Mini 183: Quick and the Dead - Town Wins!

[The Shadow]

Random Vote: Zippy

for having the post above me.

[The Shadow]

In Texas Justice, a list was made of everyone and on the list, everyone vig'd the person below him. The setup ended up with a confirmed innocent, and 2 other people left (Mathcam being the real vig). The town won.

However, in this, it would be a bit tougher to work. As many duels as wanted can take place during the day. A duel could also be staged from what I can see so that one person (predetermined) would win. Question is, how many scum are there? There's apparently only one scum group, though there could have been a doc protect (which is kinda doubtful, but possible). However, unlike Texas Justice, there is no confirmed innocent. But then, it's all done by day and can be done one at a time. I'll let Cam figure out the mechanics of any stategy along that line though, it's a bit complicated to think up as I'm writing this post.

[The Shadow]

Just idle speculation. Since the two players send in a rock-paper-scissor thing to the mod, if the two players were in agreement you could have it staged so a certain one would win. Granted, I can't see any particular use for that, but I thought I'd make a note of it in any case.

[The Shadow]

Humm. I think overall I agree that name claiming at the moment would be a bad idea. But there's got to be a way we can work this duel thing to our advantage. I'll admit, I'm not entirely sure at the moment how. Mainly because we don't know if there are any variables in dueling. Looking up the film, it appears Cort was the best, or one of the two best maybe. Anyhow, I'm not sure at the moment. I'll get back to you.

[The Shadow]

I'm a named character.

[The Shadow]

I haven't seen the film so maybe I'm nuts, but from what I've read on it, the Kid is Herod's son. Herod is the bad guy and the Kid seems to be on his side. So wouldn't that make MgM scum? If someone has a better suggestion let me know, because I'm seriously suspicious of MgM right now. He says he's a generic character until it becomes obvious there are none. Now he says he mixed up PMs. Altogether possible, but I'm thinking it more like a desperate attempt to get out of it. If the Kid is scum, why would he want to claim that unless he had to? Since he had to make a name claim, he could make a claim someone else probably had, or he could give his real name and try to and con everyone into believing he was innocent.

Unvote. Vote: MgM

However, another thing that bugs me is the opening thing that Nanook gave. It sounds like to win you have to be the only one left.

[The Shadow]

I haven't seen the film so maybe I'm nuts, but from what I've read on it, the Kid is Herod's son. Herod is the bad guy and the Kid seems to be on his side. So wouldn't that make MgM scum? If someone has a better suggestion let me know, because I'm seriously suspicious of MgM right now. He says he's a generic character until it becomes obvious there are none. Now he says he mixed up PMs. Altogether possible, but I'm thinking it more like a desperate attempt to get out of it. If the Kid is scum, why would he want to claim that unless he had to? Since he had to make a name claim, he could make a claim someone else probably had, or he could give his real name and try to and con everyone into believing he was innocent.

Unvote. Vote: MgM

However, another thing that bugs me is the opening thing that Nanook gave. It sounds like to win you have to be the only one left.

[The Shadow]

@ Obelix: If the Kid is not mafia, then who is? Who would you consider a likely mafia candidate.

From what I've read, in the film, basically everyone dies in the tournament. And that seems to be how it is here. To win, everyone else must be dead.

[The Shadow]

hmm....

MgM did not. That means

A: Mgm is lying about his role.
or
B: It only affects The Lady.

I'm inclined to go with B at the moment because there's been no counterclaim, but I don't know. I think lynching Puzzle today is a necessity. Of course we still could have him duel someone...any ideas on that?

[The Shadow]

lol.

FOS:Mathcam

. It messes with my brain when someone FOS's themself...

[The Shadow]

Mgm, don't you remember? Coron's not playing mafia yet. Or did I miss something...

Squareknight, your quote from the mod about PM quoting...

6. Quoting anything that I have sent you is prohibited and is grounds for hanging.

Grounds for hanging. So depending how much of a quote you do. If you post it word for word you instantly die I am guessing. Puzzle reported his name and motive like Mgm said, which had a different consequence. Mgm's name claiming...it's hard to say what the mod might do about name claiming. I'm leaning against a punishment at the moment, but I'm unsure.

Now I asked this yesterday, but it seemed to be largely ignored. I have not seen the film, so I was curious if the Kid is not a scum role, who else would be on Herod's side?

[The Shadow]

??? I posted that. How did it get on Square Knights post?

[The Shadow]

No. I didn't, I didn't. Please tell me I didn't.

Shoot, that must have been what I did. Words can't describe how idiotic I feel at the moment. I'm sorry guys....this is so not my day.

Feel free to lynch me or whatever...Again, everyone has my deepest apologies, I can't begin to tell how bad I feel.

[The Shadow]

If Mgm is already slated to die in your book, Obelix, why does it matter who duels him? After all, if you want Coron to duel someone, making him duel Mgm will make it impossible for him to duel anyone.

[The Shadow]

I don't think a tie is possible. And why are you complaining about the setup?

#1 If it goes right, you win. If it doesn't we've found a scum.
#2 You won't have to duel anyone else today regardless of whether you win or lose.

[The Shadow]

I imagine it's redone, though I suppose it's possible they both die.

[The Shadow]

To be honest, I'm not especially convinced of Square Knight's claim. He seems to be the only one with a generic role...unless I missed something, and he comes up with an investigative role which seems to me to be an attempt to avoid having to duel. But I'll admit I am a bit worried that he might be telling the truth. I tend to doubt it, but I'm not sure I want to risk it.

[The Shadow]

I'm not going to be available starting tomorrow afternoon and going to Saturday at some point.

[The Shadow]

I'll agree to that. Coron and SquareKnight duel.

[The Shadow]

In my opinion, if there's an SK, it's gotta be Mgm. I don't think there was one in the beginning. There was only one kill which seems to mean only one scum group...there's the possibilitiy of a doc protect or double-kill, but it looks more to me like a vig holding back.

What I want to know is why Coron is being classed as unwilling to reveal when I can't think of anything that the rest of us have all revealed.

[The Shadow]

OK. I'd forgotten about the 'partial claim' or whatever it was. My opinion would be if he was scum, he'd make up something sooner then refusing to say anything. That's pretty much like sticking a 'kick me' sign on your back. However, I think the time for holding back is over with only 6 left. No matter what info he's withholding, it should be revealed now or he should be lynched.

[The Shadow]

How do you know we have any more power roles? We've had all townies so far except the bartender. Who knows if we even have a doc.

[The Shadow]

Isn't MgM voting Coron? I never saw him unvote.

[The Shadow]

Fine by me. Who picks the random order?

[The Shadow]

I'm a vig.

I'll go with MoS next. I guess that means Obelix is after him since they're the only two left.

[The Shadow]

Sergeant Clay Cantrell.

Mathcam?

[The Shadow]

Anyone here know what characters might be considered, "bad guys"?

[The Shadow]

Looking on IMDb there's a character named Dog Kelly who sounds kinda like a bad guy, who is also fairly high on the cast list, AND who oddly enough, hasn't been claimed at this time.

[The Shadow]

Basically, what I want to hear from Coron is why he's refusing to name claim. I don't really care if it's a claim restriction or not, I just want to know what the reason is.

[The Shadow]

Alright people, those who have played with me in chat games where I replace into a role I don't know should know this is normal policy for me, if I don't know my role I don't name claim, plain and simple.

That's unacceptable. Unless your role states that you can't name claim, I see no good reason for you not to claim. If you don't talk, I'm perfectly willing to lynch you. Your normal policy is about as valuable to the town as a sharp stick in the eye.

[The Shadow]

There are times when it might be valuable to town, for instance I can't really defend the standing of my character as a good guy, or as the specific role I was placed at except for research(lazy) and whatever the mod gives me(not garunteed).

That's bosh. Unless I'm very much mistaken, several of us have not seen the film. That fact did not stop us from claiming our character name. Your "laziness" might cost the town the game, unless you're scum, which I seriously hope you are.

Also, it is valuable to me, do you lynch IS for being IS?

Yep.

PS- this policy is staying whether you like it or not.

Nuts to your policy. If you don't cooperate, you deserve anything that comes. All you are doing is putting your idiotic policy ahead of the town and I am sick and tired of putting up with this rot.

Vote:Coron

[The Shadow]

Fine, I'll give an alternative: We lynch Mathcam.

[The Shadow]

That's right. And I'm still perfectly willing to go after Coron. But since nobody seemed interested in adding another vote, I decided to go with plan B.

[The Shadow]

You and MoS are the ones not voting for Coron. Feel free to vote him anytime.

[The Shadow]

Couldn't possibly be your fault, could it? Don't trip over the sarcasm on your way out.

[The Shadow]

Ah. Good deal.

[The Shadow]

This is probably a bad time to ask, but...eh...who gets the money?

[The Shadow]

Definitely. Thanks, Nanook. Vig is personally my least favorite role. The first kill was just dumb luck.