Meta Playstyle Mafia(Game Over, Town Wins!)

[PeregrineV]

Confirm.

[PeregrineV]

Stuck on tablet now, but will commandeer a computer before I go to bed tonight.

[PeregrineV]

@Nacho- I see your online- can you give me a quick catchup, or at least highlights?

[PeregrineV]

@Nacho- I see your online- can you give me a quick catchup, or at least highlights?

i will give you a quick catchup if you promise not to be a lurkfuck

Game started Wednesday and day1 ended Thursday. New day started yesterday. Weekends are bad for me.

You got anything useful?

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matt, if chk rolls in and explicitly claims a guilty, then i'll explain
otherwise, there's no need

You have to explain before he does because:

A) his role is obv more important
B) You should be locked into a claim over him so you cant tailor your claim

Matt, If you're on right now, can you give a quick catchup/highlight?

[PeregrineV]

Ok, if I get it, Matt is lightning rod, Bitmap Survivor, chk claiming Nacho-scum, Om claiming lynch-2-scum-for-great-goodness, Matt part-time conditional multi-shot ultra-vig.

Did I miss anything?

[PeregrineV]

chkflip neighborized me last night
he's not a cop of any flavor
and he's town

We all argue over who Mehdi should daycop. Nacho immediately suggests Trollie, which I call him out for because Trollie is obvscum and is a much weaker scum player than Mehdi, so scum would love to throw Trollie under the bus to save Mehdi, seemed like opportunistic crap that was a shitty, nonsensical way to utilize a daycop from town perspective. Interestingly, Nacho has ignored any future discussion about this matter

i suggested trollie because two-shot day cop is a broken combination with lightning rod, and scum-medhi was going to claim guilty regardless of who he targetted, which made his investigation useless, so the only thing it would be useful for is seeing who had the better scum pr
and then medhi ignored my suggestion completely, which tells me it was a pretty good suggestion
then i got excited because i thought toog was an unlimited PGO
also never ignored discussion. i didn't respond to you because i wanted venmar to respond before you did

What happened in the QT that made chkflip come out with a scum read on you?

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@Toog- would your death by nightkill be considered a "result"? It may be stretching the rules and definitions of results, but would be badass if you get to be BP as well.

[PeregrineV]

didn't post much in the qt even though he recruited me to prove my towniness to him/help him with reads

So did he call you scum at any point in there? You don't really seem surprised by his accusation today.

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@Toog- would your death by nightkill be considered a "result"? It may be stretching the rules and definitions of results, but would be badass if you get to be BP as well.

probably better if scum don't know if he's bp or not, don't you think?

Actually, I expect he'll ask the mod, get a answer, and then say whatever would WIFOM the scum the most.

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didn't post much in the qt even though he recruited me to prove my towniness to him/help him with reads

So did he call you scum at any point in there? You don't really seem surprised by his accusation today.

not explicitly.
i was less surprised, more impressed.

Why would you be impressed, esp. if he is wrong?

[PeregrineV]

We're letting this guy go?

What happened in the QT that makes you think Nacho is scum?

[PeregrineV]

No, we had 5 posts in the QT, which i could post for you but they really weren't that interesting. I ended up ditching him halfway through the convo

Why?

[PeregrineV]

fos: peregrine

No, I need someone that can talk.

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I think MattP is actually scum.

This is a good platform for my question.

I need everyone to give me a MattP percentage for what you think is his alignment.

From 100% scum to 100% town.

Or better yet, scum/town percentages.

If MattP is 100% town, then give him a score of 0/100.
If he is scum, 100/0.

Go!

[PeregrineV]

I can actually see Mattp being scum solely from experience.

This is derailing though, we still get a scum lynch in Trollie if this is the case so idk why Bitmap is fucking with us.

This ain't a number. I have a formula I'm trying out.

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@PV: Uhh probably like 50/50. I have reasons why I think he's scum but as a survivor, I rather shut my mouth and not post anything useful.

Mine is for a mafia formula I'm working on. If you want to convince anyone of your position, you'd probably have to give those reasons, but I just need the numbers from you.

So, thanks!

[PeregrineV]

37%

Is that 63/37 scum/town, or 37/63 scum/town?

[PeregrineV]

MattP Scum/Town Ratios

ArcAngel9
maestro
Guy_Named_Riggs
Bitmap- 50/50
roflcopter
The Acting Method
Lurker
MattP
Maenara
Elmo TeH Anz
Om of the Nom
JacobSavage- 37/63
chkflip
TheTrollie
Voidedmafia
venmar- 20/80
Nero Cain
Toogeloo
Nachomamma8

[PeregrineV]

I am. We all got things we need to do a certain way.

[PeregrineV]

so I'm not gonna say I'm sure matt is town, but I see very little reason to think hes scum right now.

Throw a number out as to how town.

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what is the scum-strat to claiming 1-shot lightning rod?

It's not a role commonly given to scum, so he wears town pants for many days.

If his play is town, the claim will reinforce the town perception of him.

He won't be lynched since, if we believe the claim, he's going to suck up a NK, so we don't want to waste that.

Chances are good he won't be investigated, since with his claim at least one night he's going to pull all actions to him anyway.

If he's scum and lasts for a couple of days, depending on the lynches, it might be all scum need to win.

[PeregrineV]

But I don't want to invoke the wrath of the mafia on me though...

You're 1-shot BP, remember?

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@Peregrine - How do you explain the no-kill last night then? Why would the scum try to NK Mattp?

If you think he used the lightning rod ability, then I would argue he would be dead.

Recent Large Theme Example of Lightning Rod: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p4556120

[PeregrineV]

But i will play the game after i get an answer to this question:

What's your number?

[PeregrineV]

I'm just a lightning rod

liar

Maybe he doesn't mean as his role, just his playstyle.

[PeregrineV]

Mattp said he didn't use it. My question is, why is he still alive Peregrine? And why was there a no-kill?

Probably doc protected him if he was the target. Or Roleblocker blocked the scum killer. Or some other reason, but those are the most common.

Why do you think?

[PeregrineV]

Mattp said he didn't use it. My question is, why is he still alive Peregrine? And why was there a no-kill?

Probably doc protected him if he was the target. Or Roleblocker blocked the scum killer. Or some other reason, but those are the most common.

Why do you think?

The mafia no-killed?

Why would they do that?

[PeregrineV]

Mattp said he didn't use it. My question is, why is he still alive Peregrine? And why was there a no-kill?

Probably doc protected him if he was the target. Or Roleblocker blocked the scum killer. Or some other reason, but those are the most common.

Why do you think?

- The roleblocker one is much more less likely. Don't you think the scum would want to kill Mattp if he was town? He didn't use his power so it's more realistic to think he was protected.

Yeah, that's usually the reason, but only if Matt was last night's target.

[PeregrineV]

Town Asshole

Seems legit

1 less to lynch
3 day-vig shots
Miller
1-shot BP

And how do you win again, exactly?

[PeregrineV]

If anyone responds to Bitmap from this point onward ever they are scum claiming

We still need his vote, under penalty of being lynched.

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We still need his vote, under penalty of being lynched.

Why do we need his vote? Would we need a scum's vote?

If he is 3rd party but can win with town, he votes as directed or gets lynched and loses. If he is 3rd party but needs to be last person alive, he's already lost, so he votes as directed or we lynch him. If he's idiot town, he votes as directed or we lynch him. If he is scum, he votes as directed or we lynch him sooner rather than later.

[PeregrineV]

Anyone else who has played with OmNom before think his day play has been retardedly scummy for his meta?

Gosh I find the time to defend you against all the attacks you could at least return the favor.

Don't forget your Matt ratio number.

[PeregrineV]

Damn, this game has gone to shit...maybe I should replace out just to see what would happen since I've used up both my PR X-shot abilities...

889

[PeregrineV]

i dun have one PV

Is Matt town or scum?

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Bitmap will just use his BP power and save himself so Jacob will be just wasting his shot. We kill 100% scum Bit today and get Mae a PR then we kill Trollie the next day.

889

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STFU PV

Can't.

[PeregrineV]

If anyone responds to Bitmap from this point onward ever they are scum claiming

Wow, that's quite high voice you got there...

889

[PeregrineV]

i dun have one PV

Is Matt town or scum?

he could be either, but there's no use trying to get me down to an exact number based on how much i lean either way, i'm not good at things like that.

You can use words.
Null= 50/50
Slightly=+10
Pretty=+20
-Ish=+30
Pretty much=+40
Guaranteed=+50

[PeregrineV]

MattP Scum/Town Ratios

ArcAngel9- 30/70
maestro-STFU
Guy_Named_Riggs
Bitmap- 50/50
roflcopter
The Acting Method
Lurker
MattP
Maenara
Elmo TeH Anz
Om of the Nom
JacobSavage- 37/63
chkflip
TheTrollie
Voidedmafia
venmar- 20/80
Nero Cain- 40/60
Toogeloo
Nachomamma8

[PeregrineV]

PV-What do you think?

I like this question.

About what?

[PeregrineV]

Jacob, shoot Bitmap. I think he's legitimately scared you will shoot him, he might not have a bp vest.

Bitmap just votes along with Toog today or gets lynched tomorrow.

[PeregrineV]

Can we just fucking lynch Trollie now?

Jacob can pop a cap into his caboose.

[PeregrineV]

PV-What do you think?

I like this question.

About what?

You were asking everyone about what you thought about Matt P but I didn't see yours.

I think Matt is town, but I don't want that to affect my formula, or people's honest opinions. I'm leaving my opinion (and Jacob's) out of the equation, so that should prevent that.

[PeregrineV]

@Nacho- 889

[PeregrineV]

MattP Scum/Town Ratios

ArcAngel9- 30/70
maestro-STFU
Guy_Named_Riggs
Bitmap- 50/50
roflcopter
The Acting Method
Lurker
Maenara
Elmo TeH Anz
Om of the Nom- sounds like 50/50
JacobSavage- 37/63
chkflip
TheTrollie
Voidedmafia
venmar- 20/80
Nero Cain- 40/60
Toogeloo
Nachomamma8

[PeregrineV]

MattP Scum/Town Ratios

ArcAngel9- 30/70
maestro-STFU
Guy_Named_Riggs
Bitmap- 50/50
roflcopter
The Acting Method
Lurker
Maenara
Elmo TeH Anz
Om of the Nom- sounds like 50/50
JacobSavage- 37/63
chkflip
TheTrollie- 5/95
Voidedmafia
venmar- 20/80
Nero Cain- 40/60
Toogeloo
Nachomamma8- 10/90

[PeregrineV]

Nacho didn't say a fucking word. Thanks for wasting my role.

VOTE: NachoMamma8

Probably cause he's scum.

Vote: Nacho

[PeregrineV]

Nacho --> Maenera --> GNR --> Nero Cain --> Roflcopter

I also have no problem following Matt's preferred lynch order either. I want Nacho and Maenera to claim at the very least, if not all 5 of them tbqh.

[PeregrineV]

hey I asked to sub in this game before you threatened to withhold your undying love if I did not sign up for yours.

looking at the list of dead players it looks like town is in good standing. who should I be sheeping?

if someone could give me the tl;dr version of things that would be great.

why the nacho votes

1. ArcAngel9
2. maestro- claimed town Oracle, pretty well confirmed existance of Miller and SK.
3. Guy_Named_Riggs
5. PeregrineV- town
6. roflcopter- claiming post restriction
7. The Acting Method
8. Lurker
10. Maenara
11. Elmo TeH Anz- claiming pirate
12. Om of the Nom- claiming something which is now something else because we lynched two scum in a row. It's in the last few pages.
13. SoraAdvent/replaced by JacobSavage day 2- claimed vig, or something else towny
14. chkflip- claimed neighborized Nacho who didn't talk much. Nacho claimed too much vino kept him from QT. chkflip says Nacho silent overnight
16. Voidedmafia- has picture posting PR but can talk a little in wall posts
18. venmar
19. Nero Cain
20. Toogeloo- Confirmed Town
21. Nachomamma8- neighborized by chkflip

There might be more.

[PeregrineV]

Venmar, your post read like you were hinting at it. Both of those are good lynches, but TAM is (in my experience) never this quiet. 16 posts in 51 pages? Insanity.

- What about TAM's power role claim? I find that to be indicative of TAM town than TAM scum if anything, or reckless town.

That's by the way something Peregrine missed, TAM claimed lurker cop after being "vigged" by Bitmap.

I did miss that lie.

Here

Just in case Bitmap is being legit, which means I'm dead.

Sora Advent or whoever it was who replaced them is confirmed Innocent. I am the "Lurker Cop" presumably from my n00b game play where I'm usually very active and against lurking. (Irony.)

Note for my ability to work I can only investigate those who post LESS than 5 times in a single day.

It doesn't work when there are 5 people or less left.

Excuse me if you lot are writing five million miles per hour and I'm trying to catch up

[PeregrineV]

And

unvote.

Need the claims first.

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by the way, anyone have a redirector role? I got the wrong result for my investigation. (and I can tell because I did do some checking up to see how many times a player had posted before making my decision.)

Well, what result did you get night1 from what target. And night2?

And how do you know you got the "wrong" result?

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So you have 1 gunsmith investigation left right?

Also I am brought to mind a certain game involving Nacho and Maenara and the idea of Popcorn Lynching. Discuss

Never heard of popcorn lynching. What is it?

[PeregrineV]

What is the case on Nacho by the way?

He was unneighborly. and a MattP scumread.

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@Maenera

- Gonna go ahead and counterclaim you. You did not visit Matt night1.

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@Nacho

- come play.

[PeregrineV]

@Maenera

- Gonna go ahead and counterclaim you. You did not visit Matt night1.

Any other results to back up your claim?

Yes, but we are playing this smart. I think we have enough town remaining that if I die we'll still be OK.

Two people visited MattP one night1. Neither one was Meanera.

[PeregrineV]

MOTHERFUCKER....

Okay we lynch Maenara then?

Actually, going to give it a short time to see if Nacho is going to get counterclaimed.

You're a watcher Peregrine?

Verily.....

[PeregrineV]

Peregrine

How are you.

Lovely day am I right?

Okay, who went to Mattp?

[PeregrineV]

Let Nacho catch up first. He may want to hear this.

[PeregrineV]

OK. Now the full results. ON both nights, Matt was the player I selected to watch.

Night1:

Aside from myself,

Nacho

and

Venmar

visited Matt
There was no kill night1.

Night2

: Aside from myself,

Nacho

and

The Acting Method

visited Matt
MattP died night2, but there was no expected Party on the Patio of every power role, which I would have expected had Matt actually used his lightning rod ability.

So, Maenera is lying.

If Matt used Lightning Rod, then there are people missing from having thier night action redirected to Matt.
If Matt did not use Lightning Rod, then one of TAM or Nacho killed him.

So, Nacho is lying.

[PeregrineV]

Oh, right I should claim.

I am the Town Jailkeeper. Night 1 i protected Mattp because I knew he wasn't going to lightning rod. Night 2 I jailed Nacho thinking Mattp will pull me into him and save him but that clearly didn't happen. Nacho either cant be blocked, or there's somekind of a strongman, or I was blocked myself, idk.

This was a reason I didn't claim day1. I didn't want to out myself and a doctor to catch one scum.

With the Bitmap death and the Trollie lynch and all the Matt activity from night1, if Matt used LR, I expected to see a party. If he didn't I expected that scum would take another shot at him.

Right now, tending to go with no use of the LR, and TAM also lying.

[PeregrineV]

OK. Now the full results. ON both nights, Matt was the player I selected to watch.

Night1:

Aside from myself,

Nacho

and

Venmar

visited Matt
There was no kill night1.

Night2

: Aside from myself,

Nacho

and

The Acting Method

visited Matt

MattP died night2, but there was no expected Party on the Patio of every power role, which I would have expected had Matt actually used his lightning rod ability.

So, Maenera is lying.

If Matt used Lightning Rod, then there are people missing from having thier night action redirected to Matt.
If Matt did not use Lightning Rod, then one of TAM or Nacho killed him.

So, Nacho is lying.

UPDATE:

Night1:

Aside from myself,

Nacho

and

Venmar

visited Matt
There was no kill night1.

Night2

: Aside from myself,

Nacho

and

Venmar

and

The Acting Method

visited Matt
There may or may not have been a nightkill.

Nacho still lied.
Maenara still lied.
Matt may or may not used his LR, but if he did, then it makes sense that Venmar-Jk would be re-directed to him, protecting him.

Also explains why TAM was there.

[PeregrineV]

So yeah... this is really stupid because apparently Monkey didn't even count my role last night... and if he had he said Mattp would still be alive. I don't like how the mafia get a free kill out of this but I suppose it's the only thing he could've done.

This means that one of the two people on Mattp, either Nacho or TAM, are the killers because it's confirmed Mattp would've lived if my power was actually counted. It's probably Nacho because i'm pretty sure he tried to kill Mattp on Night 1 as well but was stoped by me. I couldve done it again if.. well you know.

But you did, n2, for sure send in Nacho are your target?

[PeregrineV]

Perhaps the friendly dayvig can shoot the other one....

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I can see if they're there or not
basically it's like a weak rolecop i guess

So you are a 1-shot Reporter?

A Reporter can check a player's house to find out if they are home. Anyone doing something during the night is not home, so they get a positive result if they do not target anyone and are not targeted by anyone, and a negative result otherwise

[PeregrineV]

22 players
1 sk-scum means 21 players, so normal would be 5 mafiascum

2 dead+2 upcoming dead means 1 left. I think.

[PeregrineV]

1. ArcAngel9

2. maestro

3. Guy_Named_Riggs

5. PeregrineV

6. roflcopter

7. The Acting Method

8. Lurker

10. Maenara

11. Elmo TeH Anz/replaced by pirate mollie

12. Om of the Nom

13. SoraAdvent/replaced by JacobSavage day 2

14. chkflip

16. Voidedmafia

18. venmar

19. Nero Cain

20. Toogeloo

21. Nachomamma8

Everyone bold green is confirmed town with the exception of Chkflip, who is very likely to be town.

Everyone bold red is probably confirmed scum.

Everyone in bold orange are either leaning scum or scum.

Everyone in bold blue is null.

Anyone disagree with my summary?

Actually pretty good with it. Lurker's miller claim minus a full cop may need to change his color to orange, but all of the green feels right.

Good news is with a short day, TAM will have all of the blue/orange to check out.

[PeregrineV]

Vote: Nacho

[PeregrineV]

@Toogeloo - His role checks out with Peregrine's watch. We know mattp used his power cause I was pulled so Matt wasn't blocked.

We know TAM is power, that is all we know. Like I said, he could be Mafia "Insert Power Here," and got pulled in just like you did. And if you can't RB Matt with your Jailkeeper, it's pretty safe to assume that a Mafia Roleblocker can't block it either.

If Nacho flips goon, then TAM may be worth a second look. Menara claimed PR, but didn't show up to the Matt party, so she may just be a goon also. With Mafia Framer and Mafia Rolecop flipping, either there are 1 to 0 mafia PRs left if they believed Matt's lightning claim and didn't act (doubtful).

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@Voided- Where's your Nacho vote?

[PeregrineV]

@Voided- Where's your Nacho vote?

Just out of curiosity, what is the name of your role?

[PeregrineV]

lol Maenara stop flailing. It doesn't suit you.

I think you have them confused.

Nachomamma8- todays's lynch=

Meanara- vig or tomorrow's lynch=

[PeregrineV]

I guess I'll go with the rest on this one.

If Nachomamma flips town I'm going to be annoyed.

VOTE: Nachomamma

Also I will say, I love the premise of this game, but the execution needs some work.

you'll see why i'm so frustrated in just one moment, i'm sure

So do you want to claim something other than dayvig?
Or claim that you didn't target Matt?

[PeregrineV]

I was V/LA over the weekend (the entire night phase). I submitted no action.

16 players, 9 to lynch, Maenara's got 6 votes.

Vote: Maenara

Now 7.

pedit: now 8.

[PeregrineV]

Also, reading the flavour text of the death implies that the gunman wasn't from the mafia.. which means the gunman must've been a vig. Which can only point to JacobSavage, which makes me think " HMMMM WTF IS THIS SHIT ".

Unless the mod is fucking with us. You know, that's possible.

Anyways, let's lynch the obvious scum

Vote: Maenara

Since there was no mafia kill, who did you JK last night? Did you protect or RB?

[PeregrineV]

I watched Toog last night, no one visited him. It was a tossup between him or Venmar, but figured they'd want confirmed town gone first if they have any chance of winning.

@Voided- what kind of plan are you looking for?

Vote: Nero Cain

[PeregrineV]

1. ArcAngel9

2. maestro

5. PeregrineV

6. roflcopter

7. The Acting Method

8. Lurker

11. Elmo TeH Anz/replaced by pirate mollie

12. Om of the Nom

13. SoraAdvent/replaced by JacobSavage day 2

14. chkflip

16. Voidedmafia

18. venmar

19. Nero Cain

20. Toogeloo

Whats your source to confirm the green's are confirmed townies?

I'd like to hear your own hypothesis about why the green are confirmed town. If any are not, in your eyes, you can mention that too.

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@TAM- I C U.

Results for last two night, por favor.

[PeregrineV]

If there is a night,

I'm in favoring of shortening night deadlines once all actions are received.

[PeregrineV]

PegregrineV(Town Watcher)
*logical and not prone to emotional outbursts.

My PM said something similar, as did Mehdi. That part cracked my up

Peregine likes setup spec and is calm + logic type.

Good job town at not imploding!!


Thanks for running, Monkey!!!