Mortal Kombat Mafia (Game Over: Mafia Win)

[Oversoul]

K THIS IS WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN

WERE GONNA TALK AND SHOOT THE SHIT TODAY FOR A FEW PAGES SO WE HAVE SOMETIHN TO ARGUE ABOUT

THEN I'M FIGHTINHG COOLDOG TO THE DEATH TO SHOW MUDI THE WAY OF RAGE IN HAND TO HAND COMBAT.

THEN TOMORROW WELL SHOOT THE SHIT AND THEN LUDI WILL DUEL MASTIN.

THERE ARE NO EXCEPTIONS TO THIS, IT WAS WIRTTEN IN STONE AT THE DAWN OF TIME

VOTE: COOLDOG

HEHAHAHAAHAHAAAA

Agreed. And I finally realize where your title is from
VOTE: CoolDog

[Oversoul]

Guys I am on partial V/LA so don't expect much content until I get to a co
computer.

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Toog, this is slightly important. Don't answer it if you don't think it is appropriate. What is your "affiliation". I'm not asking for abilities, just a name claim.

SECRET READS;

MOD CONFIRMED SCUM: MASTIN

HHAAHHEHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

THE DEATH OF MASTIN HAS ARRIVED BY MY HAND

FOS: EVERYONE NOT VOTING MASTIN

VOTE MASTIN

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clarify this.

Listen up, We don't lynch millers because they claim miller, we lynch them if they act scummy.

Dueling them off for no apparent reason is eating cake with-no-icing stupid.

Preview: Yes, sanity.

Not true. A good cake does not need icing. Just needed to point that out.

EXCELLENT

At this point in my reading I realize that lud is avidly pushing for palisade lynch without contributing to the case at all.

Guys, We have to do this one person at a time.

Fonz, we have in this game mastin who

a. Is mastin
b. has acted scummy and anti-town

Have you read him? WE NEED to put him into the pit now.

explain. Why is it specifically mastin's actions over red head's.

THE HEAD OF MASTIN, SHALL COME OFF BY MY HAND

Vote : Ludi

This is a good point to show how obsessed lud is with killing mastin. Really obsessed.

@mod, would a lyncher be considered a form of survivor?

A lyncher would not be considered a form of survivor. This was stated with no guarantee that there is or isn't a lyncher or a lynchee in this game.

You make no sense Ghostwriter. Being chosen to fight for glory doesn't automatically make you, the outside ring cheerer, have a better read on them, or increase odds of anything.

You must know, now, who you plan on winning the combat, who you plan on voting for eternal glory, and who must die.

You do realize that we can all just vote for mastin when he gets in the rink. It doesn't matter who is fighting. Why does it specifically have to be you?

Conclusion,

vote: ludi

Ludi HATES Mastin. There is no lyncher mechanic between these two, just pure anger towards one another. You looking to make this into something that it isn't, is suspicious.

Either way, I want to see a Ludi vs Mastin.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Ludi

[Oversoul]

You do realize half the votes on Ludi are because:
1. They want Ludi to rape Mastin
2. Just because Ludi asks
3. They think Ludi is town and wants a scum v town
4. They think Ludi has a PR

Exactly. Why would CoolDog need to give a bogus reason to vote Ludi?

[Oversoul]

K THIS IS WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN

WERE GONNA TALK AND SHOOT THE SHIT TODAY FOR A FEW PAGES SO WE HAVE SOMETIHN TO ARGUE ABOUT

THEN I'M FIGHTINHG COOLDOG TO THE DEATH TO SHOW MUDI THE WAY OF RAGE IN HAND TO HAND COMBAT.

THEN TOMORROW WELL SHOOT THE SHIT AND THEN LUDI WILL DUEL MASTIN.

THERE ARE NO EXCEPTIONS TO THIS, IT WAS WIRTTEN IN STONE AT THE DAWN OF TIME

VOTE: COOLDOG

HEHAHAHAAHAHAAAA

Agreed. And I finally realize where your title is from
VOTE: CoolDog

Bogre, I already stated that I would vote for Ludi/Mastin to go into the pit. I was not wagon jumping.

The only reason I didn't vote for Palisade was that I was on V/LA and had very little reception with my iPhone.

Weyoun, people find Palisade scummy, is that not enough scumhunting by placing a person who people find scummy into the pit?

Is Pine a hydra of Almond and Redhead? Some of their reads in that partial wall seem forced. They are using the same (weak) reasons that people are scum and there is no way that there are 7 scum in this game.

[Oversoul]

I would be willing to throw any of the following into the pit against Palisade-town before I'd throw Ludi in:

ABR
Ghostwriter
The Fonz
Amrun
xRECKONERx
Kise

If anyone feels like starting a wagon on someone from this list, I'm with you.

Based off Palisade's reads, Amrun is most likely to be scum. I don't really see what they see in most of their scumpicks, but like Kiwi said, he does have a point with Amrun. Although, I would rather watch the fireworks between Ludi and Palisade. :p

[Oversoul]

why didnt you say that BEFORE he voted you?


also oversoul are you toasty's alt?

I'm not an alt.

[Oversoul]

why didnt you say that BEFORE he voted you?


also oversoul are you toasty's alt?

I'm not an alt.

Me and Toasty are in a game together. That would be breaking sitewide rules.

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We aren't allowed to give the name of our passing/voting ability? I assume they are all different since mine is pretty specific to my character.

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ebwop: passive

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VOTE: weyoun

RecK, how do you know if there are 2 scum factions? There was only one night kill.

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Reck yesterday: You're wrong about Amrun
Reck today: AMRUN IS SCUM

lol

VOTE: WLC

oh hey more scum comin' out da woodwerkz

VOTE: weyoun

RecK, how do you know if there are 2 scum factions? There was only one night kill.

because CD isn't just a cop, he specifically finds one TYPE of scum, meaning there's another type out there too

I haven't played in a game with two mafia factions, but I am playing in one where there is a mafia and a cult. Do you think there could be a cult in this one? Or would CD know he is a mafia cop?

Going back to reread the specific rules.

[Oversoul]

VOTE: Amrun

Mod, does the stage matter? Or is it just for flavor purposes?

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Where was your claim? I can't find it and I looked at your two wall posts.

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What's the difference between a kill and inhale action? Or do you assume it was a commute?

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Amrun is a girl.

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choose: WLC

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And that is a lynch.

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Kiwieagle is bad at reading comprehension.

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The fact that we have a Earthrealm invader cop & miller, plus a claimed black dragon cop, means we've got two scum factions hanging about.

Vote: SnakePlissken

Total tinfoil here, but I recently read a clever tactic that some mafia used to use, which was assigning a hr code to a predetermined QT target for your scumbuddies to figure out.

What other use of an hr code is there in am actual mafia game?

[Oversoul]

I have 100% accurate information that Ghostrider killed Fate...

Fate might not be dead, if we are going to go by the deadlist and ? list.

[Oversoul]

VOTE: GhostWriter

Why didnt you claim yesterday?

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Raiden is such a cool character. ^_*

[Oversoul]

Happy birthday.

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We're done here.

Vote: Palisade

Incoming 11 vote hit combo and exactly zero words from Ghostwriter.

He is V/LA I believe or he has site flaked.

Other than that, what the frag is up with him and content?

VOTE: Palisade

[Oversoul]

Choose: GhostWriter

[Oversoul]

Nice play, ABR.

Also, I think that person who eats people's head is that slutty women with a veil over her face. She has a lot of teeth that look like a monster and a couple of her fatalities involve eating people.

[Oversoul]

WOOPDEFUCKINGWOOP ASSBUTTS

TIMEATER IN THE HOUSE

FUCK HYDRAS THEY R DUMB

NICE JOB PROTECTING ABR TOWN

SHUT UP OVERSOUL YOU SICKEN ME

VOTE: TOOGELOO

WHATEVER THAT IS ABOUT, LOL

There wasn't any need to protect ABR because he was essentially 1-shot. Given that he was not protected, I think it is safe to assume we only have one protecting role and that should stay on CoolDog who doesn't have any limit.

I can't tell from the Shao Khan flip, but does that mean one scum team is down 2 members or both are down 1? I'm not really familiar with the flavor too well.

pedit: He had two actions happen to him? :O

[Oversoul]

-____- brainfart. I forgot that Ermac flipped Doctor with Miller condition.

Darox, no one told me that ahead of time, but it is likely that ABR was told so which is why he didn't plead for anyone to protect him instead of CoolDog.

[Oversoul]

-____- brainfart. I forgot that Ermac flipped Doctor with Miller condition.

Darox, no one told me that ahead of time, but it is likely that ABR was told so which is why he didn't plead for anyone to protect him instead of CoolDog.

Totally didn't read this whole exchange.

Unvote, Vote: Oversoul

Pleading for doc protection is wrong. ABR knows this. Thus, ABR would not plead for doc protection regardless of whether or not his role was one-shot. This is doubly true with two claimed power roles to choose from.

Why is it wrong to plead for protection if you are a power role? Didn't CoolDog do it?

Bogre, I am not constructing arguments and I don't understand how you got that idea. My confusion is legitimate. The lynchings have been happening so fast that I forgot about the night 1 actions especially since there wasn't a lynch on that day. Don't you think I would remember if my faction killed a cop, or a doctor? That is pretty important and is bound to seep into the subconcious of scum.

Bogre, why don't you go after Nero? He has nice wagon hopping skills like I apparently do (your whole suspicion stems from the fact that I voted Palisades for a Mastin v Ludi show? Plenty of people did that).

Nero has literally voted or unvoted in ALL except for ONE of his posts. He looks like weak scum that is just trying to meld with the flow of the game.

VOTE: Nero Cain

TimeEater, what makes me obvscum? I never like it when people throw that word around especially when they look to be caps lock, energized and unpredictable posters. What use would it be to put Palisades into the ring if you think that I am obvscum and should thus be speed lynched?

(not really pertinent game flavor musing)

If Palisade's hunch is correct that the flavor in the kills is an indicator for the person who killed them, that means 5 different people have killed, or sent in kill actions. I seriously hope there is a Gunsmith/Psychologist equivalent in this game.

Bogre, what part of my posts are fabricated!?

[Oversoul]

omg..

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Bogre, why don't you go after Nero? He has nice wagon hopping skills like I apparently do (your whole suspicion stems from the fact that I voted Palisades for a Mastin v Ludi show? Plenty of people did that).

Incorrect- my suspicion stems from the fluffy banter you posted when you voted. Scum generally feel the need to make SOME sort of textual addition to their bandwagon votes, and yours felt like you were writing it in to fulfill that guilty mindset.

Read Semi Open Sexy Sedilla to see why I wanted to see Mastin v Ludi.

[Oversoul]

K THIS IS WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN

WERE GONNA TALK AND SHOOT THE SHIT TODAY FOR A FEW PAGES SO WE HAVE SOMETIHN TO ARGUE ABOUT

THEN I'M FIGHTINHG COOLDOG TO THE DEATH TO SHOW MUDI THE WAY OF RAGE IN HAND TO HAND COMBAT.

THEN TOMORROW WELL SHOOT THE SHIT AND THEN LUDI WILL DUEL MASTIN.

THERE ARE NO EXCEPTIONS TO THIS, IT WAS WIRTTEN IN STONE AT THE DAWN OF TIME

VOTE: COOLDOG

HEHAHAHAAHAHAAAA

Agreed. And I finally realize where your title is from
VOTE: CoolDog

You mean this post? O_O I didn't even make a reference to CoolDog when I voted him. It would make sense if I voted Fate with that post.

[Oversoul]

Guys just vote oversoul now, and then get palisade.


@borg lolyeah ok. I find her scum.

2 things wrong with this post, Kiwi.

You call for people to vote me without voting me yourself, you give no reason for your suspicion of me, you have expressed no interest in me before this day and you are buddying with lolnonsensical Bogre.

fos: Kiwi

And I swear to god, if I die in the Living Forest I will kill myself because of irony.

pedit:

*sigh*

Quick choosing like this works... when... you know... we have a guilty on someone.

[Oversoul]

I still stand by my Nero vote. He hasn't done anything except for wagon hop.

Kiwi is also acting hypocritical with his last post and hasn't really done anything.

VOTE: Nero

[Oversoul]

I will support a Kiwi vs Oversoul fight since it looks like I am getting no support or commentary on my Nero vote.

unvote
Vote: Kiwi

Bogre, the only thing you will get out of a 'throw palisade in, lynch oversoul' is a short day in which little to no scumhunting occured, a mislynch, and 2 nightkills most likely.

[Oversoul]

I will support a Kiwi vs Oversoul fight since it looks like I am getting no support or commentary on my Nero vote.

unvote
Vote: Kiwi

Bogre, the only thing you will get out of a 'throw palisade in, lynch oversoul' is a short day in which little to no scumhunting occured, a mislynch, and 2 nightkills most likely.

Yep, that's what I said. ^.^

Except the scaremongering business about a mislynch and 2 nks.

Well you couldn't know about the mislynch unless you're scum (I think you are misguided town) and sticking your fingers in your ears about the 2 nightkills isn't going to make them go away.

[Oversoul]

Obviously.

Using the 'omg kill me and you get a mislynch and 2 nks!!!!' as scare tactics is not going to get you sympathy points, at least from me. In fact, scum might even crosskill.

What do you want from me lol? And I never said that the nightkills would be on towny players.

[Oversoul]

And I swear to god, if I die in the Living Forest I will kill myself because of irony.

Real life irony that I would prefer I didn't have to answer. It doesn't relate to the game or my character.

[Oversoul]

But if you are getting the wrong feelings about that post maybe some of the others did as well and that is why they voted me. :\

[Oversoul]

I'm not putting Palisade in the ring, because I'm not taking the chance that you idiots decide to save Oversoul. I will support pretty much any other wagon for the second person.

WHY DOES EVERYONE WANT MY BLOOD TODAY?

[Oversoul]

VOTE COUNT FOR KOMBATANT

Day 4 Vote Count (#1)

Palisade (2) - Internet Stranger, CooLDoG
Oversoul (2) - Timeater, Amrun
Toogeloo (2) - Darox, Palisade
Bogre (1) - zMuffinMan
The Fonz (1) - Mastermind of Sin

Not voting (10) - NanookTheWolf, T-Bone, springlullaby, The Fonz, kiwieagle, Bogre, Toogeloo, Magister Ludi, Nero Cain, Oversoul

Toogeloo is V/LA until August 29th.

Deadline is Wednesday, September 7th at 11:00 PM EDT. With 18 alive, it takes 10 to select a Kombatant!

Day 4's stage is: Living Forest!

I am going to try and gambit to save my life...

Wish me luck?

[Oversoul]

omg.

[Oversoul]

FUCK. That was public?

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I was going to gambit as a Vanilla townie to hopefully absorb a nightkill away from a power role or something. I meant to PM that to DH, but didn't realize I hit quote instead of PM.

Now that the cat is out of the bag I am Kurtis Stryker. A NYC police officer that was chosen to fight for Earthrealm. My vote power is Grenade Toss.

I was going to gambit by saying that I was Masons with Toogelo (who is another military/police esque Earthrealm character) and Jax's flavor female counterpart in an effort to absorb the nightkills as vanilla townies and a couple of other things. As usual though, I fuck things up.

My thought process was that if Tooge is a townie and on V/LA a nightkill on either him or me, hopefully both, wouldn't be that bad for town seeing as we have no powers. In addition, if Tooge IS town, it would prevent a mislynch in the future. If Tooge is scum (would make sense that DH gave the scum fakeclaims that would correspond to their original's alignment, at least for Earthrealm. I don't know about Shadow Dragons), it might prompt the other scum faction to shoot at him and potentially hit scum. If Tooge is scum, his partners would have to react accordingly by voting me or something. I wanted to see what I could do with a V/LA person, the town's ability to not talk, and a lurker as my opponent.

This all absolutely looks scummy and I hold no ill will to those who choose to not believe me. However, I will say that my wagon occurred out of thin air and that is suspect in itself. I'll just let the leaves and roots digest me for nourishment in the Living Forest.

I just want to undo the last 30 minutes of my Internet time.

[Oversoul]

Oh my God, lol, scumslip extraordinaire. Gorgeous.

VOTE: Palisade


p-edit: If that's true, sucks for you, but you die today.

Not a scumslip, but no one is going to believe it otherwise.

And Palisade hasn't killed everyone. The Cat in the Hat (Amrun) killed GhostWriter yesterday.

[Oversoul]

You know oversole, I want to think you are a good guy and all that. But shouldn't you have at least read my claim? If I am not mistaken I am jax's counterpart (I have only played mk 1-3 though). Also, how can you talk? I can't talk and I'm a fucking cop.

I could have swung that you didn't want to out yourself or the masons as that would most assuredly make us night targets. Plus, Ermac having the miller quality sets precedence for two types of roles being merged. Plus, there is precedence in other games for a mason to have an extra power so it isn't that far fetched.

The stars aligned themselves perfectly and I fumbled the ball.

DH, can I write my own death flavor? Oh and, I highly doubt how many people a person has killed (as a result of being in a match with them) is a mechanic in this game.

I sometimes bounce ideas off mods because they are legally the only person I can talk to about the game, lol. They don't make for good conversations and aren't allowed to respond really, but they are nice enough to listen.

I didn't realize that CoolDog was Sonya or that Jax's counterpart was Sonya, I don't think of the game in flavor like that. I think of it as... this person is cop, that person is vt, etc.

[Oversoul]

ebwop: that second plus is meant to be 'Also'

not that it matters.

[Oversoul]

I meant to send him the "I think I am going to gambit... Wish me luck?" post but I was retarded. I only sent him the gambit after I fucked myself with a dirty rake.

[Oversoul]

But why would you send him that?

Are you close pals?

Do you share women and wine?

Do you have meta proof of your friendship?

Because I needed to tell SOMEONE. It was killing me. I had been ostracized by the town and I needed to get it out of my system.

No.

No.

No.

If you are implying that I was conversing with the mod about the game, as in he was coaching me, you are very wrong. DemonHybrid would never do that and I would never purposely put him in a position such as that. He has been a fair mod so far and he will be for the rest of the game. He has done nothing wrong.

[Oversoul]

You guys are gonna be so pissed when I flip town.

*puts on retarded cap* :p

[Oversoul]

Jax, Vanilla Kombatant.
Ground Pound is my voting ability.
I am considered an Earthrealm Warrior.

This is why I will not vote for toogy. He happened to guess my alignment. I am an earth realm warrior. No town has flipped with that alignment yet. I copped him and he is not black dragon, thus he in my opinion is town. Don't waste your vote. And yeah, I know, I could be scum trying to bullshit the fuck out of you guys because I am part of his faction.

However, I can prove that I am in fact town (if you guys need further proof. I'm just doing this so I can run through alll the factions that we know about.).

Reck's flip: Town Earthrealm Invader Cop.
Miller's flip: Town Earthrealm Invader Miller. He shows up guilty to reck's investigation.

So, the town cop hunts for people other then me.
I would be willing to hazered a guess that reck was part of a black dragon town aligned faction (I can hear people in the dead thread talking about it right now). The cops apparently hunt for their opposites.

end stupid, poorly worded, convoluted, speculation.

WHAT THE FUCK NONSENSE? O_O

It would make sense for all Earthrealm scum to claim an Earthrealm role seeing as Reck cannot validate whether or not they are telling the truth. Tooge claimed AFTER you claimed. From his role and a loose basing off the Mortal Kombat Wiki (where, when I looked up my role, guess what the flavor was?) it would be easy to appear as Earthrealm. Jax and Sonya were partners and if you are town, it would be logical to guess that Jax is town too which is probably what Tooge is hoping for.

Being half cleared still allows for scum to exist.

[Oversoul]

I AM KURTIS STRYKER.

I was gonna gambit with Toogeloo to try and absorb the nightkills but I botched it up.

[Oversoul]

Still not sold on Lullabye town. just b/c BL flipped town=//= Lullabye as town. Especially when

scumT-Bone

says

So my question, does BL's flip strengthen, or weaken Spring's claim?

So why is T-Bone scum?

Vote: Snake

Coming in, and not reading the thread, only to contribute to the two vote hammer on Amrun yesterday that the majority of us specifically asked NOT to happen, killing all discussion we had going on.

This is absolutly idiotic. You're getting pissed off at Snake for killing disscussion when it was Muffin ,

NOT SNAKE

, that hammered. Just WHAT. THE. FUCK?!?

This other horrible scummy part is that Darox voted Snake and then you voted him wich begs the question why did you wait until someone voted him? I mean if you had a super duper scummy read on him why wasn't he your vote in the first post?

So I'm pretty cofident that T-Bone is scum and there are some otherscum in Muffin, MOS and Spring.

Though Oversoul is trying way to hard to get out of her lynch and she's the obvious lynch for today so it doesn't matter who else is in the ring.

vote:Paliside

Explain the bold parts please. I think that was a scumslip.

I WANT TO BE IN THE RING WITH THIS KID.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Nero

[Oversoul]

Posting this because I am going to be V/LA until Tuesday. I would prefer to not fight against Palisade as he is one of the only people who believes that I am town.

I would be fine with any of the following people:
Nero Cain
Kiwieagle
T-Bone

or anyone else that you find scummy.

I know that you all hate scaremongering or AtE, but really, it is all I have at this point. If you send in Palisade against me and just speed lynch me instead of actually trying to use the unique mechanic of this game, you are just shooting yourself in the foot.

[Oversoul]

Choose: Oversoul

Everyone choosing Palisade is either scum or stupid.

Warning number 1.

And no they aren't, everyone has been complaining about Palisade's scumminess. The only reason he was left alive for so long was due to accurate cop results on actual scum.

I am not confirmed scum, I just fucked up and everyone is jumping onto that being a scumtell. That said, I do appreciate the people voting Palisade.

[Oversoul]

To prove whether or not getting kills is actually part of this game, Palisade, when you are at L-1 submit

Hara-Kiri

That is the self fatality found in all games. I am almost positive that getting kills is not important and DH did it just for a different mechanic.

[Oversoul]

LOL.

I of course am V/LA when it is absolutely worst for me. Either way, I find that Palisade is more towny than I am. He has done the single most this ga

[Oversoul]

this game and everyone wants to fucking lynch him. I find that very scummy. if you must roleblock his ass to infinity, but he isn't going to be the one's submitting the kills if he is scum. notice how he isn't dieing FROM EITHER FUCKING FACTION because they know he isn't apart of their faction and they are choosing to use him as a mislynch. Open you eyes.

Hara-Kiri

I said it would be irony and it will be. My bones will become one with the forest, my blood will provide nutrients to the suckling plants. The forest will have nourishment and my body will be that supplement.

PALISADE DO ME GOOD AND FUCK SCUM.

[Oversoul]

SEE KILLS DON'T MEAN SHIT IN THIS GAME. I WOULD HAVE SUICIDED IF HARA-KIRI MEANT ANYTHING

PUT LEGITIAMTELY SCUMMY PEOPLE IN THE FUCKING RING NEXT TIME GUISE

[Oversoul]

I swear to god if he turns up as town

[Oversoul]

t-bone was a bit aggresive towards snake

Are you admitting to T-Bone's death?

Why the fuck are you still alive.

VOTE: Kiwi

[Oversoul]

T Bone was probably a vig shot, derp.

Why would ABR be burned alive too?

[Oversoul]

Oh, never mind. One of the millers was killed by the burning kill flavor. That makes more sense as a vig shot.

[Oversoul]

T Bone was probably a vig shot, derp.

Why would ABR be burned alive too?

That's a really good point.


Hhhhhhhhhhhmmm.

Nah, I think you were right. I can't wait for the protective roles to claim at the end of the day. Knowing this though, the mafia probably have their own doctors, though.

[Oversoul]

ABR was killed by a Shuriken Shower AND a Heart Rip. That sounds like Reiko and Kano by my research, and I think that is one from each side (Earthrealm Invader and Black Dragon). Burned to death sounds like Scorpion, so I imagine that is Vig since I don't think Scorp falls in either category. Head Devoured is either Mileena or Reptile; I think Reptile makes more sense, since isn't Mileena allied with Kitana (thus making her a town member)?


I missed most of the Day yesterday, but I did read through Oversoul's "gambit."

Why in the hell would you try to claim Masons with a claimed Vanilla, Oversoul? Even if you managed to get that worked out perfectly, you can't honestly expect anyone to have bought it, right? With me leaving for Yellowstone for a week just after my claim, I'm pretty sure I would have claimed Mason and may or may not have named my partner, just to ensure I wouldn't have had to worry about it while I was gone, not Vanilla.

No... Mileena is definitely the person doing the head devouring. In fact, I would go so far as to say that Mileena was a lyncher to Kitana. In all of your research, I don't understand how you missed that painfully obvious fact. Mileena is a clone of Kitana fused with this species of maneating monster. Both of them served as princess daughters under Shao Kahn, but Mileena has a burning rage against Kitana because of the maneating species blood that is in her system.

I thought the same about Scorpion being the person who burns people alive, but I am not sure.

Why wouldn't I try to divert the nightkills onto Vanilla Townies? That way we wouldn't have lost anymore power roles, which are rapidly declining.

Kiwi, will you actually, you know, scumhunt or play? You are doing a bad job of faking it.

I also don't like the fact that the scum can actually scumhunt which makes them look like townies. Meh.

[Oversoul]

What logic are you confused about? Trying to divert the nightkills away from power roles and onto vanillas?

Oh lawd, usoclever , kiwi

[Oversoul]

Leaving people to read between the lines is not a pro town move especially when you are voting them for misinterpreting the "implied meaning".

[Oversoul]

Demon, I will be on V/LA until Monday. thank you.

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Nero, are you literally going to tunnel me to oblivion. I honestly don't know what to say other than what has already been said about my fail gambit that landed me in the ring yesterday. Every possible response, answer, or reasoning that I can give for my actions only make me look scummier, which is what I think you are hoping for by your habitual voting pattern. You literally have not provided content until I fucked up yesterday and you have been prodding my lynch ever since.

I WANT NERO IN THE RING.

I will respond to the posts in full later, but I still want it to be clear that I dislike Nero's posts.

[Oversoul]

I WANT NERO IN THE RING.

VOTE. HIM. THEN.

Money/mouth.

Aren't I already voting him? Or am I still on Kiwi?

Ideally I would like Kiwi and Nero, but I have a bigger scum read on Nero. UNVOTE: VOTE: Nero

[Oversoul]

Vote: Internet Stranger

Yup. This feels right.

Let's lynch Ludi tomorrow anyway, cuz they're probably distancing.

Why not put them both into the pit together? It would make more sense as it would deprive them of their ability to distance. Your vote seems like the weakest reasoning ever to vote someone.

I haven't formed an opinion on Stranger yet... I do have a gut feeling Ludi is town. I know I was supposed to make a catchup post, but nothing really happened other than Nero Cain tunneling me and a wagon forming on Internet.

[Oversoul]

Nero, why are you suspicious of Darox, when you have literally never mentioned him other than calling out people for sheeping his vote?

VOTE: Nero die die die

[Oversoul]

Read the fucking thread.

GreyIce, you can go die in a hole.

Kthxbye

[Oversoul]

Vote: Oversoul

Works for me

You are such a poor excuse for a player, it's cute.

[Oversoul]

Read the fucking thread.

GreyIce, you can go die in a hole.

Kthxbye

Vote: Oversoul

Works for me

You are such a poor excuse for a player, it's cute.

so if you attack OVersoul all he does is insult you.


good to know.

Please don't comment on something that you have no knowledge of.

Prodding Oversoul.

HEYO. Sorry I haven't been active at all really and when I am active I have been a dick. I'm just not in the mood to play mafia, but I have over extended myself at probably the worst possible time in my life and now everything is catching up with me.

*waves @ Oversoul*

I see you postin' elsewhere on this site.

@Muffin/Fonz/Amrum-thoughts on MOS?

@MOS/Amrum-thoughts on CSL?

@Darox-explain town read on MOS.

@muffin-Can you explain something to me.

ISO 20-"Nah, Palisades is cool. Pretty sure he's not scum."

ISO 43-"You mean what I my thoughts on Oversoul? Town. Explanation? I think he's town."

ISO 44-"It was meaningless reaffirmation that I'd much rather an Oversoul lynch than a Palisade lynch, when given a choice between the two."

Of course I understand that we could only do one or the other but if you had a town read on both, what made you decide that a OS lynch would be better?

CSL is very much scum. Oversoul is very much scum as well. I'd like to put them in the ring.

The IS wagon is scummy as fuck.

Internet Stranger (5) - Magister Ludi, zMuffinMan, Amrun, Mastermind of Sin, CSL

*waves back* I know I am posting elsewhere on the site. I do that quite often. I'm not avoiding this game because I am scum. I am avoiding this game because I don't want to have to deal with the work involved in it. The difference? Laziness.

I'd honestly be fine with going in the ring against CSL as I do find her actions to be nothing of value at all. She hasn't really done anything except for flipflop her votes and call me scummy.

Cop confirmed half-town, Amrun.

Did you miss the part where we thought there were two factions BUT WE WERE WRONG???

I must be missing something here, but when was it confirmed other than then the fact that scum are the same faction color, that there is a singular group?

Why would there be 2 kill flavors on ABR if there was only 1 scum faction? The even night fight theory supports two of the kills, but what about those two kills on an odd night? Do we have an oddnight vig or a serial killer on our hands? A serial killer is more likely if the the singular mafia color theory is correct.

Unvote; Vote: IS

The case on IS is way more convincing.

This is why you are scummy, CSL. You conveniently hop onto another wagon with very little reasoning.

I feel bad that the scum drew a CSL/Nero/Kiwi team, but hey, that's the RNG.

I'm kinda liking a Nero/IS/kiwi group atm.

I agree with the first and last of this potential team. I hope everyone can move on from the "put a townie in the ring with a scum" because I would rather force the scum to choose between which roles and players they would sacrifice and in what order. Adds a lot of insult to injury.

I'd rather do is/nero today.

This is ideal. I will vote IS if everyone agrees to vote Nero. I want Nero in the ring without a doubt.

Nero, I am too lazy find your questions towards me, can you restate them? If you pressure me enough I'll get to them, but if you want answers now...

I am really listless this game. such a drag.

[Oversoul]

this game and everyone wants to fucking lynch him. I find that very scummy. if you must roleblock his ass to infinity, but he isn't going to be the one's submitting the kills if he is scum. notice how he isn't dieing FROM EITHER FUCKING FACTION because they know he isn't apart of their faction and they are choosing to use him as a mislynch. Open you eyes.

Hara-Kiri

I said it would be irony and it will be. My bones will become one with the forest, my blood will provide nutrients to the suckling plants. The forest will have nourishment and my body will be that supplement.

PALISADE DO ME GOOD AND FUCK SCUM.

I had the same idea, Muffin. Stupidly I should have self hammered, but I felt like Palisade would have gotten mislynched later down the road regardless of my actions.

[Oversoul]

lol @ Oversoul posting in other games while ignoring this one.

There is nothing more to post about in this game from my perspective. I have given my feelings and everyone is pretty much dragging this game behind them. Your mudslinging is atrocious.

back to lurking

:troll:

[Oversoul]

Choose: Noise Cain

[Oversoul]

I am completely lost this game. I think that shows a crosskill though and proves Amrun wrong about her theory on the two scum teams. Pierced with Shurikens was on ABR's kill flavor unless we are dealing with a serial killer. *sigh*

[Oversoul]

Did you just claim PGO?

[Oversoul]

OK.

When you're done finding the real scum, tell me.

btw, what do you think the setup is? 2 scum teams? Or 1 scum team plus SK? Or 1 scum team plus multiple SKs? Or something else entirely?

I actually wouldn't throw out the idea of multiple Serial Killers. Obviously if there is a Serial Killer they are not compulsive, but for the time being I am hedging my bets on two scum teams.

I would still like a Nero lynch and honestly would not care going into the ring with him.

IS, that paragraph addressing Muffin was very... personal. O_o

Town reads so far:
Amrun
zMuffinMan
IS
GreyIce
Toogeloo

I didn't really like Timeater's play, but nacho made the slot look better. And I also don't like Kiwieagle's play. In fact, I am willing to bet that your benefactor, IS, is someone who has done very little scumhunting for themselves. if they truly believed you, they would simply vote for Ludi the next day and go with their own reads for a nightkill and the first person to come to mind is Kiwi with that regard.

Kiwi vs Nero is also a good idea

pedit:

Why Nachomamma town read when she voted for you and supported me?

[Oversoul]

scumslip

VOTE: The Fonz

Fonz vs Nero today

[Oversoul]

Trying to paint a dead player as scum due to VCA and then trying to play off that mistake is what is scummy.

And how is not paying attention a bit harsh? It is exactly what you are doing since you DON'T have to pay attention because you already know who is and isn't scum. The only thing that might save you is the fact that there are more than likely 2 scumteams and the scumteams would want to scumhunt in order to look town. However, I am probably wrong about the 2 scumteams and the kill on ABR/Ludi is probably a more panicy SK with Bunny and Tbone as even night vigilante.

[Oversoul]

...

I believe you, but I still find it suspect.

UNVOTE:

Going back to the classic Nero vote. VOTE: Nero

Nero, that wasn't a rolefish by any means.

pedit:

Ok.

[Oversoul]

Why would scum kill a miller? That is an easy mislynch or two.

Why would a vigilante shoot ABR?

[Oversoul]

Fonz, I am rather dumb. You can't assume I know anything lol. Please explain. Is it because ABR is rather abrasive player or what? I see no protown reason why a vigilante would shoot someone who claimed an informative role, and got a scumbag lynched.

[Oversoul]

IS, Amrun is on sitewide V/LA for a week I think.

pedit:

I don't know the site standards so ya..

[Oversoul]

It was kinda obvious given your play today so...

kill someone good tonight

[Oversoul]

prodge

willing to put nero vs bogre, I think it is the only likely scenario due to the massive split b/w everyone

[Oversoul]

Nero, did you just imply that Muffin and I are scumbuddies because Muffin is supporting me? Many players have called me town, are they all my buddies? Feels like Sedilla all over again.

After Fonz's revelation I believe that he is town. Regardless, he is dieing tonight so it would be stupid to lynch him.

Not sure I like the Fujin claim. I don't remember him being a playable character in the older games...

Kiwi, what is your "alignment" Earthrealm or not Earthrealm?

[Oversoul]

I also agree with Toogeloo that we should focus on getting at least one Kombatant into the ring at a time.

We put Nero in first and then Darox? I'm not going to try and tell Fonz who to shoot because I have badluck with vigging. Would prefer out of IS/Muffin/Bogre, but I don't really care who he shoots.

[Oversoul]

Bogre, am I still scum?

And it isn't that strange when he considers Fonz to be the first SK.

[Oversoul]

Nero, is TV Mafia the only reason you think I am scum here? I lurked on purpose in that game to see how far I would get before people got suspicious. I only botched my claim and began posting once a) the town noticed I wasn't posting, and b) DMSIS was on the verge of a lynch. I wanted to give DMSIS another chance to use his rolecop ability.

I'm not lurking on purpose in this game. You are just annoying the shit out of me and making me not want to play this game.

I am okay with a Bogre vs Nero today and since it looks like Nero isn't going to get any more support today...

Just tell me who we need to put into the ring and I will.

Oh and if you guys want more of my scum meta go to Open 314: CSL Express

CSL Express and TV Mafia were literally the first time two times I have been Mafia. Of course I am going to lurk. I didn't know how to play the role. I have another scum meta game where I died, but it is still ongoing so [redacted], Muffinman should know though.

[Oversoul]

VOTE: Darox

[Oversoul]

Why the vote on Muffin? He obviously isn't going to get in and you are going to have a chance to say what you want about him in the ring.

[Oversoul]

Choose: Nero Cain

[Oversoul]

choose: lol

[Oversoul]

Who the fuck said Nacho was scum again?

[Oversoul]

Ya, Nero didn't really play hard to paint Darox as scum yesterday and instead tried to get a crosskill from a Vig/SK on Amrun. I want to vote Darox, but there is a lot of competition. I also like being conf town because of failNero. You should thank Nero for that, scums. ^_^

[Oversoul]

Meanwhile Oversoul was busy acting pants on head retarded, but apparently this is his usual MO?

Fonz, you might want to check Brightest Day and BlazBlue Continum Shift for recent Ludi gameplay. Both of which he was scum. From my experience with him, he only busses his teammates with a set plan.

[Oversoul]

EPWOP (wtf happened to my post.... it got cut)Yeah im pretty sure IS is SK.






>Im pretty sure The Fonz is town

> Darox is scum (if only Nero had posted during the 1v1.... I would of been more sure of this read)

> Greyice is scum

> Muffinman is town

> Oversoul is null

>Bogre is null

*facepalm*

[Oversoul]

You have me as null and the other miller as scum... You aren't reading this thread. Kiwi is a good shot imo.

VOTE: Bogre

[Oversoul]

I believe IS... unless that is Fate's role.

[Oversoul]

Choose: Bogre

[Oversoul]

Mercy
Choose: ISorry

[Oversoul]

I would have hammered IS a lot sooner if I had seen Muffin's claim. I am not sorry for that hammer lol.

GI, Tooge, Me, and Fonz are all "town" leaving Darox, Kiwi and Bogre. Choose the scummiest to lynch, Fonz kills the other and see where the pieces lie tomorrow in those 3 (as that would be 4 scum total right if one flipped scum?)

[Oversoul]

I am going to try and gambit to save my life...

Wish me luck?

I was going to gambit as a Vanilla townie to hopefully absorb a nightkill away from a power role or something. I meant to PM that to DH, but didn't realize I hit quote instead of PM.

Oversoul, please explain the discrepancy between 'Gambit to save my life' and 'Gambit to draw the NK' which are completely opposite motives.

When taken out of context they are...

What I originally meant when I failpmed DH was that, claiming Mason would save me from being lynched for that day, but being confirmed as town would make me a desirable target as scum want to eliminate the people who are closest to town looking so they can rely on their mislynches.

I don't understand why we are putting Fonz into the ring today... We can put Darox and Kiwi in the ring, kill one, have Fonz kill the other. If both of them are not scum, then we lynch Fonz the next day if he already isn't killed by the Mafia. O_o

GI is basically confirmed town because of Miller fail in the beginning (which given the mod meta in this game, I am willing to believe that there is one Odd Night SK and One Even Night vigilante). Toogeloo would be transparent as all hell if he was scum and I'm not getting any vibes from him. Fonz is Vigilante most likely and I know I am town.

[Oversoul]

I'll only kill the other if the first one flips town.

Oversoul, pay some fucking attention, will you? No-one is currently voting me. Darox is at L-1, GreyIce has one vote.

You also didn't mention Bogre. Am I to assume you think KE is scummier?

PE: IF we lynch scum today, me not shooting will give town lynches at 4-1 and 2-1. If I shoot and miss, we only get one lynch at 3-1. I tend to think two lynches is better than a lynch and a vig shot.

If we lynch town, OTOH, then me not shooting will require town unanimity to hit scum. That's not impossible, since there's kind of a subset of suspects and a subset that aren't, really. But it's not necessarily better than just having me shoot the most suspicious player.

I am paying attention. People were saying to put Fonz in there with the first choice. I was addressing those posts. Ass out of U and Me?

I actually had forgotten about Bogre, but I find him scummier than Kiwi and I would prefer his death instead of Kiwi's to be honest.

VOTE: Darox

[Oversoul]

Darox isn't even really trying like he was earlier day...

[Oversoul]

Vote: kiwi

Darox is dying today, so I don't think it matters who goes in, unless anyone has any objections.

I would like Fonz to kill the other person in the ring with Darox and then lynch the remaining person of Kiwi/Bogre tomorrow...

[Oversoul]

Choose: Darox

[Oversoul]

choose: Bogre

Fonz, why didn't you shoot last night? :\

[Oversoul]

Ya. Bogre is scum. He tunneled me just like Nero, Nero was probably following Bogre's lead.

GG Scum.

[Oversoul]

Ya Fonz is dumb for not shooting Kiwi/Bogre last night even though he said he was going to shoot someone. Right?

[Oversoul]

He said if we caught scum he was not gonna shoot

Really? I thought it was the opposite, but whatever.

Massclaim time? yay.

[Oversoul]

Someone is definitely claiming Fate's role :\ if only he crumbed it or something.

[Oversoul]

VOTE: Kiwi

Thinking it's one of Oversoul/kiwi.

Yup. Caught scum. Doesn't even address the fact that there is a wagon on him already and goes for the most major wagon. If he was actually interested in getting me into the ring he would have made a case (I am number one on his list). instead, he chooses to go after Kiwi.

Someone is definitely claiming Fate's role :\ if only he crumbed it or something.

We have 4 vt claims and a miller.

Explain this comment now.

The scum have a janitored kill that to my knowledge, I do not think anyone has claimed upon their deathbed. Bogre just came right out and said that and it just looked very opportunistic and forced.

Are you confused about the "role" part of my post? Well, "role" often includes the character you were given.... so...

Why wouldn't scum claim a janitored kill as their character? They know it is confirmed that they are in the game should any flavor problems arise.

@ Everyone, what is your voting flavor in your role PM? Bogre answers first, then Kiwi, then whoever wants to go.

[Oversoul]

Bogre, what stance is Sareena in, for your photo? Am I allowed to ask that question?

[Oversoul]

I'm just guessing.

[Oversoul]

VOTE: Kiwi

Thinking it's one of Oversoul/kiwi.

Yup. Caught scum. Doesn't even address the fact that there is a wagon on him already and goes for the most major wagon. If he was actually interested in getting me into the ring he would have made a case (I am number one on his list). instead, he chooses to go after Kiwi.

Someone is definitely claiming Fate's role :\ if only he crumbed it or something.

We have 4 vt claims and a miller.

Explain this comment now.

The scum have a janitored kill that to my knowledge, I do not think anyone has claimed upon their deathbed. Bogre just came right out and said that and it just looked very opportunistic and forced.

Are you confused about the "role" part of my post? Well, "role" often includes the character you were given.... so...

Why wouldn't scum claim a janitored kill as their character? They know it is confirmed that they are in the game should any flavor problems arise.

@ Everyone, what is your voting flavor in your role PM? Bogre answers first, then Kiwi, then whoever wants to go.

Yup. Caught scum. Doesn't even address the fact that there is a wagon on him already and goes for the most major wagon. If he was actually interested in getting me into the ring he would have made a case (I am number one on his list). instead, he chooses to go after Kiwi.

The scum have a janitored kill that to my knowledge, I do not think anyone has claimed upon their deathbed. Bogre just came right out and said that and it just looked very opportunistic and forced.

1. You being number 1 on my list is an incorrect assumption. Toog and Greyice are scum/null blobs for not really being present, and I believe the miller claim. I've been suspicious of kiwi for a much longer time than Toog/Grey, and you I never really can forgive for being horribly scummy in the early game. So thus, one of kiwi/you are scum.

2. What did I say that sounded opportunistic and forced?

Answer my bolded question and I will answer yours? Ok?

[Oversoul]

That is why we are killing Bogre.

[Oversoul]

choose: Kiwi

[Oversoul]

I'm kind of pissed off at the apathy here. Grey is the closest thing we have to confirmed town, and he hasn't even tried to help us. At least of of Kiwi and Bogre is town, and neither is really fighting for their life.

Same. If the scum can win this game by lurking, I am going to be pissed.

Here is my revelation...

The pictures in the role PMs and the flavor associated with role actions comes from the Mortal Kombat Wiki. Sareena is a peculiar role in that aspect as she really does not have any flavor. However, the picture is most likely true. I thought there would be a discrepancy for the janitor kill (do they do a full reveal with picture and the like or just that one line reveal on the first page?).

I don't know what to think at this point and I am going to rely on classic scumhunting instead of trying to out smart the mod who probably included fakeclaims with pictures and flavor.

[Oversoul]

What the fuck Bogre. >_> We could actually put someone in the damn chamber that has a chance of being scum.

It would be kinda overpowered to have a Ninja, Janitor, Strongman, and Godfather all on the same team.

[Oversoul]

Just giving this page a quick skim, I see a reference in 1950 that answers the above. Have we considered the possibility of a fourth party? A six-man scumteam with that kind of power, plus a SK, kind of favors anti-Town. A second Serial Killer, or two scumteams, would feature the kind of crosskilling we've seen so far and rebalance the game.

If your theory is correct, then we would be in LyLo. In my opinion, I feel like the last scum member is another gun, hence the reasoning for sending that person to kill everyone (other than the select kills like Strongman).

Bogre is basically confirmed to not be scum. In my opinion, the town list now looks like this

Town:
Oversoul
Bogre
GI
Toogeloo
Kiwieagle

I placed myself at the top since I know for a fact my alignment is town. I know this may make some of you nervous.

I am having a hard time believing that Kiwi is the final scum member, but with Bogre's revelation, if Kiwi were to go into the pit (well anyone really), they would be the lynch.

I read in the Dead QT of Brightest Day Mafia that Toogeloo fairs very poorly as mafia because he is so transparent. These are words from his own mouth. Does he really strike any of you as obvious scum?

[Oversoul]

Bogre, I will repeat it again, only this time it has a lot of merit, because you are not being killed today. Who do you want to see in the Ring against you?

Town:
Oversoul
Bogre
GI
Toogeloo
Kiwieagle

Silly list is silly. My list looks exactly the same only switch my name and yours . It should have gone without saying that in light of me pointing out Bogre and the remaining scum are not the same person that this list was going to be what it is. Today we lynch kiwi, tomorrow, if we are both still alive and the game isn't over, I guarantee it will be you and I facing each other in the ring and either Pine or Bogre will be the one that determines the outcome.

I personally don't think it will come to that though. I have wanted Kiwi dead since he started making shit up as he went along (cliff's noting my case that I made way back when in just a moment), and I think that I am right on this. And I do not think we are in LyLo. I think we have one scum left, and that's it.

and I really dont know how to defend myself from your "cases"

The problem is that since people hated you way back on Day whatever (at least 5 days ago), you have been an afterthought to zMuffin's crusade of his tracked targets or other scummy prospects.

Most of my case on you back at the time was that I felt you were making things up as you went along. You stated that Spring's miller claim was weakened after Bunny flipped, even though we had figured out by that point that there were two different cops. You tried to implicate snake after T-Bone's death (somewhat half heartedly). And once zMuffin took over and started his crusade against Darox, Nero, and IS, you tried to stay as far away from the game as possible, even putting your votes down on people that didn't matter. You haven't been right on anyone so far this game, and you have been lurking like absolute crazy. When you do come in to comment, it's usually "GreyIce is scum" repetition, and every other thought never seems to match from a previous thought. I don't think you have even voted for a single known scum all game.


Final comment... looking at the kills. Scum had a Odd Night Strong man. SK was Odd Night killer as well. Vig was Even Night. If you look at the Head Devour, it happened every even night as well. I am betting it's a scum PR that worked on Even Nights.

I don't see Kiwi as scum but I will vote for him anyway.

Choose: Kiwi

[Oversoul]

I've been voting them through choosing all day, Pine. Fucking read. If you are just going to attribute your laziness to my alignment, you can fucking leave.

[Oversoul]

I don't see him as scum, but he is just scum through PoE. I don't find anyone really scummy in this game and Kiwi.

[Oversoul]

I dont think Bogre is scum, and I know im town.



Scum is either Toogelo or GI.

This is probably not even lylo so we may still have a chance...

Scum
OS
Toog

Ya... Kiwi arouses suspicion of me as soon as there is suspicion of me. Extremely convenient.

[Oversoul]

Ya but he came into the day saying you and Toogeloo were scum despite saying yesterday he thought I was scum. Then when you start poking me, he goes and says that I am scum.

It doesn't make sense..

[Oversoul]

choose: Kiwi

[Oversoul]

Both of you cross vote immediately. I am going to look through your isos and try and determine who is scum. If you don't want to cross vote at least let me vet my opinions on the nightkill as this was extremely unexpected.

[Oversoul]

Toogeloo, I can say whatever I want. I am saying that it is extremely odd Bogre didn't die given his confirmed townie status. If I was scum I would have killed the confirmed townie.

But since that is sacrilege I will move on.

Toogeloo, your response that Pine died because he was voicing concern of me is extremely premeditated and I know why I was left alive for so long. Because of the WIFOM surronding my horrible play with the fake mason claim and the fail Mod PM.

This is the second time I have been in 3p LyLo and I will do what I did last time and iso the shit out of you, Toogeloo. Honestly, last night I had this listed as most likely scum.

GI > Bogre > Toogeloo

I really honestly do not think that Toogeloo is scum and given my play with him others would have already picked up on his scumminess and pushed for his lynch majorly. Your whole argument for Pine's death is WIFOM and likely to be a result of your premeditated murder to get me mislynched. Toogeloo, you are the combatant with me most likely.

VOTE: Oversoul

No more votes until I am absolutely sure on one of you. I am probably only going to Iso Togeloo and analyze his posts, but I will look at Bogre's post. Also, I wanted to voice my opinions completely because unlike some people I don't have anything to hide.

[Oversoul]

For all intents and purposes I am not discounting Bogre as scum as his iso has Ludi, Nero, and Darox in very odd places and it doesn't look right to me. After skimming the first part of the game, many people thought that Toogeloo was scummy, but after his claim and such they kinda forgot about him. I am going to look at that part of the game to see if I can rebuild the cases against him.

However, the last Mafia is probably that Girl that is Shao Kahn's daughter, Mileena or something or Reptile. Mileena has this devil mouth and eats people's faces in a fatality, but if Bogre were to be a Ninja it would make sense given the flavor on the Mortal Kombat wikia (which I will quote below).

Reptile is a green garbed, human-like reptilian creature that embodies the archetype of the unhappy underling. Reptile is said to be physically hideous and repulsive,

but he is renowned for his great stealth

, impressive fighting skills and

unquestioning loyalty

. Unlike many other henchmen of the lords he has served, Reptile does not strive for power. Rather, he is caught in a delusional state of mind, an obsession about finding the last remaining member of his race, the Saurians, or freeing his homeworld from Outworld's grasp. Thus, he always remains loyal to

Shao Kahn

, only obeying other masters to survive and reach his goal of returning Zaterra to its former glory.

While well-meaning and sincere, this obsession is so important to him that it causes him temporary fits of insanity.

Tasty Meal: Reptile takes off his mask, revealing a reptilian face. He then opens his mouth and stretches out his long tongue, sticking it to his victim's head, then quickly retracts it,

ripping off the head and eating it

. Reptile then rubs his blood covered stomach, giving a satisfied "Mmmm..." noise. (MKII, MK:SM, MK 2011)

Mileena is a clone of Kitana, created by Shang Tsung's sorcery in his flesh pits for Shao Kahn, using Tarkatan physiology. Vicious and evil, she despises Kitana, and feels that it is her own right to rule Edenia as Princess in her place.

Her fondest wish is to kill her "sister"

, and claim her existence for her own. Something of an opportunist,

she will make use of any chance to seize power that comes within her hands.

Leaping Neckbite: Mileena leaps onto her opponent's chest and begins

eating away their face

or neck. Also, if the opponent has a sai lodged in their neck before Mileena performs this move, she'll pull out the sai and stab them repeatedly. (MK 2011)

The kill flavor head devoured is particularly troublesome given that both of these characters are associated with eating the head. I have looked at their wikis and both could be Ninjas and both could be head devourers. If you want complete sanctity of mind, Reptile's third Fatality in MK9 is one where he literally eats the head whole. Mileena's first Fatality in MK9 she rips the head off and gorges on its face. In all of the other fatalities, she has gone after the face specifically, probably due to the fact that she can never show her own or something (that is franchise flavor I'm not too sure about).

Reptile is a devout servant of Shao Kahn and therefore has reason to be in this Mafia game. However, so does Mileena, especially given the fact that her sister, Kitana, was in this game.

In addition, the flavor on the wiki says that they have the possibility of being a Usurper each for their own reasons and a Ninja-Usurper may not be that far out of mind. However, I am almost positive that the last of these two characters is the final scum member with a lean towards Reptile.

Now that I have that flavor speculation out of my mind, I am going to do an iso of Toogeloo, followed by an iso of Bogre, and an iso of each of the flipped scum members.

It takes me a while to do an iso cause I am slow at it, but when I am done with each part I will post it in the thread. Beginning Toogeloo's iso now.

[Oversoul]

................


I just spent an hour and half doing Toogeloo's iso and I just accidentally highlighted everything and delted it because of that stupid mouse thing in the middle of certain laptops.


Fuck this. I'll do it tomorrow. I'm fucking pissed off now.

[Oversoul]

Oh thank god. I had it copied in another post too. Crisis averted I'll finish it today.

[Oversoul]

I really honestly do not think that Toogeloo is scum and given my play with him others would have already picked up on his scumminess and pushed for his lynch majorly

. Your whole argument for Pine's death is WIFOM and likely to be a result of your premeditated murder to get me mislynched. Toogeloo, you are the combatant with me most likely.

I don't get what you are saying here? You don't think I am scum, but you think it will be you and I in the ring? If you don't think I am scum, then it should go without saying that you think Bogre is scum. What mentality is it to put you and I in the Ring together if you think Bogre is scum?

And like hell my accusation was premeditated. If I lived to today, I was fully expecting Bogre to be the kill. Pine dying simply means that either Pine was seen as a bigger threat, or more confirmed via the Miller claim. My reaction was immediately that Pine was your biggest accuser yesterday because I wouldn't see Pine dying for any other reason.


Me being scum would mean that I not only confirmed Bogre as town (I had to point out that he and the last scum were not the same player), which means I removed him as a potential lynch, but I also kept him alive instead of Pine. I'd like to hear your explanation for that. Was that premeditated too?


@Bogre -
I don't understand why you expect us to come up with cases against each other. We are almost 4 months into this game. We are on Day freaking 10. Up until today, Oversoul was one of my biggest town reads (and based on his iso, I have been one of his), but considering your track result, I am left with Oversoul. Have I been his goat all game... probably. But my question is, why can't you come up with a decision yourself? Why are you going to base your final vote on who presents a better case? Shouldn't you have reads on both Oversoul and I by this point, and likely already have an opinion on where you would place your vote if you had to?

Is this your case that you are talking about, Toogeloo? I am finishing up your case tonight while I am awake from the caffeine and sugar, but I was expecting something... larger considering it is LyLo.

You guys aren't going to like my opinions about the game and such.

[Oversoul]

We have to "lynch" twice. We'll have plenty of time.

Actually, it only takes one vote on someone else to make that person a kombatant as well since the rules state the two players with the highest amount of votes go against each other. Technically, the player getting the most votes will more than likely get to choose their opponent if all other votes are on him, which is why I think they get to talk during the Kombat phase (it allows the person with the most votes to build a case against his opponent).

Third post of the game and Toogeloo already has an interaction with a confirmed scum member. It isn't a suspect interaction or anything, it is a friendly post explaining the voting and lynching mechanic of this game. I feel that scum would have asked this question in the QT before asking it in the thread making me think that this interaction is legitimate and that Toogeloo was trying to be friendly.

Ahem. I fucked that up, haven't read my PM through.

Lemme think about this first.

UNVOTE

ITT:
Scum didn't read the first couple pages and see a Miller claim already and thought they could get away with one themselves.

unvote;
vote: springlullaby

This game is seriously a cluster fuck. A 6 man scum team with an SK and two millers... both of which are power roles that would inevitably be lynched before LyLo... the balance is ... whatever.

Scum would know that there are two "flavors" for scum seeing as it would most likely state in their Pm whether or not they were a Blackdragon or an Earthrealm Invader. I am curious to know what Reptile and Mileena would be classified as and I would ask that one of you (Toogeloo or Bogre) look up the flavors associated with the scum already flipped. Perhaps it is a 3 and 3 case which could make or break the flavor of the last scum.

Anyway, Toogeloo could have insider knowledge that there would be two millers, if there were any millers, because he knows that the scum have two flavors. He could be trying for an easy mislynch, knowing this information. While I feel that the post is townie, I can see the scum intentions.

Also, if Bogre was in fact a Ninja, why wouldn't they make him perform all of the kills? The setup suggests that he could be either 1 shot like the Strongman, or completely passive like the Godfather and once again... leads to an inconclusive result.

Unvote
Vote: Palisades

That should lock Palisades into the fight. I would prefer Springlullaby be the second fighter personally because I found her more scummy from the whole Miller shenanigans, but I'm wondering if there is some further strategy involved in making sure we get rid of the person we want to get rid of when a fight starts. If the majority of people want Palisades gone, then what's the point of sticking a Miller in the Pit with them? Why not put someone no one wants to get rid of in the Ring and make it a slam dunk "Flawless Victory"?

Up to this point, Toogeloo had not mentioned Palisades, but he readily puts him into the ring. Furthermore, his tone and diction from this post suggest that he really doesn't even have an opinion on Palisades seeing as he makes no reasoning for voting him. He also tries to encourage a "town" motive by putting a player the majority thinks are town in with a player that the majority thinks are scum as a way to ensure that scummy player's death. While this looks town motivated, it is a clear indication that Toogeloo does not want discussion to occur between the Kombatants. Also, it shows through a veiled statement that Toogeloo may possibily think there are roles that mess with the Mortal Kombat fighting period when he states "there may be further strategy to get rid of someone" but that point is much weaker than the discussion stifling aspect of his posts.

Why not put someone no one wants to get rid of in the Ring and make it a slam dunk "Flawless Victory"?

Five words.

What if Palisade claims cop?

Palisade is already going into the ring, we should get a claim from them before we even get to a second participant, because same argument could be made that "What if one claims cop and the other claims Doc?" If Palisade claims any kind of power though, are we just going to believe it and quickly get a Miller in there and lynch the Miller instead?

@Bunnylover: I'd like more flavor on you please. Specifically I'm going to leave out one major element of my role, please fill.

c. My being a miller is considered a XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX. (Please fill in the xxxx)

Here you are looking for a specific phrase.
Yet, here...

@ BUNNYLOVER

@Kise: I'm not sure what that means.
I think it means that my miller is an ability so basically its like this
xxxxxxx(miller passive) - description.
If so, then yes its like that in my pm.
The passive is called Former Evil Slave.

This check out with my PM. My miller status is indeed indicated as a passive ability. Although my role is called Reformed Black Dragon Leader.
The fact that our roles seem to be checking out with each other make me think that we are both town and that mod just decided to have fun.

This make me wonder about the following:

Pali, The Fonz, Spring, MOS = leaning scum.

Why do you think I'm leaning scum considering the above?

Also, my role clearly state that scum are called the Black Dragons. Is it the same in your role PM?

You are fine with it not being exact at all.

Based simply on my own role, I think EVERYONE has a passive and an alignment. So being a "Former Evil Slave" or "Reformed Black Dragon Leader" are not the same thing. I could look at my PM and just tack on an adjective to my affiliation and change it however I want too.

Vote:
Springlullaby

[/quote]

Here Toogeloo further advocates a lynch on Springlullaby once nervousness about lynching Palisades is brought up. It looks like he is preparing two cases while still silently pushing for a Springlullaby and honestly looks very scum motivated. He expresses suspicion of Springlullaby more so than the fact that he suspects Palisades and yet he is still pushing for Palisades to get lynched and should he claim a power role just stick in one of the mislynches and be done with it.

Based simply on my own role, I think EVERYONE has a passive and an alignment. So being a "Former Evil Slave" or "Reformed Black Dragon Leader" are not the same thing. I could look at my PM and just tack on an adjective to my affiliation and change it however I want too.

Vote:
Springlullaby

May I inquire as to how you know this? Not asking for a claim.

I have a passive that states my affiliation, which I know the entire town cannot also share (because there are not enough members of this affiliation), and that it describes I am aligned with town.

He acknowledges the fact that there may be different town affiliations, and given the fact that we have two millers it would make sense for them to have different affiliations. Why doesn't he believe Spring's claim then?

This is all very confusing and quite frankly my mind cannot handle it. It also doesn't help that I am very sleepy at the moment. *sigh*

See, I think Spring didn't read the thread and just thought she could get a Miller claim out there. Since then she has been trying to figure out how to make it passable. She first retracted it, almost as if she was going to take back the Miller thing like she hadn't read her PM thoroughly. Then she tried to fish the Miller condition out of BL, which ended up failing. I think she was hoping for BL to state what makes Millers scan the way they do, and instead BL came out with "Former Evil Slave," which made Spring have to come up with a way to make them look like they could still be Millers, and she just came up with the "Reformed" thing.

He is still pushing for Spring to get lynched, but the tone of this post is just towny in my opinion. It looks like legitimate scumhunting and this just doesn't seem scummy. The more I think about this game and enter flavor speculation and out guessing the mod the more I become frustrated. If Bogre is telling the truth than Toogeloo *has* to be scum, but Bogre has just been scummy all fucking game and I viewed Toogeloo as towny all fucking game.

I have trouble believing that he thinks Former is true, acknowledges the presence of the passive ability for all town members, but doesn't believe the reformed thing. As scum he would know that two flavors exist and this would give him the information to go and push for this lynch seeing as he knew he could use it since town do not yet know the difference.

I had a suspicion at what you were hinting at yesterday CD. You made it a little obvious you had scanning power in posts #226 and #231, I'd be wary of that in future games.

Vote: WLC

One of the posts that I think makes Toogeloo look townie... if he originally suspected this, why would they not kill CoolDog? ABR claimed that he saw Shao Kahn, the strongman visit Fate that night (and because of Fate's janitor flip, the Janitor as well) meaning they felt more threatened from Fate's play than they did from CoolDog possibly being a cop. From looking at the kill flavors and the night kills they did have the head devourer pretty much kill everyone except for Night 3, 5, and 7 which makes me believe that if the Ninja is an attribute like the Strongman, it would be limited to those even nights.

Vote: Amrun

Don't care who it is though. Will switch my vote to make it faster if necessary since we've already killed any potential discussion today with the speed of CooLDoG's claim.

Here he claims dismay at not being able to discuss anything because of the speed of CoolDog's claim which is a pretty townie move. Also, he moves on from thinking there may be MK round messing roles by stating he doesn't care who is in the ring with WLC just as long as someone is in the ring.

What is this....
I dont even....


He SAID he got a guilty in you. Why are you saying he got an innocent on you?

Why would he think your scum if he got a innocent on you?

He isnt so stupid.

If he got a guilty on Amrun, he would have voted Amrun first thing of the day. He voted Palisades.

In fact, he said he thought Amrun was WLC's partner, which would make Amrun a Black Dragon, not an Earthrealm Invader.


I believe Reck was stating he thought Muffin was probably Scum, and of the opposite faction of Amrun. Metaing a tad, and I'm not sure if this should even be taken into account, but Reck gave 4 Bah's when he died, and Muffin is the 4th name on the list... I could be reaching a bit, but not sure if that is coincidence, or even if he was (or should) be talking in code, so I probably will drop it at that. But kiwi is wrong about Reck stating he had a guilty on Amrun, that much I am sure.

This post is bad. The town still doesn't know the fact that only one mafia faction exists in the game, and Toogeloo emulates that thought. however, his case against Muffin is incredibly weak and as he said quite a reach. While I think that this is legitimate that thing about Muffin sits absolutely terrible with me.

I think Reck was stating that Muffin was the one trying to paint him as scummy, not Amrun.

PEdit: Reck DID vote Palisades out the gate Day 2, after voting for him Day 1 as well. Wouldn't he have scanned Pali Night 1, just to be sure?

We're not lynching Amrun because of Reck AT ALL. I've been trying to put Amrun up for death since Day 1, until Kise wrecked it, and then Day 2 we had a slam dunk so we couldn't kill Amrun yet. We've got another slam dunk today, but we might as well keep putting Amrun in the ring every day until we get a chance to actually finish the job.

Why are you trying to kill Amrun? He's not a Black Dragon, and the case on him yesterday was that he was trying to protect WLC, who was a Black Dragon.

Toogeloo at this point I remember, knows a lot about the MK universe and the flavor of the game. He would know whether or not there was any significance of the fact that Amrun isn't a Black Dragon or not. This also leads me to my points about the nightkills.

Amrun's death and Mastermind's death were the only non power role deaths in the game. At the time of Amrun's death, she was half confirmed to not be scum. I haven't looked into the day preceeding or the feelings surrounding Mastermind's death, but if Amrun is any indication of the behavior towards nightkills it is that the Mafia were trying to kill off confirmed town in which case Bogre should *definitely* have died considering he was the most confirmed town out of everyone going into Night 9.

Scum having an ability to kill the other opponent ignoring votes seems a little OP in any kind of LyLo/MyLo scenario.

He only responds to my point about there being a possibility of a round ending role in the game. This shows that he has moved on in his mind from thinking about that setup speculation. Also, CoolDog's claim that there are two mafia factions is most likely the reasoning he doesn't believe Amrun is scum and is still voicing suspicion of Palisade's based on Reckoner's flip. town points for Toogeloo.

Vote: Toogeloo

Nice slip.
Man, we don't even need another power role guilty claim to continue our streak, time to go 3 for 3.

If you think the html thing is some kind of slip, you would be wrong. I had spent the majority of my day at this site:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/

Including Mafia:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefa ... s/60048878
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/575926-mafia


GameFAQs uses those stupid < and > html things, and you have to type them in since they don't have the nifty little [

B

] button like we have here. Since I have been spending the day getting ready for vacation and playing mafia at the same time, I got a little exhausted and forgot which site uses which tags.

I will just claim now though if this is going to get out of hand, because I am leaving in a few hours and won't have any time to defend myself further than this .

I just came out of a game where a scum member did this exact same slip. However, that game explicitly had Daytalk. If this scum team had fucking day talk I might just slit DH's throat as that is incredibly fucking over powered. This is also the slip that I wanted to use to draw a nightkill on one of us, but it failed before any of it came to fruition. I believe Toogeloo despite this slip as he puts everything out in the open and states that he is going to be be away.

ABR was killed by a Shuriken Shower AND a Heart Rip. That sounds like Reiko and Kano by my research, and I think that is one from each side (Earthrealm Invader and Black Dragon). Burned to death sounds like Scorpion, so I imagine that is Vig since I don't think Scorp falls in either category. Head Devoured is either Mileena or Reptile; I think Reptile makes more sense, since isn't Mileena allied with Kitana (thus making her a town member)?


I missed most of the Day yesterday, but I did read through Oversoul's "gambit."

Why in the hell would you try to claim Masons with a claimed Vanilla, Oversoul? Even if you managed to get that worked out perfectly, you can't honestly expect anyone to have bought it, right? With me leaving for Yellowstone for a week just after my claim, I'm pretty sure I would have claimed Mason and may or may not have named my partner, just to ensure I wouldn't have had to worry about it while I was gone, not Vanilla.

I actually forgot about this post. >_> Well not really, I remember him making this post, but not what its contents were lmao. I feel like I just waisted 20 minutes of my time looking up that flavor shit too. :\ At least we have come to the same conclusion. Anyway, his reaction to my gambit is actual bewilderment and he doesn't say whether I am scum or not for that post. The tone of this post looks legitimate and it looks like he is actively trying to contribute to the game unlike some other people...

No... Mileena is definitely the person doing the head devouring. In fact, I would go so far as to say that Mileena was a lyncher to Kitana. In all of your research, I don't understand how you missed that painfully obvious fact.

I only researched Fatalities and was just going off what I remembered from MK II, MKIII, and the original MK movie (Kitana was good there). I thought they were like Sisters or something, but clones makes sense.

Why wouldn't I try to divert the nightkills onto Vanilla Townies? That way we wouldn't have lost anymore power roles, which are rapidly declining.

In every game I've played with Masons, Masons aren't killed until closer to Do or Die. While they are confirmed town, they are also mostly harmless. Scum would more than likely take shots at other people they think are Power instead. In this game we still had claimed power alive in CooLDoG, so I imagine he still presented a more lucrative target over "Masons" simple because he was at least half confirming people to be not scum, and Kano is still out there for sure with the Heart Rip. I still maintain no one would have believed you with my Vanilla claim previously though.

I actually agree with this. Prior to today, I was working off the assumption that there are two different scum factions (you know, 2 specific millers 2 specific cops, etc), but this game makes a lot more sense if we assume there's only one scum faction in this game (a combination of black dragon invaders).

I'm still kind of operating off the assumption there are two teams. CooLDoG may have hit one Black Dragon already, but he was also half confirming several people as well. With a lack of claimed power out at the moment, the Invaders may have felt he was too dangerous to their own alignment as well as players were getting narrowed down.



Going over T-Bone's ISO, I think either he never used his power, or he used it on BL/Ludi early.

He has a ton of Snake hate in his ISO, especially with:

Vote: SnakeComing in, and not reading the thread, only to contribute to the two vote hammer on Amrun yesterday that the majority of us specifically asked NOT to happen, killing all discussion we had going on.I wanna put Snake and the second person in the pit today. (That'd be Cooldog, and Muffinman with the late hammer, but sigh one is confirmed town)Definitely Snake because Snake needs to die, regardless of who else we throw in the pit.

Kill Snake with death please. (after we kill the outted scum of course)

Well anyway, kill Snake with death for randomly coming in and ending all discussion yesterday.

Vote: Snake

Kill him with death!

..But Snake never posted more than a single line that could be asked if it would be truth or lie. So I think that is just T-Bone acting on his gut.

However over the course of his ISO, he states he thinks Ludi is town, and he brings up question about spring's Miller status and it's strength (but the way he asks it, sounds like he possibly lie detected Bunny because of the comparison question).

Wow. This game has been ongoing for so long I had forgotten

I

already did this research. This post looks bad for me in my opinion, but you guys can analyze me lmao. Mostly answering questions and set up speculation, but he does still state the he thinks there are two Mafia teams despite the fact that that theory of thought was quickly dwindling. Combine his theory with what happened a day earlier and I doubt scum Toogeloo would have been that careless to say something scummy like that.

Toog, thats a rather big post with not much relevance.

There is a lot of relevance to the post for my own scum hunting. For one, I am trying to determine Oversoul's reactions to my questions to truly determine whether or not he is scum. At the moment, I am going with my original gut (and reason I didn't vote him to death yesterday) that he is town who made a stupid mistake. Vibe I am getting is that he wouldn't [as scum] try to claim a Masonry with a claimed Vanilla. I just don't see how people would believe it, and honestly, him screwing up the delivery is probably the most promising reason to believe it.

Determining whether or not two teams exist will help us as well. It will be less likely scum will bus scum if there is one team if they can avoid it, especially after 2 scan lynches to their team. But if there is two teams, they may be more inclined to fight each other to continue to look better. Muffin makes a good point though that the only kill that could indicate a second team is the ABR kill, as the other two deaths may be more likely to be Even Night Vigings.

By my opinion, my ISO of T Bone would also suggest that attempting to scum hunt based on his flip is likely not going to tell us anything, since the only person he had a hard on for lynching didn't give enough posts for T Bone's ability to work.

Who are the top three people you think are anti-town, and why?

Right now, my thoughts are leaning to kiwi for some odd posts, including posting that spring is more likely to be scum since bunny was Miller, and claiming that T-Bone was aggressive towards Snake.

My other two choices would be Booger and Darox (inb4omgus), both for the same reason. Neither is really doing anything but going with the flow of the game and egging other players on as if they were watching from the peanut gallery. They've had a little content now and again, but for the most part, they have just laid a few votes, had a few fluff posts, and let everyone else do heavy lifting.

Town-wise, I've felt the Timeater slot and you have been pretty town. Amrun and spring get some town credit as well due to scans and flips, though I do hate that spring has had all of one post since Day 1.


I'm in no interest to throw a vote down at the moment, since for all intents and purposes, I lost an entire day of discussion that I am still analyzing, and the other days were freebies from scans and modkilling. I do think kiwi will end up with my vote at this current pace though. I think the Oversoul voters are looking a bit opportunistic at his fail of yesterday, so I am trying to get a better read on those slots as well.

This post could either make or break Toogeloo considering that he lists one scum and a possible town as scum and one scum and a town as town. He states that he thinks I am town and continues with that thought throughout most of the game until today, which he questions my alignment considering Bogre's claim and the fact that we are in LyLo. I really don't want Toogeloo to be mafia. That would suck so much. He says that the people hopping onto my wagon are opportunistic, when he did the same exact thing to Springlullaby and her "failed" miller claim. I don't see what the difference is here? He does make a good point that he could have killed me and gone for the legitimately scummy player, but instead he chose not to kill me and end the day. He is right with calling out both Darox and Bogre for not really contributing. It makes sense that the scum would likely leave a Ninja and a Godfather as the last two scum candidates (not that they had a choice, but two scum members visting one player is a little risky on night 1 especially since they would know there are watching/tracking roles.). Toogeloo stating that he want's a better read on those slots also looks town as it has motivation to look for scum.

1033 is a case against Mastermind which the scum think is an SK after they realize there are many kills that they did not submit. This is also supported by the fact that Mastermind dies the night. This is a point against Toogeloo because scum would rather not waste a nightkill on an SK or a vigilante because that still leaves them open to being the lynch. However, since Ludi was pushing against IS as the SK, I highly doubt that they thought Mastermind was also an SK unless they thought there was still a ONSk and ENSK... which kinda makes sense given the two flavors and such... yet again another inconclusive point. :\

1114 is also another interesting post given the interactions with Bogre and Darox. He asks for a prod on Bogre and continually calls out Darox for coast posting, yet he never directly puts a vote to action on either of those two players. He states his opinions on IS and on my wagon (implying Nero is town for his push against me) and saying that Kiwi is scum. The conflicting messages that I get from Toogeloo's post are super freaking annoying.

Sorry I haven't posted since my V/LA ended. I have a kidney stone, it came on suddenly, and I have been on percocet and had little energy to do anything yet alone worry about a mafia game.


We have just a little over 4 days to come to a consensus on who we want in the ring, otherwise the top two with the most votes are going in.

Eh.

I went back and checked, and Ludi started the IS kick, not muffin. I don't really see scum looking at the state of affairs at that time and deciding what they really needed to do is bus a teammate.

Your list does not mention Ludi. What does this statement make you think of Ludi's alignment?

btw, when Nero flips scum, and people begin to realise that there actually is only one scum team, CSL and Oversoul are 100% town.

Disagree. I do think Oversoul is town regardless, but if Nero does flip scum, I don't think that clears CSL at all. Scum can attack other scum, especially if one or both of them look bad. If CSL gets lynched and flips scum, it would make Nero look better, and vice versa, but it doesn't clear either of them from not being scum.

@Amrun:
You and I have both been cleared to be NOT Black Dragon, but we have not been cleared as being NOT Invaders (Reck's scanning). One team or two, people can't just dismiss as confirmed since that possibility would still exist in their minds. This is why people are arguing you aren't confirmed town.



May you guys never suffer from a kidney stone... my god, worst pain I have ever gone through.

This post is a good point. Since he is cleared to not be a black dragon, if three earth realm invaders have flipped, then we can say that Toogeloo is probablynot scum. Also, he starts his push on Ludi and IS in this post as well as Nero, but he gives himself a backdoor stating that even if Nero flips scum, CSL has the chance to flip scum as well.

Unvote;
Vote: CSL

...just to ensure Oversoul isn't going into the ring, and CSL makes a good back-up to MoS since he isn't getting attention today it seems. I am fine with CSL v. Nero in a fight to the death. Had a town read on Nero earlier, and a scum read on CSL, but I have town reads on *most* of the people on Nero, so their judgment is worth noting as well. Their arguments in the ring will be my deciding factor though.

I'm a little concerned of the exodus off of IS, and forsee a constant problem with IS v. Ludi tomorrow, especially given today was dominated by that discussion. But I very much would like to discuss the anti-town/floaters and get them sorted out as well.


Passed my stone last night btw, thanks to everyone for their wishes.

He doesn't even acknowledge Nero as scum mainly sheeping the people on Nero's wagon to be town and thus their opinion is noted. He only votes CSL so that I don't get into the ring, which is interesting because I have just landed myself in LyLo... Although he does say that he thinks CSL is scum and has a scum read on CSL for that day. Here he also arouses suspicion of the nonentities of the game like Bogre and Darox and tries to get everyone to notice them. This could be soft prodding or legitimate suspicion of them, but yet again it is hard to tell.

Taking a warning for the team.

Can we get claims please.

Another post that I do not see scum saying. Why would he risk his slot if he was scum just to get names? I don't see any scum motivation for this post at all as he could have jsut remained silent due to the restriction put in place by the lynching mechanic. Town points for this post.

muffin, I think you have Nero wrong, and I like part of Nero's idea that Ludi wasn't the only scum on Stranger, however, with the Mafia death last night, I don't think that absolves anyone of innocence. IS is more than likely not a Black Dragon at the very least, but he could be Serial Killer (or second mafia if that idea is still being toyed with).

One thing in particular that started to bug me on reread was Amrun's continued insistence that she is Town based on a non-Black Dragon scan. It seems she is pushing a bit too hard on my reread, and that she is either Invader or SK trying to constantly show innocence.

I'd also very much prefer we don't let these idle town lie around. Not a big fan of the players who are not lifting a finger to do anything and riding other people's wagons.


As far as speculation of the teams and Night Kills...
Fate was killed Night 1 (as per ABR's watch). The only person he stated killed Fate was Ghost. Ghost was Strongman though, so I suppose Bunny might have protected Fate (or another target) and only Ghost's kill got through, assuming two kills went out that night and one was protected against.

I still believe that Reiko and Scorpion are the killers (less sure about Scorpion). Lore wise, both seem to have their own personal agendas. It might be that there are two Serial Killers in the game, one even night and one odd night. Aligned SKs could make sense, but not from what I can see flavor-wise.



As for today, I very much want less dawdling from Darox, Bogre, and Kiwi. Oversoul needs to step up as well.

For now...

Vote: Amrun

...on gut.

He votes Amrun for gut on the suspicion that she is flaunting her half confirmed status too much. Interesting that he isn't going after Bogre for basically the same exact reason.

He also pushes that people are wrong to think that Nero is scum and continues to give no real opinion on him despite the glaring amount of town dislike for Nero's slot. Major scum points for this post and its horrible implications.

My problem is that I don't believe that an Odd Night SK is the only independent action. It cuts the balls off of the SK making him only be able to take a shot every other night. I would be upset as hell if I was alone and in my faction and could only kill every 2 lynches and multiple other night kills going off.

There has to be something else about the SK, either he has a partner, or he has another ability that function on Even Nights. I can't believe a gimp ass every other night SK exists by itself.


If Fonz is the EN SK and not Vig, are we giving him a free night to do another kill for their team? How do we test him, and as Stranger says, what do we do if Fonz makes it to end game?

Really starts hunting for the SK which now that I think about it, could be the reasoning for both the Amrun and the Mastermind of Sin kill, but I don't see why they wouldn't go after IS since Ludi clearly knew that IS was the SK. I seriously just don't understand unless Toogeloo wanted to go and create a competing wagon and train of thought so that he looks town, but that is too much WIFOM and I usually don't give any credence to WIFOM. I'm so scatterbrained this game.

Unvote;
Vote: Darox

Best option.

This is the first time he votes Darox and then he immediately after goes on to say that we should be putting Bogre into the ring with him (which I really wish we did at the time). He doesn't give any indication on Darox's alignment and doesn't give any reasoning for the vote on Darox other than best option. This is a post that is particuarly strong against him in favor of a scum motivation.

Bogre laying on some ATE in his latest posts.

"I know I am going to get lynched because I am lurkish, but that is ok because my lynch will help town."

If Fonz isn't going to shoot him, we need to put him in today.

Pushes Bogre for some good reasoning, but he is using a wiki tell which is something I really do not like and people who usually use those tells are scum in my opinon.

If it's a two man scum team AND a two man SK team, are we fucked either way?

Also, how does everyone feel about a Mass Claim at this point?

Unvote

I haven't got a clue who the Shuriken guy is to be honest, and I think claims might help a little on the meta front. Willing to put IS in, but I think we need to put our second guess in as well, or at least hear who IS thinks is the Shuriken guy, and maybe put the two of them in together.

He advocates a mass claim which I usually consider to a be townie move if it wasn't for the fact that there is a janitored kill. Nothing particularly special about the Internet Stranger comment either, but it is showing scumhunting. :\

I have a hunch on something based on something I just read.

Vote: Internet Stranger

If we are going for SK today, still need a second option, just in case what I am interpreting is incorrect.

Did you ever tell us what your hunch was? I guess it doesn't matter that he flipped as SK and all, but for closure I guess it matters. Without the confirmation from the Track result, what is your opinion of Bogre? I find him to be scummy as fuck, but I've already explained that position. Also, I am little dissatisfied with your case as it is pretty bland on only really goes off the fact that Bogre is confirmed and that I am not?

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I'm not voting until I have completed all of my actions that I enumerated earlier. I will probably do the Bogre iso tomorrow, but it won't be as extensive as Toogeloo's because Bogre hasn't really contributed.

Bogre, why don't you think the confirmed townie was killed in the night?

[Oversoul]

Tooge, what day do you want me to do be done by? I have a huge test I need to study for, but if it is a priority I can do some shifts in the amount of time I spend doing other things (not including studying).

[Oversoul]

I should be done before Wednesday evening if that is the case, tempted right now to just go with my gut to end this clusterf.

[Oversoul]

Really really inclined to just vote Bogre right now. If Bogre is town that would mean we lose.

[Oversoul]

In that scenerio?

Amrun
Darox

Would be my top 2. Amrun for her cofrimation bias and Darox for active lurking.

So POE it would leave...

Nachomamma8/kiwieagle/Bogre

probally Nacho and 1 of Borge/Kiwi.

Nero, that wasn't a rolefish by any means.

Explain to me what rolefishing is?

Fonz, I am rather dumb.

QFMFT!!!!!

Pfft, Fonz is an obvious Scorpion.

Head burning?
T-Bone of all people getting killed?

Seriously now.

I think that points more to OS being scorpion.

I didn't really like Timeater's play, but nacho made the slot look better.

Why Nachomamma town read when she voted for you and supported me?

What did Nacho do that was better?

If you flip scum I'm going to start suspecting Nacho until then I have no reason to suspect her.

How do you read, Nacho?

How do I read?
Oversoul is town. I'm pretty sure I mentioned that somewhere.

Muffin, I'm all good with IS dying and all, but if he's an odd-night SK and today's an even day, I think we can better spend our time killing Nero.

This was actually meant for OS [not that she's ever going to answer anything] and not you but I accidently put a comma there.

Still don't get it? What a shame.

But I'm looking at Fonz/Nero/IS remaining as scum, probably. Bogre needs to flake so he can stop being a wildcard, but everyone else is town enough.

Why are you not SK hunting?

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Nero, your theory is stupid and that post fails the address the other (more important) points I had about you.

You raised no points. You're post was basically "lol Nero is scum b/c he called me on my bullshit."

If you think my theory is stupid please explain why we have two faction cops and why a BD flipped mafia.

My point is this: you're just lobbing lazy attacks at me (and anyone else you're attacking) without thinking them through. You've accused me of confirmation bias as a way to accuse me of scum, which is inherently contradictory. You've demonstrated over and over again that you're not fully reading the thread. You are looking for categorical flaws rather than intent. You are, in short, posting like scum looking for mislynches.

I don't know what's going on with the cops, but that's not what I meant. I don't know if I expressed myself clearly (probably not, distracted). Idk or CARE, honestly, if your theory is true. It's irrelevant. Under your theory, I am at least 50% less likely to be scum than anyone else, and yet you continue attacking me, and so poorly. If you were just THAT CONVINCED, then maybe, MAAAAAAAAYBE, but none of your attacks even make sense. "Oh, uh, she's scum because of confirmation bias and she won't stop voting for me!" The only thing that I can be confused of "confirmation bias" about is you, perhaps, which again, assumes that I am town. It's just a fancier OMGUS that makes even less sense.

THE HELL IS THIS CRAP?

My point is this: you're just lobbing lazy attacks at me (and anyone else you're attacking) without thinking them through.

Thats not lazy, thats calling you on your bullshit. Thats pointing out that OS is lurking scum like she was in TV Mafia. Thats fucking scum hunting and just b/c you're ass is pegged doesn't make it lazy.

You've accused me of confirmation bias as a way to accuse me of scum, which is inherently contradictory

the hell?!?

Amrum: I'M CONFIRMED TOWNIE!!!

Nero:The hell you are.

Thats not a contridiction, thats catching lurker scum who's not paying attention at all [to the game] and trying to coast on a half confrimation.

It's just a fancier OMGUS that makes even less sense

If you want to go this route....My post expressing suspision of you was 1123[and thats not counting my vote in 552]Your post expessing intrest in lynching me was 1148. It was

YOU

that totally OMGUSed me.

Please stop projecting.

I'm going to do nothing the rest of the game. With Muffin defending me I can easily lurk to victory.

FIFTY

He doesn't seem to have much of a defense beyond voting for the opposite wagons.

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not exactly sure what you want here. I've already claimed. Do I think the cases on me are crap? of course. The only person that has a case on me is Muffin and he only thinks I'm scum b/c I'm attacking lurkerscum OS.

Nero pushing for my lynch the entire game should have shown you that I am not scum.

Nero naming Bogre also leads me to believe that there is a connection. Plus, Bogre has horrible play this game.

Toogeloo, if you are scum. Then truly GG.

Bring the hate.

VOTE: Bogre

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Bogre, what's done is done. If you actually felt this game was important you would have commented on my Toogeloo iso. I saw you being antagonistic to a town read that I have had for pretty much the whole game and then RELYING on the fact that you were confirmed which given the setup may not even be confirmed.

If this game isn't over, and you seem to think that it isn't based on the fact that you aren't "WOW WTF you put both townies in here, we are fucked" then you are scum.

If you and are both townies, then this game is over. If it goes to Mortal Kombat, you are scum. The fact that you were "without a doubt" confirmed and not nightkilled is suspicious as fuck. I know I am hypocritical because I hate hate hate paranoid people but your play, the interactions, and everything else are all just too much for me to ignore.

Town, I am sorry if I am wrong. Fonz, I dislike you for not shooting Bogre. Not that you are going to take anything I say since you think I am the crappiest crap since crap. >_>

pedit: Bogre

The moment i said "I am inclined to vote Bogre" you got hyperactive and defensive. Go away. I know you are a med student and all but god. If you are town shoot me in the face.

[Oversoul]

... is not

WTF YOU ARE SO FUCKING STUPID OVERSOUL

It is more dismay that I actually went against the grain of the site meta.

[Oversoul]

We are all allowed our one fuck up game. I take this one as mine. ;_;

But dear god if you are town, Bogre.

[Oversoul]

FUCK. YOU ARE TOWN.

lkmoiemsfoisemgoieghseogishegsoiehg

put the shackles on me and lock me in the cellar.

[Oversoul]

I hate LyLo. Why the fuck do I end up there so often.

[Oversoul]

Whatever. Toogeloo, good game. You played me well. I am really too gullible especially when people start sucking up to me. He played with my ego quite well. I also tend to inherently think someone is scummy if they start picking on me *cough* Nero *cough* Bogre *cough*.

[Oversoul]

DH is on so I can wallow in my own misery soon.

[Oversoul]

WALLLOW!

[Oversoul]

The anticipation is killing me. I also doubt that Toogeloo would directly say who the head devouring role was, but meh. Must have had a good fakeclaim.

[Oversoul]

Well Bogre, I think my avatar suits us.

"Shit. We're toast."

[Oversoul]

What the hell happened?

[Oversoul]

Well.. at least I wasn't wrong about the Ninja. The pain is gone. For the most part.

[Oversoul]

Too much scum PR with the dual miller shit going on. Really fucking weird.

[Oversoul]

Well, at least my flavor speculation didn't lose it. I was actually pretty accurate with it. Lawl.

[Oversoul]

Bogre clinging to the fact that he was confirmed only through the night investigation really fucked me up.

Add to the fact that I am having really hard time with ninja scum and trackers because of this game and and shit ... blah.

[Oversoul]

Originally I was just going to vote Toogeloo and then bitch up a storm at DH for making a ninja if Bogre wasn't scum, but he called me town. He called me TOWN. ;_;

[Oversoul]

ebwop: if Bogre was scum

[Oversoul]

Oversoul is going to make this too easy for me.

Got that fucking right. Every time. Every fucking time I am left to live it is always use Oversoul as a god damn mislynch.

EVERY FUCKING TIME.

[Oversoul]

Why is my name in there?

[Oversoul]

And lol Nero, your name should most definitely not be in there. DH's MVPs are the best ones for each faction.

Gollum, who are you?

No. Bogre would have still needed to vote correctly, although with his tunneling on me early game and such I don't think the outcome would have been different.

[Oversoul]

Ya, but it was too little too late for me at that point, Bogre. :\ Oh well. I think this is the only game where I can say that I directly lead to my faction's loss.

Nero, the fact that I consider you a bad scum player is the reason why I thought there was credence to you mentioning Bogre. Maybe if I had been less rash.

[Oversoul]

YOU consider me a bad player?

I'm not about to get into a pissing match with you, Nero, but I guess all of your actions are infallible and I am simply a bad player. You were obvious in your nonstop tunneling of me. That is why I figured there would be at least one associative tell in your isolation.

pedit:

Why do you hate Mastin?

[Oversoul]

Fonz, it is just a game. You take it way too seriously and are unnecessarily mean to people once the game is over.

Why am I everyone's scumvp? -___-

[Oversoul]

Well someone else can give them the BJs..

[Oversoul]

[Oversoul]

If I gave you a coupon for one of those BJs would you be happier?