The Return to Liten (Game Over)

[chesskid3]

Hiya. I'll read this tomorrow. Any pressing issues, etc etc?

[chesskid3]

Two questions: 1: Alignment confirmed or not?
2: if there's the extra shot, I don't mind being vigged, if this slot has been lurky all game. I'd obviously prefer not to get shot, but if it's going to be a problem, i'm cool with that. Going to read up in a few hours, and to avoid any confirmation bias, I didn't look at any flips.

[chesskid3]

Ok, here goes. Thoughts as I read the game.

Post #27: SK breadcrumb spotted

Hallo~

I would not object,

SK

.

Post #43 Nobody Special ignores an RVS wagon. IIRC from my one game with him he doesn't like random RVS wagons though so uh why did I bother typing this.

NC post #46 "wouldn't it be funny if he was

actually

scum?" UGH. IGMEOY. Slip or horrible wording?

Page 3 - Nikanor is town.
Oh hey dana's getting wagoned. What a fucking surprise. There's scum in the first 4 votes on that wagon, waiting for a VC to see exactly who it is (dana is an easy wagon)
OH GOD THIS DANA WAGON. Dana is town, calling it now.

Erg, still have yet to read flavor.

Meanwhile,

Vote: Dana

P-edit: Try caps.

This is bad

Unvote Vote: danakillsu

Vote is for meta reasons. I do not trust dana on inch, and I can't discuss why yet. I've seen this before. Note: My other head is not aware of this meta. WHich brings up an interesting question:

@mod: Can I discuss ongoing games with my other head?

No, as you'd still be violating site policy of not discussing an ongoing game with a player that is not in said game. If both of you were in the same game, then it would be a different story.

--Wraith

So is this
Daniel is town based on sheer idiocy that no scum would ever possess, so that clears CES wheeee.

hahah post 76 by Nikanor "explain yo town read on me, foo" further solidifies the read. ahahaha.


Furry is town.

Post #91 from Nero Cain sucks too. This guy is probably scum.

WHERE THE HELL IS BOWSER ON THE PLAYERLIST WTF IS GOING ON

MoIwrote: (thanks) For future reference – the order of the Dana wagon

Nikanor(town), Thor, DanielofManyNumbers(town), SquareOb(scum), LMP(town), ApCakes(town), Furry(town), Bowser(WHO THE HELL IS THIS GUY)

FoS: Thor

Vote was for meta, but at the moment I don't see much beyond a bit of meta-relation, and meta alone isn't a good enough reason for a vote.

Unvote

That screeching sound is a horrible bail off a failwagon. Yup. Whee.


That's the first 5 pages.

CES is town
Furry is town
Thor is scum
Camn is scum

can I stop now?

[chesskid3]

if Furry and MOI are scum, then they have already won this game. They are as town as the day is long.

What? No. Scum has never 'already won the game' until maybe lylo. Until then lots of stuff could happen.

Yeah this meshes quite nicely with my page 5 scumbuddies read.
Camn's quote was very scummy, but Thor only disagrees with it, instead of calling it scummy. Hmmhah.

If you guys are the last 2 scum you can just surrender now, it's cool.

[chesskid3]

OH HEY OMGUS COOL

[chesskid3]

If Thor is the play today, I am totally cool with that.

[chesskid3]

I really don't want to read 35 more pages. I will try to do some number per day, but this week SUCKS.

[chesskid3]

I like my first 5 pages reads. Sure maybe it's more gut than other cases, but that tends to be quite accurate, btw.

[chesskid3]

ya no objections

[chesskid3]

SoB operative/VT Due to my parents naming me Chuck Norris, I basically got forced into becoming a marine (apparently I'm stupid?), but really good at war. But not good enough to have any powers :/

Thor, go.

[chesskid3]

Those claims tends to make me less suspicious of MoI and ThAs.

@camm - I'm an idiot, so no, what do you see?

and more susp of you, sure

[chesskid3]

Your flavor sucked.

[chesskid3]

I'm also willing to just sheep Furry or camn, since they're both town.

[chesskid3]

oh lol I can't even read my own post.
sheeping CES or Furry. lulz.

[chesskid3]

Thor is scum
Camn is scum

When did camm become town good enough to sheep?

While we're at it compare what I claimed for flavor and what camm claimed for flavor and explain why mine is worse.

OH HEY LOOK SHE DID IT TOO THEREFORE IT'S OK?
Oh hey you're scum yup.

[chesskid3]

you know that thing you do were you irrationally tunnel on town while accusing other people of doing the same thing?

Yeah, you're doing that right now. CES is town.

Combat Operative, btw.
Though you should have been able to figure that out from marine.

[chesskid3]

Because calling 2 people town and 2 people scum is left and right?
Also, Slaxx replaces out of games he isn't scum in - I would know, I was in that game. However, the fact that you add that charming piece of utter bullshit to a list also comprised of utter bullshit doesn't look good.
After Thor/Camn go, if the game isn't over, I'll be taking a look at you.

[chesskid3]

I'm pretty happy with that assesment based on the first 5 pages. It's all in that post I had.

[chesskid3]

I think any crumbs/fakeclaims would be in a QT, no?

[chesskid3]

I DIDN'T CLAIM SHE WAS TOWN I THINK SHE'S SCUM GOSH.
I GOT MY READS CONFUSED LOLZ

[chesskid3]

Thor is scum
Camn is scum

When did camm become town good enough to sheep?

While we're at it compare what I claimed for flavor and what camm claimed for flavor and explain why mine is worse.

OH HEY LOOK SHE DID IT TOO THEREFORE IT'S OK?
Oh hey you're scum yup.

OH HEY LOOK, THE PERSON YOU CALLED SCUM BUT NOW SUDDENLY CLAIM IS TOWN WORTH SHEEPING DID IT THEREFORE I WANT TO KNOW WHY IT'S OKAY FOR HER AND NOT ME.
Oh hey, you're VI. Yup.

@Thor

– Since you seem interesting in clarifying reads I ask you the following –

Who are your top scum suspects?

You, camm, and Hacker. (no particular order there)

I was actually more suspicious of Slaxx/chess until you defended him - if you guys are buddies I don't think you'd bother, and if you're not buddies the VI meta awareness explains a lot of the jitteriness I'm getting from the slot. Also I'm a little nervous of AGM's slide onto chess because 3/4ths of the case he noted is all pretty derpy stuff that I would expect scum to lie about rather than admit as chess has done and seeing it typed out like that made me reassess my own chessscum read.

That's not me calling you scum for poitning out I mixed up my reads. that's me thinking you're scum for saying "hey look camn's flavor sucks too"

[chesskid3]

oh i see where you are coming from.

Hacker just is, man. I can read his ISO for vibes if you want, but he's town.
Maybe you are town, but at least one of you and camn is scum sooooo

[chesskid3]

because my scumreads aren't going to be 0/2

[chesskid3]

I'll go justify my scumread on Camn tomorrow.

Thor is scum because of his bullshit dana wagon vote

[chesskid3]

Well I went and looked and it wasn't there.

[chesskid3]

SOMEHOW.
WHATEVER IT WAS IS IN THE FIRST 5 PAGES THOUGH

[chesskid3]

Because it was reallllllllllllllllly bullshit.
Camn was a stronger read, iirc. Almost certainly willing to go for camn over thor, pending rereading the first 5-10 pages

[chesskid3]

BECUASE I REMEMBER IT WAS PRETTY COOL.
I JUST DONT REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS

[chesskid3]

Oh camn replaced NC

[chesskid3]

NC post #46 "wouldn't it be funny if he was

actually

scum?" UGH. IGMEOY. Slip or horrible wording?


Post #91 from Nero Cain sucks too. This guy is probably scum.

[chesskid3]

K i'll sheep Furry then. AGM, you aren't going to be happy with my case no matter what, methinks

[chesskid3]

of course CES is town

[chesskid3]

it's not lylo,s o I can vote, right?

[chesskid3]

Vote: Camn

k.
I'll give some content sometime Monday. Been Busy with my gf recently, she leaves tomorrow morning.

[chesskid3]

why are the scum not voting for me or even talking about it, but the people who I can see are obviously town are?
why am I in the twilight zone?

[chesskid3]

I've seriously got no problem being lynched, as long as you people don't screw up.
Camn needs to go
HH probably needs to go
Thor needs to go
if it's not over idk who else needs to go. But it should be over at that point.

[chesskid3]

I can go along with an HH lynch :/
No, it didn't happen. Probably not going to happen either, tbh

[chesskid3]

Unvote

Vote: HH

[chesskid3]

NO.
Furry is town
don't vig Furry.

Vig Camn or Thor. Jesus.

[chesskid3]

For vig target? Chesskid. Maybe Thor?

distance distance distance

[chesskid3]

Cases are scummy bro

[chesskid3]

I'm raelly good at annoying MoI lol

[chesskid3]

Hacker?

uh CES was obvtown dude not hacker

[chesskid3]

Hmm. Oops?
Idk either I forgot about townread on hacker or I meant CES up there.
IDK.
Well, there goes my chances of not getting misslynched, eh?
Vig me tonight?

[chesskid3]

K well then I guess I had a townread on Hacker at some point.

*sits in the corner*

[chesskid3]

do scum have daytalk?

[chesskid3]

Also pre-end of day
if one of us flips town
what does that do for your read of the other

[chesskid3]

oooooooh you got told

[chesskid3]

I'm ok with being lynched if you promise to lynch camn tomorrow.

[chesskid3]

A vig who claimed in thread he wasn't shooting that night?

[chesskid3]

Meeeeeeeeeeh

[chesskid3]

Uh MoI Almaster or Thor

[chesskid3]

i.e. anyone who is not Furry CES or me.
because you two are town

[chesskid3]

Hmm this would probably be the point where I would hammer myself and give up if I were scum.

[chesskid3]

the part where there's no hammer

[chesskid3]

selfhammer*

[chesskid3]

in a 1 v 6 like this, I probably would. No guarantees.
But it's a moot point.

[chesskid3]

first 5 page reads ftw.

[chesskid3]

I will join the almaster one, though.

Vote: Almaster

[chesskid3]

Vote: Furry

, still my top suspect. I'll be more active when I get back to civilisation (i.e. Sunday or Monday).

goddamnit what the hell is this

[chesskid3]

also, did i misunderstand or was Almaster's defense that he has been tunneling on this slot for the last 3 days?

[chesskid3]

so then when I flip town AGM answers for tunnelling on a town slot for most of the game, right?

[chesskid3]

hmm except according to self-proclaimed him, he was after slaxxx as well?
who from a quick ISO was on a bunch of scum lynches?

[chesskid3]

proddodge

[chesskid3]

sup?

[chesskid3]

I'm cool with Thor camn MoI or Almaster lynches. >_<

[chesskid3]

26?

[chesskid3]

They're scummy, and not obvtown?
Idk apparently most people agree that you are town
so then lynching thor/moi/almaster is a guaranteed win
shrug

[chesskid3]

provided uh everyone isn't wrong about you I guess

[chesskid3]

so that you only get 2 chances instead of 3 to lynch the 3 people the last scum(s) might lie in?
Huh?

[chesskid3]

My eyes

[chesskid3]

rudeness is town actually, but ok.

[chesskid3]

You,Furry,MoI has either 0 or 1 scum in it depending on if MoI is scum :/

[chesskid3]

And whether Furry is scum. How many expected scum is a whole 'nother story of course (I've got it at about ~0.5).

Furry isn't scum.

[chesskid3]

can I answer that?
Thor
Then MoI
Then it's over.

[chesskid3]

almaster
thor
MoI
is a win.
CES is townnnnnn

[chesskid3]

btw Furry you die tonight so I'd suggest making final reads and stuff pre-hammer

[chesskid3]

actually camn might die too.
Shrug
MoI town would also make me suspect thor more...leaving MoI alive instead of nking him N1 as a challenge.

[chesskid3]

iirc Thor is one of the players on MoI's revenge list for killing him N1 in the past
wouldn't surprise me if he were unwilling to do it againb ecause he felt bad?

[chesskid3]

hmm
how about
we lynch thor
and then me if he's really not scum. (I should start trusting my gut more, and it said camn/thor). Camn is apparently obvtown but w/e, thor is scum then, i dind't go 0/2.

[chesskid3]

Unvote

Vote: Thor

CES vote is wasted >_<
pick one of me or thor if you aren't going to put it on Almaster

[chesskid3]

Furry should give reads pre-hammer
because blam blam blam i'm killing her tonight

[chesskid3]

@AGM - sorta same question, you called me town with MoI and Chess as scumbags - and then when ChessScum was like 'hey, let's lynch Thor' you voted right away. Whassup?

Because it's me versus you and I know I'm town, so I'm going to vote you. Even though I would vastly prefer a chesskid lynch.

Besides, if you look at the full context of me calling you town, I didn't say, "I have a towntell on Thor," I said, "I think MoI and chesskid are scum so Thor isn't by PoE." Buuuuut chesskid lynch isn't happening so I never get access to that juicy data.

I'll tell you anyway
I flip town.
Go analyze now

[chesskid3]

Nikanor(town), Thor, DanielofManyNumbers(town), SquareOb(scum), LMP(town), ApCakes(town), Furry(town), Bowser(WHO THE HELL IS THIS GUY)

Bowser was an Untrod Tripod-CSL hydra. CSL left the hydra, so UT started posting under his own account.

FoS: Thor
this was a dana wagon
Thor's slot is a nice scum slot
there's my case

[chesskid3]

FURRY IS TOWNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

[chesskid3]

oh burnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

[chesskid3]

If thor flips town
I contest it

[chesskid3]

Nikanor(town), Thor, DanielofManyNumbers(town), SquareOb(scum), LMP(town), ApCakes(town), Furry(town), Bowser(WHO THE HELL IS THIS GUY)

Bowser was an Untrod Tripod-CSL hydra. CSL left the hydra, so UT started posting under his own account.

FoS: Thor
this was a dana wagon
Thor's slot is a nice scum slot
there's my case

oh i knew that sorry
I just control copied from my earlier post
sorry for the confusion

[chesskid3]

game probalby ends when thor dies so

[chesskid3]

town duh?

[chesskid3]

no, town wins.

[chesskid3]

if lynching thor were a scum win
the only way this is possible
is if all 3 people voting him are scum
which would make you scum
so I seriously don't get why the fuck you think this is a possibility, unless you just CLAIMED SCUM

[chesskid3]

HOW COULD ANY LYNCH TODAY RESULT IN A SCUM VICTORY

[chesskid3]

YOU'RE WEIRD

[chesskid3]

fuctionally no different from thor/chess/agm
which is the current order, and I'd like to not get misslynched soooooo

[chesskid3]

Thor putting a vote on someone he thinks is town.
scumclaim.

[chesskid3]

town mentality: ohsnap i'm going to get misslynched. best give my reads, vote for my topscumread,hope for the best.

Not woo lets lynch a townread of mine so i can get misslynched tomorrow instead.

[chesskid3]

but once i'm lynched
and i flip town
guess who gets lynched tomorrow
and all you accomplished was you lynched a townread

[chesskid3]

whether it's today or tomorrow
you're getting lynched

[chesskid3]

dude
I will open tomorrow with a self vote if thor is town

[chesskid3]

hmmm my reputation is on the line here

[chesskid3]

so
do i self vote now
or do I wait until we've determined it's not lylo first?

[chesskid3]

well because I agreed to be lynched if thor was town
and he was town
so

[chesskid3]

wouldn't have done any good
would have been mylo today then (if one scum) or game over if 2.
either way it doesn't help

[chesskid3]

well because I agreed to be lynched if thor was town
and he was town
so

So you are telling me that you are a player with a Town role Pm. And that the only thing preventing you from self-voting is the threat of LYLO?

We have at best two lynches to eliminate scum. If you are Town agreeing to be lynched wastes one of those.

Seems like I’ve seen that play from you before somewhere … oh that’s right here it is –

well I went all defeatist and volunteered to be lynched and shit
that shit ALWAYS WORKS
bwahahaha

Any thoughts to share regarding this post?

It does always work. (Who was getting lynched yesterday, and then pulled that out?) Doesn't mean I'm always scum when I do it.

[chesskid3]

can't self hammer
it's against my wincon
sorry

[chesskid3]

k

[chesskid3]

lol sup scum

[chesskid3]

ha
ha
fucking
ha

[chesskid3]

probably should read more than the first 5 pages hmm