A Clash of Kings - A Divided Kingdom

[Drippereth]

TOWN

Drippereth
Xvart
CryMeARiver
danakillsu
MacavityLock
animorpherv1
Benmage
Percy
Axelrod
Hayker

NEUTRAL

RichardGHP
Super Smash Bros. Fan
Migwelloni
Kleedrac
Vezopiraka
Mikujin
I doubt it
Paranoia

SCUM

Deer
Unsight
CCARaven4
Rifka Viveka
DrModem
Mina
MagnaOfIllusion

ASK NO QUESTION AND LYNCH

LynchMePls

Boy this game was easy.

[Drippereth]

Drippereth, was the thing about LynchMePls just a joke based on his username or is he a guy we actually want to policy lynch because of bad playstyle or meanness?

Thank you for inaugurating the first scummy post of the game.

[Drippereth]

Vote: Deer

[Drippereth]

Drippereth, was the thing about LynchMePls just a joke based on his username or is he a guy we actually want to policy lynch because of bad playstyle or meanness?

Thank you for inaugurating the first scummy post of the game.

Players ignoring the FACT that

Deer is scum

should start lining up to be the next lynch >>>>LINE STARTS HERE

Tell-tale sign of players willfully ignoring the presence of PROVEN scumbag

Deer

in our midst:

(1) idle discussions about self-raising
(2) self-raising
(3) joke self-raising
(4) recommendations that others raise self
(5) being RichardGHP

[Drippereth]

Pssst Axelrod

You forgot to vote Deer

He's scum

In case it's not obvious

[Drippereth]

Hey DGBeth I know you think it's cool to pull shit like this but like I'd really like some sort of explanation of how that question was at all a scumtell?

(1) My first post was for fun. That's obv.
(2) You took it seriously with regards to one player whose alias called for a special joke.
(3) Then you started to stir smelly stuff like

policy lynches

,

meanness

, and

bad play styles

.
(4) That means you're not scum with LynchMePLZ, but you seized an opportunity to get a safe non-buddy wagon going on what you hoped might be a vulnerable player.
(5) Ergo you are scum.

[Drippereth]

Whats point 5 there drip...?

Classic IIoA scumtell in post #27.

[Drippereth]

(5) being RichardGHP

What does this mean?

Whats point 5 there drip...?

Classic IIoA scumtell in post #27.

Mcav, whatya think of Deer?

Cmar = Town
Mcav = Town
Benmage = Town
Modern = Town
Ani = Town

Deer = Scum
Richard = Scum
Unsight = Scum

[Drippereth]

@Lynchmepls - Drippereth, assuming she's who I think she is, will only make newb townies and/or bad townies crumble under pressure whilst not actually finding scum.

^^^
RichardGHP = definite scum for downplaying the Drippereth hydra's legendary, awesome scumhunting (we get ourselves NK'd pretty early). You are safe to assume that we are comprised of Ellibereth & DrippingGoofball mind meld. So really. The scum doesn't have a prayer.

In other news, RichardGHP is also scum for suggesting we be a "policy lynch" especially in light of the above. We're more the scum's "policy NK."

Deer continues to be scum.

[Drippereth]

FALSE
Assuming a doctor is in the settup, I will be amaza-suprised if the double-voter isn't protected. So raising up whoever you think is the most pro-town is still the way imo.
Enough the whole raising thing though, people who are just talking about it and just ignoring the two scums that have already been flushed out are scummy.

[Drippereth]

I'm not sure I have what you're saying right...

If we say that Deer is scum again you'll vote for us.
If Deer flips scum you will want to lynch us.
If we flip scum you want to lynch Deer.

Am I interpreting it right?

[Drippereth]

Ah. Ok.
Please use only this account and try to remember to log off from your main account

MEGA IIoA

[Drippereth]

I'm going to lol when Drippereth is wrong - AGAIN

Townies don't taunt in this way. Scumz do.

I can't keep up with Richard's scumtells. He's posting them faster than I can point them out.

[Drippereth]

DethHydra, do you really think that's a tell from vez?

DGB here, yes, I think that's a psychological tell. To chide us to not use our individual accounts is a completely obvious comment that serves as a kind of false "authoritative filler" if you will. Especially in light of the fact that we have not posted in our individual accounts.

It's a textbook case of active lurking, but the contents are exceptionally scummy. I can hear the wheels turning in vezoscum's head: "hey, here's something I can fill a post with, that no one with object to, that is perfectly nentral, and puts me in a dominating position, SCORE!!!!"

[Drippereth]

A double voter is not that big of a deal. It's hardly a role that would (by itself) merit auto-Doc protection. I'm going to vote to raise someone I think is town, and then I'm going to pretty much forget about it. Even if we "raised" a scum, it would not be a problem until the end-game, which is a long, long way off.

In stark contrast to Deer, vezo and RichardGHP, the above is an awe-inspiring display of townie goodness.

[Drippereth]

Would you be so kind as to rephrase, or highlight, or by any means you want to the case on said "two scum".

It's now 3 scums. Just read our posts. They are short enough.

[Drippereth]

Richard, what games have you played with DGB?

[Drippereth]

Also, since I'm curious about something, what games do you remember having played with moi (Ellibereth).

[Drippereth]

Oooooooh, I HAVE A NICE FIND.
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 75#2189675

[Drippereth]

Unvote, Vote Richard

[Drippereth]

Oooooooh, I HAVE A NICE FIND.
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 75#2189675

Irrelavent to the game. I know DrippingGoofball plays a lot more randomly then this, but if you're going to contribute to the game, PLEASE use evidence from this game. This isn't contributing.

Strange thing to say, given that every one of RichardGHP's is hugely scummy.

Not many people would argue that I play randomly.

-DGB

[Drippereth]

And is this "oh 3 now" suppose to scare me...like asking you to rephrase scummy positions could possibly be interpreted as scummy, give me a fucking break, play better.

¯\(°_o)/¯

By "oh 3 now" I didn't mean

you

... Why did you assume I meant YOU? I was referring to vez.

But your feeling targeted is a slight scumtell.

[Drippereth]

...lead mislynches on townies and are just extremely annoying to have to put up with, like DGB.

Nope. We lead a disproportionate number of lynches on SCUMS, not townies. That's why we get ourselves NK'd early. Townies need not fear us, we only produce minimal friendly fire. Not to mention how liberal we are with our townie calls.

Your premise is completely wrong, but everything you post makes sense as scum. I'm seeing IIoA, AtE, misreps, and no scumhunting. In deciding whether you are that insincere a townie, or scum, I consider that your behavior is too extreme for town, and that you are scum.

[Drippereth]

I want to be raised as the new hand.
I am playing by role can't remember who is that called.
I am the next in line for the throne raise me.

I can't see why a double vote would be so precious...

[Drippereth]

DGB/Elli, I have only played one game with you guys and it wasn't pleasant at all. In fact, the sheer aggression and condescension DGB so blatantly displayed caused me to replace out of the role that I had only replaced in to a couple of RL days beforehand.

Orly?
1: I (Elli) REPLACED YOU in said game. You have played a game with my alt which we may be getting to later.
2: Game where DGB TERRORIZED RICHARD: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... highlight=
I recommend people just iso him fast, especially from ISO 4 onwards.
For you really lazy people, just look from here and the next few posts: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 24#2053224.
FOr the even lazier...basically Richard says he's lurking strategically and it's playstyle. People want him lynched and he replaces out. DGB was hardly the only one pushing his lynch. For Richard to want to policy lynch DGB just for what happened there is totally ridiculous.
RICHARD, QUOTE OVER SOMETHING FROM THAT GAME THAT MAKES SO DGB POLICYLYNCHABLE PLEASE!!!

As for the link Drippereth provided, that post was about policy lynches on people who play badly overall, like me, instead of those who play overly aggressive, lead mislynches on townies and are just extremely annoying to have to put up with, like DGB.

Hmf. Let's see your reasons policy lynching is BAD.

Lynchee could be an important Power Role
Lynchee won't learn how to improve their play if they get lynched Day 1 of every game
Chances are the Lynchee is town
Policy Lynching is condescending, unfair and non-sensical

Sooo, these things only apply to bad players, right? Points 1, 3, 4 don't apply to us at all?

[Drippereth]

...RichardGHP. So far, I do not have a read on him

To not have a read on Richard in this game violates several laws of physics, I am sure.

[Drippereth]

Drip, we get the point, my play is horrible and scum-like. Now can you please do some actual scumhunting?

Hey my scum hunting hit cruising speed in my first post, I'm scum hunting hard and fast with both my heads.

I'd like this from YOU:

(1) make a list of lurkers.
(2) give us your read of the non-lurkers.

Thanks ahead.

[Drippereth]

FOUR more will lynch Richard.

Now. For the raising. The towniest player besides myself is Percy.

We have a question.

Who would be in favor of raising the Drippereth hydra? Who would be against? Please explain your decision.

[Drippereth]

Sometimes we make it past day 2 if there is no outed cop or similarly important power role drawing protectio - otherwise the scum may assume that we are protected, since we tend to be a priority NK target.

[Drippereth]

Unsight is feisty. I'm liking it.

[Drippereth]

Just in case I'm wrong does anyone have a descent case on Richard? I read him and didn't find him scummy so much as dumb-town. Am I wrong? All of the cases against him lack substance beyond-the-meta.

If Richard flips town, or has a credible claim, we lynch Kleedrac.

If Richard flips scum, Kleedrac is 100% not his buddy.

[Drippereth]

Just in case I'm wrong does anyone have a descent case on Richard? I read him and didn't find him scummy so much as dumb-town. Am I wrong? All of the cases against him lack substance beyond-the-meta.

Starting to look more like VI to me as well.

You have to explain this in detail. Tell me how you are distinguishing scum from extreme VI. Explain why he doesn't need to claim at this juncture. I want to know who is more scummy, and who you'll be voting for next.

In case you wonder. You have made my scum list. Regardless of Richard's alignment.

[Drippereth]

This doesn't make sense...

No really it does. I'll explain later. No one says anything about it in the mean time.

[Drippereth]

BTW, Benmage is totally 100% town.

[Drippereth]

TOWN

Drippereth
LynchMePls
Unsight
Benmage
Percy
Vezopiraka
DrModem hasdgfas
danakillsu
MagnaOfIllusion

NEUTRAL

Xvart
Mina
MacavityLock
CryMeARiver
Paranoia
Axelrod
Rifka Viveka
animorpherv1

SCUM

Super Smash Bros. Fan (I have reasons I will expand on soon)
Kleedrac (conditional on Richard flip)
I doubt it
Deer
RichardGHP

LURKERSCUM

CCARaven4
Mikujin
Migwelloni
Hayker (active lurker)

[Drippereth]

Dana sticks out to me as scum, btw.

"Oh look guys Richard's at L-1 so I'll unvote to show everyone how townie I am"

Classic scum tactic.

This post is missing something.

A CLAIM.

[Drippereth]

Ninja'd.

I believe the claim.

unvote

[Drippereth]

People People...the scum last game had safeclaims, unless provable claims, nameclaims really shouldn't dissuade scummness.

Good point.

[Drippereth]

SuperSmash is town.

[Drippereth]

TOWN

Drippereth
LynchMePls
Unsight
Benmage
Percy
Vezopiraka
DrModem hasdgfas
danakillsu
MagnaOfIllusion
Super Smash Bros. Fan
RichardGHP

NEUTRAL

Xvart
Mina
MacavityLock
CryMeARiver
Paranoia
Axelrod
Rifka Viveka
animorpherv1

SCUM

Kleedrac (conditional on Richard flip) *** very scummy now
I doubt it
Deer

LURKERSCUM

CCARaven4
Mikujin
Migwelloni
Hayker (active lurker)

[Drippereth]

@Magna - I refer to both my personal history (DGB) and that of the Hydra. It may refer to Elli too, individually, I would need to check with him.

Top suspects are in my post #318. Kleedrac/DoubtIt top the list, and I am up to mow down any of the lurkerscumz - though as a general strategy for scum hunting they are best left to the vig, as their lynches are no super-informative. If no lurker is NK'd tonight, we may have to utility-lynch them.

[Drippereth]

oops

@Magna - I refer to both my personal history (DGB) and that of the Hydra. It may refer to Elli too, individually, I would need to check with him.

Yes it does. (Elli)

Vote: Kleedrac

In case that doesn't count:

Vote: Kleedrac

[Drippereth]

Uh, yeah. That's exactly what I was trying to do.

1. And why does buying him more time to claim and save himself seem scummy to you?

2. You're acting like you wish I hadn't given him time to claim, and that he had been lynched without doing so. That's extremely scummy. And he had to claim to save his own butt anyway, as evidenced by the fact that he DID.

3. unvote vote: SSBF Still up for a Migwelloni lynch, but SSBF saying I shouldn't have taken my vote away seems really wrong.

1. If RichardGHP were to flip scum, that would establish a connection between you and RichardGHP because you unvoted him just so he could claim.

Townies do that ALL THE TIME. I've done it as town. Probably more as town than scum. WIFOM and all, this is not a scumtell. The both of you are probably town. Please try to harass the scum instead of each other.

[Drippereth]

Just in case I'm wrong does anyone have a descent case on Richard? I read him and didn't find him scummy so much as dumb-town. Am I wrong? All of the cases against him lack substance beyond-the-meta.

Well it was this post

Exactly. Kleedrac is a horrible, horrible lurker and needs to die for the lurking alone. However, to pop up his head late in the wagon and declare a pretty strong town read on Richard, when he hasn't taken a stand on anything, smells like a scum that wants to evade detection, AND wash his hands of a townie lynch. He's not looking for scum at all, but he's showing up to announce his staying off the wagon. That's easy and safe when you know you the townies are.

DIE SCUM DIE

[Drippereth]

They use their vote to scum hunt, and pretty effectively from what I've seen so far, so how is giving them twice the vote bad? They may not be twice the effective scumhunter, but I think it would definitely improve their play. At the least they could use one vote to push their top suspect and the other to probe at people like they regularly do.

My point is that DripHydra can still continue to probe at players with a single vote while highlighting their top suspect as above. If the style is effective with one vote (which the concensus is that it tends to be so) then adding a second vote doesn’t necessarily increase the effectiveness in my mind. A declarative player who builds cases can thus build two strong cases and utilize their vote to back them, or to build a single strong case and support it twice.?

ILLOGICAL
ILLOGICAL
ILLOGICAL

SYSTEM FAILURE

Why on Earth does this apply to Drippereth, but not other players? It's only a generality. You're moving down on the town/scum list.

[Drippereth]

Yeah, Hayker is scum too.

[Drippereth]

Percy, we've played together?
Or are you basing the hard-to-read thing for me on the games you've modded.

[Drippereth]

Oh wait nevermind, I forgot about ongoing Liar game.

[Drippereth]

TOWN

Drippereth
LynchMePls
Unsight
Benmage
Percy
Vezopiraka
DrModem hasdgfas
danakillsu
Super Smash Bros. Fan
RichardGHP

NEUTRAL

MagnaOfIllusion
Mina
MacavityLock
CryMeARiver
Axelrod
Rifka Viveka
animorpherv1

SCUM

Kleedrac (conditional on Richard flip) *** very scummy now
I doubt it
Deer

LURKERSCUM

Xvart
Paranoia
CCARaven4
Mikujin
Migwelloni
Hayker (active lurker)

[Drippereth]

Your case on Benmage is overall, poorly executed. There are good cases and bad cases and you've just made a bad one. Scummy one even.

Good solid work, SuperSmash.

I will add that Benmage's in-game persona is not, erm, likable. When attempting to evaluate his alignment, it's important to sort out whether you have a visceral reaction, or whether he's actually scummy. I have played with him before, and as of now, Benmage is par for the course. The brain module that stops him from making scummy post is not functional, possibly much like RichardGHP's

[Drippereth]

Ahhh, first of all where the heck do I say anything about a town read on anyone?!?! As far as I'm concerned you're all scum atm. What I said was that I read Richard and didn't find anything lynch-worthy and didn't understand the bandwagon that formed to take his head off.

Is that not a town read? "Not lynchworthy?"

I also read through CryMeARiver and pointed out several things that were lynch-worthy without being answered.

Mmmm... distancing?

I'm lurking because...

because you are scum.

As for your 'case' first you claim my alignment is linked to Richard (with no justification or reasoning whatsoever)

I did post the reasoning. I repeat, in GREEN:

However, to pop up his head late in the wagon and declare a pretty strong town read on Richard, when he hasn't taken a stand on anything, smells like a scum that wants to evade detection, AND wash his hands of a townie lynch. He's not looking for scum at all, but he's showing up to announce his staying off the wagon. That's easy and safe when you know you the townies are.

In other words, if Richard is town, you KNOW he's town, because you're scum.

If he's scum... well no scum would defend his scumpal in such a way, that would make you town.

I will ignore the accusations of being a plate of spaghetti.

[Drippereth]

Kleedrac is hilarious and he cheers up my cold, dark, brooding heart. I think on some level I enjoy being referred to as a douche, when done for the purposes of comedy. It's too bad he's scum and we have to lynch him.

[Drippereth]

@Mikujin: Just wow. I was honestly hoping that you were going to actually produce some contents. Instead, you basically said this:

"Doucebags like us should get more respect."

That's border-lining RVS comment and we've already gotten them. Your comeback was downright pathetic.

FoS: Mikujin

Mikujin is now almost confirmed scum. Why the wimpy FOS, when you have a vote?

[Drippereth]

... and it's time for an update.

TOWN

Drippereth
LynchMePls
Unsight
Benmage
Percy
Vezopiraka
DrModem hasdgfas
danakillsu
Super Smash Bros. Fan
RichardGHP

NEUTRAL

MagnaOfIllusion
Mina
MacavityLock
CryMeARiver
Axelrod
Rifka Viveka
animorpherv1
Raivann - Deer (I'm giving the replacement a chance)

SCUM

Kleedrac (conditional on Richard flip) *** very scummy now
I doubt it
Mikujin (wow, just wow scum)
Hayker (moved up for deepened lurking)

LURKERSCUM

Xvart
Paranoia
CCARaven4
Migwelloni

[Drippereth]

Unraise
Raise: xvart

That should make sure it doesn't go to Drippereth.

We had 3 raises, xvart had two. We were voting for YOU. Sounds like self-preservation and self-interest.

Hey look:

Raise: Drippereth

[Drippereth]

EBWOP

We had TWO raises, xvart had two.

[Drippereth]

Also, given how insanely scummy you keep acting;

Unvote
Vote: Drippereth

That's namecalling with an OMGUS cherry on top.

Where's the case?

PS. My tying the raises was intentional, duh.

[Drippereth]

Ninja'd

Some of my last post sounds like parroting of Drippereth.

GREAT MINDS think alike.

[Drippereth]

I wanted to know Kleedrac's age. He sounds young. If the information on his profile is correct, he's 30?

[Drippereth]

There's just way too much "certainty" floating around in this thread. I absolutely hate it when people just start calling other people "scum" and act like they have it all figured out and it's case-closed when the truth is they know

nothing

. They have a

hunch

. An

opinion

.

I recognize this is a "style" thing for a lot of people, and they'll flip from calling someone obv.scum to deciding they are clearly town at the drop of a hat, and then immediately press on with their next "obviously scum" target, conveniently ignoring how horribly wrong they were the last time they called someone "obv.scum" and it drives me

nuts

. Please STFU or use some damn qualifiers. When you do this you are either being dishonest or you are just being a moron.

/rant

I don't know why I bothered to type this out. Maybe I'm having a bad day or something.

You've just described our playstyle.

What you fail to realize is that there is a lot of thought going into the flippant comments; we play a lot of games; the certainties are shorthand and qualifiers are assumed, so they don't need spelling out.

Your rant is, in fact, quite scummy. It's an underhanded criticism of us, without the balls of naming us, and just a big ole IIoA.

[Drippereth]

TOWN

Drippereth
LynchMePls
Unsight
Benmage
Percy
Vezopiraka
DrModem hasdgfas
danakillsu
Super Smash Bros. Fan
RichardGHP

NEUTRAL

Xvart
MagnaOfIllusion
Mina
MacavityLock
CryMeARiver
Rifka Viveka
animorpherv1
Raivann - Deer (I'm giving the replacement a chance)

SCUM

Axelrod
Kleedrac (conditional on Richard flip) *** very scummy now
I doubt it
Mikujin (wow, just wow scum)
Hayker (moved up up and up for deepened lurking)

LURKERSCUM

Paranoia >>>replaced?
CCARaven4
Migwelloni

[Drippereth]

Eww 436. Vote Kleedrac and in the same post unvote, vote Dana?

Yes my friend, learn to recognize that the post is in the format of "FOS: buddy, vote: townie"

If Paranoia flips scum, Kleedrac is guaranteed scum, and Dana is guaranteed town.

I'm not even wild about the Mina raise, although I don't think its terrible. With the exception of that 436 is one giant scumdar alert for me.

If we can't have a majority of votes for raising someone, does that not mean we raise no one?

[Drippereth]

I do find SSBFs ''parrotgate'' suspicious, but not because parroting is suspicious itself, or more accurately since there was a ninja post, clearly no parroting happened at all. Instead, in his haste to accept 'guilt' for this action, and quickly get out in front of what was not scummy at all he reveals IMO a awareness of his own scumminess i usually see out of scum players-scum often see themselves and partners as scummier than they really look for example.

I'm of the opposite pint of view; if he were scum he wouldn't have drawn attention to it.

[Drippereth]

CATCHING UP!

Call me a sucker, but I believe Kleedrac here. He seems to be genuinely pissed.

Scum can be genuinely pissed too. Anyway, I recall thinking you were scum somewhere earlier but I forgot why. I'll figure it out later.

SSBF: Scummy, due to apologizing for what is unnecessary to apologize for.
Magna: Scummier, due to latching on to "parroting" without looking at context, attempting an easy dig.

SSBF: Disagree
Magna: Agree

Miku is prob town.
dana is town.
lynchme is to.

ah bleh, barely anything's changed.
Kleedrac still needs to die.

[Drippereth]

Percy ignores Drippereth.

Drippereth ignores Percy.

Hun,

Percy is playing a very townie game thus far. Thing is, I expect no less of him - regardless of his alignment. Kinda like Zorblag. He won't screw around with the town like normal scumbags. If he survives several nights in a row, especially if there is another player drawing doc protection, he's probably scum. That would be the only scumtell I'd expect of Percy. Continuing to be alive past such time as the scum should have taken care of him.

Love,

DGB

[Drippereth]

Are people voting Raivann because Kleedrac is lurking himself away from being a vote magnet?

Just askin'

Inquiring minds want to know.

[Drippereth]

3) Lynch Raivann. But if we don't do this today, even if he's scum, it probably won't hurt us.

oops!

unvote, Vote: Danakillsu

It's not like Dana is the only player with a mind to lynch you. Why him? The rest are bus'ing?

[Drippereth]

Drippereth: I think people are voting Raivann because of his awful 180 on Kleedrac. I take it you don't think this is scummy?

I didn't look at whatever quote it came from but 180's aren't always that scummy at all.

And Drippereth, fyi, this is one of the things that annoys me most about this "style" - while you certainly generate "reactions" from people, it's very hard to parse the scummy ones from the legitimately annoyed and/or frustrated ones, at least for me because I'm very sympathetic to them.

Isn't that the whole game? Seperating townies from the scum? HZAM.

Right now I still think Kleedrac is more likely scum then Rai (who replaced deer who is still scummy etc. etc.) but talking with DGB.

[Drippereth]

WHAAAAAA I'M STILL CAUGHT BY MARATHON CAP LOCKS FEVER.
ALL I WANT TO SAY RIGHT NOW IS THAT RAI IS MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MORE TOWN THAN KLEEDRAC!

[Drippereth]

What do you find so important about being the hammer on a lynch? What does it benefit town that you be on “hammer” duty?

Cause on mafiascum.net, there is an incredible amount of players willing to vote but not to hammer the same player. Thats my intention

Are you kidding me? Everyone wants to hammer. Who doesn't have hammerlust?

Something very fishy here, either you wincon requires that you hammer, or you're scum and looking for excuses to hammer.

[Drippereth]

It's fishy because: why would you shout out that you want to grab the hammer... we're not at L-2 anybody. Why are you so special that we should wait for you for hammering?

I think you're scum and your preempting suspicion for your future scumhammers.

[Drippereth]

I SEE MASSES OF WALLS AEFRUYAWRGLAR.
MUST READ MASSES OF WALLS.
MUST SKIM MASSES OF WALLS.
MUST SKIP MASS OS WALLS >.<

Raivan is town -> http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 8#p2317958 <- That trio stream of posts came from town.

So yeah, I'll skim around the last few pages looking at stuff now.

[Drippereth]

SSBF was town with that massive wagon analsys post from way back when..
I think CMAR's away sitewide but I remember thinking he was town.
Kleedrac wagon evaporation makes me sad. There's prob scum on this jump onto CMAR.
Oh wait let me check old votecounts.

[Drippereth]

RichardGHP (13) - CryMeARiver, MacavityLock, I doubt it, LynchMePls, xvart, Drippereth, MagnaOfIllusion, danakillsu, vezopiraka, Deer, Animopherv1, Mikujin, migewelloni

BAM! There's scum on that. Tons of 'em.
SO Lynchme's tow, we're town, dana's town, vezo's town, miku's town.

LEAVES.
Cry, Mcav, doubt, xvart, Magna, Deer, ani, migewe
I think Ani and Cry are town so I'll chop them off the list.

Mcav, doubt, xvart, Deer, migewe.

^^^Okay, we can use this for the future. Not that releveant now, whatevs. And who the heck is migewe anyway?

[Drippereth]

I SEE MASSES OF WALLS AEFRUYAWRGLAR.
MUST READ MASSES OF WALLS.
MUST SKIM MASSES OF WALLS.
MUST SKIP MASS OS WALLS >.<

Raivan is town -> http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 8#p2317958 <- That trio stream of posts came from town.

So yeah, I'll skim around the last few pages looking at stuff now.

ON RAIVAN

[Drippereth]

Hmph, it seems I was wrong about CMAR being not on-site. He has posted elsewhere over last few days.

[Drippereth]

1. You do realise Raivann replaced Deer, right? You have them as potential scum on the Richard wagon, but say he's town. Why wasn't he struck off with the other two?
2. Do you agree with Raivann that dana, Richard and Mina are scum? Is that why you keep linking that post? If Richard is scum, doesn't that invalidate your wagon analysis?
3. What is your read on SSBF? Raivann thinks he's scum, too, and you once had reasons you were going to expand on as to his scumminess, but he's also town?

1. Isa think he's town right now because of that trio. Not sure on DGB yet.
2. No. All 3 are town. Those 3 posts reek of town though
3. Town.

I think RAIVAN is TOWN, but I don't think I agree with him on much at all.

[Drippereth]

And scum would have bussed Richardscum, so that wagon thing would have worked regardless of Richard alignment.
But that doesn't matter.
Because Richard is town.

[Drippereth]

Naw, I remember some distinctly pro-town stuff from him earlier stuck in those walls but I'M NOT LOOKING AT ANOTHER WALL TODAY. So I'm not looking.
You've seen SSBF scum? I've been trying not very hard to look, link pwease.

[Drippereth]

^^^What I'm saying is that the read wasn't because of the post length if it's not clear.

[Drippereth]

There was probably more, but what's wrong with getting a read off one post? I do it quite often with a fair amount of accuracy.

[Drippereth]

I don't remember having a CMAR lurking-scummeta. He was uberactive in the game with him where he was scum, (Mafia in Mendo, in New York).
That's also the same game where the whole contract thing from waaaaaaaay earlier was probably shown to him.
Yeah.
What happened in that traffic game?

[Drippereth]

THAT ONE'S EASY.
The early soft-claim was so uberly towny.

[Drippereth]

I'm not a fan of no lynch, I'm less of a fan of voting for someone you don't think is scummy just to make a lynch happen.

Rly?

CMAR vs. Raivann is clearly Cry because of the lurkering and stuff. I'll wait and see if DGB gets back before DL.

[Drippereth]

I changed my mind in the shower.

I'll be out all day, and there isn't enough time before the deadline to make

two

moves like this.

The Richard vote was a trap for only one person. I think this vote will be much more informative.

Unvote

Vote: Budja

Hey, guys! We have about thirty-six hours before the deadline, and Budja is now a lynch option again. Who's willing to change back to the player they actually suspected?

GOODPOSTING.
I DID MENTION HOW TOWN MINA IS RIGHT?
How hard the Klee/Budja wagon has been to build is disturbing.

The Raivann vig claim and Richard vig enabler vigclaim settup redundancy argument I dunno. Doesn't convince me about anything.

Why are all the votes shifting to someone who is most probably town?

This is idiotic.

RichardGHP shouldn't be lynched just because apparently Ser Loras can vig someone on his behalf. He should live so the scum have to waste a nightkill on him.

GOODPOSTING
I MENTIONED THAT UNSIGHT IS WONDERFULLY TOWN TOO RIGHT?

[Drippereth]

ANYWAY
I will be here to switch to CRY or whoever at deadline.

BUT

CAN YOU ALL BE MAGICAL AND SWITCH OVER TO BUDJA???
IT CAN BE DONE IN 24 HOURS!

[Drippereth]

Oh yeah, way offtopic, but Kinetic is prob scum.

[Drippereth]

Something about Percy is wierding me out but I don't know what.
Bleh, look into it later.

[Drippereth]

I'm hammering in 30 minutes. Because I'm nice and giving Cry a chance to stop lurking and post his fakeclaim. In 30 minutes.
BWAHAHAHAHA

[Drippereth]

''Paraphrasing a role PM takes seconds, fabricating a good fakeclaim can take an eternity.''

[Drippereth]

BUT I HAVE HAMMERLUST
IMMENSE HAMMERLUST

SINCE YOU'RE UBERTOWN SO I'LL WAIT FOR YOU.
BUT BE FAST PLZ.
THANKS.

[Drippereth]

I love mangling English. No So durrrr.

[Drippereth]

HAHAHAHAHA
COMES OUT RIGHT AFTER MY DEATH SENTENCE TIMER ANNOUNCEMENT.

[Drippereth]

Where's your breadcrumb?

[Drippereth]

We're not lynching Richard.
Methinks Bulletproof claim + timing of claim means Cry almost certainly has to die.
And then there's whatever magna has.

CRY.
Have you ever been in a game with scum claiming bulletproof before?

[Drippereth]

Did you read anything after your "OH SHIT" comment from yesterday?
And you were all active in your other games in preceding days, why weren't you here?

And who's Scum?

[Drippereth]

Look, I'm really sorry guys, this isn't my normal play AT ALL. I have WAY too many games on my plate at the moment and I am SOOOOO limited on the computer it's not even fair. Sorry for screwing everything up.

Am I the only one who had a first reaction here that he was apologizing to his scumteam?

[Drippereth]

Hi guys, the hydra has been slacking and is commencing catching up.

[Drippereth]

First of all, neither of us logged in and checked PMs or anything, thinking the other had done it.

I think SSBF is town (gut), though the case is convincing (head). We had vezo pegged as town yesterday, so until I'm fully caught up I cannot independently agree or disagree with the case. I like to make my own mind.

I need to look at the late wagoners for Raivann. Scumz that resisted bus'ing might have had to do it when it started to look hopeless.

I do like IDI's case on danakilsu, since it fits my theory.

[Drippereth]

Hahaha.

Raivann claimed vig. Oh that's too funny. Then the real vig, vig'ed him.

Who fakeclaims vig?

Richard is still scum, Mina sure seems scared to leave me alive. Percy seems to always wanna lynch me.

One of these three is scum.

[Drippereth]

I'm not as sure as the rest of you that Percy is town.

[Drippereth]

With a flashlight, you can read late at night.

My book says that Percy IS scum.

[Drippereth]

I felt that Deer was town. Then, that Kleedrac was scum. I thought that the scum was trying to distract from the Kleedrac wagon with a Raivann wagon, because Raivann didn't really stand out to me.

I (DGB) am now dead in a few games, so I'll be able to spend more time in this one.

[Drippereth]

The theory that scum would be late on the Raivann bus, especially since there was a credible alternative.

[Drippereth]

First of all, neither of us logged in and checked PMs or anything, thinking the other had done it.

Oops. This is my fault.

(That said...I've played with dana, and he isn't the brightest bulb. In a game where the mod had been caught ripping off all the roles from a game off-site that featured a a team of mason-rolecops, this is a guy who believed scum over the mason claiming the investigation of a buddy WHO'D JUST BEEN NIGHT-KILLED AND FLIPPED THE SAME ROLE THAT APPEARED IN THE OTHER GAME. And then STILL believed the scum was telling the truth the next day, AFTER THE SECOND MASON FLIPPED TOWN. Like, not the brightest bulb at all.)

I NEED TO SAY THAT I OFFICIALY WON THAT SINCE I WAS A SURVIVOR BUT GRIMMY SCREWED UP.
OK THANKS.

I'm not sure what DGB meant, prob mistype, but my timeline with that slot was:
Deer = Scum, replaces out for Raivann, Raivann posts and moves from scum -> neutral -> town supplemented by the claim.

[Drippereth]

Took quick glance at wagons.

RichardGHP (13) - CryMeARiver, MacavityLock, I doubt it, LynchMePls, xvart, Drippereth, MagnaOfIllusion, danakillsu, vezopiraka, Deer, Animopherv1, Mikujin, migewelloni
L-1, 3-4 Scum, Deer is on.
Cry is town, Lynchme is town, we're town, vezo is town, Miku is town.
2, 3{Mcav, I doubt, cvart, Magna, Ani, dana. mige}

Kleedrac (8) - Drippereth, LynchMePls, Super Smash Bros. Fan, danakillsu, RichardGHP, vezopiraka, I doubt it, Raivann
L-6...2 scum sounds about right, and Raivann already there
We're town, Lynchme is town, Richard is town, I'm going to continue to insist that vezo is town because of that softclaim
1 Scum in {Supersmash, dana, I doubt it.}

CryMeARiver (10) -Hasdgfas, LynchmePls, MacavityLock, RichardGHP, xvart, vezopiraka, Axelrod, MagnaofIllusion, CSL , Raivann
L-4, 2 or 3 probs, again with Raiv already though.
Cow is town, Lynchme is town, Richard is town, vezo is town.
1, 2 in {Mcav, xvart, Axel, Magna, CSL}

Raivann (11) Mina, Mikujin, Locke Lamora, julienvonwolfe, I doubt it, Rifka Vivieka, Percy,Thor665, Danakillsu, Super Smash Bros. Fan, Vezokpiraka
(+ Benmage, LynchmePls)
L-1, 2-3 bussing on probs?
Mina is town, Miku is town, julien is town, vezo is town
2-3{Locke, I doubt, Rifka, Percy, Thor, dana, supersmash}

CryMeARiver (14) - Hasdgfas, MacavityLock, RichardGHP, xvart, Axelrod, MagnaofIllusion, CSL , Raivann, Mikujin, Percy, Budja, Vezokpiraka, Locke Lamora, LynchMePls
LYNCH, 3-4, with Riavann
Cow is town, Richar is town, Miku is town, Budja is town, vezo is town, Lynch me is town.
3, 4{Mcav, xvart, Axel, magna, CSL, Percy, Locke}

[Drippereth]

Oh yeah, hand of the king vote too.

Percy (14) - hasdgfas, Mikujin, MagnaofIllusion, MacavityLock, Percy, vezopiraka, I doubt it, Super Smash Bros. Fan, Rifka Viveka, RichardGHP, Lynchmepls, CSL, julienvonwolfe, xvart
Not sure how many scum here....
Cow si town, Miku is town, vezo is town, Richard is town, Lynchme is town, julien is town.
{Magna, Mcav, percy, Supersmash, Rifka, CSL, xvart}

[Drippereth]

Richard is confirmed town, I was the first person on Raivann's wagon, and Percy was the third (I suppose Percy's jump onto CMAR and back to Raivann could be a case of distancing from a buddy, briefly supporting an alternate lynch when it seemed viable, before deciding once and for all to cut ties--I'll reread the evolution of his opinions in context--but that would be kind of convoluted). You're better off making a case that we're on the other scumteam.

Doesn't have to do with order on wagon, usually when scum mentions names like that there's one buddy in them.
Richard's conf town, you're awesomely town, so we're leaning Percy.

[Drippereth]

EBWOP: I left out Idoubt from the Percy hand wagon list.

[Drippereth]

Would dana say this if he were Raivann's buddy?

I agree with the reasons given by others that his claim is probably not true. If he flips town, we'll know that Raivann is probably scum. If he flips scum we'll know that Raivann is probably town.

[Drippereth]

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 3#p2333363

RICHARD.

[Drippereth]

We're working on Percy case but it probs won't be up for a few days.

[Drippereth]

I thought vezo was town since the softclaim, didn't go through the links to check timeline, but before the softclaim we thought he was scum.

[Drippereth]

I'm sure there had to be more people with disagreed on reads with on that town list. Raivann was mentioned specifically that time because someone asked me I think.

[Drippereth]

I re-read the post-claim stuff from yesterday.

Reactions to the vig claim:

RichardGHP: "BTW, someone should unvote just to be safe, but a clear wagon should remain evident. Raivann shouldn't be off the hook because of a vig claim." Singularly cautious, if he's a townie.
I doubt it: buys the claim. Townie.
RichardGHP: "Needless to say - you are not the lynch for today, but you definitely are not clear."
vezok: "Obv fakeclaim. You were voting to raise CMAR. I don't want to lynch a vig now. If CMAR flips scum raviann should be obv scum. Someone asked who I believe scum. I believe both of them are scum. UNVOTE: VOTE: CMAR"
Mina believes it. Townie.

Doubting a vig claim is really weird. Except from Richard.

So vezok looks really scummy for disbelieving a claim few of us had reason to doubt, and was easily provable. I had a town read on vezok yesterday, though. Maybe I was wrong.

(DGB)

[Drippereth]

RichardGHP

(13) -

CryMeARiver

, MacavityLock, I doubt it,

LynchMePls

, xvart,

Drippereth

, MagnaOfIllusion, danakillsu, vezopiraka,

Deer/Deer/Raivann

, Animopherv1, Mikujin, migewelloni
L-1, 3-4 Scum,

Deer/Raivann

is on.
Cry is town, Lynchme is town, we're town, vezo is town, Miku is town.
2, 3{Mcav, I doubt, cvart, Magna, Ani, dana. mige}

Kleedrac/Budja

(8) -

Drippereth

,

LynchMePls

, Super Smash Bros. Fan, danakillsu,

RichardGHP

, vezopiraka, I doubt it,

Deer/Raivann

L-6...2 scum sounds about right, and

Deer/Raivann

already there
We're town, Lynchme is town, Richard is town, I'm going to continue to insist that vezo is town because of that softclaim
1 Scum in {Supersmash, dana, I doubt it.}

CryMeARiver

(10) -Hasdgfas,

LynchMePls

, MacavityLock,

RichardGHP

, xvart, vezopiraka, Axelrod, MagnaofIllusion, CSL ,

Deer/Raivann

L-4, 2 or 3 probs, again with Raiv already though.
Cow is town, Lynchme is town, Richard is town, vezo is town.
1, 2 in {Mcav, xvart, Axel, Magna, CSL}

Deer/Raivann

(11)

Mina

, Mikujin, Locke Lamora,

julienvonwolfe

, I doubt it, Rifka Vivieka, Percy,Thor665,

Danakillsu, Super Smash Bros. Fan, Vezokpiraka

(+ Benmage,

LynchMePls

)
L-1, 2-3 bussing on probs?

Mina

is town, Miku is town, julien is town, vezo is town
2-3{Locke, I doubt, Rifka, Percy, Thor, dana, supersmash}

Underlined:

players that might have hear the Greyhound horn.

CryMeARiver

(14) - Hasdgfas, MacavityLock,

RichardGHP

, xvart, Axelrod, MagnaofIllusion, CSL ,

Deer/Raivann

, Mikujin, Percy,

Budja

, Vezokpiraka, Locke Lamora,

LynchMePls

LYNCH, 3-4, with Deer/Raivann
Cow is town, Richar is town, Miku is town,

Kleedrac/Budja

is town, vezo is town, Lynch me is town.
3, 4{Mcav, xvart, Axel, magna, CSL, Percy, Locke}

Deer/Raivann were late wagoners.

So is vesok.

Mmmm.

[Drippereth]

My scumdar was off yesterday, but I think vezopiraka is scummier than SuperSmash.

I guess I'm disagreeing with my other half on this issue.

(DGB)

[Drippereth]

3) Lynch Raivann. But if we don't do this today, even if he's scum, it probably won't hurt us.

oops!

unvote, Vote: Danakillsu

This looks bad for danakilsu, actually. Looks like 3-way bus'ing.

[Drippereth]

Thor's post seems scummy to me as well, he is making sure not to offend.

Who's this Thor person, I didn't know he existed, how did Raivann notice him unless they're buddies?

[Drippereth]

@All (Drippereth especially)
Explain to me how it WOULD have hurt us to not lynch Raivann

D1

even if he had not been NK'd. What I was saying was just that we could lynch him tomorrow.

I agree with this, and for this reason, I find that the players screaming "fakeclaim" were the scummiest of the lot.

But then, Raivann voted you for having a reasonable position, so the forecast is sunny with a chance of bus'ing.

[Drippereth]

Pretty sure he replaced in, and Raiv was commenting on his summary post....its something to considering looking in to...

And, your doing your vote analysis wrong....also side note, why is LmPls green?

You're right, he replaced Paranoia. So why did Raivann want to cast aspersions on an insignificant player that no one noticed? For town cred, because that player is prob scum.

LynchMePls is town. Read his posts. Shining beacon of townie-ness, every single one of them.

[Drippereth]

Thor is VLA July 1-7. I do like this posts, the early ones. Then after his iso post #8, he gets lazy, and starts coasting. Mmmmm.

[Drippereth]

LynchMePls is town. Read his posts. Shining beacon of townie-ness, every single one of them.

I'll look again, but its going to be easy for scum to look town when they have the luxury of actually scum hunting.

No really, his post literally glow with green.

Wanna look at Thor, see if you see anything different?

[Drippereth]

Then why aren't Cow, Richard, Miku, and vezo green as well since you claim them town in your wagon analysis post? Furthermore, how can you claim Vezo is town and then claim Vezo is scummier than SSBF? For the record, I could see Richard being green due to his claim and the flip of Loras; so you think unconfirmed LMP is more town than nearly confirmed Richard?

Your wagon analysis seems pretty subjective and manipulated.

FoS: Drippereth

xvart.

LynchMePls is more town than all the players I've ever declared to be townies. And that's never going to change. So he gets the green.

As for vezo, I thought it was clear. Both Elli and I (DGB) had a town read om him/her yesterday. I believe this town read carried over with Elli today. But now that I (DGB) am re-reading, and looking at the data, I'm not finding vezo quite so townie anymore.

I should have put Richard as green - I thought I did. This was an oversight.

Not sure about Miku and hascow. These are gut reads, they don't get green.

[Drippereth]

I cannot confirm dana's ability, I am not be able to observe an effect of a jailkeep/roleblock.

Sorry.

[Drippereth]

Hello my little cupcakes,

My hydra half is going on vacation, I'm taking over (DGB). Catching up now.

[Drippereth]

I believe I addressed both accusations and will now dismiss them fully with a hearty belly laugh - HAH HAH!

For this sentence alone, I'd be willing to lynch Thor. Just sayin'

[Drippereth]

oh. oh. ohhhhhhhhhhhhh. I see. No. Vezo said that he didn't want the day to end in a no lynch and that everyone should vote for raivann. I was telling him to be patient because we had two days until deadline and had plenty of time to figure out who to lynch.

I missed that bit about vezo. If true, no way vezo is scum, then.

[Drippereth]

[quote="diddin"]So, I just did a major read and still need a little bit of time for it all to gather in my head, but for now, I have scum reads on both Dana and SSBF, moreso on Smash./quote]

What a coincidence!!! Both are under extreme suspicion.

We should lynch dindi.

[Drippereth]

Number 1 scum: vezokpiraka
Votes for Raivann, unvotes him because of his claim, even though he thinks it's fake, then votes for someone else, while saying Raivann's still probscum but he might be wrong. Wow.

Vote: Vezokpiraka

Oh, yeah, but THIS. This is why I had a scum read on vezo. I can't convince Elli... but I think that's scum knowing the claim is fake.

Vote: Vezokpiraka

[Drippereth]

@DripHydra

– what happened to that grand Percy case? Was that coming from the Elli head?

Yeah. There were several things that bugged me. But then he's posting an avalanche of content... that seems town... and I'm thinking... would scum be SOOOOOOOO invested in figuring things out? Only if there are two scum teams, and he's looking for competition... otherwise he'd be town... I'm uneasy. Anyhoo, if he's town, he'll be dead soon enough.

[Drippereth]

Can't be scum if something easily verifiable is true.
Is scum, must vote for him.
My head asplodes.

My head, too.

WIFOM, I know, but it would be a whole lot more straightforward to know the best lynch for today if I were scum.

[Drippereth]

WIFOM, I know, but if I were scum, fearing another scum team, I'd kill them at night, rather than use my one vote during the day.

[Drippereth]

I'm waiting on someone that knows the flavor to be illuminated...

[Drippereth]

Girls - princess is one thing, but the jump from girl>princess>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>NEXT IN LINE TO THE THRONE

that's a stretch.

[Drippereth]

PROD RECEIVED
I'M BACK FROM VACATION-LAND YAY.
Still have a few other games to catch up on etc. and all that so latest Monday.
Yah.

[Drippereth]

Magna: I stabbed Kinetic.

Really??? It's not like you had a chance to win the stab-elections.

SCUM DISTANCING ALERT

[Drippereth]

hey Hydra simulpost, DGB hedre, #1373 was from Elli.

I'm very sad that we're not lynching vezo.