Mini 1428: Reign of Flame (Game Over)

[Venmar]

vote:cooldog

for wanking

[Venmar]

We should lynch UN for the use of illegal sorcery, automated votecounts scare and confuse us common folk.

[Venmar]

In all seriousness,

Vote: Jon

[Venmar]

No, i'm dragon hunting...

[Venmar]

Yes, my vote is serious.

[Venmar]

I'm almost 100% positive it would help if you gave some reasoning for your vote, Jon.
It's definitely looking OMGUS right now.
Which isn't very serious.

Yes, you are a genius. I have OMGUSed to an RVS vote.

Unvote

Not attracted by the pirate wagon, perhaps I should follow the holy flowchart?

[Venmar]

People who just preech around going " EXPLAIN YOUR READS " to everyone are so annoying.

[Venmar]

doesn't matter.

Seriously.

[Venmar]

complains about people who ask for reads.

Doesn't give any reads.

- That wouldn't make sense now would it from the way you put it.

Vote: CooLDog

Yeah, this is where my vote belongs, I don't think he's actually town. His "scumhunting" of Majiffy seems pretty fake.

[Venmar]

Majiffy thoughts on CooLDog?

[Venmar]

BBmola is town, leave him alone peasants.

[Venmar]

Venmar, how is he town?

How is he scum? I've seen nothing from you that validates BBmola as scum in any way. BB is asked a question and when he gives you an perfectly valid answer you lash out at him because it's not your everyday textbook response?

K.

More votes on CooLDog please. The opportunistic but legendary

3rd

vote on BBmola is revealing.

[Venmar]

So you go for BBmola instead of say Maestro or Konowa? You sure have an eye for the roots of the "problem"...?

I think BB progressed the game if you ask me.

[Venmar]

Am I talking to a wall or something.

[Venmar]

More or less? Is this a riddle?

OH I GET IT. You're either the Wall of China or a little lego brick!

[Venmar]

Doesn't matter who you're voting, it usually still applies.

For someone who is pressure voting you seem to have a lot of conviction.

[Venmar]

@venbarf, Yes, I know, I hopped back on. I know it is bad. Deal with it.

- Paranoid, are we?

Also that hurt.

Would be nice if people got off my wagon.

[Venmar]

Yeah, I agree. You aren't scum. Your wagon is shit also. Bunch of people just sitting on it doing nothing.

- Not sure if serious or not... even if I agree.

@jon - You don't think I build my case enough? Why do I need to build a case I think I was clear enough in the post I voted? You want me to be a broken machine or a parrot about my vote or something?

When you try to make a deal with someone to drop your vote on them, it probably means your vote is shit in the first place...

[Venmar]

Nacho thinks like me when he's town

Finally Nacho, is this a miracle? A game where we're both town?

[Venmar]

Despite Majiffy showing real support for the CooLDog wagon, he has never thrown down a vote and instead is "supporting" the Cryo wagon which I personally don't think he actually believes ( maybe, but I feel like he has more of a reason to vote CD than anybody else ) Not to mention he hasn't had a vote in the first place from his RVS unvote until his Cryo vote...?

I can't really comprehend if CooLDog and Majiffy are both scum, since that is unlikely, but one of them is probably scum imo.

[Venmar]

@cooldog I would love for you to explain why it is you think I'm town

- Only scum are curious about why they're called town to be honest. Considering you just got a lot of flak thrown on you, i'm not surprised you would like to know what made you look town in the first place so you could try emphasize on that.

[Venmar]

Do you see me pushing your lynch?

[Venmar]

@cooldog I would love for you to explain why it is you think I'm town

- Only scum are curious about why they're called town to be honest. Considering you just got a lot of flak thrown on you, i'm not surprised you would like to know what made you look town in the first place so you could try emphasize on that.

this simply is not true.

- Everyone to their own I guess, I can honestly agree it can also be a playstyle thing and not a direct scumtell, I just found it to be the case in some of my previous games.

AGN's OMGUS is cute, considering he thought my play was good when he unvoted. Coincidental that he turns on me when I poke him.

[Venmar]

It's still OMGUS, considering I don't recall agreeing to shit and you're just flailing shit around now.

[Venmar]

Yeah, I wasn't voting you for it cause it's shit reasoning to base a vote off of ALONE. I agreed to that in one of my latest posts, and you think I should have voted you just because I noted one small detail I thought could incriminate you instead of my much better and developed vote on CooLDog? Really?

If you seriously believe what your saying then you're seriously talking out of your ass.

Really sounds like OMGUS now.

As for Maestro, I don't see the reasoning behind this guy very well, or at the very least i'm not convinced. Nor did I see the reasoning behind Cryo's wagon, whom I think is town now from his responses to such.

[Venmar]

You just changed your story about calling me scum from failing to vote you to something else, good job. You're right, it doesn't change my thought on whether or not you're scum.

[Venmar]

Unvote

[Venmar]

Vote: ANG

[Venmar]

Geeze, it would help if we were told what these roles were... hunter and ranger? English please.

[Venmar]

CD I think you slipped the fact that you're not a VT.

I have stated this last day before ANG went all scumlord on me, but I still believe that either Majiffy or CooLDog is scum, one of them if not both of them.

Nacho, why is Majiffy town?

[Venmar]

I'm sorry, I thought that was common knowledge and wasn't the reason he was being voted.

No, i'm not scum Cryo, just very helpless when it comes to catching on to a certain plan or vibe.

So AJ is pretty much confirmed town.

Still waiting on Nacho regarding my previous question, other than that I have intention to hammer:

CooLDog, please claim at the very least.

[Venmar]

I care about you BB. I caressed you in your sleep, so ??

[Venmar]

ITT Venmar is claiming Molester role.

[Venmar]

Scum might told something like " BURN THEM DOWN, BURN DOWN LANSDOWN YOU MOTHERFUCKERS YOU "

[Venmar]

AUGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

I don't know what to think. I still have bad vibes from CooLDog from his Day 1 claim but for some reason... i just don't know.... gut?

Really, though, if we're not going to lynch CooLDog we should lynch Majiffy. One of them is scum I am certain of this.

[Venmar]

Yeah, i'm doing it.

Vote: CD

[Venmar]

I'm on my iPod at the moment, but right now I think majiffy is town due to his association with cooldog ( who said one of them was scum? That's right, me ). Aj is almost confirmed town and BBmola is likely to be town.

I'm going to ISO cooldog when I get to a computer to figure out the next scum.

[Venmar]

BBmola did have a pretty waffly and weird voting record, but my gut says BBmola is town for now.. probably wouldn't trust him in LyLo though.

[Venmar]

Also, I've never been a good ISO reader or someone to pick up on relations tells, but I would guess that CD's ISO makes Pirate Mollie look town and CryoNudist scum. Then I decided to look at CooLDog's wagon and I figured that he HAD to have at least one of his buddies bussing him... so I looked.

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COOLDOG [5]

- Nachomamma8, CryoNudist, Majiffy, Aj the Epic, BBmolla, Venmar

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Majiffy [1]

- CooLDoG

not voting

- Axxle, jon_h61, Maestro, pirate mollie

From this votecount, here's what I see and have gathered. Nacho flipped town. I'm town. AJ is almost confirmed town. Majiffy is town through association with CD, and BBmola is PROBABLY town. That leaves CryoNudist as the bussing scum.

Alternatively, BBmola COULD be scum but I am of the opinion that his voting pattern fits more of a unsure townie because if BB was scum than he would have accepted by then that CD was going to be lynched and would've bussed him for the town credit. I don't know about you, but BB strikes as someone who wouldn't ruin such an opportunity.

The question now is who is the third scum should Cryo be scum? Well i'm going to assume PM is town, so that leaves Jon, Mastro, and Axxle.

Vote: CryoNudist

[Venmar]

Also, if Majiffy was scum then Nacho would probably still be alive, since Nacho was a big supporter of Majiffy town.

Speaking of Nacho, it might be worth considering that other than CooLDog his other scumread was Maestro. Food for thought.

[Venmar]

Nawh, Molla is town.

CryoNudist and Maestro, my scum predictions right there.

[Venmar]

Cryo is a better vote of the two imo.

[Venmar]

Yeah how about we lynch Cryo first. I didn't sheep Majiffy because I looked a bit closely at Cryo and noticed that he went straight for Maestro when this day began, which makes me think they're not scum together. Cryo is more likely to be scum because of the CD wagon analysis.

I take back my Maestro/CryoNudist scum team proposition, not because of Maestro's claim, but because of my above discovery.

[Venmar]

@Majiffy - I think I just noticed... but is your name an interesting word play of the word major and the word Iffy? Is it supposed to mean "Majorly Iffy"?

#notgamerelated

[Venmar]

Yeah I still stand by my gut read that BBmola is town.

Venmar

or Molla

busing.

- Honestly? I've been chasing CooLDog around ALL of day 1 until ANG decided to go all scumlord on me. Then, I returned to him on Day 2 except I thought about my hammer rather than ending the day so soon.

[Venmar]

I didn't miss it, but perhaps you could clarify for me what you said?

Oh nvm, lightbulb just clicked, you're talking about yourself!

Well, someone had to buss him I guess. My point was that someone on that wagon has to be scum. You and BBmola are the only candidates IMO, and right now I am of the opinion that BBmola is town, and that you're more likely to be scum than him.

[Venmar]

Cryo, even if my wagon analysis that you're scum is wrong, which it might because BBmola actually has an equal chance of being the bussing scum, I still fail to understand how you could think ME to be scum, considering I pushed the CooLDog lynch all of day 1 and you guys only jumped on day 2 because of his slip. If it wasn't for CooLDog's slip, he would still be alive i imagine.

[Venmar]

I didn't nail it home because it felt too easy, the wagon seemed opportunistic from a point of view. I wanted to think about it a bit and then I hammered when I convinced myself.

[Venmar]

- Honestly? I've been chasing CooLDog around ALL of day 1 until ANG decided to go all scumlord on me. Then, I returned to him on Day 2 except I thought about my hammer rather than ending the day so soon.

Looking at your iso I really don't see how you were chasing CD all day, sure your vote was on him a lot, but it feels like you just mention things in passing. Your vote for him mentions that his 'scumhunting' of majiffy seems fake, you never bring that up again. You ask for some votes on CD due to a poor position on the BB wagon, but don't specifically direct it at anyone and never mention it again. You say that CD/Majiffy is Town v. Scum, which weakens your position that CD is scum. Later on you defend not voting for ANG by saying you have a better developed read on CD, again failing to push that read.

Then all of day 2 you mention you think one of CD/Majiffy is scum, ask CD to claim with the intent to hammer. Then fail to comment on the claim for a day making joking posts. And even then you say we should lynch CD or Majiffy, without any preference for one or the other. You mention scumlord twice in your iso in very much the same phrasing, which is a tell that you're lying about what you think of him.

What claim are you talking about here anyway?

I don't know what to think. I still have bad vibes from CooLDog from his Day 1 claim but for some reason... i just don't know.... gut?

It feels like you wanted to seem like you're suspicious of scum without really pushing the lynch to potentially get credit if he does eventually flip, or maybe you get lynched and we'll think he's town since your vote was parked on him most of Day 1. A reread just makes you seem like a likely partner to me.

Vote: Venmar

I'd prefer this to a Maestro lynch, but I'll hammer Maestro if I get no support.

[Venmar]

Can we just lynch CryoNudist already? We're not lynching Maestro today, or at least you ain't getting my support for the wagon.

[Venmar]

How about not today.

[Venmar]

I don't actually see a good reason for your Maestro wagon.

[Venmar]

I actually don't, all I found was that you called him scum for backing off when CD mentioned Lansdown.

You supported the CryoNudist wagon before and I see a better reason to jump on that than Maestro. Not to mention you made a link between the two, saying you would look into Maestro if CryoNudist flipped town, so from your PoV Cryo is a better lynch since it would make the Maestro read stronger.

You also called Molla town before, but not anymore? ( I understand the circumstances, but I don't see scum motivation bethind Molla's actions )

It actually looks like your current flips are an opposite flip of your previous reads?

[Venmar]

2. Why would

I lynch town

to strengthen a scum read on a player who is already at L-1?

Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Anybody have previous meta experience with CooLDog?

[Venmar]

You even supported Cryo lynch at the beginning of this day...

Maiffy I don't get you.

Can we have AJ return? I need someone that is 100% town to speak.

[Venmar]

You THINK Cryo is town, or at least that's how it should be if you're town.

You flipped your Cryo scumread into a townread in this day and i can't figure out how you came to that conclusion... you didn't say why, and now he's magically confirmed town? ( I am getting that impression because of your tone )

Would a Cryo scum flip make you think Maestro is town?

[Venmar]

No, i'm just not going to follow your BS flowchart.

[Venmar]

I DONT UNDERSTAND HOW CRYONUDIST IS FUCKING TOWN TO YOU. UNDERSTAND THAT I THINK HE'S SCUM AND YOU TOWN.

also,

No, i'm just not going to follow your BS flowchart.

[Venmar]

I'm taking a break, pce.

[Venmar]

Maestro is probably town. He's legit.

Majiffy, I know myself that I am bad at comprehension sometimes, but understand my concern, please.

CryoNudist is scum, I don't know how you think he's town and you have refused to say why. Right now, you should understand that you haven't explained much and I couldn't ( kind of still can't ) comprehend how you could think Cryo to be town. You had him as a scumread for a good bit of the game, and even tried to push his lynch earlier this day, but you then flipped the read without even mentioning why and then you call him 100% town. You can't call me unreasonable in this circumstance.

In either case, anyone else willing to compromise on Axxle?

[Venmar]

You don't think he's town?

Well.

[Venmar]

Thank you, I like it myself.

[Venmar]

Well you're too obese to be eating cake, so stahp it

[Venmar]

In this case, Cake is probably town.

[Venmar]

AJ, what do you think of Maestro? Would you lynch CryoNudist instead?

[Venmar]

SPEAK YOU MAGGOTS.

SPEAK I SAY.

[Venmar]

Maestro claimed before you declared intent.

Thus, I myself don't know why declaring intent was necessary.

In either case, I don't think you should hammer, we should lynch CryoNudist instead.

[Venmar]

His claim is a town one. Not only do I SERIOUSLY doubt a scum could formulate a role like the one Maestro claimed, but his play right now is similar to Meta Mafia in terms of activity and content, and he was town in that game.

[Venmar]

[Venmar]

CooLDog claimed his role AFTER he learned that there was a mason group? How do you think he made his claim?

This isn't the case with Maestro.

[Venmar]

If you're town, then chances are BBMola is scum. Pirate Mollie and Axxle are also suspicious.

I'd go BBMola --> Pirate Mollie --> Axxle

This is assuming you're town.

[Venmar]

Which one?

[Venmar]

Someone had to bus CooLDog, if it wasn't you, it was probably BBMola.

PM's declaration to hammer was completely unnecessary, considering Maestro already claimed long before that, PM stating intention just looked a lot like him trying to make sure if anybody had a problem with him hammering. Kind of trying to make sure he wouldn't get crushed a long with Maestro for hammering.

[Venmar]

Not everyone gets juicy roles, and I don't know how you can come to the conclusion that his death would prevent us from voting and lynching, I would quit on life because if that would be the case, all hope in humanity and setup balancing would be lost.

[Venmar]

Elaborate. I see a pretty clear line with Maestro's role and an already claimed role.

- I meant it as in CooLDog probably claimed mason encryptor because he learned that fuzzy was a mason, so he thought he could slip through our fingers by claiming a random or "off the wall" role such as encryptor, after finding out there is a mason group.

I DONT see a similar connection that Maestro could've made to formulate his own claim unless you're trying to hint that ANG's "Hunter" role could've been some kind of a killing role and Maestro claimed accordingly.

[Venmar]

@CryoNudist - Regardless if Maestro flips town or scum, can we both agree that someone on CD's wagon was scum?

Also, for the record, if Maestro flips scum I will immediately assume that CryoNudist is town, and will support the BBMola lynch. If Maestro flips town, then CryoNudist is probably scum.

[Venmar]

Vote: CryoNudist

[Venmar]

Also, for the record, if Maestro flips scum I will immediately assume that CryoNudist is town, and will support the BBMola lynch.

If Maestro flips town, then CryoNudist is probably scum.

[Venmar]

You got things wrong then mate. Vote Cryo for a scum lynch.

Majiffy, you were wrong and I was right, I want an apology.

[Venmar]

You weren't right, you KNEW he was town, that's why you hesitated for so long and why your declaration of intent to hammer was so bad like I suspected. If you knew how he thought, then you wouldn't have hammered him.

Either CryoNudist or BBMola are scum from CooLDog's wagon, and I am pretty confident that it's Cryo. Last scum is probably Pirate Mollie.

[Venmar]

Let me translate what you just said:

" I had no problem hammering a townie "

[Venmar]

Yes, but I don't remember there being a deadline either.

I'll concede that your hammer ITSELF wasn't the scummiest thing, but your previous intent WAS and that was my main point.

[Venmar]

Yeah, how about fuck this.

I am the

Medic

, I am a trained medical doctor from the tormented city of lansdown and have the power to protect/heal someone every night. I also have a compulsive modifier, meaning I have to protect someone every night no matter what.

On Night 1, I protected BBMola, and on Night 2 & 3 I have been protecting AJ. I protected BBMola because I thought he was town after the D1, and i've been protecting AJ ever since D2 to protect him since he was basically confirmed town in my eyes. I think this means that AJ was obviously the night kill target last night and I saved him.'

Below quote is me soft claiming my protection of BBMola:

I care about you BB. I caressed you in your sleep, so ??

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Now, please hear me out and listen to what I have to say FOR ONCE.

[Venmar]

Well I recall most of you agreeing that CD's wagon had a scum. Clearly it wasn't me, Majiffy is very unlikely, it wasn't Nacho, and that leaves BBMola and CryoNudist. I'm still of the belief that BBMola is more likely town.

If you guys refuse to lynch Cryo then perhaps we could consider Pirate Mollie or Axxle.

At this stage, I think Majiffy and AJ are likely town, and BBMola as well if Cryo flips scum. Jon might be town by gut.

[Venmar]

Jon, I don't understand. You have role info that proves Cryo as town?

[Venmar]

Wut...

Okay then.

Unvote

[Venmar]

Right.

So let's assume Jon is telling the truth...

That means Cryo, Jon, AJ, and Majiffy as well as me are all town.

That means Pirate Mollie, BBMola, and Axxle are the last possible scum. 2 of them are scum, I like the odds of that.

Where Majiffy?

[Venmar]

For the record Uber, I think having a member of the scum get lynched due to them not knowing what VTs are called is absolutely retarded and poor setup creation. People should be getting lynched for scummy play, not claim related bullshit.

- While I might agree in a way, this is scummy to say because town wouldn't be complaining about this. Not to mention such is for postgame discussion anyways.

[Venmar]

PEdit: Oooookaaaayyyy??????????????

[Venmar]

Okay.

I want AJ and Majiffy to get in here.

[Venmar]

Nawh.

Jon, do you think BBMola is scum? If not, who on the CD wagon is?

[Venmar]

Vote: BBMola

[Venmar]

Lol, mafia you're so cute for trying to kill me.

GET DUNKED

[Venmar]

So.

Jon, results for last night?

[Venmar]

I actually agree, Majiffy might be scum after all.

However, I want to see what Jon has to say, and I want a full claim as well as night targets from him because I still have no idea what he is and i'm just assuming he's a cop right now.

[Venmar]

AJ is town 100%.

I think the scum are Majiffy and Pirate Mollie, no questions asked. I say this because looking back, Axxle's play seems to fit that of his previous town play in one of Philammons mini normals, I forgot the name sorry. Axxle also made a couple of good points I agreed with, and get a townie feeling from him so that ultimately puts him in 3rd place of being likely scum.

I still want to hear Jons full claim, I want to hear out what his role is as it confirms Cryo as town, and may or may not confirm someone else as town or perhaps someone else as scum.

Right now, I think Majiffy and PM to be the last scumbutts, but I wont rush anything. I would prefer Majiffy's head first.

[Venmar]

I am exactly what I claimed, lol, a compulsive medic ( compulsive doctor )

It's just that I left out the fact that I can protect myself once per game... hehe... he...MWA....MWAGAHAHAHAHAHA

MWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

MWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Suck it scum.

[Venmar]

The correct word was citizen.

You're scum.

[Venmar]

I want to hear from Jon?

[Venmar]

PEdit: Should've voted Cryo when I gave you the chance 2 days ago.

[Venmar]

What?

How do you know Cryo to be town then?

[Venmar]

Hrmmm... why didn't anyone bring this up before?

Vote: Majiffy

A Majiffy / PM / Axxle lynch pool looks like a lot of win considering 2 of them are scum. We can afford 1 more mislynch I think even if I won't be able to save anyone.

[Venmar]

So:

Me, AJ, Jon, and Cryo are all town.

Scum are in: Majiffy, PM, and Axxle

Jon, vote Majiffy.

[Venmar]

If Cryo is town, then Majiffy is the last and only possible scum on CD's wagon.
- Then, there's the legendary 3rd vote on the wagon tell that applies to Majiffy

I thought no scum duo would buss each other so hard as they did, but I think I was wrong. I regret lynching BBMola now but his flip has shown us the path.

[Venmar]

So:

Me, AJ, Jon, and Cryo are all town.

Scum are in: Majiffy, PM, and Axxle

Jon, vote Majiffy.

lol, it isn't me.

I got your back venmar.

What is this.

[Venmar]

The town played really well, and this game helps solidify my confidence in my read. I never REALLY thought that BBmola was scum, but I lynched him anyways for whatever reason. During night 3, I decided that I was too much of a wildcard to be offed, and I decided that Jon was too much of a gamble to kill and expect good results. So i figured the scum would go for the confirmed town, AJ. When I saved him, I tricked majiffy and pm to trying to kill me, and stopped them again . I think if it wasn't for me causing two no kills two nights in a row and proceeded to out both of the scum and push their lynches, the town would've lost early on.

Cryo and everyone else, proud that you guys chose pm over axle.

That was all phone posting... wow. More thoughts later.

[Venmar]

Venmar needs his title changed to

Atlas

I do not get.

[Venmar]

Make it happen.

[Venmar]

Was I obvious as a special? I'm curious.

[Venmar]

*Looks at Night 3 and Night 4*

I am exactly what I claimed, lol, a compulsive medic ( compulsive doctor )

It's just that I left out the fact that I can protect myself once per game... hehe... he...MWA....MWAGAHAHAHAHAHA

MWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

MWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Suck it scum.

[Venmar]

Not sure how I feel about PM and CooLdog getting specific fakeclaims that directly imply the possible existence of masons and a doctor.