Open 418 - Friends and Fun Times at the Fair (Game Over)

[TeChNoWC]

Meh dr. I have no Illusions about my RQS being able to sniff out scum. It's mainly so that I'm not going "Player X hasn't posted in 5 pages = Scummy"

One minute you seem to be saying that your RQS Q2 is designed to limit lurking, but then this post reads to me that any player who has a fairly 'meh' answer to Q2 gets a free ticket to lurk because they said they would.

How does this suddenly change their scumminess? How is this helpful? And what are you hoping to achieve; limit it, or destroy it as a scumtell?

@Red: Dude, what is with the roleclaim? How is that helping town? What about TAM's RQS looked scummy to you?

[TeChNoWC]

@Potack: I was going to say because it limits the NK pool, but I was assuming that town claims would be honest claims. I guess town could be lying too.

So it's all WIFOM really.

And in light of this I am seeing Panda's claim as a discussion starter/potential reaction test. Probably town motivated.

@Soben: What in particular looks 'hollow' about Venmar's posts? Is this your first time playing with Venmar?

[TeChNoWC]

What motivation would town have to lie in terms of claiming their roles? Do you assume all Masons should claim truthfully?

1. Discussion generation, Masons wanting to hide themselves from an NK.

2. If a Mason is about to be lynched I would assume so. At this stage of the game with all the quickclaims going around, I don't think so.

@ Soben: These questions seem consistent with town Venmar from other games. Not too sure how he plays as scum though.

[line]@ Drmyshotgun: Why is Potack scum?[/line] Pedit

@ Potack: Why is drmyshotgun scum?

[TeChNoWC]

Drmy's 121 just doesn't feel genuine, and I don't like his reasoning. Potack's responses are good and drmy seems to be pigeon holing him with reasoning that relates to other players (eg Red).

Potack seems fairly pro-town to me. He seems more engaged in the argument, while drmy gives me a flailing vibe. I've seen Om (Potack) play this style before as town and I have seen it work. Also, I feel Potack is putting more on the line here. If drmy flipped town at any stage, it would make Potack look bad. Drmy doesn't seem as confident in his reads so he could weasel his way out of it more easily.

@Soben: Unfortunately most of what I know of Venmar is from ongoing games. But I have a strong suspicion he is the same in other town games. Anyone who has town meta on him could supply. But at this point, I do think he is town. His 'slip' just seemed like a grammatical error. It read to me like he was trying to say 'in addition to this, I was scum in that game'; I think that's also what Method is trying to say.

@Red: What is this reasoning you have that drmy is town? Because at this point I get the feeling he is scum, and your defense of him is the only thing stopping me voting up right now.

[TeChNoWC]

Vote: drmyshotgun

I really wanted to hear Red's response first, but fuck it. Two votes is two votes is cool.

Potack, what do make of Red? What do you think his reasoning is? What do you think of the case on Venmar?

Pedit: Yeah, Om does that, but it's the way people react that I pay attention to. Om is good for pressure. And I think Om (Potack) is doing what
Om does as town, and your case on him is shit, and your reaction to him looks scummy.

And if Potack is scum then he is putting enough attention on himself to die soon. The only thing that worries me is if this is town on town.

[TeChNoWC]

@ tech, why is 121 not genuine. i think its genuine.

Drmy looks like flailing scum not sure how to get pressure off him. Though I'm not sure how this argument started, it seems like he is attempting to grab a whole heap of things and fabricate a case on Potack, and his points on Potack were crap. I'm catching up with reading now (Iso'd Potack, need to ISO drmy next), but even without looking into it much drmy looks like the scummy to me.

also, am i scum?

You tell me, are you?

You haven't done anything that stands out as scummy to me so far, but I would like to know why you feel drmy is so town.

potack is just turning everything i say and spawning some Bs
to make it look bad. In fact, hes doing that in many games im in
atm so its actually null.

Where did Potack attack you?

@potackwhat do you mean u jumped straight into it without any thought.
for all i know you could have thought about it for ages, but
just not post 'OH IM THINKING' in the thread.
shotgun actually posting the shit, makes him lean towner.
im going with shotgun towner here

Elaborate please, because I'm failing to understand what you are trying to say here.

[TeChNoWC]

bork, why do you feel that shotty is town? If his reaction is alignment non-indicative, what towntells does he have?

And whats so bad about TAM?

Bork, your scumreads are crap. Go read meta on Om the Nom and Venmar, I strongly suggest it. Did you even read the game Venmar provided? Does this Venmar look the same as the Venmar in 399? Not to me.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... start=1250 so now you have the link, Soben and bork.

Venmar, link us to one of your townie games so we can cut this shit down.

[TeChNoWC]

Om's guts are very nice and juicy, and made of lots of potatoes.

And yes, also accurate. And the fact that a lot of my own personal reads in this game overlap with his, makes me even more confident that Potack is town and on a winning streak.

[TeChNoWC]

Bitch, I got natural swag.

(and all the girls swoon)*

Panda's right about getting more contribution out of the non-contributors. But I am pretty happy with a drmy lynch at the moment. EVEN IF he is disgruntled town backed into a corner, why is he not scumhunting? I've been in his position before as town, and when backed into a corner I don't accept defeat, I accept DEATH. Two different things. The reads and cases come flying and out and BITCH I'M NOT GOING DOWN WITHOUT A FIGHT, MY FLIP IS GOING TO DO WONDERS FOR TOWN. People who give up in this position, I find, are more than likely scum.

Then again, I tried to simulate this in 1332, it worked in conning everyone else at least if not Om

[TeChNoWC]

@Mod: I am voting drmyshotgun also

~Got that fixed. Sorry about that.

[TeChNoWC]

Yeah please replace me for the better of the game, i am sorry for all inconvenience guys.

no bro!

[TeChNoWC]

If anything I would be leaning absta-town, simply because he played like that in 1337. Then again, I don't know what he is like as scum.

Anyway, this might be useful.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... &start=775

I still think it would be best to wait for a replacement who we can get more reads out of.

[TeChNoWC]

@bork: Here is a completed scumgame of mine. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=21527

Everyone else I've played with before has been able to deal with my bold edits, so I don't see why you guys have to replace out over it.

Don't have time for much else, need to go to school.

Wow Om, this is a different you.

And yes, I found an easy solution to bold edits. It goes like this:

1.
2.
3.
4.

And so on. And then Om can bold edit it again, and the cycle continues.

[TeChNoWC]

When I play as scum I make myself feel and believe what I am saying, and I get actual scumvibes like I do when town. I don't believe that scum players don't also 'speak from the heart' as well.

[TeChNoWC]

Sorry, hit reply to early.

I think the difference is is that when scum give their 'from the heart' reads, there is always going to be a hint of indetermination in what they say, and drmy had that in his post. I'm not saying that's the be all and end all tell to who is scum and who isn't. The other factor is that the whole thing sounds contrived; it has holes, and it waffles on. It came from the heart maybe, but it still smells of scum to me.

[TeChNoWC]

When I play as scum I make myself feel and believe what I am saying, and I get actual scumvibes like I do when town. I don't believe that scum players don't also 'speak from the heart' as well.

So you agree That it came straight from the heart and that he believes in it.

So why does that make him not town?

The fact that he posted it quickly just doesn't really change my read on him. Are you telling me that, as scum, you've never done a mad rant, typed it out quickly, hit send and never looked back?

[TeChNoWC]

When I play as scum I make myself feel and believe what I am saying, and I get actual scumvibes like I do when town. I don't believe that scum players don't also 'speak from the heart' as well.

So you agree That it came straight from the heart and that he believes in it.

So why does that make him not town?

The fact that he posted it quickly just doesn't really change my read on him. Are you telling me that, as scum, you've never done a mad rant, typed it out quickly, hit send and never looked back?

It was pretty detailed for a mad rant.

I think fifteen minutes is plenty of time. In fifteen minutes I am sure any experienced player could pull off a post like that as scum.

[TeChNoWC]

Wow, guys, stop replacing out.

Morton, did you need help looking for replacements?

[TeChNoWC]

Hey Code

drmy is scum.

Bork's slot worries me because of his flip-flopping read on drmy, like he couldn't make up his mind whether to bus or protect his scumbuddy. Plus he seemed very concerned about the attention on drmy.

Potack is town, this looks very much like his townplay and I like his reads
Red is likely town
Venmar's slot is town, lines up with his townplay

Soben I am not so sure of.
And I don't like andrews flaking yet posting it up in other games.

[TeChNoWC]

Looks like I"ll mostly be sheeping Techno. Except that Soben is town.

And I'm really only kinda leaning town on him, depends on what his replacement is gunna do.

Soben's done nothing scummy. I understand his push on Venmar, it's just I don't have a read on Soben either way so he is null for me. Oh and Soben hasn't requested replacement so I'm not sure what you meant by that last line.

@Soben: most of the correlating play on Venmar is tied up in an ongoing game so I can't really comment, sorry. You'll just have to take it for what it's worth. Either way, a replacement will shed more light on the slot but so far it looks pretty town to me.

[TeChNoWC]

Meta means everything to me Code... There are more individual scum and towntells than there are universal ones. You know how I play as scum. You've played through two scumgames with me and watched how I try to avoid the noose. You should know better that I wouldn't do this as scum, which leads me to a very disturbing conclusion... You are likely scum.

"Why just these two, meh?"

Misrep. I have loads of towntells.


Your entire suspicion on me seems to be revolving around my townread on Venmar. How does that make me scum? Is Venmar scum? Or is Venmar scum simply because I am defending him? You want to potentially lynch me based on a hunch that I am protecting scum-buddy Venmar? No flip, and you are already calling out the scumteams.

My '239' is me being overly gutted. Venmar is probably my favourite person to play with on mafiascum, and I was looking forward to him being in the game. Again, this could ONLY be construed as scummy if Venmar is scum. Where's the logic? Where's the logical, calculated, 'non-smeary based on one possible tell' Code gone?

I'm guessing out the window with his lack of town role PM.

Vote: Code_X

pressure vote for now. I would still rather a drmy lynch at this stage (must be your scumbuddy since you stuck up for him, oh my!/sarcasm), but I await your post-ISO post with eager anticipation.

[TeChNoWC]

328 is extremely defensive considering I hadn't actually voted you at the time.

I'm aware of your scum game more than your town game yes. But one game I was killed about a day after you replaced in and another was the newbie game where you were cooked basically.

As far as Venmar goes I have a scum read on him and part of it is based on meta and part of it is based in this game. Your defence of him strikes me as seriously odd.

I am defensive as town, because I don't mind having it as a tell.

I realise I could be wagoned for this, but I am fully willing to take that risk given my hunch on you is pretty strong at the moment. I majorly OMGUSd you. But I majorly OMGUSd you for a reason. You don't usually play like this and that makes me think scum.

Calling someone scum for defending a scumread is BAD play, and scum do that. Calling someone scummy looking for defending a scumread? Thats fine. What bothers me though is, why not vote Venmar then?

And yes, I knew you were going to vote me. It takes few brain cells to realise I was your top scumread after that introduction post.

[TeChNoWC]

I simply cannot explain my reasons for defending Venmar. They are tied up in another game.

The only thing that strikes me as odd is that I know Venmar likes playing town more than scum (its on his wiki). Which makes me think it's POSSIBLE he is scum since he replaced out, but other things for me suggest otherwise.

[TeChNoWC]

I simply cannot explain my reasons for defending Venmar. They are tied up in another game.

The only thing that strikes me as odd is that I know Venmar likes playing town more than scum (its on his wiki).

Which makes me think it's POSSIBLE he is scum since he replaced out

, but other things for me suggest otherwise.

Backtrack ahoy!!

Misrep. That bothered me but other tells overwhelm my read on Venmar to a very great deal. And I am not providing the game. I've been in trouble before because of talking about ongoing games.

You never pidgeon hole players as town. You never give bad reasons. You analyse and give a case, and you are far less determined in your reads. That is my experience with you anyway. You seem different in this game, and it makes complete sense for a scummy to attack players with strong towntells in a setup like this. And I know you wouldn't have been silly enough to consider this already. Hence, your decision to attack me based on a strong townread is hell scummy, PARTICULARLY when I have strong townreads on other players, and other players have strong townreads on other players.

I have no issue 'sheeping' Om as you call it, because his reads are in sync with mine, he gives good cases, and I know how successful he is at tracking down scum as town.

[TeChNoWC]

~...... Yeah techno, you won't have my support on a Code_X lynch, that's for sure. He looks pretty town in my eyes, and I have no clue what you're trying to get at.

Maybe it's because I haven't played with him before, IDK, but you won't have my vote anytime soon.

That's fine. I'm more confident on drmy being scum anyway.

I'm not understanding everyone's townread on him though. Maybe I am being biased due to his read on me, but his logic + attack on my Venmar read seems pretty scummy to me.

[TeChNoWC]

~...... Yeah techno, you won't have my support on a Code_X lynch, that's for sure. He looks pretty town in my eyes, and I have no clue what you're trying to get at.

Maybe it's because I haven't played with him before, IDK, but you won't have my vote anytime soon.

How exactly does Code look town?

If you have a townread on me, and the majority of Code's posting in this game has been about me being scummy (albeit, I drew him further into the conversation, I know), then what exactly makes Code look town?

Pedit: granted, but scumhunting only limits to those we find scummy. I wasn't lax at all on scumhunting drmy; bork, more so, but I actually do fear my read on him might just be bouncing off Om, so I am not as confident. But I provided reasons why he was at least pinging my scumdar.

There has been a lot of apathy for this game and minimal scumhunting. I am now in my

ninth

active game; so if bouncing of Om's reads, who I feel was being majorly productive, is how I feel I can be most productive in this game, I won't hesitate to do so. I can't be as active as some and I give attention to games as I feel I need to (prioritize). Om had this one under control and I was happy with that. Why the fuck he has decided to flake I don't know.

Pedit: I need to go away and consider this. If everyone feels Code is town I submit that bias may be getting the better of me. Doing some rereading.

[TeChNoWC]

Last pedit was a PP-edit

[TeChNoWC]

Code, I've never seen you play as scum. I'd like scum meta if possible.

[TeChNoWC]

Wow, a lot of activity since I have been gone. One fucking night I am gone and already two fresh bandwagons.

I'll reread and post up when I get home but firstly I want to ask; what is with all this talk about masons claiming D1? Is everyone thick or something?

STOP ROLEFISHING.

Surely the merits of an andrew/drmy masonry 'softclaim' will be revealed in due time. No need to out ALL the PR's on D1 just for lols.

[TeChNoWC]

@Red: You critiqued VE's reasoning on outting the masonry.

If drmy is not the last mason as TAM claims, should the last mason out him/herself?

[TeChNoWC]

Of course they should, no point in holding back now.

Elaborate?

[TeChNoWC]

Look, I just want to end this Mason talk, and with everyone speculating about whether or not your claims are true, I think the best option right now is just to get all of you to confirm each other as partners.

I'm not liking this response.

Rolefish, or don't rolefish. Don't play middle ground.

Why is it good for the masonry to be completely honest? How will three conftowns that will all be dead come D4 win the game for town?

Pedit: he or she is the actual gramatically correct term when talking about an individual of unspecified gender. We use 'they' colloquially when referring to unknown individuals but this is actually an incorrect use of the word. Just being anal

How would it out scum?

[TeChNoWC]

All Masons are out-ed already. This conversation is over.

So TAM is trying to protect you?

[TeChNoWC]

If the Masonry aren't completely honest, we'll never know and the scum will be able to WIFOM town with it. If the Masonry are honest, the scum won't be able to WIFOM us and it will give us conf. towns to lower the lynch pool. So at this point there is literally no reason not to claim.

It would obviously out scum because then we would have had 4 Mason claims, which means one person

has

to be lying.

PEDIT: Thank you, Gunny.

No it wouldn't. Andrew claimed gunny was a mason, not gunny himself.

Lying isn't necessarily a scumtell, particularly in this situation. Lying makes all the sense in the world as town, in this situation. The supposed 'last mason' outting would not find scum at all. Are you saying someone would be CCd? This is incredibly bad logic. Drmy could definitely be a non-mason and still town.

I actually think it would make far more sense for scum-drmy to have said 'ah, andrew, what are you smoking? I'm not a mason, ima VT. Let's lynch this lying scum.'

Town drmy would more likely go along with it.

Hence, I think drmy is town either way.

[TeChNoWC]

This game, Mafia, is run on trusts. If you can't trust all of us, then, so be it.
I don't know what TAM was doing at that point, because I'm no psychic and QT is not open on Days.

By the way, Om, your fakeclaim = Scum is not entirely correct

It runs on distrust as much as it does trust.

[TeChNoWC]

I trust you guys, but I'm not everyone. As evidenced by the majority of the discussion going on there are still people who don't trust you guys.

The only reason I can think of fakeclaiming Mason as town would be to draw away a NK from a real Mason, but at this point with several Mason claims a Mason fakeclaim is stupid because the real Masons will just try to vote that person because they know they aren't their partner.

Hold up, hold up. I'm talking about the possibility of ONE mason not being outted yet, and drmy not being an actual mason. He was the only one to be doubted by the mason group when TAM said he wasn't the last mason.

Based on THIS logic, drmy is POSSIBLY lying to draw an NK, while most likely the other two are indeed masons.

In this instance, scum will kill drmy last, because they are less sure he is a mason. So his attempt to protect the last mason (if this is the case), is folly, because by the time drmy is dead, the last mason will just become a regular VT, except that they can CC scum stupid enough to claim it.

[TeChNoWC]

My logic isn't WIFOM. It's what WILL happen if you are lying. I can't see anything else but that happening.

[TeChNoWC]

Unless of course, more than just you are lying. But I would have expected a CC by now if that were the case.

[TeChNoWC]

andrew, why did you feel the need to claim so early? Can't you see how outting your whole mason team, if you are telling the truth, has lowered town's chances of winning dramatically?

You basically tipped the game by outting all the PRs.

[TeChNoWC]

Mostly my fault though.
I didn't want this either. Not sure why TAM had to out himself.

I thought andrew outted him.

How was it your fault?

[TeChNoWC]

Because I was so retarded in this game?

You could have just claimed mason individually. If you are a mason no one would CC you other than scum, and that would be great for town anyway. I don't see why andrew had to bring himself into it, but anyway.

[TeChNoWC]

Going to be tomorrow before I can post properly, just checking phone.

Tech you we're saying about your town read on Ven?

I'll explain tomorrow. It's a long story, and trust me, you'll love it.

Unvote
Vote: RBD

[TeChNoWC]

Discussion. Information.

....?

You will get your information tomorrow.

[TeChNoWC]

I am the last mason, not drmy.

I never had a townread on Venmar, I made the whole thing up. My read was null. Basically I decided to softclaim him as my mason buddy (without actually saying he was my mason buddy), so that should I flip mason, it would draw the next NK to a VT.

I thought the 'ongoing games' argument would be enough to leave it at that, and move on. Unfortunately, I didn't consider the fact that Venmar could actually be scum. I kept getting scumvibes from RBD but couldn't comment. I had dug myself a hole and had to stay there. My own doing, really.

Potack, that isn't continuing on from yesterday. You were voting McStab. Frankly I don't like this wishy washy read you had on me as scum that you NEVER backed up nor were you willing to follow through and vote me. Not the Om I know. My townread on you has severely diminished.

Andrew and I had some words in the QT last night, and he didn't want me to claim. Fuck it. I'm claiming. The whole drmy thing was an OK idea but with TAM claiming as well, what good is a last mason when his masonry is dead? So this is me claiming now.

Scums, back the fuck off. I'm conftown bitches.

[TeChNoWC]

Thank you for giving me the confidence I needed to call you scum and not worry about it.
I appreciate that.

Unless andrew and TAM can confirm this, my vote will stay nice and warm in it's car parked ontop of you.

And what do you expect is going to happen, Potack?

[TeChNoWC]

Cool beans a pro-town Tech is much better than a scum Tech.

Chrimi has to be today's lynch purely through PoE, his defence of RBD, lack of scum hunting, general play.

Town reads on the masons, panda, mcstab, ve, arg.

I need to rethink shotgun. Think he's town so that leaves chrimi, potato.

Simple.

Why a townread on Arugula?

My read on you wasn't as strong as I let on, but what bothered me was the way you didn't commit to lynching me. Why did you decide to unvote?

[TeChNoWC]

Essentially because I listened to Soben. Plus I'd explained why I felt Venmar was scummy I wasn't too bothered which one of you I voted initially.

Had a town read on Bork and RBD's push against Argula strikes me as an unlikely bus, especially because scum Chrimi hopped on.

Makes sense.

I need to do a massive reread before I post my thoughts. When conf I like to take things as slow as possible, simply because I can. So right now, no reads until I look over some things. Might even do a VCA (though not sure what help it will be with a scumflip). Also, any connections to RBD.

Code, do you think Chrimi's read on RBD was too blatant/a case of bias? Did he mention RBD at any other point than the post you quoted?

[TeChNoWC]

Frankly I don't like this wishy washy read you had on me as scum that you NEVER backed up nor were you willing to follow through and vote me. Not the Om I know. My townread on you has severely diminished.

This part is hilarious, he tries to incriminate me because I'm not acting the same way towards him like I did in another game, yet he takes no notice at how I've been acting that way to other people instead.

What's gonna be hilarious is when andrew and TAM come in here and tell you to shut your mouth, and you have to eat your words.

That's exactly what bothers me. Have you NOT been paying attention to anything I have posted? My townread on you was PRECISELY because you were posting similar towards other people. And yet you decided not to do the same with me. Why?

[TeChNoWC]

Well why are you so special that I have to act a certain way towards you?

Why am I so special that I don't get analysed like you did drmy and McStab, is the real question.

Inconsistency.

[TeChNoWC]

A) I'm feeling too lazy to do analysing.
B) You know I like to use gut, and that's mainly what my read on you consists of.

So why did you vote me today, a gutread, over McStab, who you had something tangible to work with?

Is gut more important than gut+reads? Or are you suggesting your gutread on me is stronger somehow?

And it seems odd you couldn't find anything to comment on as to why I seemed scummy other than (from memory) 'he's trying to clutter the thread' (not your exact words but that was the sentiment I got from you telling me off about discussing the masonry shit). Odd indeed, when Code had stuff to say about it.

And if you DIDN'T think you had anything to pin me on, doesn't that tell you something about your gutread?

[TeChNoWC]

*'it' being my potential scumminess, for clarification.

[TeChNoWC]

I knew TeCh was last mason from his words yesterday.
I have to thank him for going with the flow. I'm not sure what we achieved. But oh well.
More later.

It would have worked better if I hadn't of chosen Venmar to buddy with, and make myself look hell scummy.

Oh well. Live and learn.

At least we have three masons alive D2, and a scum dead. Could be worse.

[TeChNoWC]

I want to lynch Shotgun.

DUN DUN DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUN!!!!

I had a scumread on him yesterday but let it go because he was shitting up the thread with Potato. However, given that he was shitting up the thread with Potato, AND fake-claiming masons AND is scummy as fuck, I want him out of my town.

This doesn't make drmy scummy. Town would have plenty of motivation to go along with said gambit, and I actually do feel he is telling the truth when he said he could tell I was the last mason. He didn't attack me for probing, he tried to placate me and shut down the conversation, and hinted that I should 'accept' the current climate. The way he did it felt pro-town to me, but I do harbour some of TAM's suspicions.

Either way, why are you not commenting on the Chrimi wagon? And why were you so worried about my hammer yesterday?

[TeChNoWC]

I realize my hammer was a bit abrupt. Drmy is right, last words from Soben might have been helpful, I just hadn't considered it. Plus I didn't want to give scums more time to think I was a mason. Had they picked up on my softlclaim, and NKd me last night, I would have flipped mason and all hell would have broke loose on andrew and TAM. Me hammering quickly killed scum + gave scum a reason to hesitate on NKing me, if they had picked up on my softclaim, because they would have been looking at the delicious opportunity that I wasn't a mason and that my actions could get me lynched. I may have been overanalysing this, but if my actions were detrimental to town, I apologize.

I have to go by what I see in the thread, too. I just knew two people who were town other than myself and now so do you. Of course I give a shit.

I just don't like your quickvote on drmy. Why is he scummy for claiming mason after a real mason claimed it for him?

[TeChNoWC]

Code.

I mean this without being condescending (my play was pretty shit, yours wasn't too bad, but you saying my reads were shit PREFLIP I didn't like one bit);

next time don't be so quick to palm someone's reads off just because you disagree. Yes, SUPERBUSSING DOES HAPPEN. And TAM, I was really happy with the way you repped my reads, but you missed a very vital, key point; not sure it would have changed anything, but I was right.

My death pointed slightly to Arugula scum.

[TeChNoWC]

I know I fucked up big time and understand the hate.

All I can do is learn from the game.

No hate bro, just don't sell me short next time. I know I played shit but I didn't play as shit as you made out.

I just got really annoyed with everyone calling the masons idiots and what not. We weren't the best masonry but we tried our best. Andrew tried to protect me. I did what I thought was right with limited information. TAM did well to contribute to discussion. And none of our reads were more horrible than anyone elses. If reads were 100% all the time, we wouldn't have the game of mafia in the first place! So don't be so quick to judge next time.

Only thing I regret with a passion was my quickhammer.

[TeChNoWC]

Much love for Arugula's play, but I do think it was the doublebus that won the game. So whoever inistigated that (if it was Rainbowdash), gets the MVP.

Town MvP seems to be Soben, but I am actually thinking Code. Despite bad reads end game, he pushed both scumlynches early on.

Pedit: Glad we aren't all hating each other despite some of the shitflinging that happened in this game. Saying it now, the men will forgive and forget, while those of poor character will continue blacklisting.

RBD, I sort of understand your Venmar blacklist (it seems to me he replaced out simply because he didn't want to be mafia), but I don't think it's a good enough reason. If this is the case (I don't want to jump to conclusions), Venmar will learn soon enough that people will meta the shit out of his slot and mods won't let him play games. I'll talk to him. Go easy, is all I request.

[TeChNoWC]

I'm on RBD's side regarding venmar.

Venmar replaced out as scum when he was getting heat. that's so fucking unethical. I'm definitely not going to be playing with him again.

Town replace out under heat too.

I fully understand the criticism and agree with it (to an extent), but everyone deserves second chances. Like I said, I'll talk to him, and it won't happen again.

Pedit: why not? You had him lined up as the next lynch end of D1. You had good reads D1.

[TeChNoWC]

Ah, after Chrimi lynch, gotchya.

And yes, I agree. Except probably Arugula

[TeChNoWC]

Town replace out under heat too.

thats bad too.

True.

I'll stick to my promise though and talk to Venmar. If you guys decide you don't want to play with him anymore; well, I have to admit it is understandable given the circumstances.

[TeChNoWC]

Sure.

http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/Zk5s9BNihbs

[TeChNoWC]

God yes, Soben ftw.

[TeChNoWC]

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Mod, delete this post and get a site mod in here quicksmart to ban this user. I just noticed him spamming in another game.

[TeChNoWC]

I let chamber know already.