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Post Post #6 (isolation #0) » Fri Nov 25, 2011 2:32 pm

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VOTE: Whispersilk

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Post Post #31 (isolation #1) » Sat Nov 26, 2011 4:44 pm

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In regard to Whispersilk – is the kind of post we can expect from her if we get posts at all. There really isn’t going to be much to read her with.

I expect her response will be something along these lines – “I always lurk Day 1 it’s my playstyle”. Sorry, doesn’t cut it anymore. You don’t get a free pass to not make yourself readable if you are scum and to make yourself an easy mislynch for scum later on if you are Town.

I’m going on record now Whisper – I don’t expect to live long and if you don’t provide what I consider an acceptable level on content Day 1 and aren’t lynch expect a Contract with your name on it N1.

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Thor wrote:I dunno - I'm just sucking up to MoI, frankly. I presume she flaked/hyper-lurked at some point.


No you aren’t. You are clearly ‘Teehee’ reaction fishing. Why try to disguise it? I say revel in it!

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Pops wrote:Legit strat. Then shoot him night one. His spirit will watch over you and guide you to victory.


That’s only a valid strategy if you aren’t too damn stubborn to listen to the sage advice.

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Stranger wrote:If I see anything's that's the problem, I interpret it as Thor665 supporting a policy lynch, which I'm against in most cases.


Really? Do you have a Policy of disliking those who suggest Policy Lynching? If so do you ever vote them?

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Farside wrote:Why suck up to MoI?


Worried Thor and I will form a Voting block and destroy your scum team Farside?
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Post Post #33 (isolation #2) » Sat Nov 26, 2011 5:32 pm

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StrangerCoug wrote:I do dislike and vote people who suggest policy lynching as it tends to be anti-information; however, I've been accused of policy lynching policy lynchers (in a game where I was scum, if I remember correctly), so I have to be careful with my accusation of this. Thor665's post looks closer to a random bandwagoning stage post, and even though I'm against the RBS as well, fighting the stage is unproductive.The RVS stage is pretty much over in my eyes, so I will UNVOTE: ; however, nobody stands out as scummy and it's a little late for me to think right now.


In light of Pops' random guessing stage I see not one but two scum-driven statements / actions in this post.

First person to correctly identify them and join me in voting StrangerCoug gets a delicious Internet Cookie*

UNVOTE: Whisper
VOTE: StrangerCoug

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Post Post #88 (isolation #3) » Mon Nov 28, 2011 4:15 am

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So where was I?

@Pops
– while I appreciate the meta-humor in you adopting a aura of Cool Inscrutability in a Darox-Mod game I think I’m going to see something in the way of actual reads from you.

Is RBT scum? You seemed to pick up on her pretty quick in Box Office.

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jerobbo wrote: Colour me interested, cause I don't see it.


Clearly no cookie for you. :P

1. The first part about his dislike of policy lynching is all kinds of scummy for having clear built in Dissonance. Firstly Stranger was (and later has) indicated he thinks Policy Lynching is a bad thing for Town as the theoretical Town that must be considering himself to be. Yet you specifically references that he once in a scum game actually voted for someone based on this and ‘needs to be careful’.

There are all sorts of issue with this. If he’s Town and truly believes what he is saying re: Policy Lynches there should be fairly significant support for him in his Town games showing this opinion. So regardless of whether he actually did push a vote once in a scum game on this basis he shouldn’t be worried about people going ‘Aha, you did this as scum’ because he should be able to demonstrate it is a Null tell. But he doesn’t’ approach it in this manner. He specifically says he needs to be careful. That shows he’s more worried about how people perceive his play as opposed to playing naturally. Which doesn’t come from Town aligned players.

2. The second part revolves around his ‘RVS’ unvote. I’m going to put it bluntly – there is no such things as RVS that is a separate part of the game and in which votes cast ‘don’t count’. They do. Every post in the game is part of the game. I dislike Stranger’s “Oh, RVS is over, unvote” stance. If he was truly worried about his vote no longer having a funny, non-game element he shouldn’t have voted in the first place. Clearly he could foster discussion and dialoge simply by commenting (as he did with Thor regarding point 1). I see this as a further development of his worry about perception – he didn’t want his haha funny vote ‘left on too long’ to ward off possible criticism.

Thor wrote:All I've really got is the one, being specifically mindful of being lynched and moving to avoid it despite personal opinions of what is best for the game.
Secondary is...I guess the no direction after RVS thing ends, though if that's it I disagree with the tell.


Thor wins a delicous, freshly baked Internet Cookie for more or less nailing my thoughts on the matter and actually voting.

Pops wrote:Serious image management when he metas himself, survivor-scum tell.

His position on the RVS stage seems like a wave that appears like a particle if you observe it. It's unproductive, yet he participates in it, thus encouraging it.

I'm either 0/2 or 1/2.


I’d give you credit for 2/2 there but you didn’t vote Coug so no cookie Pops … :(

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RBT wrote:On your only post in the game, you are intending to hammer on page four?

UNVOTE; VOTE:Nacho


Let’s see – we have a reactionary vote meant to look Town (you are hammering on Page 4? That’s scummy!!!) that you actually didn’t put any thought into since with 13 alive it is 7 to lynch and Snake’s vote only put Stranger at L-2 (it was the fifth vote).

Also you are ignoring anything to do with any other discussion going on.

Now I really want to see what Pops has to say about you.

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enomis wrote:A hammer on page four? No way. UNVOTE: Strangercoug, do you think the advantage of hammering now really outweighs the disadvantage of hammering now. Really?


Why did you unvote? Do you think StrangerCoug is scum? If so why do you care when he gets hammered? If not why were you voting for him?

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Snake wrote:OK Nacho his vote is back down to L-2 so you still willing to put a vote on him if you are convinced enough to hammer? Enomis, I know what I'm doing. You play your way and will mine.


No, Stranger’s at L-3. It’s seven to lynch. Your reaction testing is noted. It didn’t work in Dr. Who Mafia with your “I’m a sonic screwdriver” claim Day 1 there and isn’t going to work here.

Move on to better avenues of scum-hunting please.

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Most of is meaningless fluff regarding what Iceguy thinks in regards to Mafia theory.

@Iceguy
- You were willing to vote Thor and call him scum because of you difference of opinion regarding Mafia theory?

Iceguy wrote:And there we have our opportunistic lurkerscum. This is your first post out of RVS and all you're doing is voting the prevalent wagon with a non-sequitur.


Lurkerscum? In a game open for business less 24 hours at the point where you posted? Not a chance …

Iceguy wrote:I didn't vote enomis just because he was lurking. I voted him because he laid low until there was a major wagon and than voted this wagon with a non-sequitur justification that looked like the vote came first and the thought second.

Nice try to spin my argument.


What is a ‘major wagon’?

Is bandwagonning just for the sake of it, especially early Day 1, a scumtell?

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Stranger wrote: That was pretty much it, admittedly.


So your vote on Thor was because you thought he was being serious in his policy lynching discussion.

Have you ever played with Thor before?

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Farside wrote:Scum ^


So Enomis is scum for what? Effectively saying that starting off the day with discussion about something (in this case Policy lynching useless Whisper) is good as long as a Whisper lynch doesn’t occur simply because of the discussion?

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Whisper wrote:So thumbs up on your policy lynch MoI. Pretty scummy if you ask me.


I am going to ask you –

Is it scummy to demand from a player with a short but proven history of not providing any content Day 1 to bring a level of interaction to the table that makes that player readable?

What are the purposes of and other than fluffly activity and buddying up to Pops?

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Nacho wrote:Yes. I agree that he seems pretty scummy and I'm not really worried about soliciting a claim first simply because I'm going to lynch him regardless of what he claims. Why shouldn't I hamnmer?


Aside form the fact that this whole series about hammering was “lulz, reaction-test” since Stranger wasn’t hammerable –

I want a full opinion – there is no role in the game that you would not hammer if claimed? Please answer in your next post.
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Post Post #91 (isolation #4) » Mon Nov 28, 2011 4:43 am

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Farside needs a refresher course in using quotes :lol:

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farside wrote:I answered that here
In addition I don't like BW votes with no reasoning. The fact that emonis didn't disappear after being called out gives me pause on my initial reaction to his post.

I don't like Snakes vote or reasoning for his vote on SC. Weak reasoning there.......more later.


Yes, I saw that response. I specifically wanted to see if you would elaborate on the points I asked about.

Do you have difficulties in getting good reads when you play with players like faraday or CES who really never justify their votes and generally think bandwagonning is a way to get information?
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Post Post #97 (isolation #5) » Mon Nov 28, 2011 5:19 am

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Snake wrote:MoI I assume you meant StrangerCoug in your post and not IS, as Ive just realised this could become confusing. As Im sure you meant Coug, but initially thought you meant IS was at L-3. At the time of voting I was the 6th vote thus L-1?


I’m not sure I understand what you are saying here.

Who is IS? Do you mean Iceguy?

Here’s the rundown and your vote was clearly not number Six.

Mod of Cool Insrcutablity wrote:StrangerCoug (4) - MagnaofIllusion, Thor665, enomis, farside22


This is from .

The next vote for Stranger is yours at . Pretty clear he was at five votes and L-2 then, agreed?

Snake wrote:Don't over complicate things. Oh and it should be pointed out I was town in the Doctor WHo game and I was specifically right in what I did. Whether you like it or not.


But let’s discuss – what advantage did you gain as Town in that game with your ‘teehee, Ima claim a stupid role for reactions’? You clearly didn’t get nice and accurate scum reads since the only caught scum was due to a Cop investigation that game.

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Iceguy wrote:I voted enomis because she didn't post for a day (which would be fine by itself), AND THEN put the third vote on the active wagon with a short justification that didn't make any sense in context.

While that's not a particularly strong tell, it's an useful indicator at least for newbscum. Probably not enough to justify a Day 4 lynch, but enough to justify a Day 1 vote.


So why did you vote enomis over Thor when you had ‘good’ (as defined by you) justification for your Thor vote and this rather pointless assertion that bandwagonning is a Newbscum-tell.

Look, I’m going to take a page out of the Iceguy handbook –

“OH MY GOD ICEGUY IS MAKING UP SCUM-TELLS. THERE IS NO SUCH THINGS AS THAT SO CALLED NEWBSCUM-TELL. HE’S SCUM HE’S SCUM”

I just wanted to give everyone a taste of the crap we can expect from you later on.

Iceguy wrote: Oh look, it's a typical MoI misrep clad into a question!

I was willing to vote him because he was going the safe route by sheeping you and redefined "policy lynch" as "scum lynch" to distract from an argument.


And look – it’s typical Iceguy use of generic Wikitells (misrep – which in Iceguy’s world is any statement he disagrees with) that don’t actually have any actual application … :roll:

Why is ‘sheeping me’ the safe route when it drew him so much immediate scorn?
Do you seriously suggest he was serious about Policy Lynching Whisper?

Why did you dodge the following question –

Is bandwagonning just for the sake of it, especially early Day 1, a scumtell?


Iceguy wrote:All of this post is the first post of the thread. If you're going to throw mud at me at least get your links right.


Yes, technical error there. My mistake. Here is the proper link to your fluff –
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Post Post #98 (isolation #6) » Mon Nov 28, 2011 5:20 am

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@Yates
- I see you have completely avoided talking about the StrangerCoug wagon. Please give us your thoughts on it as it relates to his alignment and others aside from Nacho.
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Post Post #100 (isolation #7) » Mon Nov 28, 2011 5:36 am

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Thor665 wrote:@MoI - is asking Snake to defend his play in a game that's over and he was town in really going to go somewhere? It doesn't matter if you agree with him that it's good scumhunting, it only matters whether or not he honestly believes it is.


No, I'm doing scum-hunting here Thor. Ssssshhhhhhhh.

Don't be a wet blanket and ruin things :P
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Post Post #110 (isolation #8) » Mon Nov 28, 2011 6:23 am

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Nacho wrote: This is correct.


Really? Hmmm … I think I may have to vote for you after all …

Nacho wrote: My opinion of his alignment hasn't changed since my first post.


So you think he is scum but refuse to vote for him ….

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Iceguy wrote: Let me just remind you this "crap" caught scum-MoI redhanded.


And it also 'caught' Town MoI red-handed. Convienant you omit that little fact, huh?

Not to mention the fact that ‘caught scum’ MoI coasted to win at endgame while Town Vengeful MoI was lynched and managed to take down more scum than you.

Kthksbye ….

Iceguy wrote:MISREPCEPTION!

A misrep of what I call a misrep!


Look, fluffly filler. Are you saying you aren’t using misrep in the term it is generally accepted here on MS – that of a purposeful statement that does not reflect the actual intention of the person being commented on?

Iceguy wrote:He followed you onto SC, as well.


So what? Do you find his ‘following’ unwarranted by the posting in thread (aka he has no reason to find Stranger scummy)?

Iceguy wrote:I already explained it approximately seven hundred times.


More fluff. Quit dodging the question – it is a simple Yes or No answer … can you not handle that?

IS BANDWAGONNING JUST FOR THE SAKE OF IT, ESPECIALLY EARLY DAY 1, A SCUMTELL?
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Post Post #115 (isolation #9) » Mon Nov 28, 2011 7:19 am

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Thor wrote:The MoI and Icy walls are going to become a problem soon, aren't they? Stay on target guys - I don't care about the other game stuff because it doesn't seem to be going anywhere.


Yes, this is probably good advice. I need to remember that Iceguy comes at the game from the “I am better than anyone else” stance regardless of alignment. I also need to look at XKCD Mafia for some things now that it has ended.

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Iceguy wrote:I'm using misrep in the common MS sense. You're misrepping me, saying I'm using misrep in another sense. That's misrepception.


Asking questions to clarify positions isn’t misrepping. One day you’ll learn that.

Otherwise the rest of your response is couched in “I’m going to avoid actually giving solid answers here so I can’t be called on it regardless of how things turn out”. Noted. Done wasting pixels on you currently.

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Nacho wrote:Voting him would be a detriment to lynching him. No other player in this game at this time would be willing to put down the hammer vote.


That’s a pretty stupid assumption. Meanwhile I’ll go on record and say your absolute commitment to not voting when you have someone you are calling scum is in-itself scummy.

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Pops wrote:It's page four, I don't have m/any reads yet. When I get some, you'll know about them


Perfectly fair. I’ll be waiting.

Pops wrote:To be perfectly honest, there's some players I feel I can read leaps and bounds better by LyLo than I can with a day or two posts. I try to reorder lynch decisions (inb4lininguplynches) so that I'm lynching people that my opinion is unlikely to change about with more material before people that are much easier to read with a large amount of material. I guess you could say it's the opposite of lynching killa 7 d1 - it's lynching a player who has an abundance of info on Dlast last, rather than lynching someone who will have 0 info on Dlast first. (killa 7 might have been before your time, guy basically never posted anything that remotely resembled content.)


Let me see if I can summarize this –

You’d rather lynch those players who will not change your early opinion of them with a wealth of material (aka living to LYLO) before those players who will give you more readable information if they live that long.

Is that correct?

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Snake wrote:Oh and for the record MoI just because you have that best newbie badge by your name doesn't make your opinion automatically right and I would rather that you and Thor dont patronise me either.


You may think it is patronizing you but I’m very interested in your thought process.

You, as Town, played in a certain manner in that game. A manner that I think objectively could be described as not working out. I’m wanting to know – did you learn anything form the process? Did you go back, look at what conclusions got drawn from the gambit, compare them to actual results, and look to revise either your analysis process or your general game-play.
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Post Post #117 (isolation #10) » Mon Nov 28, 2011 7:29 am

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Nachomamma8 wrote:Why is that?I'm clearly taking a position.


Because you are taking a position that your actions don't back-up. Not voting your scum suspect because no-one else would be willing to hammer (especially considering he isn't even at L-2 right now AFAIS) is a pretty poor reason why IMO.

It's the same core reasoning why FOS Partner, Vote Town is still a fairly viable scum-tell.
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