The Wire, Season 1 - Final Credits!

[kuribo]

Camn I was about to tell you to go fall in a hole but I see where Dan already told deas he had claimed out

Wendell Orlando Blocker, x-shot neighborizer, with my sole neighbor being dead right now.

Anything else, sit on it till I get home and read this crap you people have been derping

[kuribo]

Sole neighbor is deas, not dead. Fucking autocorrect.

[kuribo]

Vote: CDB

I don't have anything to add to what's been said.

I could also go with Kuribo/ActionDan today - the whining and replacing out gives him a decent chance of being scum.

Also this is a proven incorrect statement about replacing out, and I find it hard to believe zdenek actually thinks this.

[kuribo]

Okay so he's just vomiting derp, gotcha

[kuribo]

@mod: I'm shown having two votes against me, but only cerulean is listed. Is this VC accurate?

In other news I'm caught up to page ten.

[kuribo]

26 pages into being caught up, but I'll save my thoughts for when I finish after I get off work

[kuribo]

judging the flips we've had since day 1, i'd reckon scum SAD would have to be A+ fucking stupid to say this:

Nah the east-side people are not that important in s1. I can see 3 cops + like Bubbles as a traitor to the cops + Omar as an SK.

just saying, I'm not feeling him as scum, like, at all

[kuribo]

oh and while i'm here:

@Deas: In the neighbor QT, you asked ActionDan if he wanted you to claim.

Why did you ask him this if you apparently suspect my slot? Why did you apologize in the QT for accusing him?

[kuribo]

And as I read I'm seeing alot of people seeing petapan as scum.

Seriously? peta? the guy's a fucking troll. He probably masturbates while he thinks of new ways to fuck with people.

Opportunism at its worst among the peta-haters, and I gotta figure out which ones are legitimately stupid and which ones were just trying to figure out the best mislynch.

[kuribo]

Oh, and since Deas never answered me:

The Neighborhood has daytalk. Are we assuming scum have daytalk too?

(this is important when re-reading)

[kuribo]

My vote sat majority on SAD yesterday and went no where, it seemed wasted.

wasted vote when scum was lynched?

[kuribo]

like, wait, jason, you're bitching and moaning that SAD wasn't lynched yesterday


but scum was lynched... uhhh...?

[kuribo]

Ben's town, his play here feels close to his play in Weather Mafia II

[kuribo]

Day 1, Votecount 32

Shadoweh (1) - Kise
JasonT1981 (3) - BT, TheGreatestAmericanHero, Zdenek
SafetyDance (1) - ChannelDelibird

ActionDan (4) - SafetyDance, Ser Arthur Dayne, The Mini-Librarian, JasonT1981

Zdenek (3) - camn, Nostredeus, DeasVail
absta101 (1) - Shadoweh
camn (1) - absta101

TheGreatestAmericanHero (4) - sottyrulez. ActionDan, Plessiezarus, Benmage

Not voting (1):

Cerulean

• With 19 alive it takes 10 to lynch.
  
• Deadline is on 6th of February at 5:30pm GMT
  
• Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2013-02-06 13:30:28)
  
• CDB and SafetyDance are V/LA.

Poking CDB since it's been 3 days since he's posted.

lol dan wagon picked up steam just as Hero-scum was going down in flames

[kuribo]

sotty reading as scum as a result of his attempt to deflect the hero-wagon onto dan

[kuribo]

also, if you believe dan's scum, you'd have to believe he seriously wouldn't realize his role wasn't a counter-claim to Zdenek's

that's a pretty stupid gambit to pull, even for dan

[kuribo]

I'm not sure how likely it is that both roles exist in the game though...

Scum posting - trying to cast doubt on the possibility without taking a stance.

If you think it's unlikely, say why.

So ummm, do you believe Dan's claim?

yeah definitely sotty scum here, trying to feed into the cc confusion

Vote: Sotty

[kuribo]

up to page 38, got some house cleaning to do

[kuribo]

wasted on my end, meaning my vote wasn't doing anything on SAD at the time. I moved it to Dan, but that wagon broke down in the end before I got back online. I still see both SAD and Action Dan as scum... wasted vote just meant it wasn't doing anything on them at the time.

yeah but you didn't want absta or Hero lynched either

When hero was at 9 votes:

argh, still not sold on this lynch....

I don't see Absta going today... I could honestly go for either of them tomorrow though as good lynches

[kuribo]

hm for some reason i kept thinking that absta was the day 1 lynch / traitor and hero was the night kill


@camn, this is not a loaded question, but: in this game, do you murder people at night as a member of a third party?

[kuribo]

because as scum, he'd almost certainly keep that information to himself if we're in fact dealing with 3 cops and a traitor. Bubbles did flip traitor, which means that it's probably as he said: 3 scum + traitor, and an SK.

* the death of a scum at night implies either a vig or SK
* flavor suggests an SK
* the death of a traitor implies an under-manned scumteam with the traitor thrown in for balance, ergo, likely 3
* a 3-man scumteam plus traitor would make sense with an SK, but with a vig, you'd probably have to go 4 scum and a traitor

SAD is probably correct, or at least close, in his assessment of the setup. However:

to assume a gambit in which he flat-out tells the town the setup... that assumes a level of self-smugness that I don't feel SAD is capable of.

It would almost certainly invite scrutiny if it started to look like the setup was going that way--- if SAD was scum, he didn't need to say any of that stuff about the setup.

[kuribo]

well, i mean, you have to say that because you're scum and you need to leave SAD available for mislynch

[kuribo]

flavor suggests an SK

I don't think the flavour suggests any such thing.

And you think a SK would be daft enough to waste a kill on absta? Knowing how lynchable abstra was? Really?

~ Pless

how lynchable he was? but he didn't get lynched. and someone obviously killed absta, "wasting" a kill

and i never watched the wire, but i did look up Omar (i have a steam friend named Omar Comin' Yo) and if any character was ever perfect for serial killer, there ya go

[kuribo]

unvote

dunno what drugs I was on this morning, but ISO'ing sotty, I don't see at all what I thought I had

[kuribo]

kuribo why are you under the impression that the mafia knew their traitor?

hm for some reason i kept thinking that absta was the day 1 lynch / traitor and hero was the night kill

[kuribo]

I dont do anything as a third party this game.

oh so you're a survivor?

[kuribo]

Cant think of a better reason to lynch someone. We cant have that in endgame if we wanna win.

yeah, well, he replaced out, and then so did dan, and now you're stuck with me


dan said in the neighbor QT that he felt bullied by you, but you've played with me before and you know I don't get bullied

[kuribo]

and you can't think of a better reason to lynch people than the fact that they troll?



funny, i always felt lynching scum was better


guess you'll just have to NK me tonight, eh Dr. Lecter?

[kuribo]

@Kuribo: is there a reason for this camn 3rd party push?

if I was pushing her, I'd be voting her, come on man, you know this


i'm suspicious of her as a serial killer, and I'm questioning her. big difference

[kuribo]

hero pushed jason with such singular intensity that unless you believe it was a powerbus, they're not scum together

[kuribo]

if I was pushing her, I'd be voting her, come on man, you know this


i'm suspicious of her as a serial killer, and I'm questioning her. big difference

rephrase. Why are you suspicious that she's a sk?

because when person A spends all day trying to get person B lynched and fails, but then person B turns up dead overnight, it raises questions in my mind

[kuribo]

Kuribo - what's your read on Cdb?

CDB gives me pause because he poked at absta very gently in the RVS, and then had nothing to say about him as the day went on, even though there was a push on absta at several points.

[kuribo]

Not a fan at all of nostredeus' vote on Sotty.

do you believe it's possible that nos saw what I posted about sotty and figured perhaps he'd hop on that wagon?

[kuribo]

lol @ kuribo's selective scumhunting towards an SK.

try again, i'm not DGB

I'm hunting all flavors of scum, and in fact on the very last page thought I was on to sotty as scum and realized I was retarded



just because you're town doesn't mean you can't pull your head out of your ass

[kuribo]

and I'm still waiting for Deas to come along and answer the question I asked him several pages ago

[kuribo]

kuribo what do you think of 115 where TGAH hopped on the Nost wagon and put it higher than the other wagons at the time.

he didn't, he was the second vote on the wagon at a time when shadoweh had five votes

[kuribo]

i mean, seriously, SAD, there's a votecount like four posts down from that for fuck's sake

and I know you know I wasn't SK hunting because A- you've already shown that you know I questioned Nos' motives, and B- You commented as below indicating you had read my posts where I was hunting for mafia:

kuribo why are you under the impression that the mafia knew their traitor?

I mean, seriously, are you drunk?

[kuribo]

camn just happens to be the only person besides sotty that responded to my questions, kinda like how I'm only talking to you right now because you're the only one responding at the moment

still waiting on Deas, still wanna know Ceru's answer to my question about Nos, would like for Nos to respond to that as well

[kuribo]

Why did you ask those questions in here instead of the QT? (Especially considering the nature of the first one)

because:

1) re: daytalk--- at the time I posted it, I wasn't aware that the town had already decided that faraday gives daytalk frequently. and on the whole, a neighborhood having daytalk isn't that big a deal, but I wanted your opinion regarding whether it meant the scum had daytalk as well

2) regarding the claim question--- you seemed to waffle at times about Dan's alignment, and I wanted the town to know you had offered to out your role. Not that I thought you actually WOULD have outted your role to him, but rather that you had offered and he had turned it down. I asked you in here because until I invite more people to the neighborhood, you and I are the only witnesses as to what goes down in there. And our alignments aren't known to one another.

That said, I'm still leaning town on you. I'm keeping in mind that game where we were scum together, and your play here feels more genuine.

[kuribo]

Isn't invoking someone else's meta as an argument ridiculous? It'd be kinda like saying "kuribo claimed bulletproof in Catch-22 Mafia, therefore all bulletproof are scum"

[kuribo]

Omg classic, scum reading their predecessors iso. ScumQT, you name it. Why is he alive?

IT'S THE FUCKING NEIGHBOR QT THAT YOU ALREADY ACKNOWLEDGED THE EXISTANCE OF IN THAT VERY POST



for fuck's sake ben

[kuribo]

***Did I miss this, but does the neighborhood have daytalk?

and yes, it has day talk as I already said, you illiterate fuck

[kuribo]

.

I don't do fake anger, I get pissed when players that I know are good decide to say and do stupid things. As you well know from playing with me in Weather Mafia II.

I expect people like SAD to act stupid, you're better than that.

[kuribo]

like, you seriously discussed the neighbor QT that Dan had

then you called him town


then you called me scum for mentioning the VERY FUCKING QT that you were just discussing


are you even reading?

[kuribo]

Omg classic, scum reading their predecessors iso. ScumQT, you name it. Why is he alive?

IT'S THE FUCKING NEIGHBOR QT THAT YOU ALREADY ACKNOWLEDGED THE EXISTANCE OF IN THAT VERY POST



for fuck's sake ben

I don't understand... You were going to tell Camn to shove it... Then you realize YOUR SLOT has already claimed, and simply re-claim....

That's my point. You read your slots iso to see he claimed, no?

no, he told Deas in the neighborhood QT that he had claimed, you idiot

I read the neighbor QT before I read the thread since the QT was like 15 posts

[kuribo]

And I don't respond to "Oh, claim in your next post" because that's fucking retarded, and if I hadn't already read the QT, I absolutely would have told camn to stick it in her ass

[kuribo]

finding petapan scummy is like shooting fish in a barrel and you should be ashamed of yourself for clinging to that

[kuribo]

ADan... told DV he claimed in the QT?

What the fuck is the point of that?!?!?!

i don't fucking know what the point is, after the game is over and I've mocked you endlessly in the dead QT, you can try and ask him

[kuribo]

I'm not going to doubt it because DV can confirm it. But why the fuck would I know that ADAN in the Neighbore QT said he claimed in thread... Moreover it's a retarded thing to do as DV would know he claimed in thread, we all fucking knew he claimed in thread.... that why He didn't die. But to restate that in the neighbor QT wtf...

How would you know that Dan said it in the neighbor QT?


"READ BETWEEN THE FUCKING LINES" BEN, AS YOU SAY


I specifically said "HE TOLD DEAS"

If it's not present IN HIS FUCKING ISO, or IN THE FUCKING GAME WHICH I HAD NOT READ YET, then it implies that HE TOLD HIS ONLY FUCKING NEIGHBOR

jesus ben, do you remember WM2 when you derped and derped and derped and derped about how I might be a scum coroner?


this ranks way fucking higher on the stupid meter. get your fucking shit together.

[kuribo]

^the dead qt is old scum move. Go join MoI on the obvscumtable.

THEN FUCKING LYNCH ME AND I'LL FILL THE QT WITH WORDS OF FUCKING HATE FOR YOU

[kuribo]

DO IT FUCKER, I DARE YOU

[kuribo]

five years, five fucking years not being mislynched before LYLO, you think you can pull this shit off?

I want you to, Ben, by all fucking means, but you damn well better be scum if you get this

[kuribo]

HIS


FUCKING


NEIGHBOR



YOU STUPID SHIT


god

[kuribo]

i seriously can't tell if you're scum here clinging to what used to be an easy mislynch or if you've TAKEN UP CRACK SMOKING IN YOUR FUCKING SPARE TIME

[kuribo]

see, and this is why i shoulda fucking stayed retired


i try to be nice to people, i try to be fucking nicer and somewhere along the way, some illiterate shithead has to just drive me over the edge as always

[kuribo]

You and me, Ben, one on one, fucker

Vote: Benmage

I flip town, you string this scummy piece of shit tomorrow


alternatively, camn can just serial kill your sorry ass

[kuribo]

ANY VOTES NOT FOR ME OR BEN IS TANTAMOUNT TO A FUCKING SCUM CLAIM

[kuribo]

"Fluff spamming?" again, you've played with me before, you scumfuck, you know I post alot


but it doesn't matter now because I'LL BE WAITING FOR YOU IN HELL

[kuribo]

I'M READY FOR ASCENSION TAKE ME INTO YOUR KINGDOM OF TORTURE

[kuribo]

You're scum because you're clinging to an easy mislynch

And you don't want to 1v1 me because you know I'll flip town and they'll rope your stupid ass tomorrow



MORE VOTES ON ME AND BEN PLEASE

[kuribo]

Can't you guys go take a smoke break or something? Just step away from your keyboard a bit.

i'll do you one better and go fill my gut with cheap vodka

[kuribo]

and TML, you're doing it wrong, I don't see a vote for me or ben in that post

[kuribo]

hey ben, it's awful damn funny you decided to throw down your vote before you were finished catching up[

[kuribo]

If I was acting here like I was in WMII as you stated.
And I depred in WMII with you, as you are claiming I am here.
How did I suddenly become scum?

Your ridiculous attempt to push my wagon is pretty fucking scummy, dude.

[kuribo]

The 1v1 is you just puffing your chest... I've never seen a 1v1 go through.

I have, and it damn well better this time, too.

[kuribo]

kuribo, in the world where I aint scum

Unfortunately for both of us, this world is not the one in which we were born



Lynch me, then lynch him.

[kuribo]

The 1v1 is you just puffing your chest... I've never seen a 1v1 go through.

I have, and it damn well better this time, too.

Link

It was lost in the crash. LLD went 1v1 with AurousVox. Town lynched LLD Day 1, lynched AV Day 2. Both were town.

And before you start "oh boo hoo hoo hoo he says it was lost," a likely story it's actually confirmable. Llamafluff was in it, though I don't remember who else.

[kuribo]

shut the fuck up when grownups are talking

[kuribo]

that may have been a bit harsh

i meant to type, "SAD, why aren't you voting for either me or ben?"


the keys are like right next to each other

[kuribo]

then who DO you want lynched?


i mean, you won't help me lynch scum, you won't help ben lynch me


it's time to shit or get off the fucking pot, man

[kuribo]

And as I said before. Yes you post a lot. But you gave MEEEEE, if you thought I was scum an easy excuse to tunnel with you and have some big ranting tangent game wasting antitown blackhole of a mess. Which I've done successfully many times before as scum. No sir. Just saw a game get blackholed and fubar'd.

so you did exactly what you would have done as scum?





sweet, one rope over here please

[kuribo]

You're supposed to have some reads.

All mine flipped.

yah, that's what tends to happen when you night kill them, Dr. Lecter

Agreed. It tickled me when he replaced in I think a real townie would have just told me to shove it BEFORE reading. But I like giving kuribo a little rope to play with, you know?

even ben admitted that he had misunderstood what I said, so my question to you is "are you illiterate?"


jeez, camn, just stab me and stick me in your freezer tonight or whatever you wacky serial killers do

kuribo

if neither you nor I become viable wagons, do you have other suspects? (Sorry if you've said this... but are you fully caught up with the thread)

Yes, I'm caught up:

Alright alright, spam only cause noones here to talk.

@kuribo

In the first part of WMII (the crashed part) We went toe to toe.... And you derped at me a whole fuckton. I actually reversed my read relatively early midgame on you.
****What helped was you giving me some actual reads. Look dude. Your slot is horribly scummy. Give some reads. Stop puffing your chest. You know, I know... everyone knows there won't be a 1v1. So help me help you help me, and drop some reads porfavor. 3 town, 3 scum if possible.

AND The coroner thing... I had you down as conftown for a long time.

-In fact it was you who started second guessing me as scum toward the endgame. Despite me being a boss from D1. Despite me dayvigging Reck. The game does have a certain similar feel to this one. Probably just because I think I was only in that game at the time, and therefore very committed... Just as I am being a boss in this game.

IF you're town, and that's a big if, my strongest reads are as follows:

Hell, I'll even do you one better and give you one of each

Town
SAD
Zdenek (obviously)
TML
DeasVeil

no idea why I find TML town but something just feels right about his posting. SAD, I would basically never, ever, ever be down to lynch unless it's a three-way between me, him and Zdenek. Zdenek because I believe his claim. Deas and I were scum together once, and his play here is unlike his play in that game.

Scum
Nos
Camn
still somewhat on sotty
something still not sitting right with CDB

Nos feels inconsistent at times. I still think Camn killed her top scumread last night, whether as SK or vig or whatever I'm not sure. But if she's SK, that fact will reveal itself if the game is still going when the scum have been lynched, so I'm not willing to rope her yet. sotty, even though I may have derped on one of my reasons earlier, I still get an uneasy feeling about him. Either sotty or jason feels like likely scum to me. CDB just feels off. I've played with CDB before, I can't put my finger on it, it just seems off.

I don't like BT's latest post, though I have to ask:
@BT: Have we played together? I keep thinking we've played together.




ohh and if CDB is scum, i guess I get to congratulate myself on being his counterwagon

[kuribo]

one of each

* four of each




now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to stop reading what you idiots are typing and watch the LAPD kill this guy in the woods

[kuribo]

Kuribo, you think Camn can be either SK, or scum?

she's either SK or town, her interaction with absta would require incredibly ballsy bussing

b/c

unless it's a three-way between me, him and Zdenek.

is legit wrong.

how the hell do you figure that?

[kuribo]

I know I'm town.
Zdenek, barring Jason as scum is 100% mod confirmed town


if LYLO is you / me / him, that makes you scum


how is that legit wrong?

[kuribo]

may as well vote one of my other scum reads if I'm gonna be his counterwagon

Unvote
Vote: CDB

Ben's probably town, arguing with people who are being idiots tends to cloud my judgement

[kuribo]

SAD, swear to me that when I flip town, you'll lynch at least one of the people on my wagon

[kuribo]

here you go, have fun reading my meta

WWE Attitude 2.0 Mafia (scum loss)
Revoution Mafia (town loss)
Catch-22 Mafia (scum win)
Chrono Trigger Mafia (town win)
Team Mafia 2012 (town win, though all of my reads were pretty much wrong)
Gaben Mafia (town loss)
Gay Mafia (scum loss)
Weather Mafia II (town win)

I left out Author Mafia (scum loss) and Polite Mafia (town loss) because they were heavily post-restricted games. Left out Artemis Fowl and Rollin in the Deep (scum win) because the ends were lost in the crash (town loss). And I left out Democracy Ho! because fuck that game.

[kuribo]

here you go, have fun reading my meta

People ought to take a look at Catch-22.
1. He's as spammy there as he is here.
2. He's arrogant, calls himself town, yells at anyone who suggests otherwise... calls everyone an idiot.
3. *******Note post 620 where he tries to do a ME OR HIM move with Slaandar. (sounding familiar?)
4. The point. Don't let his AtE antics change that scummy slots read. Without me forcing real content out of kuribo he's content to do nothing but belittle.

I'm at fucking Jury Duty.. FML.

you're conveniently ignoring the many town games where I did the exact same thing, and the fact that I specifically did that in catch-22 to play to my town meta

spamming and murderous rage isn't an alignment tell for me, it's null

Weather Mafia II- I had the most posts of anyone and almost got force replaced for screaming at UberNinja
Revolution Mafia- Second only behind Llamarble, caused MattP to flip his lid by invoking the Holocaust
Gaben Mafia- Second most posts, screamed at Sir Arthur Dayne and Umbrage
Quack Mafia- Had the fifth most number of posts despite being in the game for about 1 1/2 game days, replaced out at the request of the other players.
Aftermath Mafia Most posts, despite dying Night 3. Was called scummy by the scum team for my rage.

So, by all means, Ben, take your half-ass meta assessment and stick them sideways in your half ass.

Zdenek, barring Jason as scum is 100% mod confirmed town

Whats the connection between Jason and Zdenek?

Zdenek msg'd me last night.

shit, you're right, my bad

[kuribo]

and the me or him with Slandaar was more about the fact that people were threatening to replace out because of my behavior (and Glork and Slandaar actually did)

[kuribo]

not to mention I legitimately don't like Slandaar

[kuribo]

no, you posted acting as if it's a scum tell, when it's not

I freely admit that I'm aware enough of my meta to manipulate it. But your "look at how he played in this one game" is ridiculous. Sure, I emulated my town style in Catch-22. Who the fuck wouldn't as scum? I also powerfucked the busses on my own scumteam and drove them into the ground in Catch-22. But in Gay Mafia, I buddied my scumteam all game, and even counterclaimed masons with my partner. In Catch-22, I buddied the vig, but in WWE Attitude Mafia, I tried to get him lynched. Hell, I even claimed bulletproof in back-to-back scumgames, figuring no one would do the same shit twice.

[kuribo]

maybe I'm just annoyed at the fact that if I had known that fucking Downs baby petapan held the slot before Dan, I would have never replaced in

I hate replacing idiots, it's why I don't replace Elmo anymore

[kuribo]

holy shit, it's almost like I bitch endlessly with little regard as to whether it's providing content. probably because part of me doesn't enjoy playing mafia

hell, I haven't even wished I was a dayvig yet


fuck i wish i was a dayvig


BT, they can't ALL be scum, obviously. As I've pointed out, at least one of my strongest town reads is on the wagon.

I need to get my head in the game, I'm probably missing something critical and the scum's probably just watching me and ben tear into each other


fuck, it's probably someone I'm ignoring like Cerulean or Pless

[kuribo]

you guys are forgetting that if they didn't know there was a traitor yet, it's entirely possible they thought they were in multiball on day 1

[kuribo]

But I don't think we're that good to have pinned the scumteam with the other three, so idk at least one should be scummy town?

How many scum are left?

[kuribo]

I was assuming three + traitor + SK, but thanks for the inside info

[kuribo]

hmmmm


balance would still indicate a team of 3 + traitor and SK though

4 +1 would make 25% of the game the scumteam, and that's too much

town would have to have some serious firepower to overcome that, and the inclusion of a third party would bring the town to an even greater disadvantage


hm

however, if the SK's a vig, then that truly would make it 3+1 or 4+1, bringing us back to 20% (standard) or 25% (requires role madness, and might not even be balancable)

Traitor offsets overpowered scumteam SOMEWHAT, buuuuuuuuuut


....


scumteam of 4+1 wouldn't have a BP if the other killer is vig. if the other killer IS an SK, then scumteam definitely has at least one BP, and the SK is probably at least one or two shot immune

We know scum had a tracker, a fairly weak role


it's almost certainly 3+1 +SK by my estimation, based on the fact that we've already seen a VT (goon) flip

[kuribo]

but then again, the friendly neighbor is a pretty powerful role too, it carries even more weight than a cop would


hm. i gotta think about this before I decide if Pless just slipped up and told us something they shouldn't have

[kuribo]

then again:

21 players were in Aftermath Mafia (which i linked earlier) http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=19355

ending was lost in the crash, but the scumteam was SpyreX, elvis_knits, hohum, Kublai Khan, and Fate as a traitor. Scumteam had a poisoner (who could be saved if one of the town sacrificed themselves). Town had no vig, but did have two trackers (me and DGB) and a Beloved Prince... and I think a doc? Or maybe a self-sacrificing doc? I don't remember.

with 20 players, remove the poisoner and a 4 scum, 1 traitor scumteam is suddenly viable again. maybe. i keep meaning to get better at setup figuring

[kuribo]

wait, hohum wasn't in that game, it was Shattered_Viewpoint (NS) as the other scum partner

I got that mixed up with Red Dead Redemption for a second, in which hohum was scum

[kuribo]

^What's the relevance of this?

meaning it might be harder than I thought to look for associative Day 1 tells

Like, say the scumteam was 3 +1 traitor

If you're in a 19 person game, and there's only three of you, and you know your scumteam is named "POLICE" or whatever... wouldn't you naturally assume multiball?

I would. Named scumteam, less people than expected? Yeah, I'd assume multiball.

In which case we should also consider the idea that they may have been scumhunting on Day 1 as well--- looking for people who may have been on the "other" team.

Now, if it's FOUR and then the traitor... not so much.

I wouldn't ordinarily consider the idea of Four +traitor, but the way Pless worded his earlier post got me thinking.

I'm still not done with that, by the way Pless

[kuribo]

Guilty conscience, or? So you knew I misunderstood, but purposely straw-manned to side-sweep an attack, or?

better question is, why did he confront you about it when I had already made a much snarkier response?

got me wondering if Pless avoided me and answered Dayne out of fear he'd be dragged into a shouting match with me

[kuribo]

And kuribo's focus on his 1v1and set up spec instead of actually scumhunting isn't helping clear up that slot.

hi, try reading the last 5 pages or so instead of pushing the 1v1 thing


thanks in advance

[kuribo]

may as well vote one of my other scum reads if I'm gonna be his counterwagon


Unvote
Vote: CDB

Ben's probably town, arguing with people who are being idiots tends to cloud my judgement

may as well vote one of my other scum reads if I'm gonna be his counterwagonUnvoteVote: CDBBen's probably town, arguing with people who are being idiots tends to cloud my judgement

[kuribo]

the "set up spec" is part of the scumhunting, captain literacy

[kuribo]

Your setup spec just like your 1v1 read as a distraction, and I don't think either are very productive nor do they help me with my read on your slot.

Well, we've already established that you're illiterate.

You could try moving the goalposts ad poo-pooing attempts to catch scum as a distraction.

Shit, wait, that's exactly what you're doing. Fuck outta here with that bullshit.

[kuribo]

Yeah, because he's easier to lynch than me?

[kuribo]

This means you think you might have caught the REMAINING THREE scum in that list.

That was exactly the point I was making until Cerulean decided it was pointless "setup spec."

[kuribo]

Just saying I think scumreads would do the job a tad better than what you're doing now.

and I've never claimed to be GOOD at scumhunting. Hell, I won exactly TWO town games last year. All year, mostly because my reads were crap. That's why I retired.


In fact, In Polite Mafia, I actually helped lynch scum by voting one of my null reads, figuring that everyone I was tunneled on was probably town.

[kuribo]

I still want to know who your reads are, can you sum them up for me?

Seriously? Are you paying attention?

[kuribo]

You're supposed to have some reads.

All mine flipped.

yah, that's what tends to happen when you night kill them, Dr. Lecter

Agreed. It tickled me when he replaced in I think a real townie would have just told me to shove it BEFORE reading. But I like giving kuribo a little rope to play with, you know?

even ben admitted that he had misunderstood what I said, so my question to you is "are you illiterate?"


jeez, camn, just stab me and stick me in your freezer tonight or whatever you wacky serial killers do

kuribo

if neither you nor I become viable wagons, do you have other suspects? (Sorry if you've said this... but are you fully caught up with the thread)

Yes, I'm caught up:

Alright alright, spam only cause noones here to talk.

@kuribo

In the first part of WMII (the crashed part) We went toe to toe.... And you derped at me a whole fuckton. I actually reversed my read relatively early midgame on you.
****What helped was you giving me some actual reads. Look dude. Your slot is horribly scummy. Give some reads. Stop puffing your chest. You know, I know... everyone knows there won't be a 1v1. So help me help you help me, and drop some reads porfavor. 3 town, 3 scum if possible.

AND The coroner thing... I had you down as conftown for a long time.

-In fact it was you who started second guessing me as scum toward the endgame. Despite me being a boss from D1. Despite me dayvigging Reck. The game does have a certain similar feel to this one. Probably just because I think I was only in that game at the time, and therefore very committed... Just as I am being a boss in this game.

IF you're town, and that's a big if, my strongest reads are as follows:

Hell, I'll even do you one better and give you one of each

Town
SAD
Zdenek (obviously)
TML
DeasVeil

no idea why I find TML town but something just feels right about his posting. SAD, I would basically never, ever, ever be down to lynch unless it's a three-way between me, him and Zdenek. Zdenek because I believe his claim. Deas and I were scum together once, and his play here is unlike his play in that game.

Scum
Nos
Camn
still somewhat on sotty
something still not sitting right with CDB

Nos feels inconsistent at times. I still think Camn killed her top scumread last night, whether as SK or vig or whatever I'm not sure. But if she's SK, that fact will reveal itself if the game is still going when the scum have been lynched, so I'm not willing to rope her yet. sotty, even though I may have derped on one of my reasons earlier, I still get an uneasy feeling about him. Either sotty or jason feels like likely scum to me. CDB just feels off. I've played with CDB before, I can't put my finger on it, it just seems off.

I don't like BT's latest post, though I have to ask:
@BT: Have we played together? I keep thinking we've played together.




ohh and if CDB is scum, i guess I get to congratulate myself on being his counterwagon

Like, I know you read this post because you responded to my question in it. And you're still pretending like I don't have reads.

I know I'm town.
Zdenek, barring Jason as scum is 100% mod confirmed town

Replace Jason with Benmage to account my confusion.

Ben's probably town, arguing with people who are being idiots tends to cloud my judgement

If you're gonna bitch and complain that I don't provide content, don't fucking ignore the content and then complain that I don't provide content.

[kuribo]

Then, THEN, when I try to question Pless, it gets shit all over as "setup spec."

[kuribo]

I agree with sotty on that, his vote against Kise isn't really opportunistic--- that would imply that he's hopping on Kise because it's a viable wagon.

BT, tell me: How is sotty's vote opportunistic?

[kuribo]

PEdit: It is a viable wagon because people have been mostly null reading the slot. Probably the easiest wagon to form now compared to others because some people actually seem to be against them (nost, sotty, sad etcetera).

The fact that the wagon on CDB (and also my own) has stalled worries me.

With two people down, scum would hesitate to bus (especially if there are two left). However, there's also the possibility that scum are hanging back from what they would know to be town flips and letting the town tear into one another. (yes, that includes me) Why be seen pushing a town wagon when the town is doing it themselves? I'm worried that scum aren't even on my wagon, figuring I'd alienate enough of the town to get strung.

@Zoneace, DeasVeil, Kise: Why aren't you guys voting anyone? Like, I get that Kise and Zone need to catch up, but Deas, you're here. And Kise, what's taking so long? I had to slog through 40 pages of crap, too: but I didn't wonder aloud why I hadn't been lynched for it.

@Nos: Odds are no one is lynching sotty right now, and if they don't then you're wasting your vote. Who's your next suspect?

@CDB: Same question

@TML: Where the hell are you?

[kuribo]

TML, you're not really "pushing it forward" though, you're just kinda running on idle while I yell at people

[kuribo]

from the post you quoted:

sotty, even though I may have derped on one of my reasons earlier, I still get an uneasy feeling about him. Either sotty or jason feels like likely scum to me.

[kuribo]

Yeah, I read that. Why the uneasy feeling?

My suspicion on CDB is mostly gut and the fact that over the last five years, I've played a couple games with him. This just feels wrong. Add to that, his earlier questioning of "Those that say I just seem off are gonna have to do better," and now his admission that he's not really scumhunting? Kinda shows cognitive dissonance. But mainly, I want to know why he's been constantly nudging jason toward a lynch. And if he's explained already, I apologize, but I don't recall.

CDB: Congratulations, you're a 3-shot Dayvig. You may only use those shots in your next post. Who would you shoot dead, right now, and why?

[kuribo]

That's where I'm at, only with Kuribo.

I told DeasVeil in the Neighborhood QT that I sincerely want to take a shit on your living room furniture. I meant it too, if you could just PM me your home address.

[kuribo]

I don't think it's dissonant to say "Those that say I just seem off are gonna have to do better". It's not like focusing on people talking just about me when in a big game is a new thing for me and it's certainly not as if I should have to explain what's off about me instead of them. It's their opinion, let them justify it if they want to vote me.

But, my point is that you acted as if you didn't understand the scrutiny... and then explained you weren't actively scumhunting.

[kuribo]

So who's the scum on your wagon?

[kuribo]

see, now THERE'S the CDB I expect to play with.

Unvote

and I totally get the whole thing about having to defend yourself rather than scumhunt. This town seems to have a hard-on for ignoring attempts to scumhunt while continuing to attack.

I was asking about Sottyrulez.

I didn't like the seemingly willy-nilly vote-hopping on Day 1. I didn't like the interaction with Dan where he accused Dan of being "secretive." (Something as blatant and confirmable-by-someone-else as who he fucking neighborized?) Like, I wouldn't have bothered hiding it, but I can see where Dan would think that he needed to keep it to himself, especially if he thought he was counter-claiming someone. But when he accused Dan of this, he voted Jason. Didn't like that. And the vote-hopping has continued on Day 2. It seems like he's just not willing to commit to a wagon. That sits poorly with me, especially from a hydra, who presumably have a QT amongst themselves for getting their shit together. Although sotty does, as I say, make me uneasy, I do happen to agree with a few of their points. Sotty isn't the best lynch for today.

I don't like how TML came along when his name was finally mentioned, it looked like he was willing to let the leading wagons go along without any input from himself.

This is exactly correct.

Zar

didn't

want get into a shouting match with you; he's played with you before and found that experience quite tedious enough. (In fact, he has made multiple posts in our QT telling me to avoid replying to you. This thread has been cruelly robbed of some heavy-handed sarcasm as a result.) Zar's not a complete idiot, in other words. Why would anyone want to get into a shouting match with you?

I miss petapan

Yeah, because he's easier to lynch than me?

Yeah, sure, people dislike your posts because you're "hard to lynch" . That must be it. It isn't because of the bad-tempered and unfunny self-aggrandizement at all. Well done.

You say tomato, I say potato. Being afraid of having attention drawn to you is not a town mindset. Look at Ben, did he just "avoid replying?" Newwwwp.

Remind me again which game(s) I've played with Zar?

Peta being easier fodder is just a happy bonus prize, then?

Not ready to write you off as scum, though, because I'm very well aware that at times, some people find me insufferable. Lucky for you guys, I'm about to leave for the day.

[kuribo]

@Mod: shit, messed up my quote tags. that post should read:

see, now THERE'S the CDB I expect to play with.

Unvote

and I totally get the whole thing about having to defend yourself rather than scumhunt. This town seems to have a hard-on for ignoring attempts to scumhunt while continuing to attack.

I was asking about Sottyrulez.

I didn't like the seemingly willy-nilly vote-hopping on Day 1. I didn't like the interaction with Dan where he accused Dan of being "secretive." (Something as blatant and confirmable-by-someone-else as who he fucking neighborized?) Like, I wouldn't have bothered hiding it, but I can see where Dan would think that he needed to keep it to himself, especially if he thought he was counter-claiming someone. But when he accused Dan of this, he voted Jason. Didn't like that. And the vote-hopping has continued on Day 2. It seems like he's just not willing to commit to a wagon. That sits poorly with me, especially from a hydra, who presumably have a QT amongst themselves for getting their shit together. Although sotty does, as I say, make me uneasy, I do happen to agree with a few of their points. Sotty isn't the best lynch for today.

I don't like how TML came along when his name was finally mentioned, it looked like he was willing to let the leading wagons go along without any input from himself.

This is exactly correct.

Zar

didn't

want get into a shouting match with you; he's played with you before and found that experience quite tedious enough. (In fact, he has made multiple posts in our QT telling me to avoid replying to you. This thread has been cruelly robbed of some heavy-handed sarcasm as a result.) Zar's not a complete idiot, in other words. Why would anyone want to get into a shouting match with you?

I miss petapan

Yeah, because he's easier to lynch than me?

Yeah, sure, people dislike your posts because you're "hard to lynch" . That must be it. It isn't because of the bad-tempered and unfunny self-aggrandizement at all. Well done.

You say tomato, I say potato. Being afraid of having attention drawn to you is not a town mindset. Look at Ben, did he just "avoid replying?" Newwwwp.

Remind me again which game(s) I've played with Zar?

Peta being easier fodder is just a happy bonus prize, then?

Not ready to write you off as scum, though, because I'm very well aware that at times, some people find me insufferable. Lucky for you guys, I'm about to leave for the day.

[kuribo]

Kuribo doing more setup speculation than looking for scum... hmmm

I already explained my scum-hunting reasons for the "setup speculation."

hmmm wtf? you spend pages ranting at him, yet say he is confirmed town now, am I reading this right?

No, you are not. I said that Zdenek is town UNLESS Ben is scum.

ytour 'content' is non stop ramblings and setup spec, you have done 0 to look for scum

Even if that were your opinion, I've still done more in this game than you, captain awaypants.

not really opertunistic, but I would like Sotty to go deeper with this.

Alright, in summing up at end of page 60.. CDB is coming through pretty bad the last few pages, but I still think SAD/BEN/Kuribo is the best lynches today.

Hopefully will catch up on the rest tonight before I head off.

Your reads are exactly counter to mine, I read CDB as more town than ever in the last few pages, and I don't want SAD or Ben lynched either.

before Absta got ruthlessly vigged,

no matter how many times you call it vigging, you're still a serial killer

[kuribo]

headed out for the day, I'll come back tonight and look over a few things

[kuribo]

@Jason- If you're "caught up," why did you ignore the posts I directed to you. Further, what is it that you find scummy, keeping in mind that you and I have played several games together. And further, I've played in numerous games that you yourself have moderated. We both know you're not stupid, and we both know you're not ignorant of my meta.

I'm moving my vote to BT.

I'm well aware that I'm the mislynch of the day, and I've come to peace with that. There will be words of hate one day for the town on my wagon. I'm slipping in my old age, not the scumhunter I used to be, and you know what? I'm fine with that, too. And even if I'm not lynched, we all know camn's just gonna stab me to death tonight anyway.

Hell, I wish I *was* scum in this game, because at least if I were scum, I'd get to have fun fucking with the town in my death throes.

Vote: BT

@Kuribo: is there any other reason you have for thinking SAD is town than the traitor thing?

Yes. His posts feel like he's genuinely scumhunting. I feel it hard to believe that he, as scum, would draw so much attention to himself with the roleplay shenanigans on Day 1--- even when asked to stop.


In short, lynch me or serial kill me, either way release me.

[kuribo]

I need to stop drunk posting

funny you mention that, i'm about to start

[kuribo]

I find it interesting to note, all the shouting he has done.. Kuribo doesn't even have a vote down.

CDB and Camn need to get their votes of BT and onto Kuribo or SAD.. maybe Kise at a stretch

i just FUCKING VOTED BT


for fuck's sake

[kuribo]

and you and I both know damn well I would have never unvoted CDB if I were scum



kuribo derailing his own counter-wagon, that'll be the freakin' day.

[kuribo]

Fuck it, I am going to get drunk and watch NASCAR from Daytona

come have jello shooters with me

[kuribo]

I find it interesting to note, all the shouting he has done.. Kuribo doesn't even have a vote down.

CDB and Camn need to get their votes of BT and onto Kuribo or SAD.. maybe Kise at a stretch

i just FUCKING VOTED BT


for fuck's sake

Yea i see, if you look you will see our posts were both at the same time (11.45pm) so when I was posting, you did not have a vote down.

11:45pm what the fuck kinda voodoo time are you on

[kuribo]

@Jason- If you're "caught up," why did you ignore the posts I directed to you. Further, what is it that you find scummy, keeping in mind that you and I have played several games together. And further, I've played in numerous games that you yourself have moderated. We both know you're not stupid, and we both know you're not ignorant of my meta.

Because I have tried to answer everything, and I will end up just repeating myself, everything you have asked, that I can tell I have already covered and your lazy ass needs to read. If I have 'missed' something, please re-ask them in bullet points, but if it was the question as to what I find scummy... I suggest you read as I have answered many times..

Your accusations boil down to:

* behavior of my slot (not shit I can do about that)
* screaming (lol like you've never seen me get caught up yelling at someone and get distracted. and people may not like it, but the argument did help me get a read on Ben)
* "setup speculation rather than scumhunting" (as i explained that the 'setup speculation' was part of my scumhunting--- I wanted to know if Plessie had slipped with knowledge they shouldn't have)
* "not done any scumhunting" (except that I have, as noted above)
* Voted CDB based on "gut" (at the time, CDB wasn't posting, and my gut was all I had. And when the wagon on him picked up steam, he came up with content that satisfied me)

[kuribo]

The difference is that people may not like my playstyle, and I'll grant them that. Hell, even I don't like my playstyle most of the time. But Jason is very well aware of my style, having watched me tunnel on town in screaming matches in several games that he moderated.

[kuribo]

There is one (1) way of interpreting the last part and that is that you believe there are three remaining scum. With TGAH and absta, that means a total of 4 + traitor.

That's exactly what I said, but then everyone decided I was engaged in idle "setup speculation" rather than scumhunting.

[kuribo]

Pless - how many of these people do you think are town?

kuribo
Kise
JasonT1981
ChannelDelibird

Well, we're both confident on Jason being town at this point. We don't have a town read on any of the other three.

But I don't think we're

that

good to have pinned the scumteam with the other three, so idk at least one should be scummy town?

:shrug:

~ Zar.

Followed by

I'm assuming we'd have four with a traitor? idk?

~.Zar

The first post implies that three out of the four people listed could be scum, or rather the "entire" scumteam. He didn't say that he thought three of them might be scum, he said that he didn't think he'd "pinned the scumteam" with three out of those four.

Then he said "four with a traitor."

So, my issue with the post is "pinning the scumteam" followed by the use of the word "with"

THEN, possibly trying to backtrack:

absta + X + X + Traitor = 4. A four player scum-team PLUS a traitor would be OP in a 19 player game IMO.

Because with two members down, letting us assume they have less people than they do--- that could be key to their victory. Especially if (and only if) the SK is actually a vig--- they'd need town looking for the SK rather than a remaining scum once four people are dead and the game is still going.

Hence all the "idle setup speculation" on my part. I wanted to figure out if there's balance in 4 + a traitor and town having a vig, rather than 3 + a traitor and the existence of a third party.

And as I showed in Aftermath, if the town has a vig rather than the killer being an SK, 4 + a traitor is entirely possible.

[kuribo]

BT, you must type faster than me

[kuribo]

You pushing this along with me doesn't help, either~

I was pushing it before you, remember?

[kuribo]

If you guys are just going to cockblock every attempt I make at scumhunting, then just lynch me and get it over with.

[kuribo]

and here's the thing, I firmly believe that my wagon has stalled simply because scum is refusing to take part.

Smart scum knows that I'm often kept alive as long as possible to help them mislynch


so either lynch me, or let camn shoot me, or what the fuck ever, but stop saying "he's not scum hunting! get him!" and then not getting him. And stop saying "he's not scumhunting," and then "THAT'S not scumhunting! Get him!" because you're just moving the fucking goalposts at that point.

[kuribo]

And before some idiot derps up "Oh, but BT is in your wagon, kuribo"

he's ON the wagon, but he's not really PUSHING the wagon, now is he?

[kuribo]

Someone asked about my read on Dan last night... I touched on it in one of my spoiler posts, but I did get a thought it could be scum vs scum trying to distance from each other to make each other look town in the event of the other fliping scum (in regards to the Kuribo/Dan thing) and that is why he is in the scum pile more than anything.

And when I flip town, where does that put your scum vs. scum theory?

[kuribo]

I don't get your complaints, either. I'm arguing that you claim to be at least trying but there's no indication of that. Go ahead and tell me what you tried doing in the psat few days.

* Tried to figure out if Pless scum slipped
* Helped pressure CDB into providing content
* Asked numerous questions of numerous people
* Sat and listened to you morons accuse me of distracting the town every step of the way.

Fine. I'm a distraction, whatever. My play here has sucked. Optimal town play right now is to fucking lynch me and remove the distraction, so get on with it.

[kuribo]

Kuribo: No final reads?

I've already given my reads, captain literacy.

Every fucking time I post my reads / ask anyone a question half the town starts attacking me for it. It's damn near impossible to scumhunt with people saying, "Oh, whatever, that's not scumhunting, you're scum."

[kuribo]

BT, I'VE ALREADY GIVEN MY READS

I'M NOT GOING TO FUCKING INVENT MORE THAN WHAT I HAVE JUST TO LET YOU PRETEND TO BE TOWN

[kuribo]

again with moving the fucking goal posts

[kuribo]

Its been even longer since Nos posted but I don't see you complaining about that

[kuribo]

And did you just call my Lynch suboptimal?

[kuribo]

Come to think of it, do you even have a read on Nos? Most of the time you seem to mention him in passing.

[kuribo]

My point was that if you're annoyed at kise for not posting, shouldn't you be worried about Nos? Sure, Nos was plenty active day 1. And you say that's where you mostly get your town read. How do you view his participation, or lack thereof, today?

[kuribo]

If I were to say Nos seems to be trying to play it safe, what would you say? What makes him town to you?

[kuribo]

In fact BT, suppose I told you Nos only mentioned absta four times on day one? And one of them was to say that absta probably was just having a hard time keeping up like himself?

Is that what makes him town? Is it the mass naneclaim? Because there's no way he was testing the waters for a fakeclaim, right?

Mmmhmmm he's about as town as you. Go to your QT and tell him that 38 posts ain't cutting it.

[kuribo]

Good catch about the kise thing dotty. Keep It up and I might let you bang my sister. (She's into people who are really town)

[kuribo]

Hey BT, if you really believe I'm scum, then who's my buddy / buddies?

[kuribo]

Same question for you, Dr. Lecter. Errrr I mean camn.

[kuribo]

You know, if I'm getting lynched as I expect, I'd rather one of you power fuck me instead of this pussy wagon that's going on

[kuribo]

I mean seriously, of the people on my wagon, one finds me just annoying, and two are barely here. And BT is scum.


Shits just coasting down the hill.

[kuribo]

And the fifth person in my wagon has been VLA for almost a week.


Come in guys,don't make me a deadline compromise Lynch. If your gonna do it, at least give me the dignity of being pushed instead of floated.

[kuribo]

@BT, Nos feels like he's playing it safe at times. Day one was okayish, but day two just seems like he wants to tunnel sotty while agreeing with the town. Then the disappearing act.

Cerulean, my scumread on BT is stronger. I'd rather rope scum than a legacy lurk. BT or Nos are where I'd place my vote.

[kuribo]

Because the only people on the wagon with you have been AWOL.

[kuribo]

Hey BT, if I'm scum, then who's with me?

That could go for anyone on my wagon, really. Difference is BT isn't even pretending that Im more than an annoyance. / information Lynch.

[kuribo]

If scum was going to counterclaim someone, they would do it directly rather than lolololol similar names. How was the timing of that a last ditch ploy? With two scum buddies down? Please. Even you don't believe that.

All huff and puff? Got news for you, the huff and puff is me regardless of alignment. You aren't even bothering to pretend I'm scum long enough to link me to anyone. Get to stepping with that bull.

[kuribo]

Nevermind that I could name five different ways I'd play this if I were scum. But then I'd have to listen to a bunch of lolololol wifom wifom llolololokoo and fuck that

[kuribo]

Hold up, how the hell can you say my Lynch has connections everywhere, but then say you don't even have an idea about which living players I could be connected to?

You cite the clusterfuck from earlier, but lynching me wont make it go away.

You claim I'm unhelpful, but fail to explain how.


As said, you want me lynched to clarify connections that you haven't even looked for.

Its ok BT. When we both get to hell, ill remind you I took you with me.

[kuribo]

What two scumbuddies down? This was during D1. And it

was

a direct CC: Dan said he thought the roles were almost identical. I'm thinking that neighborizer is your slot's role (obviously) and the plan was to claim that but Zdenek claimed something Dan thought would counter his claim so he just went with CCing. IIRC he was the most likely lynch at the time so it's not surprising at all but, hey, this is why I want to read things again, so I can base these things better.

So you think that Dan is illiterate and would assume the entire town didn't know the difference?

And it was absolutely day 2. Dan told deas about his claim after claiming in here. Deas wasn't neighborized until night one. Get to stepping. You're done.

[kuribo]

hm, I'll be damned, you're right. It was day 2 that he revealed who he neighborized


the rest of my points against BT still stand, though. The fact is, BT acts as if dan said to himself "Hmmm, friendly neighbor, neighborizor, I'll claim here and the town will never know they're two different things!"

the fact that BT even claims to believe that anyone would try a gambit so stupid--- leads me to believe BT is grasping at straws to get his mislynch before deadline.

[kuribo]

I'm led to think that kuribo's #1758 makes the slot more likely lazy town. I mean, the "CAUGHT YOU IN A INCONSISTENCY" feels genuine and I think kuribo!scum would have been pretty clear of when and what his predecessor claimed.

I'm not being lazy, I'm actually trying, you know.

and actually if i were scum, i'd be powerbussing my buddy and making outlandish claims and counter-claims to myself


and i'd be pushing for the death of the vig / SK


and i'd probably be trying to lynch Ben to save myself from needing to NK him



but, you know "lolololol wifom wifom wifom lolololol"

[kuribo]

oh, and i'd have confessed to Deas and then mocked him in the neighbor QT because no one would believe that anyone would be so cheeky to do that

[kuribo]

The fact is, BT acts as if dan said to himself "Hmmm, friendly neighbor, neighborizor, I'll claim here and the town will never know they're two different things!"

This isn't what BT is saying though. He's saying that Dan (as scum) really did think his role was similar to Zdenek's, and "counter-claimed" because he was planning to claim

anyway

and didn't think people would believe both roles could be town.

~ Pless

That argument doesn't seem to make much sense either. You'd have to believe he was perfectly willing to suicide himself on Day 1. A counter-claim becomes a direct 1v1, which Dan would know he'd lose. Even if he thought he'd have to claim later.

BT, unvoting me doesn't make my lynchcock flaccid for you, just so you know. I want your blood.

[kuribo]

Couple that with your interactions with us where you strongly argue us scum while saying your gut conflicts with the read, and progress to you backing off more completely as our wagon proves more unpopular, and you have a few more reasons why we think you're scum.

Note also, BT backs down off my wagon once he sees the winds changing direction to himself.

[kuribo]

I'd still rather lynch scum than a lurker lynch.

unvote vote Kise

Lets wagon him up so we have time for a claim. He's due a prod I imagine soon.. his last post is friday.

Prodding Kise

[kuribo]

Lurker lynches are fun and all, but BT's still scum.

[kuribo]

Eh, I've done it as a power role.

In this very game actually. Although neighborizors are pretty damn useless.

Hell for some reason whenever I'm doc, I manage to softclaim so obviously that I get killed.

I tend to believe kise. I don't think luring a doc into a counterclaim would be productive scum strategy at this stage.
On the other hand, I've done exactly that before to set people up for my buddies to find.


On the third hand I still hate Lurker lynching.

On the fourth hand, people only have two hands anyway.

[kuribo]

And frankly I'd rather see myself lynched than watch BT rope an uncountered doc

[kuribo]

No, you're talking about saving the scum a nightkill. Rope the doc today, kill mod confirmed Zdenek tonight?

Fuck that. Fuck all of that.

[kuribo]

BT, you don't want anyone to CC, but you're willing to take the chance of lynching kise if he's doc?

But if kise is doc, we still lose a doc. If he gets countered, we still lose a doc but at least the.CC is caught scum. And we make them do their own killing.

[kuribo]

Because a counter leads to one hundred percent caught scum.

Lack of a counter could just... you know, make him the doc.

[kuribo]

Ben:

My wagon was pushed by:

two guys who are barely paying attention (you and Jason)
One person who's just going to NK me anyway and is barely paying attention (camn)
One person who's scum (BT)
and one person who everyone BUT me seems to think is scum (SAD)

you popping your head in to ask if people want to lynch me isn't going to push that wagon, so you may as well get the fuck over the fact that I yelled at you and try hunting scum. Stop being lazy. I mean, hell, you asked for a prod on Kise AFTER the mod announced his prod. Step it up, man.

[kuribo]

and the lack of counterclaim doesn't mean he's town necessarily, it means I'm not willing to roll the dice on a freakin' lurker lynch on an uncounterclaimed doc

[kuribo]

So what uncounterclaimed roles do you lynch?

Usually I prefer not to, and I could probably count on one hand the number of times I have.

[kuribo]

Ben:

My wagon was pushed by:

two guys who are barely paying attention (you and Jason)
One person who's just going to NK me anyway and is barely paying attention (camn)
One person who's scum (BT)
and one person who everyone BUT me seems to think is scum (SAD)

you popping your head in to ask if people want to lynch me isn't going to push that wagon, so you may as well get the fuck over the fact that I yelled at you and try hunting scum. Stop being lazy. I mean, hell, you asked for a prod on Kise AFTER the mod announced his prod. Step it up, man.

I'm barely paying attention to the game... This lone weekend.... ZzzZzzZzz News Flash nothing has changed in regards to my suspicion of you, Nor could it... SO nothing in the "5ish pages" That I've more or less skimmed but need to go back through would have affected my read on you. Don't lump me with Jason, his play has been atrocious.

You know whose else's play has been atrocious.. Kise.

But no.. go rush wagon someone else up.. I'm sure it'll turn out great.

1) I didn't rush wagon Kise up. He's town and the wagon on him was always ridiculous.

2) Your play lately has literally consisted of popping your head in to whine about me being alive. Pretty much the same as Jason.

3) How can you say you're paying attention to the game while skimming?

[kuribo]

What awe-inspiring information have I missed/failed to comment on that YOU MUST bring to my attention?

Why do you seem to think BT is town?

[kuribo]

Bullet for me the case please.

* Spent ages calling me scum, then admitted that he had no idea who would be partners with me if that were the case
* Called out Kise for not posting, ignored Nos for the same. Barely mentioned Nos until I poked him about it.
(If you were reading the thread, you'd understand that BT is one of my strongest suspects, and I think it's highly likely Nos is scum with him)
* Complained endlessly about my "lack of scumhunting," all the while moving the goalposts about what he thinks scumhunting is
* Switched to Kise at the first chance, then magically decided I was town.
* "Why havent you given us your final list of reads?" When I was L-4. Even though I had already given plenty of reads, and continue to do so. And even though that's a stupid thing to ask at L-4 when half the wagon is VLA.
* Wanted to lynch me instead of Kise because he felt he'd get more information from a lynch on me (even though he failed to point out what information that would be)... then hops onto Kise.
* Didn't REALLY start trying to push the idea that I was scum until he was called out for coasting along on the wagon.

and you know, Ben, I get that you find it annoying that I post alot. So sue me, I type things as they pop into my brain. Whining about it won't change it.

[kuribo]

Docs are a weak PR to begin with.

Not when there are at least two killers out there.

It's pretty damn obvious scum would like to kill off the doc in day-play rather than night kill them. Especially since Zdenek is nearly-mod-confirmed.

How do you not get that you're doing their dirty work for them?

[kuribo]

Sorry, in my drugged up state I meant Ben not Dan. For a second I thought about ActionDan, who you replaced and typed him by mistake.

you'll really be messed up when you realize I replaced dan

[kuribo]

Because while we're talking about balance.... we have a scum team down 50%?

Do we? I've already hypothesized that we may be up against 5 scum (counting the traitor), thus making the killer a vig instead of an SK.

As far as balance, we already know scum had a tracker--- pretty handy for rooting out town roles (like docs). They probably have either an X-shot bulletproof or a roleblocker, at least from a balance point of view. If the killer is an SK rather than a vig, he's probably x-shot bulletproof as well.

[kuribo]

My point again. Shit play gets lynched. Allowing for claims to save oneself is atrocious play. DO I really have to go link games to scum fakeclaiming, or are we all here experienced enough to have this common encounter?

If we were lynching solely for shit play, jason would have been strung already.

[kuribo]

Kuribo whats your view on SAD? Since we're less than 48 hours to a lynch... There's only you and CDB on BT....

since you're still not paying attention:

I have said many, many, many, many, many times that I believe SAD to be town.

[kuribo]

And since I've been such the horrible coaster this past weekend.... How's CDB doing? Didn't you find him suspicious? But then he started posting, and acted town right... Once under heavy scrutiny.. awesome. Once that scrutiny left... He's doing what again?

I did find his lack of play disturbing, for gut reasons as I said. He came along with the good stuff, and I was satisfied.

Doesn't mean he gets a free pass forever.

[kuribo]

What information are we attaining from a BT lynch

Me wanting to lynch BT isn't "for information."

It's to get a scumflip.

[kuribo]

Kuribo does your neighborhood continue even after you die?

No, after my death, the mod closes the QT

[kuribo]

Close attention. I have just shifted my strategy in a way you dont yet understand

I do understand, you don't need to vote when you can just nightkill, Dr. Lecter.

[kuribo]

see, this is what I'm talking about, at least it's a proper wagon instead of that lazy coasting bullshit

and optimal townplay is for me to take the rope rather than allow the doc to get strung. or rather than continue to be a "distraction" for lazy idiots.

BT's still scum, probably with Nos, camn is the SK / vig, SAD and Jason are lazy idiots, and benmage is their king. jason MIGHT be scum, but gut tells me that scum jason would actually give a damn

Unvote

Vote: kuribo

clearly I wasn't ready to come out of retirement
fuck this, see y'all in the dead QT

[kuribo]

pedit: I saw that. You deserve to be replaced.

No. I believe your claim strongly enough that I'm willing to be the lynch instead of you.

I don't "deserve" to be replaced--- I am still playing to my win condition. I don't believe the uncounterclaimed doc should be lynched. Your survival is more necessary to a town win than my own.

My ability is "Come into my club"

[kuribo]

Think about it, Kise--- Doc or neighborizer? Who's more useful?

At this point, my slot is so poisoned, scum will never NK me. I don't want to be dragged into LYLO to help them mislynch.

Meanwhile, the town is trying to decide if they want to lynch you or me. I'd rather it be me, at least then the scum have to NK you.

My presence will always be divisive, at least with me gone, people will shut the fuck up about me and play the damn game. And I'm a freakin' neighborizer. The least useful ability on the entire site. Make them earn their freakin' doc kill and lynch me instead.

[kuribo]

I only ask one thing, and I ask it of my town reads especially: When I'm gone, don't do that bullshit that people do on this site where they ignore the reads of the dead.

[kuribo]

also, after I'm dead, I want one of you to spit on Ben


if he dies after my lynch, I'll just spit on him in hell

[kuribo]

Unfortunately, I have never seen scum selfvote. Never. (atleast from memory which I'm very confident with)

I once did it to put myself at L-1 as scum, just so you know. At least I think I did, but I've definitely self-voted as scum, too.

Anyway, here.

[kuribo]

And, Ben, what happened to not running up someone that was unclaimed?

If you believe I'm that horrible, then wouldn't good town play be to advocate my lynch on the grounds it'd be better off without me?

Remember Weather Mafia II? UberNinja? Every single person on that wagon figured that a double voter was basically confirmed town, but he still got run up to L-1 (before his modkill) just because the town decided that they couldn't scumhunt properly with him there.

[kuribo]

Really feel we need the slot's flip no matter what, and I wouldn't put it past kuribo to do what he's been doing (actually he's using a lot more AtE than I remember he used in gaben? But I might just be remembering wrong or those might've been diff circumstances).

different circumstances, I spent most of gaben trying to troll umbrage

[kuribo]

Thought it would be something like quoting the mod. Anway, D'angelo is a Barksdale boy after reviewing the wiki.

unvote
vote BT

pedit: @ SAD kuribo's character read fishy as fuck in the wiki. I thought about voting kuribo there. He's weirding me out by admitting to L-1ing himself as scum before, and I remember he did say in [REDACTED] that he does some hardcore mindfucking when he's scum and town, so you can't pull meta on him.

If he's to be believed.

I remember in Catch-22, I said that I was pretty much burning my entire town meta to the ground to win that one game. How right i was.

And no, I only mindfuck as scum. As town, I identify the scummiest person I see, I powerfuck them until they're either lynched or convince me they're town.

I am very aware of my town meta, though, and I've managed to fool some of my closest friends--- I freely admit that, and anyone worth a damn on this site would try to do the same for their scumgames.

*shrug* doesn't make me scum here

[kuribo]

People have a townread on camn?

I have a third-party read on camn. She's definitely either vig or SK, and I still lean SK.

[kuribo]

I'm flattered that these counter wagons have arrived, and glad one is on scum.

But can we make with lynching me already? I don't like that my wagon is stalling and I don't want kise lynched.

Would it help if I started dropping outdated scumtells?

@Ben and everyone else worried about me mindfucking them: any scum worth a damn could mindfuck town. I'm just more open about it. Besides. This is different. I'm actually hoping to get lynched rather than kise. I'm effectively betting my presence in this game on my town read on him.

[kuribo]

(The obviously gay waiter arrives with a tray of lovely château le blanc)

For those of you into meta, I've never offered myself in sacrifice for a town read as town before.

Or as scum, come to think of it. In fact, this would make no sense as scum anyway.


Ah, vintage 1980. Such a good year for wine. A robust flavor of smoked sausage with cherry undertones and a depressing aftertaste of highway salt.

[kuribo]

Man I actually wish I was scum now, this shit would be gold.

Anyway time to go feed the elderly.

[kuribo]

Do people still believe in the amished tell? Because if so, I totally apologize for Dan's scummy behavior which I have ISO'd


Also for the fans of JEEP tells, please note I was third on my wagon. Also, I'd like to drop the old tell about NK speculation and congratulate the SK on her cross kill.

[kuribo]

Eh that's fine with me too, at least that way I don't have to wait till I'm dead for you guys to realize he's scum

unvote
Vote: BT

[kuribo]

Apologies for my laziness, like I said previously another game I'm in is at lylo.

If I'm compromise voting it'll be SAD over BT; I see literally no reason to vote the latter.

Of course you wouldn't see any reason to vote your scumbuddy.

[kuribo]

SAD, your posts are where good sense go to die. You are a wandering shitlord of terrible posting. Do you even fucking know what an appeal to emotion is? Or are you just spouting shit into the thread!

When have I begged for my life!? How is advocating my own Lynch to spare a town read an appeal to fucking emotion? That has to be the dumbest thing I've ever read on this site that wasn't posted by Empking.

[kuribo]

BT, I believe kise claim. I believe keeping him alive means the scum have to kill him themselves so they can kill with impunity. Your read on kise has little bearing on the fact that you're scum, considering I was on you before the kise counterwagon.

I'm having a hard time continuing to read SAD as town. Seems like he'd say anything to get a mislynch and push bad wagons.

[kuribo]

Nos: if scum is watching town eat itself, then who are the scum?

Also do you not see how that same thing could apply to you?

Also please bus BT.

Also where the fuck is zone face