Super UPick - Abandoned by mods

[SpyreX]

Well, huh. Looks like we need to actually USE FoS's and whatnot.

That said, chamber's vote makes one

[SpyreX]

...

Lets play a little game of pretend:

Ice is being KIND of scummy. Then someone else does something AMAZINGLY scummy. So, votes come down (and your vote shifts) Then cpt scummy claims super-powered-death-cop-that-the-mod-confirms-day 2 on deadline day.

Now, because its almost deadline the people who haven't voted can shift to Ice, but you can't. How is that helpful?

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Note this is just a simple way of saying I see no positive gains for voting in this setup but a whole mess of negatives for doing it.

[SpyreX]

1 this is extreamly unlikely so I think the reactions I gained outweigh it anyway but 2 I'd pressure with a pseudo vote in this situation and wait till after the claim to vote for realz.

The situation I described is extremely unlikely? (Wagon gets pushed up / claim / move to backup wagon?)

And your solution is doing what you should have been doing?? I...

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My rule does end up helping scum as well (although not like the previous): All roles that can communicate outside of the thread may do so at all times.

[SpyreX]

lol, reactions doesn't change the fact that I see absolutely no upside for that maneuver.

However, as we've already reached critical mass with this it can sit, for now.

[SpyreX]

This game is the best game.

Not one but TWO people going yea cults are a great idea?

Day-hug 5 pages in?

Swisshh.

[SpyreX]

Well by nature assuming that he would have HAD to deny Tajo's OR Squirrel / Ice.

And looking at it I say we fill the gaps now.

[SpyreX]

Amen

Pyro seems totally MIA at the mo, tho - the last post was in here.

He needs to get back and do some talkin'

[SpyreX]

Well, ya see, when someone says something that doesn't make sense then vanishes well.

I just want it answered - the fact he isn't avoiding this game and just hasn't been on site makes this fairly null overall.

[SpyreX]

Ohh hay game.

What in the blue blazes is up with this absolute filibustering?

Vote: Pyro

Claim. Then die.

[SpyreX]

Ohh snap this game is in daytime woo

How about this for a shaker:

I'm Neighbors with DeathNote.

After the flip I asked DeathNote if HE was neighbors with Pyro (trying to feel out setup business).

He said he was.

I then, of course, asked if Pyro knew he was Hated.

Deathnote said he knew.

DN opted to not say anything about this in thread OR in our QT until after the flip.

Psuedovote: DeathNote

No way do you watch someone lemming off the cliff if you know something to advert it.

[SpyreX]

.....

Yea, go ahead and shoot him.

[SpyreX]

Yea, I do.

DN, in our neighbor thread, just said he was mafia AND heavily insinuated he was unlynchable.

I'm not sure what awesome gambit he's pulling but Cobalt needs to come back and pull the trigger.

[SpyreX]

I like how I have someone go "HAY I AM SCUM" and... nothing.

Notice that he's not denying it.

However, I'll give you an analysis.

[SpyreX]

I'm in the process of rereading but considering the fact your short list is 4 names and I'm one of them and not scum and no rationale has been given consider me unimpressed with said list thus far.

[SpyreX]

So, we want an analysis of this game?

It's almost impossible to nail anything down because apparently we've got a pair of VI's dancing about.

But, I'll play along

TOWN*:

Icerint - Goes without saying. Starting the chain of events that led to the fact a cult is likely is major points. However, self-said townieness makes him a high chance recruit.

Cobalt - Assuming that this game is going to have any semblance of balance AND Cobalt comes back and shoots today I'm going with town. In fact, he's a low priority recruit simply due to the fact he'd get instantly caught (assuming a recruit loses powers, if not WOOSH)

Primate - Overall I find the "cult can have everyone win" AND the "If I actually wanted him modkilled" statements to be direct and honest town looking for a win.

NEUTRAL:
(Pretty much the rest of the game. Pyro being hated and saying he wasn't going to claim until L-1 and yadda yadda makes a whole lot of worthless)

However, of the neutrals in order of town leaning to scum leaning:

Drench - I liked the aggression. I don't like the fact it went away. Overall neutral due to not much happenin'.

Mr. Squirrel - More posts. Seriously. However the posts that DO exist seem to be hitting the key points and movin along.

Boxman - Until things got stuck on pyro, solid. Then he gets sucked into the morass like everyone else. I like (and agree) with the logical leap that Hated 1 - Hated 2 (Bogre). Again, as per most, more posts.

Bogre - The claim makes one think he's town. The play - nonexistant.

Ort - Really felt like trying to play both sides on the pyro lynch. Don't like it. However, bigger fish.

Tajo - So far he's the biggest shift from day one to day 2. Thats my ping for cult recruit (day 1 does NOT make think he'd be a recruiter)

SCUM:

DeathNote - First he tells me that he knew about Pyro and opted not to say anything.

THEN he tells me he is mafia

. Then, as of preview edit, he says this was all "lol reactions" and then throws down a vote for me (which was already there so woosh) after saying he got nothing from his elaborate gambit.

Chamber - The vote business at the start still gives me a bad taste. This mystic list would be bad enough but it being justification for pish-poshing DN away makes NO sense.

* I have NO idea how to deal with actually finding cult. Sooo yea.

[SpyreX]

Jesus H this game.

What part of that whole business Ort is the million to one referring to?

[SpyreX]

I'm still flabbergasted at the DN play being A-OK.

Who are we still missing around these parts?

(My one thing is before SSK TAKES a damn shot I'd like to give said person a chance to claim / etc)

[SpyreX]

@Mod: Can we post parts of our QT?

DeathNote is, once again, lying. Very specifically that I will have to get paraphrase permission / quoting permission to explain (his chain of events is skewed AND the "paraphrasing" he's opted to use is actively designed to make what I said look scummy).

And we DID talk at night, not sure why he's saying we didn't.
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I'm God.

Each night I can target someone and if they are an angel they will be blessed the following day.

No, I do not know what the blessing does.

Chamber is NOT an angel.

[SpyreX]

Awesome.

Well, then the difference lies in these statements:

I SAID: "Who are the mafia then?"

NOT: "Ok, who is the other scum team?"

If I have to explain why that difference is scummy as hell in detail I will but hey everything else has been AOK thus far this game by DN.

[SpyreX]

Because I got (paraphrased): Your blessing did not work.

Mostly as a litmus test because of that whole early vote business. Knowing that alignment would help (as I'm HOPING angels aren't scum what with me being God and all).

[SpyreX]

I'm not in any way unkillable. You can shoot me or lynch me. However retarded that may be.

The fact chamber isn't an angel + this free ride for DN makes this mystical list all but awesome.

[SpyreX]

So, based on said short list (even assuming Pyro was on it) you're saying that you were given TOWN on 6 other players. In a mini.

Welp slam dunkers.

[SpyreX]

You gonna say anything about your little paraphrase stunt or is that just another par for the course?

And I was talking about N-1, not N-0. I didn't say anything much because *GASP* this is the first time I've had a neighbor and I'm not unlocking my secret diary for someone who I dont know if they are scum or town.

[SpyreX]

The above is apparently AOK++ TOWN ACTION TM.

Apparently there is no difference between "Who are the scum" and "Hello Mr.Mafia Tratior, who are the OTHER scum (because I am scum else why would I use the word other)"

Its ok cause half the game is cleared AMIRITE.

I have no more words.

[SpyreX]

I'm not used to this new SX and I don't know what I think about it.

It was before the game was opened (hence my not knowing it was day). How that registers as a function of everything else, not sure.

[SpyreX]

I don't know his Rolename.

Why MS?

I DID think about you but you're pretty solidly town. I wanted to see if someone I thought had bizarro world going on yesterday was an angel to get a feel for whats going on with this. Which, maybe, I have considering the ultra protection of DN.

I thought about Cobalt as well with the viggin.

[SpyreX]

I didn't assume he was neighbors with Pyro. I asked and he said he was.

[SpyreX]

Since DN was my neighbor AND Pyro flipped neighbor I was curious if we were dealing with multi-neighborhoods OR if there was some kinda chain mechanic. It was a very simple information to try and figure out more of the setup question.

Angels being blessed SHOULD be pro-town. However, having no magnificent angelic-guesses I went with someone who if it worked would be a.) more apt to not be a mislynch and b.) could then review their play from a town method. Whereas now I know he's not an angel* and thus this whole DN business is even odder.

*Yes, this is under the assumation that angels are town.

[SpyreX]

Unless your role is SpyreX there was a funny mistake in my PM that would have implied your role was SpyreX hence the comment which would have made more sense had we ever shared PM's.

I don't think all town is angels. I AM of the opinion that all angels are town, though.

[SpyreX]

Good lord man give me some credit Yea, God looking specifically for angels in a setup with a cult isn't going to give the happiest feelings.

Considering chamber has said nothing happened, I'm assuming no. This is doubled by the wording of my PM.

I targeted chamber because I found him that odd blend of just scummy enough to be that guy that is town and gets pushed.

No, I have no reason to believe for SURE that all angels are town. It's just a hunch with the God, angels, blessings, blessings only working on angels. So, yea.

[SpyreX]

Yea I picked God.

It's a UPick - I didn't think that was inherently bastardly, but, yes considering that it's starting to look like the angels are either lurking or don't exist I'm not stoked.

[SpyreX]

Yes, chamber is NOT the right vig choice. I could see MS, or DN.

[SpyreX]

Because a.) chamber is not an angel. b.) deathnote is over-the-top scummy and no one wants to bite it and c.) if deathnote flips scum chamber is dead. Period.

[SpyreX]

I don't say this often but... have you been reading the thread?

DN has been spiraling out of control and EVERY DAMN TIME I call him out on it he's absolved because of "the list".

[SpyreX]

Yea I'm still having more than a bit of a problem with the role that is "Here, have half the games alignments at start" and no other pieces than that.

Even WITH a cult I'm calling teaparty.

Also note: DN made reference to a N0. I sure didn't HAVE an N0.

[SpyreX]

I could TALK, but that does not = n0.

N0 has some fairly specific in game connotations.

[SpyreX]

SX -- What, you think DN was insinuating that he was scumbuddies with you? How would that make any sense? (Granted, this is DN.)

Hmm?

I have no idea why he would tell me he was a traitor unless he was expecting "OHH SNAP HAY TRAITOR THIS IS ME THE SCUM GIVING YOU THE SCUMTEAM"

However, that doesn't change the vote for me.

Or the lying paraphrasing.

Or the lying about Pyro (or knowing and not saying, whichever version you want to roll with).

The N0 thing is I sure didn't have anything to do pregame except talk to DN (which I sure didn't do much of). However, referring to it as N0 versus pregame has a different connontation - night actions.

See, I didn't get to DO anything n0. If he did (or had something done to him) one assumes it would be nefarious.

[SpyreX]

You do realize you are going in circles... all of you.

Yes, I am an extremely scummy person... get over it.

SpyreX has claimed a town cult leader.

Iecerint claims to have a potential interacting role with him.

Chamber knows I am town

and vice versa.

Can we quit restating the facts and pick someone to kill?

Is there like a different thread in the multiverse that is ALMOST this game yet way, way way not.

Because.... yea.

What in the hell?

[SpyreX]

Again, do NOT kill chamber. Even with the no angel business and the mysterious list I'd rather eliminate a scummy liability (ND) AND based on that go from there.

Boxman, MS, Drench - all need prods asap.

[SpyreX]

I can tell I'm not gonna get my DN vig/lynch so I would settle for MS/Boxman in any order.

We absolutely need the vig to shoot SOMEONE today though.

[SpyreX]

What did tajo lie about?

Unvote, Vote: Boxman

Fancy you showing up after the shot.

[SpyreX]

After peekaboo I could see shooting him - although I PERSONALLY would prefer if you're set on shooting today to shoot DN and lynch him.

[SpyreX]

Just that I want DN shot and with that mystical list protecting him I don't see it happening.

If you gotta shoot em, go for it.

[SpyreX]

I feel it pertinent, ONCE AGAIN, to mention how DN fell off the face of the earth once other actions were taken.

But, yea.

[SpyreX]

I really think Spyrex is scum. Lurking day 1 is a big scumtell for him. And I think Deathnote is (dumb) town and I trust chamber, so I think that the probabilities of Spyrex being scum increase for all the neighbor thing.

I don't even know where to begin.

1.) What did I lurk through on day 1?
2.) mmm, meta.
3.) WHY WHY WHY do you a.) think DN is town and b.) trust chamber?
4.) What does that have to do with the neighbor business?

I'm REALLY starting to get my tinfoil a blazin about tajo/chamber cult leaving DN for the patsy at this point.

[SpyreX]

Pyro-DN / DN-SpyreX

NOT SpyreX - Pyro

[SpyreX]

Do you consider your activity was normal on day 1?

Do you consider this day 1 to be NORMAL?

After the shot and then the claims pyro opted to go nuts. Thus, I voted him to L-1 (which DN knew about or said he did then didn't I digress) to, in fact, MAKE SOMETHING HAPPEN.

mmm yes, meta. Battle Mafia showed me a Spyrex that doesn't post much as scum. After your claim in that game, you went back to "normal", just like this one. But dude, you are an awesome scumhunter. I failed to see that in that game and I fail to see that in this game. Your scumlist is full of players that I think are town.

If you're going to meta, go ahead and do a full review of the games I'm scum.

Then disregard it because meta is silly. And see point 1.

DN reeks of stupid town. Totally disagree with him in his scumhunting methods. But since I think chamber is obvtown, that means deathnote is also town.

Do you have any case on chamber?

Chambers play? No. Well, not really (sans early stuff).
Chambers claim? Yes. A thousand times yes.

The possibilites of a scum in a neighbor are not neglegible, if you ask. Pyro was town, I think daethnote is town, so... I think you can end the sentence.

No, they are exactly what they are. A possibility. I'm not saying "I'm a neighbor, thus town." HOWEVER, I am saying the assumption that "I'm a neighbor, thus scum." is silly.

[SpyreX]

Unless there is some shenanigans with not being able to lynch him twice because of the vote rule - but that doesn't make sense with ice being able to shoot him.

Yea. Lets do this.

[SpyreX]

I think the self-vote when placed in conjuction with the AWESOME voting restrictions is a gambit. That will fail because he'll get shot OR we'll find out we have a liars in the claimed shooter.

[SpyreX]

Depending on the mechanic, this could be some kind of "they'll run me up, I wont die, they'll have voted for me THUS they can no longer vote for me."

However, the failure part of said gambit is the fact you've claimed the ability to shoot him if that happens - either you shoot him or you were making up the ability to shoot to begin with.

[SpyreX]

OHhhhhh, I apparently am retarded.

Yea, unkillable and unlynchable once?

riight.

[SpyreX]

And all is quiet on the western front.

Again.

Lets do this lynch.