ready to support a Vi lynch if Kai will clarify.

[forbiddanlight]

(f-light should recognize what this is instantly; if not... well, watch the whole video)

Not the faintest idea. Maybe I'll watch it later

Re: Giant's Mask- Basic ability allows any player who wears it to have kill abilities submitted by them be unblockable and unredirectable. True wearer can choose to forcelynch a player once, which ends the Day.

Oh hai thar...

Unvote, Vote Vi

Myeh, considering the Tarhalindur takes precautions to ensure his games can't be broken by massclaim (or at least, the scum can't be caught out by flavor)... perhaps not yet.

When did I mask claim? Or did I completely yet?

[forbiddanlight]

Where did that s-word come from?

I still would rather be vigged than lynched.

Nyeh, up to pops.

And true, I did say the sword came from it. But you don't know the rest. But it's probably obvious.

[forbiddanlight]

f-light (blowfish) - Claims I should know something about her role other than what she's stated? I'm feeling blind right now, and don't see it... but oh well.

Nyeh, I actually wasn't saying that. I thought you were implying you did.

I look horrible right now so I'ma claim.

I'm the reason Stone Mask is out of play. My ability involves removing from the game and bringing back masks. Yes, I can bring back the masks pesco vigs. But...not today, as I used my personal ability to kill zwet.

My mask, being my true mask, allows me to grant JoAT like boons. I've been granting myself those and plan to continue doing so unless someone becomes transparently town, like pops possibly is, and Vi is actually looking like (though that mask scares me).

Oh, I'm Tingle, Townie Prankster, btw.

I think we know who took zwet's mask now. Hey, that means he's town! Oh, he's dead

We do? Well, now we do. Unless DGB targetted the same mask I did.

[forbiddanlight]

What's a JoAT?

Jack of All Trades

Actually, I think I'm more an inventor, sorry about the confusion.

I love you all!!! (Except maybe FL) (maybe FL too)

Oh, thanks. Well that's fine. I like girls anyway!

[forbiddanlight]

I'm going to reread F-light because there's a likely chance of her being scum with DGB's flip.

Oh really now? Well, you'd be wrong. either way, I've claimed. Take it as you will.

[forbiddanlight]

I think FL is at least suspicious enough that the town should order her to give the fairy sword to someone more towny than her. No, doesn't have to be me.

And the town can kiss my ass if I don't approve of their choice. But, as it happens, I can't give another great fairy sword out til tomorrow anyway. And I'd rather see what my other abilities do, ne?

In other words, I'll agree to give a boon to someone else, but I better approve of them because I don't want to be giving shit to clever scum.

[forbiddanlight]

Clarify: your role ability is mask removing/returning . . . or is that an ability from your mask, forbiddanlight?

Personal ability.

I call the bluff. My mask counterclaims the abilities listed here. Zora mask can remove currently being worn masks from the game and return RFG'd masks to play, irrespective of how they got RFG'd.

Vote FL

I'm fine with making the Couple's mask for you guys.

Ok, so you are trying to say that your mask counterclaims my...innate ability? Despite the fact it heavily implies there is another way to RFG masks?

Yeah...no.

pops speaks truth. Again.

Of course, there's a simple test involving the Stone Mask reappearing through non-Pesco means that would probably alleviate some concerns.

You'd like me to bring the stone mask back tomorrow (as I can't do it today)?

Does everyone agree with this use of my ability?

[forbiddanlight]

Give yourself a kill again, but if you use it wrong you need to hang. You need to totally donnate it to the town's will lest you be lynched. I really think you need to be lynched anyway. The zwet kill was horrible. I still don't think you've decided between your dance of "zwet is scummy" and "zwet needs to be policy lynched"

Actually, I've settled on emotional policy at this point. Hell, even

I

don't know what I was doing. Anyway, I can't give myself another kill til the next day phase, and can't use it til the phase after that.

The town needs to decide what I should do now.

[forbiddanlight]

A better question: Why take the Stone Mask?

Because I didn't trust zwet then, and did NOT want him untargettable to cop/tracker/watcher/vig.

And no, I didn't know the great fairy's sword made me a vig before I took zwet's mask. I suspected, but wasn't certain. He also wasn't my planned target. I really didn't have one.

[forbiddanlight]

I think that FL and Pesco should decide which one will vig Sajin's mask and which will vig mine. The Giant's mask cannot be allowed into scum hands, and given the true power, it cannot be allowed into alignment indeterminate Vi's hands either. It needs to die before I do (which I have a sneaking suspicion may be soon).

I should handle your mask. I target the mask, not the player, so removing your Giant's mask should only target that mask. But I can't use any boons if I do that. And I can't do it today, but tomorrow.

[forbiddanlight]

I don't think we want FL declining an opportunity to grant boons. Those are really good.

Oh, I can GRANT them. I said I couldn't USE them. So your I take a vig and use it for the town idea doesn't work well with this. However, I COULD take a chance on Seraphim being pretty much confirmed town, give him a vig, while hiding a mask. Would this work best?

[forbiddanlight]

I think by posting this you're inadvertently directing the NK.

Or someone else I think is protown. Sorry.

@Vi pops has an investigation, FL is a vig and kairyu is a double voter. I think there are several "must-kill" people. Even if seraphim dies, some of those powers are town.

Inventor

[forbiddanlight]

Hi, are we playing? We only have so many days, people!

[forbiddanlight]

About that. Could you pass the news alert to the suspicious absent people?

I honestly forgot about that til reading that last VC, which is why I kinda mentioned it. You did it better though. Wanna go lurker hunting?

[forbiddanlight]

I suspect drunk posting here. (Rules infraction?)

Public humiliation, actually.

Alright, here's the deal, I want content from the people who posted when prodded. Budja obviously gets a pass. However, going down the list of purkers...

Vote OGML

Until we see content

FoS Kmd

And

Poke pesco

[forbiddanlight]

Usually in a Tar game you only get one FoS.

Though, confirming that would have been a wiser course of action, so

FoS pesco

[forbiddanlight]

I suspect drunk posting here. (Rules infraction?)

Haven't done much reading and I'm not going to pretend I have. Got a few things to work on at the moment.

This post is not super contentful. And while I'm aware of his claim, he is not confirmed town for it, just as I'm not.

[forbiddanlight]

What do you think of my read on him?

I...guess it's fair, but I honestly don't remember as much pesco as I usually do when I play with her...

[forbiddanlight]

I am really not keen of FL's zwet vig, Her target (zwet looked pro-town to me) and very limited defence of her actions seem suss to me. vote: FL

And...you somehow missed the fact I'm practically confirmed town due to my claim? I grant there is an outside possibility I'm not, but it's unlikely given what we know...

Honestly, I'm leaning easy targetting.

FoS Budja

[forbiddanlight]

I don't think we should put it past tar to give two mask removals to the scum. I've thought since the intro that the twist might be that the mafia's mask destruction powers exceed their killing powers, providing them an alternate way to kill townies. (though, now, we're safe, thanks to an unnamed hero of honor, glory, and richeses). With last night's deaths suggesting mafia are low on killing power, doube mask removal is not such a longshot.

Nyeh, I dunno. There is a mafia mask taker, myself as a mask taker AND a mask bringer backer (I can return them), as well as a mask that matches my ability.

I only know for certain one of these abilities belongs to the town, and you only have my word to go off of for that, so I guess I don't expect it. But still, I don't think it's so likely to have two mask takers in the mafia, since it would take awhile for any effective killing to work here.

[forbiddanlight]

Goddamn it. To many stinking lurkers and replacements. I have nothing new to add, except that Budja needs to read more thoroughly before posting. I would not mind lynching OGML instead of letting him get replaced. He has contributed almost nothing, and is the scummiest of the lurkers.

That's a fair point, and I'm behind it.

As for allegations of neutralhood, I'm not, but I honestly don't expect you to believe that. If you DO think I'm neutral, you should probably lynch me at some point, since Tar neutrals are generally a good default lynch.

[forbiddanlight]

Word choice is a bit disturbing here. I'd expect a townie to say something more like "It's probably logical to", "I guess it's correct play to".

Are you seriously trying to get in a semantics war with me? Because honestly, I'm not in the mood for wasting so many words. This is probably the most BS point you've brought up yet.

Really neutral explains the FL phenomenon better than anything else. Trickster. Mask removal not on the same faction as either of our mask removers. Policy lynches someone with more concern about making bodies hit floor and looking good than hitting scum.

You do realize both pesco is not confirmed town and it's his MASK that gives him mask vigging powers (right?). We aren't even certain it's his true mask.

And it was a policy vig, thank you very much. Further, wouldn't looking good entail trying to kill a mafiate? (Which was part of the reason I vigged zwet)

[forbiddanlight]

You didn't have a single solid reason to think zwets was scum. "He lurks". Yes. It is zwets. I don't think you're an idiot FL, otherwise i'd probably have already forgiven the killing.

Just a feeling. I was wrong. It happens. And did I say he lurks? I said he doesn't post enough content.

[forbiddanlight]

@FL- If we are ahead and the neutral has useful powers, I do not mind keeping them around for a while. As a neutral you should want us to kill the last scum or 2 so that you can win. If town was falling close to LY/LO and the neutral was going to side with the scum then by all means. Your statement helps me solidify my opinion though.

I'm merely saying prior experience with "neutrals".

MS 2, Nat won as SK on a neutral survivor claim.

Umu...ok, that's the only example that comes to mind, it's just neutrals in Tar games aren't always benevolent.

I'm not a neutral, I'm protown, but no one is really believing me there, so I merely pointing out the most pro town option for you guys.

But, either way, if you aren't lynching me, I'm happy with that as well, and will allow a bit of town direction in the use of my powers.

[forbiddanlight]

I still say that FL is confirmed town. Besides the fact that her scum meta (which is the only bit I've seen) is totally different than the way she played here, the DGB flip practically confirms her town, and aside from her zwet kill she has been acting pretty decently pro-town all game.

I'm curious about that first part what scum meta you have on me

Mufasa should indeed claim. This "lynch kmd" switch worries me.

[forbiddanlight]

I am the astronomer, I am all seeing, and I have contact with the sun and the moon.

This does not reassure me

You tell us NOTHING of what you do.

[forbiddanlight]

Is the Garo mask the ninja mask? Or was that a different one?

In fact, what is known about the Garo mask?

Further, I think Mufasa needs to be killed fast.

[forbiddanlight]

Oh, that's cool. If you know what the Garo are, then that makes sense. (and affirms his claim)

(@f-light: Yes, the Garo are the ninja ghost thingies.)

I thought so.

Also, FL I have a theory, please do not grant your JOAT powers yet.

I wasn't planning to. I'm still debating whether to use my current power or my mask vigging/returning powers. Leaning towards the latter

[forbiddanlight]

...Hmm... Hey, mask-removing types. If you're worried about pops, what about taking the Mask of Truth away from him and giving it to someone else?

I guess I could, and then return it. It would take two days though.

Now THAT's interesting.
If Pesco Light is willing to use a Fusion Attack, perhaps one could remove your masks, the other could return them to the game, and you COULD pick up the Bunny Hood and the Mask of Truth?

I'm not sure what the resolution order on that would be, and will ask Tar, probably having to do so by PM

I'm sort of /LA right now... Might have to do itouch postings.

I only looked at the important posts. The lynch happened before i got to send in an investigation. My gut wrenched. I figured we could change those choices but i wasn't sure, so i had been sending them in around end of dayish. I really expected a moment of, "ok townie people send in your actions" like yesterday. I'm so sorry guys.

I'm going to obey the new rule now, mail in an investigation result.

Urge to suspect...rising.

Tar very explicitly said there would not be long twilights for action sending.

@FL- could you please grant your joat bonuses today? Soon.

And why should I? I've already targetted someone with them. They don't get it til the end of the day.

Honestly, Kairyuu has basically shown why Mufasa is likely scum and needs to die.

Now.

Vote Mufasa

[forbiddanlight]

@ Forbiddenlight that was a terrible explanation of why you are voting for me, could you please explain your reasoning of voting off a claimed neutral who clearly has a correct claim and has a win condition that wins when any other faction wins?

First, neutrals are automatically a policy lynch for me in Tar games. Neutrals tend to bite us in the ass in the end. It's also a VERY easy claim for scum to make

Secondly, Kairyuu has pointed out no less than THREE inconsistencies in your claim.

Thirdly, I just plain didn't like how you were rather hesitant to claim.

[forbiddanlight]

@FL who did you joat?

FoS Sajin

You have absolutely NO business asking that.

NONE

[forbiddanlight]

I think I do, I was going to use it creatively. I was going to give it to someone I thought scummy and have them use it upon direction from the town. This would of used up their limited number of actions, but no you went ahead and gave it to someone. I asked you to wait.

You do realize I can change my target at any time before the day ends, right? Or did you miss this little fact?

guess what, you still don't have business asking since the power COULD technically make a target out of who I targetted.

Either way, I only know what two of the powers do, and I'd REALLY rather not give EITHER of them to someone scummy.

Sajin is confirmed town, guys. Just saying.

I know. He still deserved an FoS for asking me my target.

[forbiddanlight]

@FL- Your being incredibly uncooperative atm. Day 2 your vig worked at the middle of the day, day 1 you used your ability. How does this not work till the end of the day?

I'm not being uncooperative. You are being a moron.

Day 1, I granted a boon. This was from the MASK.
This has been reiterated a fucking million times.

Day 2, I GAINED the boon from the MASK.
This, also has been reiterated.

I USED the boon from the MASK D2, but since it was a boon, it was ME personally using it, precluding me from using my ROLE.

Learn
To
Fucking
COMPREHEND!

@FL and Pesco: If you guys agree that I should get the Mask of Truth, but don't want to lynch pops to get ot off of him, then this is the only thing that will work and still allow maximum power usage during the process:

1. Pesco should vig the Mask of Truth today.
2. Tomorrow, FL should vig specifically the Giant's Mask, and Pesco should bring back the Mask of Truth.
3. At the end of the Day/beginning of the next Day, I will be sent to a mask draft, where I will pick up the Mask of Truth, and voila, we have a double-shot cop/massive target for the scum.

So I shouldn't vig any mask today?

@Pesco/FL: I just thought of another possibility. If we alter the plan a bit, so that both of you use your actions for it both Days, we can get the Goron Mask back into play, and I can trade my Bunny Hood for that. That way there is no risk of roleblocking or redirecting, though I'll only get one investigation/Day. I'll come up with a step-by-step for that one in my next post.

Ok...I'll take this under advisement

3- If FL vigs a mask she cannot joat someone, I think the joat is more valuable and as such that ties up another resource as well.

Noooo...you once again, somehow, have misunderstood the role I've explained over 9000 times.

The MASK is what invents. My PERSONAL ability is mask vigging/reviving. HOWEVER, to USE a boon it counts as a personal ability.

Do
You
Understand
NOW?

Mufasa still needs to die, again for the reasons Kairyuu has pointed out AND the fact he's a claimed neutral.

[forbiddanlight]

I'd ask FL to stop languaging, but i'm afraid of FL. So that's how that works.

Aww, don't be scared. I actually missed the post where you said that earlier. I'll try to be better, provided people turn their brains ON.

[forbiddanlight]

@FL sorry I get it now, but would you consider the joat thing to someone else? The using of the joat uses the action, thats what I was getting at. I completely understood you could do both if you did not joat yourself, sorry for any confusion.

And who's to say I invented for myself?

I certainly didn't. However, I did yesterday, so today I have a boon. Meaning I can hide/find mask, or use that boon.

[forbiddanlight]

Yep, I get it. My post was relevence to the joat using someone ELSE's actions.

Ok, I understand you now. And yes, I figured that was what your initial plan was. It's just you seemed to get way off track and confusing earlier.

[forbiddanlight]

@FL: Given that you have a boon to use today, I would definitely suggest that you use that instead of a mask vig/return. I think that waiting until D3 to initiate my plan (if we use it at all) would mean less problems all around.

I'm not sure if I should use it immediately or not. It could be useful later.

[forbiddanlight]

I thought that boons like that go away after a cycle if not used. Does this work differently?

I'm PRETTY sure it does. Let me check.

[forbiddanlight]

It doesn't specify. As far as I can tell they last but I asked for clarification.

[forbiddanlight]

1) forbiddanlight (wearing 21) Great Fairy's Mask)

I did fullclaim.

Or do you mean the bolded need to?

And further, I now know the boon lasts until it is used or the game ends.

[forbiddanlight]

And FL, is whoever got the vig still alive?

should be.

So yeah. That is why you always lynch claimed neutrals ^-^

[forbiddanlight]

Also, FL, I am trying to figure out where the bus drive was last night, did you attempt to vig the mask off kairyuu?

Let me check my night actions. I forgot what I sent in...

Didn't you also claim neutral?

Nope. Townie Prankster

[forbiddanlight]

I hided the Garo mask. Sorry. That was my action that I chose at the beginning of the day and we never decided how precisely to change it.

What should I send in today?

I'm going to give someone a nice present.

[forbiddanlight]

I think Vi, Plum, Pops, or Budja is last scum. It's one of those four based on claims. FL isn't scum, I'm not, Sajin isn't, Pesco isn't either which leaves those four. Out of those four, I think Plum is most likely to be the last scum.

Well then, I'm pretty sure you know what to do about that .

[forbiddanlight]

And FL who got the invention anyways?

If you can't tell, then you should probably reread my posts today. but, if you can't, it's none of your business. It will either become immediately obvious or it won't need to be revealed.

[forbiddanlight]

FL what would happen if a bus drive hit your mask target's wearer, would it change your vig?

I would assume not. Because I target the MASK, not the player.

[forbiddanlight]

If I shot wrong, BTW, lynch the other player.

Can't pops still shoot?

[forbiddanlight]

Ive expended both my shots on neutral and scum. Forbiddanlight is very welcome to give me boon so I can shoot again

Nah. I prefer giving truly confirmed town people boons.

So, I guess we do have to lynch the other if Seraph is wrong

[forbiddanlight]

FL you should invent me or yourself. I think you can understand why it would not be wasted on me.

Well, the boon I'm going to grant will NOT be a vig

That is all I will say.

I do need a list of confirmed townies to make this interesting though.

I don't see Plum as confirmed town, and would not be surprised in Link were a falseclaim in a Tar game. The Fierce Diety's mask scares me too...

I don't know what to do right now.

[forbiddanlight]

FL and pesco, did you get actions in?

Not yet. I think I know what I'm going to do though and hope it works.

As for other things, do people want me vigging masks or using my boon for today? Tentatively I'm using it.

[forbiddanlight]

I would like a booned investigation.

And what makes you think I have one?

I don't see Plum as automatically being town at all. Being Link can mean nothing. I mean come on, the happy mask man was a good guy in this game.

I worry about it, but I dunno

How is Vi not confirmed? The Godfather is dead. My investigation pm doesn't say that my target is innocent, it says investigated Vi and Vi is town.

Bus Driver. Say Vi was swapped with someone? You just got the result on whoever he got swapped with.

[forbiddanlight]

Vi is a doubtful swap though. He doesn't have any powers, nor was she a really really shady character as of last night.

I love how you called her both he and she in the same post.

[forbiddanlight]

Plum seems overpowered to me whether she is town or scum aligned, I am suspected she is an SK. I could see Tar making the main character a serial killer too.

Hell, he's already a klepto.

I could get behind a Plum lynch.

In fact...

Unvote, Vote Plum

Something I know Tar likes to do just clicked.

[forbiddanlight]

What's that, please?

Nyeh, I think I can discuss it. I mean, he's reviewing a game of mine which is what reminded me, but it's public knowledge from his other games.

SKs are ALWAYS protected. In fact, they tend to be the only role with normal bulletproof powers. Replaceable has proven to be able to be any alignment, but SK's tend to get the bulletproof title.

I have no idea what happened to the Night 2 Mafia kill except that it didn't hit me, because it seems I am informed every time my endurance ability is utilized, and I was notified today and after the first Twilight, but not after the second Twilight.

Interesting. Doesn't really change my mind though.

[forbiddanlight]

@FL if you are town, please invent seraphim today.

ok.

Like your fun toy?

At any rate, should I hide any masks?

As far as I'm concerned, it's either pesco or Vi at this point, and I lean Vi. You played well talking yourself out of the anti town mask buuuuuut...it's just PoE at this point.

Vote Vi

(probable L-1)

[forbiddanlight]

Please do no remove any masks.

I can bring back a mask. Which one should I? Right now I'm hiding the Zora mask in case I'm wrong about Pesco.

Are you voting me for the mask, or are you voting me for being scum? (Or are you voting me AND scum?)

'Curiosity for the record, mostly. 'No sense in fighting this.

Both. Mostly for the mask but the rest is PoE.

[forbiddanlight]

I would rather Pesco if scum not have any suprises, or you.

meaning?

[forbiddanlight]

At this point I feel like egging you on mostly to see what you do when I flip Town.

@f-light: If Town has this game under lockdown like Sajin says, how about not doing anything to screw it up?

I could probably do that. I just like using powahs

You to bring back a useful mask and have pesco vig her own and grab it, or vice versa.

What would be a useful mask?

[forbiddanlight]

The captains hat, but that STAYS THERE.

Then what should I bring back?

[forbiddanlight]

Vig the giants mask in some off chance of the scum being able to kill seraphim with it.

So, don't bring a mask back, but vig it?

[forbiddanlight]

I really hope you aren't being a twilight trickster...

At any rate...we'll have to see what happens.

I couldn't give Seraphim the same thing since I can't give two of the same boon in a row. I can do them every other day though.

[forbiddanlight]

Well...that was interesting. Sorry about the zwet kill. I don't really hate you I just kinda...I still haven't figured out what I was doing.

Fun game overall, but was a bit boring in the "Let's lynch unconfirmeds" phase.