Gears of War Mafia - ( Game Over! )

[Jal]

UberG and AANero hydras: please sign your posts.

Qwints is meh, but a bad meh.
GIF I've elaborated on already.
Messiah's posts just seem bad from my gut.
Neither Nero nor Angel are posting in a way which really gives me townvibes, either.

The best vote here is as stated AP's.

These aren't reads. Seem bad? What the hell does that even mean?

Also, you keep posting how ANG is the best lynch, give reasoning for not getting on it, prove your reasoning sucks, say again ANG is the best vote, and then you sit on your ass doing crap all. You are basically pushing/distancing on a lynch here without actually putting your duff on it yourself.

I don't get how wagon speed means anything.

Then there is the whole multiball theory.

Meh. Majiffy doesn't feel like d1 lynch material.

D1 lynch material? Lynch material? Why are you making decisions based on "lynch material" rather than if he's town or scum?

I don't give two flips over a miller claim.

VOTE: mastin2

Also, explain why D3 seems to be so important and why you believe you'll live until D3. You mention it twice, once for revealing flavour and for talking about Majiffy D3.

[Jal]

The Uber hydra is being useless? Good chance of scum wth a side of meatballs. AP is town? WELL. THANKS FOR POSTING.

KoC contributed as much as I have in terms of content and scum hunting and I only have to post so...

What does this mean.

I don't know what is going on with Pirate cat but I don't like any of their posts or votes and the goat vote looks like it could be scum trying to get into the game, especially after they made that big ass post telling how people smelled/posted funny/odd and voted no one in it.

@The Goat:

: Did you read any of the thread before posting?

P-Edit: Yeah, but his posting really is awful and scummy. I want to hear more about D3 stuff.

[Jal]

Jals believe that fast wagons=//=town lynch is somewhat wrong. MOST fast wagons are town lynchs.

Just like MOST people who replace are scum and that most people who ajsdkllankjafnkjafnckjndja.

Put that science back up your ass where it belongs.

/bitchy oh yeah.

[Jal]

I dunno Jal, UN feels a little too useless to be scum right now. trollface.jpg

We'll see.

Also, The Goat is awesome. I like him the best already.

[Jal]

Don't really care for this whole Piratekitty vs AP dealio, mainly because it's giving me a bigger headache than I already have.

Mala, your own thoughts please? Do you like The Goat vote?

2) Seems bad = scummy, obviously.
3) Lynch material = scummy individuals. Potential lynch targets.

Thanks for filling me in on what he actually means there, champ!

Except, he didn't actually say these things. He didn't say scummy or call people scummy individuals. If he thought they were scummy, why not just say, HEY I THINK THEY ARE SCUMMY!! ? Because he is not actually giving reads, Mr "Meh, not D1 Lynch Material."

[Jal]

Ap, while you're here: Why does The Goat seem town to you?

[Jal]

Oh, I already have a headache. It's just making it worse. Very cat like. Miaw~

Okay, you don't like the vote. What now?

[Jal]

You're not the brightest crayon in this box of players, are you?

Mama, some horrible player doing shit all in the thread is trying and failing horribly to-to-to put me down WAH WAH WAH."





Yawn.

Shoo and go back to under that bridge you live under.

[Jal]

I honestly can't read this Molliekittens hydra for shit.

The big post makes me think scum, but their attitude rings town.

[Jal]

The Goat, why did you decide to RVS vote if you didn't have time instead of not replying or saying you will catch up soon?

[Jal]

Big Post.

[Jal]

GOATIE:

The Goat, why did you decide to RVS vote if you didn't have time instead of not replying or saying you will catch up soon?

Kitty: Thanks for the judgement of your own post I guess?

[Jal]

Combination of bleh reads with no real vote, followed by quick vote on Goat for reasons I already mentioned.

[Jal]

Still don't really care what a player slot thinks of their own post.

I don't care about this playstyle crap, either.

Why RVS at that page though? By skimming or just looking at the BW, it should be obvious that stage was over. You've played multiple games on this site before so you should know that the "random stage" should be over.

[Jal]

Well, not sure about Mollie, but I wanted to wait until we decided on a target we both felt was scum rather than casting out a vote that one of us might not have agreed with. She was talking to me right before my class started and a bit during it.

So unless it was a huge gut trigger - I would not have voted without talking to Mollie first. Judging by our skype conversation we had going on we both were in sync with our thoughts on Goat.

Confused. You guys made a decision together in two minutes to vote Goatie?

[Jal]

I gots an internet person fluffing up their feathers at mah. If only I were a 14 year old boy and gave a shit.



They were talking and didn't come up with a combined decision to vote. Goatie posted. Decision made quickly. Hmmy hmm.

Who else were you guys thinking of beforehand? What were the difference in your reads stopping you?

[Jal]

Jal, when you check in, I'd like your analysis of what Slandaar did in post 327.

I have no idea if he even knows what he is doing in that particular post considering it is a hydra. Helps I just got out of a game with Cyro, though and they slipped.

I agree with his later Cyro analysis to an extent, though. I want to see more Cyro. Slaandy is playing more towards town Slaandy. As in, he's actually doing crap.

[Jal]

Hey, AP, you can read Jal, right? Gonna need you to tell me if this is scum-Jal or not.

But to answer--I talk of day three because the only way I'm dieing before then is via nightkill. Which would mean one of these happened:
-A vig wasted a shot on me (especially since I've offered a reveal on d3 which should be well-before lylo),
-A SK thought taking me out would be a good idea,
-Or the scum NK'd the miller claim before they kill the cop, a-la LIPD Mafia.

Speed of a wagon, like it or not, IS a factor. There CAN be town-based quick-wagons, but experience tells me that assuming all members of a quick-wagon are town is naive to the point of idiocy. Quick-wagons CAN be on scum, but experience tells me that assuming so is going against the numbers; quick-wagons are almost never on scum. With the possible exception of multiball games.

As for lynch material--I meant what I said. I don't think Majiffy is a good d1 lynch regardless of his alignment. If he's town, he's a dang-good scumhunter whether you like him or not. Not to Nero levels of good, but not someone you want to casually dismiss. If he's scum, his posts can shed light on who his scumbuddies are. As I said. I'm not considering a lynch on him 'til d3. I'm writing him off and giving him a pass, kinda like I'm giving AP a pass, kinda like I'm giving Nero a pass.

And those ARE reads, whether you want 'em to be or not.
Qwints is nullish-scum. GIF's alignment is determined by multiscum or not. Messiah (who I'm currently voting) is a scumread. Nero/Angel's posting wasn't solid at the time of the post, but they've since rebounded onto the town side of things by quite some margin, butyeah, the important factor here is that at the time they looked bad.

You think this is very possibly a multiball game, so you yourself should be having not such a big problem with quick wagons as you just said and it shouldn't deter you from joining based on that factor. Also, no to the other stuff. Also doesn't take into an account that there can be scum on scum. Man, I've started a few quick wagons myself on scum.

You mentioned D3 multiple times. What makes it so special to do things then instead of today or D2?

Yeah, I've seen someone do the whole case for "we should keep this person around because they will reveal more blah blah." Well lookatdat, they flipped scum in ADWD mafia with shit reasoning. If you think someone is scum, you get on that bandwagon. You especially want to get people like that out of the way. You can apply the, "if he's scum he can shed light on his scum buddies" to just about anyone you think is scum Either way, not being "D1 lynch material" doesn't signify any alignment from you and is not a good excuse for whatever you were trying to accomplish there.

[Jal]

NULL-SCUM:
Approximately Normal Guy (aka, ANG)

How did this guy get risen on your list from being possibly the best vote?

At some point, I have to go reread macm ms whatever and messaiah. I gain a temporary short attention span reading their posts.

Slaandy, I mean you are actually contributing which makes me think you're town.

I think you're town AP. Along with Nero and some other people. Think I had Bork as town for changing his reasoning for changing his vote on Nero hydra.

[Jal]

I played on an alt vs a scum you.

[Jal]

Interesting

Can I guess who or do you want it to be a top secret aka cryo style?

Super Secret. I flaked at one point.

By the way, Kthxbye is one of the heads of that hydra.

[Jal]

Why don't you state those opinions?
So far she had only two logics may three (including her thing Slaandar)


Spoiler:

Jal, If I ask you if you had to choose a day 1 lynch material regardless of game play, how would you base your pick and more importantly who would you pick here?

I know it's addressed to Majiffy, but "logics?"

I don't completely understand your question to me.

[Jal]

I'm getting third vibes out of Mastin moreso than vanilla scum.

[Jal]

The hydra head? I didn't know it offhand and I just mustered up the energy to go looking through my last game with him where he slipped.

The only thing that makes me think Mastin is town is him trying to gather up people to go scum hunting. Otherwise, I feel like he's Uber the Second from First Time Mafia.

[Jal]

I thought it was a bit of a joke.

[Jal]

Mac, to be clear - you find her

not

taking it as a joke and pursuing it to be scummy?

[Jal]

Okay I have to go V/LA until Sunday

. On vacation and have a long drive today. Can't talk until later tonight or tomorrow.

[Jal]

Right. I'm sorta off V/LA now. Catching up.

While I do so, Ap you're going to have to tell me how I keep you sane when I left off with a Mastin vote vastly disagreed with.

[Jal]

Choosing to get off my duff and start catching up now while I have time. Reading Cyro differently than in First Time Mafia where they were scum. Also, they're doing something I usually only see from town.

Also, Slandaar is probably scum. The one game this head was in with him, he tunneled a guy named d3x (some of you may be familiar with him) the entire game and stayed in the background for most the game. Pretty much everyone wrote this off as town vs town and left it alone. We see him doing something similar this game after reading his ISO in regards to us. Something to consider for you all later.

VOTE: AN till it becomes apparent that we are today's lynch in which case we may even self hammer.

This is a Slaandar null-tell. He did this as town in another game vs scum me, starting from a RVS vote.

[Jal]

I want an AP or Cryo lynch today and I think we should have one together by no more than the next 16 pages.

1 v 1's are dumb dude besides we're town and you're probs town but you still need to die unless we are killing AP today.

Explain how prob town needs to die.

[Jal]

Wouldn't call Bork's reads forced. However, they were horrible for the amount of people he called town which is something I've seen lots of scum do. I flip-flop on Bork. I didn't like his earlier adamant posting on GIF = town, which possibly looked like he was pulling an early white-knight. His conversations with others always make me think town though.

I just made a huge ass case on someone who either scum slipped very hard or accidentally/very much soft claimed a pr. Woe is me. Enjoy the wifom with whom I'm referring to.

Still think Raandy Slaandy is town. Cyro, no matter how much you want to ignore it, that whole tunnel thing is a null tell for him.

Still think of AP as town.

AP-Qwints? No, they're not a scum team this game.

I'll unvotey Mastiny. Not going anywhere anyway and I might be wrong, whatever.

UNVOTE:

Fun note: I started writing this before my prod.

[Jal]

Mac I went through your ISO: Where is this Cyro vote coming from? Can you point to where you've spoken about them before?

[Jal]

Nope. I have it all written up. Thinking could very possibly be a pr.

[Jal]

Are you always so sticky with your votes? I just noticed that unvote was from a vote placed over 1000 posts ago.

Is this relevant in some way? No.

I haven't. There's a lot of people I haven't spoken about yet.

But I like Slandaar for town. And lately, Cryo's been getting town feelings from Slandaar and yet still has a vote there. Plus, like I said, out of the 1v1 shit with Messiah, I find Cryo more likely to be scummy for it contrary to qwints saying they are both scum.

Why are you only considering voting between those two? Also, you've never said that.

[Jal]

es, it is, actually.

Stop dodging the question and answer it.

Nope. It isn't. If you actually cared, you would do some research. We both know you don't give a shit though, and my answering a stupid question would serve nothing more than for you to make for another pathetic "jab" at me.

Wah.

@Mac

Hey Macaroon, Why are you only considering voting between those two? Also, you've never said that about Cyro and Messiah. If I am wrong, please correct me.

[Jal]

If Marangal is town, Mac is very very town. Could be scum together, but don't want to think about that right now.

Not getting a scum-scum feel. Why would Mac be very very town if Ms M is town, though?

Jal: Ok, you are becoming one of my fairly decent townreads this game and I wanna work with you a bit. I don't quite see where your attention is going and that is annoying. (Not that its your fault, yo were V/LA and then typed up a moot post evidently). I'm going to reread this game over N1 and I want a short list of people you would have me look at more closely.

Also, what is your read on me? Don't need justification, just how you feel about good old AP. And no, Im not scum with qwints (or at all). I'm leaning town on qwints right now.

Why am I becoming a decent town read?

More closely:

Mac
Bulder

I've already said a thousand times I think you are town.

[Jal]

I guess snarky sounds

similar

to scummy. I must fit the bill. You can also join the legion of idiots who don't understand what being "defensive" is or how to apply it properly as a scum tell or as an anything tell.

I will never be lynched this game. I will have to be night killed. Boo hoo.

I noticed Guille was on V/LA which is the only thing making me not want to jump further on that ass. Uber can kind of get away with not posting for awhile. He's done that crap as town before. Need to see more content from Guille, though.

[Jal]

Hi Jal!!

I hadn't actually referenced Cryo/Messiah prior to that post, but the arguments Slandaar made were pretty good. Anyway, I was pretty much voting to save Slandaar because I feel he's town.
VOTE: Messiah because Cryo is going nowhere.

How would putting a second vote on Cyro vs Messiah at the time save Slaandar? Also, why the sudden vote change? It's been two hours since you first voted for Cyro. What the hell do you expect to happen within that time?

[Jal]

Lol.

Yeah. This thing you're doing? Only works on 13 year-olds. It's not humorous. It's not intimidating. It's not anything, really. I don't think anyone else gives a shit about it in this thread either.

Thanks, though, for proving my point that you really don't care to know how I normally vote and you just want to go on doing whatever the hell you think you're doing.

Piratecat, you're right about Guille. I looked at his V/LA status without looking at his posts. He's been around and she should have been posting. Guile not posting? That looks scummy.

[Jal]

Mac, scum reads please.

[Jal]

Mac, scum reads, please.

[Jal]

AP, every time I see your pretty face browsing the forum and you don't post, I start to get antsy.

[Jal]

S'ok. I just wanted to see if you would post.

I don't think pushing Mrs M is that unpopular. No one has been giving crap to others about it, except for Mac himself. He sort of goes in-between respecting and acknowledging her claim, telling GIF why he shouldn't vote her (her claim), then calling her claim shit.

What?

[Jal]

It's several days before a lynch needs to go through and it was several days longer where this whole bs mentality of "gotta choose between these two" magically started. People end up causing a no-lynch? Proceed to use your little PRs on them and/or pursue them the next day. Easy.

OKay, when did Messiah go V/LA? That seems relatively new and I notice Venmar just picked up on it also.

[Jal]

Jesus Christ Slandaar, you're just completely misrepping Molliecat, Mollie specifically. that wall post explaining why Mollie is scum is nothing but fabrication on your part, and taking things way out of context. you seriously need to rethink your case.

Why would town Slaandar feel the need to fabricate you think?

[Jal]

Jesus Christ Slandaar, you're just completely misrepping Molliecat, Mollie specifically. that wall post explaining why Mollie is scum is nothing but fabrication on your part, and taking things way out of context. you seriously need to rethink your case.

Why would town Slaandar feel the need to fabricate you think?

both town-Slaandar and scum-Slaandar would prefer not getting lynched.

Hello.

When I ask question such as this, it's not for my own benefit for wanting to know why oh why would a town Slaandar do that oh goody goody gosh.

I've been in enough games with Slaandar where I've seen him as town make up some bullshit and attempt to follow through even after everyone calls him out on it. Slaandar trying to save his ass by fabricating things? No. If Slaandar is town, he wholly believes these things, otherwise why would he be playing around with a vote on piratecat when things may turn for the worse against him? No. A town Slaandar believes in the goods he sells when town. This is not the point I'm driving at though. If you believe he is mindfully fabricating as town, then I suggest turning around and rethinking dat thar read.

I was asking the question to Ms M, not you, not AP, not Majiffio, or Piratecat, or Uber the Supreme Pooper. I'm asking Ms M, the one person who thinks Slaandar is fabricating things and yet is not hopping on the Slaandard wagon like most others and why they think so. Thanks though, for not letting her speak for herself and (potentially) giving an out.

Champ.

[Jal]

AP, run a Messiah case by me. No more than six sentences of total case.

[Jal]

Okay.

If the princessdinosaur hydra does not post by the end of the day I'm going on a crusade to lynch their asses last minute and I swear to god it will happen. I see you dumbos posting around the site. I'm sitting here staring at your name, Nero Cain.

And the little bit scummy AP can bust in here and go, "mama, you are forcing a NL" and I will stare at him with such intensity that he will collapse in on himself due to the gravitational density caused by the numerous times he's made that sole contribution in-thread.

[Jal]

Do you need the cases because you don't see they are scummy, or you're lost, or are you looking for a specific person to tell you things?

[Jal]

Apparently, AA is just V/la in dis thread.

[Jal]

Messiah
AP
Jiffy
GIF
Mac
Slandaar

This was a scum list I bothered to pull up.

When did you stop finding Slaandar being different and getting off your scum list?

When did Ms M become a scum read?

Cyro is voting you, by the way.

[Jal]

that vote right there makes either slaandar scum or slaandar and messiah are both town

that was me and I corrected it

I thought this with Mac's horrible vote bleh.

[Jal]

Messiah
AP
Jiffy
GIF
Mac
Slandaar

This was a scum list I bothered to pull up.

When did you stop finding Slaandar being different and getting off your scum list?

When did Ms M become a scum read?

Cyro is voting you, by the way.

lol @ pulling up a scumlist from 1,000 posts/11 days ago. AP is still my #1 scum read, I don't like Mac either and like I said maybe he was bussin' distancing from GIF. Slandaar was just a guy read 'cause he's not being a cutesy lil' troll like he was in the game we played together but that was like over a year ago so it prob means nothing. MS said something about AP that seems like a soft buddy defense and something else that I don't want to go into.

I find Mollie extremely annoying and derpy/scummy so I can certainly understand Slandaar's hate for that slot. While it varies from player to player, I think most scum tend not to be as so "involved" as he is.

Oh, sorry. You've been useful since 1000 posts ago? Because apparently you can't be bothered to read shit or contribute anything much. Most of your posts afterwards were on the same day and the day after, followed by your decline to nothingness.

Just for you, I'll link you to the reads/cases I put together earlier when evaluating both wagons to see which to join. Look at these and please review, I want your input:

Slaandar: Here.
Messiah: Here.

Thoughts? Do you think either is actually scummy?

[Jal]

@Piratecat

: Do you believe in the hydra dissonance tell?

[Jal]

Whatever.
.

VOTE: Messiah

Tempted by Piratekitty bw, but not so sure.

[Jal]

Also, no quick hammering without claims. Still lots of time for people like Messiah to come into the thread.

[Jal]

If you really don't give enough of a shit to let someone claim, then get the fuck off AP and onto someone else worthwhile.

[Jal]

I have lead the whirlwind on lynches myself. A ton of people in this game are online and just not posting shit most of the time. It's not like most people would go, HEY LET'S TRY TO GO FOR BORK. It'll be, HEY YOU KNOW THAT SECOND BIGGEST BANDWAGON, LET'S GO FOR THAT!

You're acting like you've never played a game before.

You've given no valid argument for not waiting. You are just unnecessarily whining. Why wouldn't we try and wait again if it came down to it..? Sometimes it's not about what they claim but how they claim it.

Also, are you going to do anything other than act like a pompous teenager?

[Jal]

I'd be up for a Mac or Qwints vote.

[Jal]

I'd be up for a Mac or Qwints vote.

You listed Messiah as a scumread not long back and as soon as someone objects to his lynch, you throw the idea of me or qwints, both of whom have zero votes. What's the reasoning behind that?

You have 4 hours to show me this until I run your lynch into the ground. Where is my scum read? Anyone with a brain can realize I am not voting Slaandaar because I think he's town. You and Qwints are highlighting suspicion on me for shit reasoning.

One of these two at the very least know Messiah is town trying to play off what the impact will be. Both of these two gave fucking shitty reasoning "I WANT TO SAVE SLAANDAAR" and Qeints, "AP IS TOWN LOLOLOLOLOLOL VOTE MESSIAH LOLOL" then they start getting bitchy about *my* vote when I bring them up. Well golly gee.

What's that? Scum can bus? What's that, I can have different scum reads that may not be cnnected or I am just trying to place my vote on the person who isn't a town read of mine? What's that? You two are bullshitting? Oh, no surprise.

UNVOTE:

[Jal]

You speak a lot, but no matter how much I try to stumble through your horrible posts, I can't find any meaningful point in them.

[Jal]

If you don't believe a wagon can go through, by all means, vote Messiah. What is trying to prove a point against me going to do? Seriously? This isn't kindergarten.

[Jal]

For the record, I still believe AN is town.

[Jal]

Congrats. Your reading comprehension skills have failed to highlight I am also addressing someone else other than you in that post.

The question is stupid because not only did I not list Messiah in some list, there have been a ton of people resisting the lynch for the past week of Messiah,
so me saying I'd go for you or Qwints is obviously not brought up due to her freaking out over Messiah. I just made it clear why I want to vote for either of you, and I made it clear your votes are shitty, and I already made it very clear with Piratecat what your vote for Messiah made me feel.

You are genuinely surprised by my mention of you, given I listed you previously on an actual short list?

I asked you to bring up a scum list where I personally put Messiah as scum. Where is it, boy?

[Jal]

Jal, I find your entire sequence of play here confusing. Why would you unvote without putting your vote on someone else?

I was waiting on Mac. Please read the thread. I then decided I didn't give a shit because people like AP are lurking and nothing will happen and I'd hammer anything.

Also, no quick hammering without claims. Still lots of time for people like Messiah to come into the thread.

wtf is this? You're going to risk a no-lynch when we don't even have time to switch to a different wagon anyway?

You know what, I'm being bitchy lately, but you guys deserve it - because really, are you stupid? We would go on tthe next biggest lynch on board if we wanted to. Just look at it, it's only a few people's difference. Also, that was made a while ago in the thread.

Jesus.

[Jal]

Everyone is lurking. This is great. I am of the mind of not caring, and Qwints' only defence for himself was to ask a question easily answered? Leaning him for being sucm between him and Mac.

AP is lurking. For someone who was yelling at everyone yesterday he is not doing shit all today.

Messiah said they would be here for deadline stuff and isn't. Also, they didn't claim. If they knew they wouldn't be here, why not claim then? Ms M, where's the pro town in that? Their last post sucked.

Slandaar is awful. I can't tell if scum awful though.

[Jal]

Bleh the one thing about Messiah was that they came into the thread briefly and they didn't seem to even care about their wagon or notice it. I'd think they would if scum. I really don't like either wagon and the whole thing coming to "pick between two" early was stupid.

VOTE: Messiah

Bleh bleh. Hate me for it. I don't have an anything read on Messiah whereas I think Slaandar may be town.

Think it's L-1.

[Jal]

I hate everyone on this wagon.

[Jal]

You know what,

VOTE: Slaandar

If you guys can make it happen, do it now. I'll be back in a few hours. Yeah yeah it's late whatever.

[Jal]

You're not even voting Messiah.

[Jal]

What is the strategy in waiting around all day to vote your only alternative?

[Jal]

He already is.

[Jal]

so while you are running around and calling everybody stupid and question everyone's reading comprehension you make you somehow manage to miss this?:

Hello.

Thanks for joining the club to be bitched at. If you read my conversation with Ms M, you would have noticed I spoke about that very post you highlighted with her. We had a brief conversation about the potential scumminess about it. So you can't very well say, "lol, u missed this GOTCHA."

I was referring to this post, champ:

Hey, I'm sorta here. I don't know that I'll be able to read much of the last ten pages but I'll be available for deadline stuff.

Tell me this scum case on me. You have piqued my interest, because whatever you just pulled was a horrible attempt to do .. whatever you were trying to do. By your logic, should we be lynching you for not being able to follow along, and then are you on board for Mac and Qwints for the same reasoning?

I only regret bitching out Buldy. I like buldy and he doesn't talk back. Sorry Buldermar.

[Jal]

Slaandar: Played only once before with each other ever? If yes, were you town or scum?

[Jal]

hi

what they post doesn't look as scummy as what you post so I think you should be lynched over them. read this sentence twice and see if you can manage to understand this very basic concept.

wrt the bold:

good so you will not have any problem with quoting the conversation that apparently is in this thread but no one else can see it?

SOMEONE IS OBVIOIUSLY VERY VERY MAD. POOR PIRATEKITTY. I go after Buldy: I like you! Go after Mac and Qwints; grumble grumble i try hard 2 make u stoopid. Sorry for striking a nerve regarding these two. Secret side lover?

Hi, it's one page over. Look. Read. Enjoy life. I mean, I fucking specifically said "their last post" for jesus fucking christ.

Looking for some coherency any moment from you. I knew Mac was thinking of the wrong post (and I was mostly talking to Qwints, even though I quoted Mac) and I was waiting for him to actually get off his duff and search, but you are rather convicted on this one. Miaw.

[Jal]

Messiah said they would be here for deadline stuff and isn't. Also, they didn't claim. If they knew they wouldn't be here, why not claim then? Ms M, where's the pro town in that? Their last post sucked.

[Jal]

Well.

kinda want to let Slaandar live now.

[Jal]

I am done with the bitchiness. Let's just stop.

[Jal]

Slaandar: What happens if you mason scum?

[Jal]

I quoted where it took place right then. My point being, I saw that last post of theirs which you accused me of not doing so. So... what now?

Slaandy needs to answer my question.

The correct approached to Slaandy pants is to order him to mason someone we want like Piratekitty who he's probably not partners with.

[Jal]

Buldermar is 50/50.

The only way I am switching is if Slandaar answers questions and agrees to mason someone gud.

[Jal]

Oh yes.

Slaandar can possibly confirm his role vs Messiah who can be less readily confirmed. I don't care about roles so much as confirming what we got is the real deal. I've been on the wrong side of people turning their heads to me after scum claimed their bs role which looked better than my real one.

Buldy is obviously a third.

[Jal]

Is it that hard to follow a conversation, really? You are trying so hard to twist things I say. You are talking to the person who has been night killed because scum knew I could argue my way out of their bullshit.

Let's see.

Mollie claims that this post indicates that I don't pay attention to the thread:

Bleh the one thing about Messiah was that they came into the thread briefly and they didn't seem to even care about their wagon or notice it. I'd think they would if scum. I really don't like either wagon and the whole thing coming to "pick between two" early was stupid.

and somehow proves that I didn't read this:

Does anyone even know why they want to lynch me? That's an honest question, because if they do you can color me surprised. AP made a big deal about how I have shown a "subconscious need to rationalize [my] vote [on ANG]" earlier in the game, and mastin is of the opinion that every single thing I've ever posted was chock full of obvious scum tells that he doesn't seem to feel obligated to explain to anyone.

What about everyone else? Mac's vote was incredibly shit, with his only previous mentions of me in his iso being how he thought I could be Cryo's scumbuddy but Cryo was more likely to be scum. Coincidentally, this is pretty much exactly what qwints has done as well. These two scumfucks are also trying to paint my V/LA as being scummy somehow, even if it requires them to fabricate the timelime of my posts and when I went V/LA (in qwints' case). Buldermar is voting for me because PirateCat is on the Slandaar wagon(??). And who the fuck knows why PV and Bacde are on me, they sure didn't say so.


If anyone has any doubt in their mind that I'm not a scum-driven Slandaar counter wagon then they're probably dumb as fuck. I would be willing to vote Mac or qwints if I need to, but it's patently god damned obvious that Slandaar is scum at this point.

pedit: Actually, Jal is voting for me. She was kind enough to leave the reason up to our imaginations, though.

But I obviously did read it, based on my conversation with Mrs M regarding how I thought Messiah's last post was scummy because they weren't around and did not claim in the last post (when they did come):

Messiah said they would be here for deadline stuff and isn't. Also, they didn't claim. If they knew they wouldn't be here, why not claim then? Ms M, where's the pro town in that? Their last post sucked.

But ho, reader! This doesn't make sense, as I already said, my post which she points out refers to this much earlier post of Messiah's:

Hey, I'm sorta here. I don't know that I'll be able to read much of the last ten pages but I'll be available for deadline stuff.

It doesn't make sense at all to take my conversation previously and call it scummy and think I am referring to the same thing later on by giving a reason by I think Messiah may be town. In the first post I used "last." By saying earlier in my last quoted post, I am obviously not refering to Messaih's "last post."

But all of this boils down to Priatecat's main argument: I am scum before I don't pay attention. She never questioned may bitching at Mac and Qwints, so one can assume she doesn't protest my claim against them. They should be scum too by that logic. By the fact she couldn't keep up herself, she is also undeniably scum now in her own light.

[Jal]

Oh jesus christ that is some horrible back tracking there, Piratecat. You don't even know what argument you are making and I won't be responding to that mess anymore.

Buldy, it depends. If we assume Slandaar town we should let him try to mason. What are your thoughts on Messiah's claim?

[Jal]

I don't like Messiah's claim, especially with there possibly being a cop.

Slandaar, so why are you off Messiah?

P-edit: No.

[Jal]

To use AP town logic:

~Buldermar is probably going against popular opinion and making himself appear awful while doing so, Scum probably wouldn't do that and willfully gain negative attention on himself. There, he is probably town.~

I am moving my vote to Messiah. Everyone who wants to NL can just go ahead and do that.

VOTE: Messiah

[Jal]

Also Mac, I see you checking out these forus over the night and not saying crap all.

[Jal]

There will be no Buldermar lynch. Not today.

P-edit: Huk Yuk. Piece it together. It may take awhile.

[Jal]

Also, I don't need to save anyone considering there will be no massive move of votes within the next two hours. That ship has sailed.

P-edit; Huk yuk. Bring the Mala head in, please.

[Jal]

It's in two hours.

[Jal]

Yeah, and why would a cop take directions from you or why would I listen to you? And why would we assume this? And why would we assume the cop would just magically out tomorrow their results? How about if the cop dies, or oh oh the enabler is killed or oh oh someone is blocked oh there actually may not be a cop.

Slaandar: Why would you be up for a buldy wagon? As town, you should be assuming you will be given a negative result on your mason tonight. I really doubt a scum Pirate would go for Buldy as a turn-around lynch.

Mac: Something when things obviously aren't going as planned.

[Jal]

Oh and also, why the fuck would you want the cop to investigate someone you think is town?

[Jal]

Uh I dont want a Buld lynch?

Why do you think I do Jal?

I think I misread.

[Jal]

Messiah's claim moved them to the scummier pile for me.

why would you not want them to investigate messiah?

We're not talking about me. We're talking about you and why since YOU not having a scum read would want a townie investigated above all.

[Jal]

I don't want to get into them all, but I don't think town has all these potential clearing and investigative roles, and I believe Ms M's claim.

[Jal]

I better bring it up now: Buldermar's slot is the one I wrote a case for earlier and declared he may very possibly be a PR. He either scum slipped hard early or PR slipped hard.

[Jal]

I would much rather Mac/qwints/Buld investigated.

Has there ever been a case of a scum "masoning" with town? I'm going to assume Slandaar would have to pull something out of his ass or be lynched tomorrow if scum. Could be buddies with Moliie as another alternative.

[Jal]

I wish I were smooth.

[Jal]

My reading is still the same from earlier.

I don't want to lynch him based on the the potential slip factor.

[Jal]

This game frustrates me.

[Jal]

My reading is still the same from earlier.

I don't want to lynch him based on the the potential slip factor.

but you were willing to lynch messiah who is an outed special do you see where I am going with this

This is as far as I will say about this subject.

[Jal]

Okay guy, look. Venmar probably provided the flavour. Assuming Slandaar is fake claiming, the the hell would Venmar give such sub-par flavour with a role that just wouldn't match?

[Jal]

My reading is still the same from earlier.

I don't want to lynch him based on the the potential slip factor.

but you were willing to lynch messiah who is an outed special do you see where I am going with this

This is as far as I will say about this subject.

so I just want to make this clear

you are 50/50 on buldey as scum or a potential pr

you are suspicious of messiah's claim - can you give a percentage on him?

cos if it is greater than 50/50 why did you vote slaandar earlier?

I'm quoting this for later/end-game, because you are an absolute numbskull this game who can't use your noggin for two seconds. I sure do hope you are scum trying to get a last minute lynch in, because what you're doing is anti-town as hell.

[Jal]

Well we know KoC is scum that was pretty loltacular.

Everyone going against Slandaar is scum. Ring the bells.

[Jal]

This is a NL either way anyone draws it.

[Jal]

It all depends if this is multiball.

KoC pulling flavour like that makes me think town. Although if they are scum knowing it's multiball due to low scum team members, then it's all fair game on that point.

And if Piratekitty is scum, it's probably one of Mac and Qwints at the very least.

P_edit: Bleh I barely even read ANG.

[Jal]

Actually, it's a bit weird that Slandaar's mason ability would bring back a negative qualifier if scum. That's an investigative role of its own.

[Jal]

Okay someone explain to me why Slandaar can't effectively clear himself and PC. I have never been in a scum mason game.

[Jal]

The only big problem I see is if he's scum with PC.

[Jal]

Then he would get that negative result indicating that they are scum.

I haven't seen a negative claim either - but most mason recruiting roles are not one shot.

I'm working on Em mason logic here.

Wouldn't you know the difference between being a mason vs a neighbour?

[Jal]

The only EM logic I used is a mason dying when recruiting scum.

Did you just declare Slandaar to be a neighborizor, PC? KoC is basically saying Slandaar's role doesn't make sense as town, and you confirmed it made sense as scum.

[Jal]

Right so, instead of anyone killing the outed or hinted at PRs, they decide to kill people who were generally read as townish (I don't care he got ran up, that happens. Don't think he would have been lynched for it). Hum hum.

Slandaar, do you have any reason to believe you were role blocked?

Buldermar, why did you think there was a possibility you'd be night killed over all the outed claims?

P-Edit: The game was not stalled by going on Slandaar. It was stalled when people thought there were only two options brought about by, "OH GOD 7 or 6 DAYS LEFT NOT ENOUGH TIME TO DO ANYTHING."

Also, the PC wagon came before the Messiah wagon sprouted up.

[Jal]

Referring to AP in first sentence there.

[Jal]

That is a shitty reason and I doubt having people run you up had you actually thinking that.

[Jal]

Wonder what?

Are you trying to say you think scum knew AP was hinting at being a flavor cop and scum Slandy & Co killed him based on this? Also, no one else claimed flavour when asked.

[Jal]

I'm going to believe Messiah on this one.

One question to Slandaar though: Is your "negative result" actually you not getting a mason qt thing but nothing else? You made it seem like you'd actually get a result back.

Only reason I was holding out on Bulder yesterday because it looked like he may have hinted at being cop. He obviously isn't and probably not a PR in general either.

P-edit: I'll read response later. Someone is whining about my typing.

[Jal]

First off, Buld isn't confirming anything.

If Buld does not come up with an in-thread explanation of why PC is suddenly town in his next post then he is scum. All you even need to think about are what roles are left to confirm someone and you'll come up with little-to-nothing unless he's getting messages.

Secondly, Venmar said this about flavour:

Please Read

The flavour in this game will be a bit unique. Each player will have their own unique death scene if they die or get lynched. The death scenes are documentations of how their character died throughout the history of the game. If someone dies, they are considered to have died throughout the history of the game's universe and I will write an alternate history of how they died. The flavour does not relate to any alignment, role, night outcome, or other player. Simply put, flavour is not relevant to anything whatsoever.

So looking at the flavour isn't wise and Mac's explanation doesn't make sense for why a sk would attack Mastin either way over another scum team as if there are two teams (and scum would know this by the way) then how would this work? But wait a minute, it still doesn't make sense. Why wouldn't scum want to kill someone mainly read as town with reads which may have been accurate? That doesn't qualify a sk or a second scum team theory.

If Mac flips scum, there's only one scum team imo as he's doing this thing I sometimes see where scum like to parade around their knowledge by suggesting the more accurate scenario.

Thirdly, I don't care about Slaandar so much as trying to make sense of things. He could have been role-blocked, but I don't know if I believe it but his last post was horrible. I can add a vote any time I want to.

[Jal]

Yeah, I thought he was actually going to get a confirmation of some kind, otherwise why wouldn't he just say "I would get in a qt with them."

[Jal]

It was a mistype: "I wouldn't get a qt with them." I am speaking of his negative result only.

@Mac

: Ho boy, someone is upset. I never said I knew anything about Gears of War. Venmar said flavor meant nothing and I pointed it out. Your move.

Let me ask you: Why would scum or SK kill Mastin the miller in any case? How does his miller claim mean shit all? Almost everyone thought Mastin was town except for Buld, GIF and someone else (I think Messiah). No matter which way you twist and turn it, Mastin was killed for being town. What point are you trying to make here regarding just his miller claim? If you think there's some shit regarding SK and flavour, go ahead but your logic regarding Mastin's miller claim is crap.

[Jal]

Add me to the list of not thinking Mastin was town. I meant to say it as, "myself, GIF, and someone else (I think Messiah)."

[Jal]

Not the last-minute one, which was clearly what I was referring to.

There was no last minute Messiah wagon. It's the same wagon which was there when you whined about it being a counter-wagon the first time.

Baacode, if Messiah's scum then vote for them and give reasons why.

[Jal]

What do you think about the fact that the Messiah counterwagon sprung up after Slandaar started gaining traction, thus stalling the game and eventually leading to a no-lynch?

I've read.

[Jal]

Meh.

[Jal]

That would be a really stupid thing for scum to do, as it would let people know who they are without possible reciprocation and risk being killed. You can kill one scum and not get rid of their kill. No one really benefits, except the team not stupid enough to do that. That comes towards end game, and isn't that more of a SK strategy? That's just stupid all around. I also believe he genuinely thinks there is just one scum team.

Yes, Buldy did soft claim and it's most likely crap.

[Jal]

Sure. Link me games where scum signaled early to each other they were scum and worked with each other. I've technically completed two multiball games on this site only and I've not seen this in play.

You're going to run into the flaw of, "okay enough townies are dead, welp, guess I'll kill that guy who I saw trying to signal."

Hell, if scum see the scumminess in others to know who the other scum team is composed of and you think the other person will pick up on it, then there's no point in "signaling." Also, you'd have to right on assume that those signaling are the towniest of the bunch trying not to be night killed and blah blah blaaahhhsjkflnc.

Considering I thought Buldy was a cop, no I didn't. If you thought I was soft claiming cop, then fantastic play from you trying to bang your head against me at the end of D1. If you are town, then I'm going to ask you to stop being so anti-town in your games in the future. I feel like I'm playing with Loranthaceae.

[Jal]

*takes in a big breath*

Considering her PR along with the other town and scum PRs, it didn't seem probably for there being a town watcher.

[Jal]

Good game though guys. I always think a victor deserves their victory.