A uPick of Ice & Fire - Day 12 - #REKT?

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dudes

VOTE: Cephrir cause his last few posts feel funny in my tummy.

Also, the correct response to the hydra thing is to

fucking think of them as one player

. If they aren't playing that way, they're hydraing wrong anyway.

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^ I advocate the post 80 method

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by god do we fucking have to have a discussion on hydras here? Can we

please

not?

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VOTE: elleheathen yeah I am way supercomfy with that wagon. the wight comment reads too much like a slip to ignore this early in the game.

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mmmmm the point brought up about roles-before-alignment pretty much invalidates that theory yeah

UNVOTE:

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I mean, I guess that Faraday could just flavor the scumteam as wights, but it doesn't seem like Faraday, especially when there are definitely a couple of explicitly undead characters that could get picked.

It was a shotgun thought, and in retrospect, not a terribly good one. *shrug*

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Quadz is making votes he believes we'll believe he believes instead of votes he believes though.

lolnope

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seriously, if that's what I was doing, wouldn't I have not unvoted

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I am not sure that's a real sentence.

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dayum p&j is town as shit guys

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Tammy seems a lot less confident than I remember her being in Experimental Role Mafia where she came in like a fucking screaming banshee. Noted.

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Good grief quadz is turning into MoI.

ouch

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tammy - fair nuff. I don't put a ton of stock in my meta of players, but I just remember you being confident to the point of obnoxiousness. It stuck out in my head so felt it was worth mentioning. Plus, wanted to see what your response to being called out on it was.

p-edit: Tierce, you're just basing that on my use of the word noted? I feel much less awful now.

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andy if you are faking this post restriction I am going to kick you in the goddamn teeth next time I'm in seattle

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##Vote: Quadz
Way too many non-sequitors not enough lynching mafias. Also don't like the unvote, you were convinced way too easily to drop something you thought was a slip.

By non-sequiturs, could you possibly be referring to me

responding to what was happening in the thread at the time of each post

? What a concept, I know. In regards to the unvote, I try to play fast and loose for the most part. I don't think too hard about my posts or reads (with the exception of lategame when I have enough information to make more thought worthwhile), and saying THIS IS A SCUMSLIP then realizing (with help from the thread) that it proooobably wasn't and saying so seems pretty reasonable to me.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Quadz

Lots of fluff posting without much content. His vote/unvote of elle seemed really awkward. However, at this point it's mostly a gut read. I still have some reading to do, so this may change.

see above

I remember not too long after #194, Llamarble pointed it out to me and we both had the same kneejerk "WOW LOOK AT THE OBVSCUM" reaction. I'll do my best to sum up our AIM convo about quadz but it basically ended up resulting in this:
-> Llamarble found the post scummy because something either is a slip or it isn't; he found the "this looks like a slip" comment to be scummy because scum want to go after things that :look like: slips in order to bolster the credibility of their votes and make them appear more believable.
-> I hate to use the "o" word here, but personally, I found his vote opportunistic given the above "slip" logic. Scum tend to care a lot more about making sure their actions appear justified in the eyes of everyone at large so I feel like he shoved the slip logic in there for that reason.
-> Shadoweh already pointed it out, but I really dislike his unvote in #213. Seems more like a backpedal after he began drawing some heat for it rather than it being a genuine "my bad". #227 doesn't make sense either since there's plenty of scum motivation in unvoting once something like 4 people react to the vote negatively.

-> This is dumb as shit, and there's not much more to it. I said "it looks like a scumslip" as opposed to "it is a scumslip"

because it looked like a scumslip

. I would be much more suspicious of someone who waltzed in with "THAT IS A SCUMSLIP" than "THAT LOOKS LIKE A SCUMSLIP." Boils down to a difference in communication styles.
-> K
-> See response to Shadoweh above. Also, you make a fair point with regards to 227, but I think that scum-me would have kept pushing on that in that situation. It would've been an easy thing to keep harping on and given myself something to do. I usually have trouble on Day 1 (seriously, I get lynched on D1 all the time as both alignments), and I think it's likely because I find the information from D1, with no flips to go on, incredibly difficult to work with.

Now that I'm done with that, readz.
Goat looks town.
Tammy / Shadoweh's whole FIND ME A MAN BIT is mostly ignorable, but the fact that they both seem to be softing the same thing is interesting.
I am extremely concerned that Andy is scum faking a Post Restriction, but that's :tinfoil: and has nothing substantiating it.
Alfred Borden seems town.
p&j remains town
kanye is probtown
Amrun leaning scum
Zdenek feels scummy

no one else has made an impression on me.

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BULLET TIME YOU SAY

but no seriously, I'm at a client site this week who has MS blocked, so I'm unable to really post during work hours. Yes, I posted in a couple of discussion threads from my phone, but discussion threads =/= 24p mafia game, and I pretty much refuse to phonepost in a game of this size, so yeah.

In other news:
StupendousMan seems to be kind of dumb, but I'm not getting alignment tells either way on him. (And for those of you familiar with my POLICY LYNCH THE THINGS meta, he seems dumb, but not

that

dumb.)
AlfredBorden, I'd like to hear why you think Zdenek is town. I agree with you reads on P&J and Tammy and am indifferent on Tierce, but on Zdenek, we seem to disagree. DESCRIBE AT ME, BRO.
I read the whole thread and that's pretty much all that stood out. Hi Nacho/Elli I guess?

Also, serous comment re: bullet time. I try to post relatively short posts as often as make sense given other posts that come through when I'm online, etc. This is intentional, as I think I get better reads based on spur-of-the-moment reactions from others and myself than I do from posts that take an hour and a half to write.

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kanye's not scum

kindly stop voting for him

ooba, on the other hand, is someone who keeps making me go AHHH every time he posts and then I promptly forget about him in the sea of Not Shitty Posts that surround his play

in fact

VOTE: ooba

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like seriously, check out ooba's iso

hello post
brief readslist
joke
explanation of joke
post 331, which is confusing at best and a misrep at worst
says he "still" reads elle as town after not mentioning outside of 331
response to question
asks about vote on himself

he has generated no actual content; his only reads were the initial readslist, his townread on elle, and then a couple of scumreads after Thor explicitly asked him to point out some scum for him

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k night night see you guys in the morning

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there is not a thing scummy in any of that behavior. Not a thing. It could go either way.
compare that to KKB's behavior which demonstrates wagon jumping... now if people tell me that is his normal town play, fine, and when I have time it may be concerning enough to meta check...

I disagree with everything you just said. Including the fact that wagon jumping is scummy. (And yes, this is yelling town-kanye.)

- My reads are my content

says he "still" reads elle as town

after not mentioning outside of 331

- elle is the first read on my "initial readslist"

"then a couple of scumreads after Thor explicitly asked him to point out some scum for him"

- This is a misrep that makes it sound like I never mentioned scumreads before this - kanye and Shadow were also mentioned in the "initial readslist" (although Cephrir and Garruk reduced on the scummy meter in the few pages in between)

- AlfredBow has not mentioned me anywhere except for the vote - so wanted to know why he thought I was scummy

-Reads by themselves are not content.
-I stand corrected on that point.
-That was not the intent of that particular quote, though I can see how it could be taken that way when read alone. The entire quote, which was "he has generated no actual content; his only reads were the initial readslist, his townread on elle, and then a couple of scumreads after Thor explicitly asked him to point out some scum for him" remains standing on its own merits, and a chunk of it taken out of context does not equal the whole.
-There are other instances of the same thing occurring in this game; why does the vote on

you

matter more?

I mean, I guess that Faraday could just flavor the scumteam as wights, but it doesn't seem like Faraday, especially when there are definitely a couple of explicitly undead characters that could get picked.

Why did this matter again?

Because of my headspace when calling out Elle for the "scumslip." That post absolutely matters in context.

I don't put a ton of stock in my meta of players, but I just remember you being confident to the point of obnoxiousness. It stuck out in my head so felt it was worth mentioning. Plus, wanted to see what your response to being called out on it was.

I sorta liked this.

k

interesting.

In what kind of way? In a "they are both town" or "they are both scum" or "one is scum" kind of way?

None of the above. In a "this is something to keep in mind depending on future events" kind of way.

I am extremely concerned that Andy is scum faking a Post Restriction, but that's :tinfoil: and has nothing substantiating it.

Seems like a pretty scary thought to me too.

not sure if srs, but my point here was that Town have

no reason

to fake a post restriction.

Amrun leaning scum
Zdenek feels scummy

Why?
And why didn't you vote either?

Gut feelings while reading the entire thread. And I didn't feel strongly enough about either to warrant a vote.
That said, upon re-reading Amrun's ISO, I think what pinged my scumdar is actually her scumread on P&J. Dunno why, but it is. Upon re-reading Zdenek, I don't like his votes on either Kanye OR Thor. Kanye is clearly town-kanye here, and he voted Thor due to the particulars of his claim, which is just off-the-wall ridiculous to me at this stage in the game when we know nothing about the setup. It feels like scum latching onto something that looks sketchy, even thought it's not actually scummy.

ooba, on the other hand, is someone who keeps making me go AHHH every time he posts and then I promptly forget about him in the sea of Not Shitty Posts that surround his play

ooba is town but feel free to bring words into this to prove me wrong

k

Off to work see you guys this evening!

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welcome back team

benmage is being incredibly thick and my Lynch For Being A Dumbass trigger is itching to get pulled

k there were a couple questions @ me in there lemme find them again

Re: all the questions about my kanye read - his posts feel like natural Kanye. It feels like sitting in a GD thread with Kanye. He feels town as shit, and if you aren't feeling the townvibes that are emanating from Kanye like light emanates from the sun, I don't think I can help you. (Seriously, I don't know how to explain it past "holy crap he feels so fucking town right now.")

You're that sure about this read AND you expect town-Zdenek to pick up in it? Why?

Being as sure as I am about it, why

wouldn't

I expect others to pick up on it?

@ooba in 513: Reads are nice. Reads are helpful after you die. Reads are important. Reads are not content that move the game forward. Also, why the hell is a vote on you more important than a vote on anyone else?

Quadz, #487 is painful to read, quote strips in bolded quote strips why. The best defense is a good offense, but I'm not sure if I agree with it. I think reads are the only content that matter. That and thought patterns. The counter that's been brought up is ooba's thought patterns are reasonable to follow.

I do not actually know what you're attempting to say here. Try again please?

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People normally don't all agree on a townread, ever, and certainly not so early, and certainly not so easily. But the few times everyone actually agrees on a townread because someone is just THAT town, even newscum can pick up on it.

ok? what's your point?

Premature townreads from scum who figure so and so will be obvtown eventually are a thing.

Ooba your step Ks have been about right for scum.

The sleep of a thousand waking princesses awaits. My primary bed is now a real bed for the first time in years >_>

...... what does this post even mean

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alfred- I am comfortable with you reading Tierce as town and I feel no burning desire for you to explain it. I just have a bitch of a time reading Tierce, pretty much.

Cephrir's 604 is goodposting

Why bother posting a reads list if it's going to be stack of waffles?

Wat. There are 2 reads in there that could be construed as waffling (unless you count his "probably"s as waffling, which is completely ridiculous and you shoud stop doing that). Misreps are not cool.

Need to see more from Messiah. Entry post was complete and also completely unremarkable.
Ok, very next post responding to Cephrir is pretty good. ^5

Still like Ooba vote (despite hilarity of 007 post). yayyyyyy

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JEEZ TIERCE READ THE GAME GOSH

man there have only been two posts in three hours it's like fucking christmas in here.

Also, I eagerly await Alfred's "more later." I could be forgetting things, but I don't think he's mentioned any of those scumreads before. (Maybe andrius?)

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catching up now

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Syryana seems decent on immediate catchup; nothing particularly sticks out as either alignment, though gut has him leaning town.

syry+tammy wedding thingy is interesting; to be discussed later, probably

I really like nautilius' method of AoE here; I was somewhat confused by it at first, but decided to just let it roll and see what happened. The fact that they're still rolling with it like they are seems town to me. (If this is just standard nacho-play, somebody tell me.)

elle's dicetags post seems

super

town to me

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p5330934 holy SHIT this is awful. Gone for 400 posts, and the

only comment you have

is that? jesus
that said, 811 is actually a decent case

I want more from kanye too, mostly because I like his reads

Tierce's safetydance vote confuses the shit out of me. splain plz (also, SD's response to it is good)

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Oh man, I didn't even realize it broke the rules. >_> That said, it's town because it just seemed very carefree. "Look at how dumb this argument is, I will show you by literally flipping a coin to find the answer" seemed town to me. It was the attitude behind the post.

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tammy that is adorable

stop it

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that is possibly the dumbest position I have ever seen anyone take ever

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Also if SafetyDance flips scum I am immediately calling for blood and lynching the Nautilius slot for the elleheathen/ellebereth/Ellibereth slip. In fact I am awfully tempted to go there immediately because how the heck do you do that unless Elli is present on your mind due to QT posts. I don't see the first post causing such an impression.

Nacho. You went and drew scum on us?

Yeah I am okay with this.

VOTE: SafetyDance


I hope to wake up and see GOOD THINGS from you, Nacho.

Holy fucking shit no it's not good. He has ten scumreads after reading the game for the first time? No, quadz. (Bonus factor is that it shows Nacho-scum if he flips scum, but I won't care about Nacho for like three Days). See stuff like this:

Care to inform me when the reason for your vote on him changed, Tierce? Cause it seems to me like someone came up with a better reason than you, and you decided to hop on and pretend it was your reason all along.

And for the record, this is a pretty good response to the reasoning for your vote (the only vote on him at the time besides Syryana, and the singular vote with any reasons attached):

I'm confused. What slip? If I'm the one who scumslipped why I am left in the dark over it?

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quadz, post before that:

Oh, was 721 game-related at all?

Nah, they went and eloped on us. A scandal, really, but what thrills.

Can you explain how on earth you happen to have ten scumreads?

Color me stupid. >_< nevermind, then. My post to you can be scratched more-or-less completely.

And for the record, this is a pretty good response to the reasoning for your vote (the only vote on him at the time besides Syryana, and the singular vote with any reasons attached):

I'm confused. What slip? If I'm the one who scumslipped why I am left in the dark over it?

How is "I'm confused" good? Hadn't someone just explained the possible-slip? Even if they hadn't, "good" is quite a stretch.

It's not good as in "this is full of insight and analysis and brilliant play." It's good as in "this is a town POV."

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YAYGAR!

quick vote ooba with me <3

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I don't even know what that

means

, Tierce. Get some sleep.

In other news, PLANES AND AIRPORT. See you dudes later.

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I got precisely nothing of any use out of the last three pages.

Ooba is still the best vote.

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I still don't like Zdenek. Amrun has moved into nullish territory, though that may be due to her being less of a presence in-thread.

I'm also growing more paranoid of Goat; I think I may be unintentionally giving them a pass because CDB is the Coolest Dude.

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I still don't like Zdenek. Amrun has moved into nullish territory, though that may be due to her being less of a presence in-thread.

I'm also growing more paranoid of Goat; I think I may be unintentionally giving them a pass because CDB is the Coolest Dude.

so if I tried to push a goat lynch through would you still support it even tho we both would cry cos cdb and av are the coolest dudes?

can you help me try?

lets see what comes of it

VOTE: goat people

See I was gonna hop on here to see what happened and then you moved your vote off of it too fast. Jerk.


Goat's response to the mild increase in pressure on them seems... strong. Filing that away for future reference more than anything.

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Yes, I know that. I've been there (like I said, I get lynched D1 a

lot

). That's why it's being "filed away for later." It's to analyze in context of future behavior.

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it's not

splain again

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*sigh*

Problem #1: 3000 fucking scumreads. Scummy by itself? No. Scummy when considered of the context that he's done jack fuck to narrow the list? Hell fuck yes.

Problem #2: Reaction to scumslip. As town, when somebody else goes up to me and says "LOL YOU SCUMSLIPT LOL", the immediate town reaction (in my humble 13er opinion) is some variant of "lolthefuckyousmokintierce".

What did we get? "What? I scumslipped? Where?" *looks for scumslip for 20 minutes* "Oh, you mean that?" *proceeds to overexplain scumslip*

Hmm...

Problem #3: Best reasoning for anybody being in his scumlist is "X is most likely to flip scum." No reason X is scum. No indication of thought process. No indication of scumhunting. Hell, corollary to that, there's no reason anybody in his list is any alignment. The moral of the story: THERE'S NO INDICATION OF THOUGHT PROCESS OR ANY KIND OF ALIGNMENT HUNTING IN HIS READS LIST OR ISO.

Questions?

Pedit: Tierce, I was attempting to troll the fuck out of mollie, and you are all up in me shit. Besides, I don't

need

gallantry, because I got bitches

lining up

to be all in me shit. Just ask Tammy and Shadoweh.

These are all "bad/new at mafia" tells rather than scumtells.

I'm not opposed to him getting lynched on D1 (and would join a lynchwagon on him for that with no qualms), due to him being, in fact, bad/new at mafia. Characterizing his play as scummy, though, is misguided at best.

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Ok, so for some reason I was conflating stupendousman and safetydance in my head when I made that post. I can appreciate the case on him a little bit better now. >_<

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Ok, so for some reason I was conflating stupendousman and safetydance in my head when I made that post. I can appreciate the case on him a little bit better now. >_<

Chrissakes, Ceph, read the fucking game.

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@ syrlacious

you iso him in this:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=29629

and then tell me that it is even remotely the same.

you have 8 freaking null reads and you are bitching about his scum reads while ignoring that he doesn't really differentiate between null and scum? [redacted] you

your case is downright

terrible

and reeks of opportunism in picking on low hanging fruit (which only makes sense if you are scum) and elitism (which I am surprised at you).

silly me. I had this retarded incredibly stupid idea that we were supposed to lynch scum not go for the easy lynch "just because" but mebbe that is cos it is my wc to do that. jesus fucking christ I subbed into a game that was about as confscum as you can get without a view and he was mislynched over me. your push on him looks scummy as fuck I don't care what anybody says.

tbf, "not differentiating" between scum and null reads is stupid at the very best.

that said, this post came from town

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AGar I love you for your vote

<3

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Zdenek, there is a significant lack of voting-kanye in that post where you say he can die

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I have stopped reading anything that is Thor and Benmage talking to one another since it's all useless drivel.

Can we

please

lynch Ooba now? His most recent spate of posts have not improved my view of him in the slightest. He asks questions, but they all seem to be filler-posts. His reasoning for his defenses on Amrun and Zdenek are extremely weak.

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@Quadz
- My top scum read jumped on to my wagon because 'oobas flaking' and im trying to figure out if that's it and why he isn't pushing other stronger scum reads? But sure - call it filler
- i never defended Amrun and Zednek. At least read my posts before posting "cases" on me

@Quadz
- My top scum read jumped on to my wagon because 'oobas flaking' and im trying to figure out if that's it and why he isn't pushing other stronger scum reads? But sure - call it filler
- i never defended Amrun and Zednek. At least read my posts before posting "cases" on me

Point 1 is fair.
Point 2 - I misremembered and said Zdenek instead of SD. But this sure looks like defending to me:

Vibe + Your major pushes in the game have been on Amrun and SafetyDance - both of whom I'm leaning town on and looked like very easy pushes at that time.

Also, Thor should answer M&M's question.

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To clarify "point 1 is fair:" His explanation of

why

he was asking the questions that I thought were filler makes sense, and proves the point that they were not, in fact, filler.

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cos I am pretty sure that they have been around but are ignoring the game for some reason.

this is a really shitty reason for a vote at this stage in the game when Goat has been around preeeetty regularly. "oh noez they have not posted in this thread for like 24 whole hours" is an

awful

fucking scumtell. plz to be trying again

in other news, I <3 town for the Ooba wagon. StupendousMan looks to have given up on trying to reason with the rest of the town, which actually reads as newtown in this context to me. (Also, I have no scumreads currently on the Ooba wagon, which is even better. A few nulls, but no scums.)

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I reeeeeeeally don't like Ceph's last post. "sorry I didn't agree with you guyyyys" doesn't seem terribly townish to me.

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I like my ooba wagon tyvm

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Mainly for their interaction with Benmage which seemed like they were just trying to be antagonistic.

So you're telling me that "you're trying to be antagonistic" is a stronger scumread than "you can die?"

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boy 1326 is wishy-washy

tomorrow (read: after we lynch ooba today) I will be looking carefully at you

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k

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dude

"I'm sorry I didn't agree with you guys about kanye" is

clearly

not talking to kanye

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You're right, I didn't quote that word for word. It seemed pretty obvious to me (and seemingly to AGar and Thor as well) that it was directed to everyone else in the game, not Kanye.

Am I gonna lynch you for just that? No. Does it look like you're pretending you said something that you didn't say? Abso-fucking-lutely, and it will be kept in mind in the future.

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WAAAAAAIT A MINUTE!!!

I see that as valid logic why Tierce looks scummy.

thor since when have you ever thought any of my logic was valid? name 1 other time in a game that you ever thought that something I said was valid or had anything to do with logic much less have any merit to it? in fact that is the whole reason as to why you always want to pl me and why we fight it is cos you say you can never understand a single thing I say. you're scum aren't you? oh god that is why you have been so civil isn't it?

VOTE: thor

no wonder the game is feeling so off there is a rotten apple trying to worm their way into town's core.

oh

oh my god

you

literally

just said "you don't think I'm a complete moron, therefore you are scum."

M&M is for vigging (or lynching, I wouldn't mind switching to lynching M&M after this post if the Ooba-wagon doesn't end up panning out)

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OK read up now, sorry it took so long but that was a lotalot of words to read

VOTE: goat

for voting a townread because 'flips are needed' when a null read of his also has a viable wagon

you're kidding, right? that's all you've got after 50-odd pages?

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I LEAVE FOR LIKE 36 HOURS AND THE OOBA WAGON BREAKS IN HALF WHAT THE HELL GUYS

If we aren't lynching Ooba today (which we should) I'd like to go for Macmollie instead. I understand the SD wagon (readslist post as discussed with me earlier stands out in particular), but I feel that there are better choices.

Another option I'd be down for is displaced, for pure uselessness. I'm less attached to that right now than Ooba or mac, though, simply because I want to see what his play looks like after he's made more than like 3 posts.

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I assume you're asking about my read on you, so I'll answer accordingly.

Yes, I do have a reason. See this post for exhibit A.

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This is you taking a very weak meta-tell and using it as a valid reason for a vote. Absolutely scummy. You've got a whole paragraph explaining your vote, which boils down to "you are accepting my thought process, which you've never done before." It's a horrific tell, and it seems reeeeeally unlikely that anyone can make that case and really believe it's a scumtell.

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they're mostly just there to make you sad, thor

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I will though there's no way I can read all of it, and I wonder if I will be able to even read the 3 wagons; still, I know a scum post when I see one. And I saw Ooba's post with 20/20 vision.

<3 listen to this man plz

That said, I will switch wagons tomorrow afternoon to ensure a lynch.

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The Safetydance wagon just got about 70 times better in the last page. The posting here is not coming from a town-getting-run-up mindset; this is obstinate caught scum.

VOTE: Safetydance

This is L-1.

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So a policy lynch? OK then.

this is obstinate caught scum.

try again plz

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I'm basically null on Garruk, Going here but should be around to switch at deadline if need be

VOTE: Ooba

I don't really know what to make of SD's last page or two (or the discussion surrounding it). After a night's sleep, I could see someone responding the way he did (read: frustratedly) as either alignment. The split in the discussion about it seems to agree with me.

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*sigh* Ooba lynch clearly not happening at this point, and Thorlynch is better than Garruklynch for wagon analysis possibilities, even though I don't have strong feelings about either of them in practice.

VOTE: Thor

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my god, ben, can you

be

any more obnoxious?

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VOTE: ooba

yayyyy

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had a really busy/shitty day

I may or may not get to this before tomorrow

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Post 1833 from Messiah is a weird and possibly bad post. "I don't like that people who hopped on the deadline wagon are on wagons of people I think are town" is what it seems like you're saying, and I don't see any possible use of that connection. Splain?

As mentioned by others, this is also a terrible post. I fail to see how using a fruitvend is anything other than a null tell.

Still cool with an ooba or quadz lynch.

How do you feel about the fact that Ooba is and has been my number 1 scumread?

I continue to not be able to read Amrun for shit.

Garruk's 1882 is quite good. The response to macmollie in particular gave me happy feelings.

Elleheathen approaching her case in 1891 from a town perspective. It's a good case, and the fact that she included his RVS vote needs to not take away from the important stuff in it.

I am fully willing to lynch benmage for Extreme Hubris.

I like Cephrir's 1914, with the exception of this bit:

Just because the reasons don't come along with the vote doesn't mean they don't exist. Did you think we were voting you for fun?

if you're voting for someone, unless it's a reaction test type thing, you damn well better explain why. If you don't, it's completely fair to assume that said reasons do not, in fact, exist.

As for you not being "able to handle real life", you can take your RL AtE and shove it. If you're not well enough to handle this game, replace out. Voting you for your lack of presence in the game and trying to push you to contribute when you have yet to do anything worth attention is something you should be expecting at this point. You've had plenty of time and no one forces you to sign up for multiple games when you are perfectly aware that it's a time when your life gets in the way. You make this kind of lame excuse in every game and it's extremely irritating. Get your priorities and your life in order before insisting that others have to accept it in a game you signed up for out of your goddamned free will.

QFT.

I don't like 1956 from Nautilius at all. Reads like fear from scum-Nacho who

reeeeally

wants people to believe he's town.

SD, I want to know why you voted amrun in 1960.

Alchemist, can you shed any light on the circumstances surrounding your entrance to the game?

[quadz08]

....... ok I'm lost

[quadz08]

@quadz: What I meant by "the reasons don't come along with the vote" was "the reasons have been given elsewhere".

That makes a lot more sense.

How do you feel about the fact that Ooba is and has been my number 1 scumread?

Doesn't really change much, but (below)...

I don't like 1956 from Nautilius at all. Reads like fear from scum-Nacho who

reeeeally

wants people to believe he's town.

I completely agree with this. If you help me get Nautilius lynched you will go in my town pile and there would be a wonderful scum flip.

I'm not convinced enough on Naut to vote just yet; they've made a lot of posts and the was the first one that I remember pinging my scumdar.

Also, to note regarding the Alchemist - http://www.westeros.org/Citadel/FAQ/Ent ... in_Oldtown. Murderer of Pate, probably Jaqen H'Gar. Not sure what that means here, but figured I'd share it just in case someone has a bright idea.

[quadz08]

@ Quadz et al: I already said that I would expect a scum JOAT to hang on to his fruit vend to at least pretend like he might try to use it to confirm himself as town, which is the only positive benefit of a fruit. Yelling at me and calling it "bad" because that's null and not townie without actually engaging my reasons for why I think what I think is pretty scummy

You mean this?

@ Nautilius: I would expect a scum JOAT to at least pretend to want to hold on to the fruit for a chance to confirm himself as town later in the game. Sending it N1 is like a giant middle finger with an "I'M TOWN, ASSHOLE" banner attached.

I do not see why doing the thing that is the opposite of what you say town should do makes him town. Would you like to tell me again that your logic isn't bad?

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What the fuck are you talking about? I am saying that a scum JOAT would not use his fruit N1. SD used his fruit N1. Ergo I think he's town.

You are saying he would not use his fruit N1

because town wouldn't use their fruit N1

. You are literally saying "he is town for making a suboptimal town play, because scum would make the optimal town play." Do you not see where the logic falls apart?

Let's put this bluntly and shortly because I am still on edge about someone doing this: Amrun has used grief for the death of a family member as an excuse not to post as scum, and felt perfectly okay with others giving her a pass for it. While I do not doubt she has RL issues, she is not above using them as an excuse and throwing a tantrum because she knows it hits a chord.

This thread is going to be extremely excited when Amrun gets back.

Is that typically your scum-Nacho experience?

I don't actually think I have a scum-Nacho experience. I know Nacho's personality decently well though, and I feel that he is unlikely to make a post that basically says "I knowwwww we'll try harrrderrrrr waaaaaa" when someone says "gee I'm not fully convinced you're town yet."

AGar, read Elle's 2057 and try to tell me she's scum again, please. Your vote is bad and it makes me sad.

Guys I want to point out that the Ooba wagon is stagnating / disappearing because Ooba has become a non-presence today.

This is scummy all by itself.

Please don't leave me dudes.

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I said I was surprised because Shadoweh usually reads me as town regardless of any of our respective alignments, and now she's making me work for it.

So it was a comment specifically directed at Shadoweh?

HI SPYREX

[quadz08]

"I expected you to have a solid townread on me now" was directed at Shadoweh.
The rest was more directed to the general populace.

I appreciate your honesty, but in that case I think it's still scummy, as it was the "I need to TOWN DOUBLEEXTRAHARD" bit that bugged me in the first place. (After thinking about it, it probably would have been scummy regardless of your answer to my question, so.)

[quadz08]

You are saying he would not use his fruit N1 because town wouldn't use their fruit N1. You are literally saying "he is town for making a suboptimal town play, because scum would make the optimal town play." Do you not see where the logic falls apart?

Yes, that is literally what I am saying. There is more town motivation to using the fruit N1 than scum. What aren't you getting about this?

Can someone else help me out here? Is my point difficult to understand, or incorrect? Clearly Desp and I aren't seeing eye-to-eye on this, and I am completely at a loss on how to make him understand my point.

[quadz08]

yes

[quadz08]

Ok, I understand your reasoning there a little better with the additional explanation on the other actions in his kit. I disagree with it still, as SD was far from a prime target on D1, so I feel that his scumpartners are likely to have talked him down from using his track/roleblock immediately (and he may have just not been that worried about it himself) if they felt using the fruitvend first was the optimal town play (as you state it is). Tracks and roleblocks are more useful lategame for scum, just as they are for town; they have more information about town PRs and who to use limited-shot roles on, etc.

[quadz08]

VOTE: Naut

nobody loves my ooba wagon EVEN AFTER I PLEADED PEOPLE NOT TO LET IT DIE JUST BECAUSE HE'S LURKING

jerks

[quadz08]

<3

[quadz08]

aodfghaspfojasdpfgojhaweprfojaspfvohajrfoj

VOTE: Spyrex what the actual fuck

also Garruk there are only 5 goddamn votes on him, including mine. It still takes 11 to lynch. Don't be stupid.

[quadz08]

Vote: SpyreX

I guess I don't have a vote today but the point remains

splain plz

[quadz08]

Re: AGar's vote - I think that "you said you were working on this all day today" is totally valid when Amrun had been promising it for literally days beforehand. I don't see the scum motivation in that vote. Would I personally have made that my reason for an L-1 vote? No, I wouldn't have. Does that mean it was scummy? Not at all.

[quadz08]

@quadz

who are your top 3 scum right now?

Ooba, Spyrex, Nautilius.

[quadz08]

@quadz

who are your top 3 scum right now?

Ooba, Spyrex, Nautilius.

Could you do a quick bullet why for each?

Ooba - Was scummy D1 (see my ISO for case) and lurked his way out of a D2 wagon
Spyrex - Hammer on Amrun
Naut - Post about how he should try Extra Hard to be town (also discussed in my ISO in greater detail)

Naut is a weaker read than the other two.

[quadz08]

Interested to hear Stup's response to benmage

still don't like agar wagon, especially vs. Spyrex wagon (as he says, hammering based on 12 pages of reading is Supah Scummeh)

[quadz08]

HEY SPYREX-WHO-HAS-NOT-BEEN-IN-THREAD-YET-AND-HAS-SEVERAL-VOTES-ON-HIM-BECAUSE-OF-HIS-HAMMER

WHY DID YOU HAMMER

better?

[quadz08]

Spy that's a decent post with some stuff in it, and the ponits on Elle are good. However, I don't understand your point on AGar (that case on SD was perfectly valid, and he was far from the only person to make it; why is he the only one that gets called out on it?), and possibly more importantly, you're now justifying your hammer with "well now that I

have

read the whole game, I still would have done it." That's not a reason to do it in the first place, and I don't think there's town motivation to do so without having read the whole game.

My vote stays for now. (I am not jumping on a growing Ooba wagon, guys, this is how bad I think Spy's hammer was.)

[quadz08]

What case on SD, AGar was voting ooba and said SD's list was a null-tell

Looked back and you are correct. If so, then why did Spyrex present it like AGar was using that as a case? Or did Spyrex mean that AGar presenting it as null was, in fact, scummy?

Spyrex also just claimed his role interacts with hammers. He probably saw L-1, saw 'IF HAMMER = USE POWER' and thought 'I'M GOING TO VEGAS'.

This reasoning can go jump off a goddamned bridge. Unless his power is "hammer a dude or two and WIN GAME," it's not worth hammering

someone you cannot possibly have a read on

.

I'm really confused about why so many people are saying thinks like Spyrex is bad, but LOL we can forgive him, vote someone else.

It's making me nervous.

this post is so awful. I agree with the first sentence in theory, but I don't think there are actually many people saying that in practice, so it's basically "this sounds good I'll say it." The second sentence is just fucking terrible. Are the "so many people" saying that all scum? Bad bad bad. (Benmage puts it nicely when he says it's disingenuous.)

Kanye continues to be holy-shit levels of town, and his 2329 point is quite good.

AH AH AH NAUTILIUS WHAT THE FUCK IS YOUR POSTING GOD AGH GET IT OFF GET IT OFF. (Seriously, you come into the thread with "x and y are town, oh and z wants to be town? sure she's town too" and

nothing else

? no fuck that
VOTE: Naut

In what universe is that case on SD 'perfectly valid'? There are some who were on him that were more legit than others, but parroting the volume of scum reads as some kind of magic tell sarcasm font isn't it. I didn't even blink an eye at it catching up.

I'm not 'justifying' it. I had reasons but even if I didn't I probably would have taken it - I'm just sayin after the fact I dont feel bad about it. If it was some kind of really bad wagon I shot through I'd have felt bad, at least. It is what it is. Replace into a hammer early? I'm takin it almost every time. This time it was just even more perfect.

Clarify for me if you thought AGar was calling SD scum or null with what you quoted, please.
Also, show me examples of you taking that opportunity in the past, or expressing willingness to do so. Forgive me if I don't just take your word for it.

oh christ Cephrir's 2348 is just fucking awful. I will be watching that one with interest.

[quadz08]

It's a nulltell but SpyreX could still totally be (and probably is) scum. I don't mind riding stupid hammer rage to kill a hard to lynch SpyreX-scum.

Wow this is awful. Can you explain HOW spyrex totally could be and probably still is scum? You haven't actually presented anything saying why you think Spy is scummy except "he wouldn't have hammered in such a boring way." (So far as I can see, if I'm missing something, please point it out.) Even your gigantic post is full of nothing but townreads, with a bit tacked at the end that says "I'd lynch these three dudes but I ain't tellin' you why."

That said, your gigantic set of posts was a decent start when taken out of the no-case-on-spyrex context, so I'm somewhat of two minds on it.

[quadz08]

This is appalling. What's the problem with Townhunting? And what's your problem with Nautilius's handling of SpyreX when YOU were pushing SpyreX as well?

There is no problem with Townhunting; the problem is with the complete lack of scumhunting (and the scumreads were not presented as PoE either). And what, because he's voting for Spyrex, he's automatically immune from suspicion from me? That's ridiculous, but it's the only way I can parse your second sentence, so if you meant something else, please clarify.

[quadz08]

Giving reads is miles different than posting a case, which is really what I meant when I said "scumhunting" (poor word choice on my part).

Why is not having a singular opinion on the Naut posts strange?

[quadz08]

Tierce, can you expound on that quadz vote, please? Is there more than meets the eye? (Not a dig, just your votes today have felt off-the-hip so I want to know if this one matches that profile or if you have deeper reasoning there)

They haven't really been off-the-hip--I've been trying to think things through, and occasionally it's only after I place a vote that I realize something and/or something happens that makes me change that read.


Anyway, on quadz--yes, he's perfectly allowed to have scumreads both on Nautilius and on SpyreX, but the form of the attack on Nacho for Nacho's stance on SpyreX was off. And his whole attack on Nacho over his latest posts is superficial; the things he has issue with make no sense from a Town PoV. Look at this:

AH AH AH NAUTILIUS WHAT THE FUCK IS YOUR POSTING GOD AGH GET IT OFF GET IT OFF. (Seriously, you come into the thread with "x and y are town, oh and z wants to be town? sure she's town too" and

nothing else

? no fuck that
VOTE: Naut

First point: Nacho was replying to SpyreX's list of reads:

Benmage
Cephrir
Garruk Relentless
Messiah Complex
quadz08
Shadoweh
Tammy
Tierce

Tierce is town.
Shadoweh is town.
Messiah

feels

very, very town but I need to finish a reread to be sure.

...so Nacho doing "nothing else" doesn't really apply, as that kind of thing can be brief enough. And this very post states Nacho was rereading. quadz ignores this and attacks Nacho for the absence of more. See below, because this point has developments.

Second point: the Tammy/Nacho interaction...

AHEM.

and tammy's town too.

...was

clearly

a joke and it was obvious that Nacho already had a Townread on Tammy, so acting like that was what Nacho was

really

posting is a disingenuous misinterpretation of his post. (See my "pushover" joke after Nacho's post, etc.)

Note that quadz is complaining about one of two things: either Nacho is not explaining enough, or he is not scumhunting (what?). Then Nacho goes and performs a dissection of several ISOs and explains how several people are Town. quadz's complaint becomes that Nacho isn't posting cases, and that reads != cases. I... what? Not even going into theory nonsense here, Nacho

is

posting cases[/i]. Look at Nacho's ooba read. That is a "this person is Town and this is why" case if I ever saw one. He's also making "these things are scummy and this is why" statements. He has reads in flux and shows his work. And what is with this moving the goalposts nonsense? Nacho makes several beautifully detailed posts, but it's still not enough because he ought to do something else in quadz's perception? What of what Nacho

is

doing? Why doesn't quadz care about that? I believe that's what Cephrir is saying when he complains that quadz has no real opinion on Nacho's posts; he doesn't seem to care about the

content

of the posts, just that they are not tailored to some measure quadz keeps changing.

I'm going to say this very clearly -

Nautilius Did Not Explain His Scumreads

. This is the crux of the problem, and I apologize if that was not made clear in my earlier posts about Naut. He has not explained his scumreads since... actually, now that I look at his ISO, I don't actually see

any

explanation of a single vote Naut has made all game. Lots of calling people town with cases on why they are town, and then votes with no reasoning on any of them. I can overlook this on D1 cause it's D1, and I can assume the implied reasoning on the Amrun vote (he quotes amrun saying she's been busy in the same post he vote her). But seriously, if you're going to write a gigantic fucking set of posts on D3 of a large game,

surely you can come up with some goddamn reasons to vote someone

.
In regards to my point about his townlist after coming back into the game for the first time in 4 pages, I missed that he said he was finishing a re-read. I assume this re-read led up to his giant posts which still contained no reasons for any of his scumreads.

If somebody wants to prove me wrong and point out reasons he's given for his votes, please, be my guest. I sure as hell aren't finding them. And I frankly don't give a fuck how pretty and nice your town-cases are,

if you aren't giving reasoning for your scum reads, you aren't being town

.

[quadz08]

I started going through the playerlist in alphabetical order to see who I thought was town and who was scum. I ended up thinking the majority of the first half of the playerlist seemed town (but I wasn't finding many scumreads in the bottom half), so I started reassessing the townreads and taking away the ones I felt were weak. I don't like that you ended up pretty much ignoring the posts I did make, though. Is your basis of reading me "explaining his scumreads", or...?

So then... are your scumreads PoE? If they are, then ok, that's fine, but then I ask why there are people who you didn't put in either the town or scum camps. Also, yes, the primary basis of my read on you is that you have scumreads you aren't explaining.

[quadz08]

Does me not being done with explaining my reads change that at all?

It will when you finish explaining your reads. Did you say you weren't done somewhere?

[quadz08]

I'm thinking Zed might be a better lynch.

Why?

In other news,
Unvote: Spyrex
Vote: elleheathen

Why?

I support the SpyreX wagon but like my lonely vote on Nautilius better for now.

I thiiiiink I'm ok with the Zdenek wagon as well, but need to pay more attention to him to make sure I still think he's scum. He's fallen off the radar for me, but it's more because I haven't been paying as much attention to his posts that anything else.

[quadz08]

TheAlchemist really needs to start playing soon.

trufax

[quadz08]

@quadz

SpyreX, Agar, Zdenek... whose scummiest?

spyrex at the moment (my earlier caveat about my read on zdenek still applies)

[quadz08]

Messiah - I didn't like spy's hammer at all, and he replaced into a slot that was previously useless. I can absolutely see well-respected scum come into the thread and land a hammer on town like that. I'm voting Naut because I don't think those reasons are as strong as my reasons to vote Naut, and also because of the general insistence that SpyreX would make that hammer as either alignment.

[quadz08]

But no one's really biting on Naut because they're town and your case (correct me if I'm wrong, but Naut is scum because Nacho isn't hunting scum) is weak/borderline irrational.

- Des

*shrug* if people disagree then people disagree, and I'll move elsewhere when I'm satisfied that my case isn't going to pick up any steam / it becomes otherwise prudent to do so.

I'm also waiting for a response from Naut to my last question to them.

[quadz08]

I'll post some things at some point today

[quadz08]

I know I'm a bad lynch. I really feel like SpyreX is a bad lynch. But today is not going to end in any other lynch. Let's be realistic here. The end of D2 was way too polarizing for most of the players in this game. No one wants to budge on those. Clearly if push comes to shove, I'm voting SpyreX, and he's voting me. The town needs to come to a consensus on one or the other and just lynch it and progress, because we're literally getting absolutely nowhere in this game right now. Half the town is lurking, and part of that is because we're beating a dead horse. A group feels I'm scummy for putting Amrun at L-1 to bait a quicklynch. Another group feels SpyreX is scummy for quickhammering. There's a handful of people who feel both of us are scummy. This is literally all today has given us, and all that it is going to give us.

this is an extremely defeatist thing for L-6 AGar to say. We're nowhere near a lynch and have not been all day. I feel like town-AGar should be fighting, not giving up.

Oh and Quadz is fence-sitting scum.

lolk

Improvement from Nautilius here (ACTUAL SCUMREADS WITH ACTUAL REASONS WOW) though I am somewhat torn. The catchup progression seems legitimate when looked at in its totality, but it just seems totally bizarre that he wouldn't focus on his scumreads first.

I echo the prevailing sentiment of "god dammit, alchemist, post some actual fucking words please"

Ooba's work on his Spy case all makes sense, but it just doesn't feel good to me. It's all predicated on his claim and how his predecessors played with that claim in mind, but it seems like a gigantic reach to say "these two lurking people didn't play optimally towards their role." Of course they didn't, they're Giant Useless Lurksacks. *shrug*

VOTE: Benmage

splain plz

Cephrir, explain what you think is wrong with elle's 2578, cause I'm not seeing it.

UNVOTE: for now, will vote someone else at some point when I feel like voting someone.

[quadz08]

VOTE: The Alchemist

This is a good idea

[quadz08]

dat detective work from tierce

dayum son

[quadz08]

So alchemist has gone from "hey let's drop a pressure vote" to "Christ, clearly here and posting, and still

not actually doing anything

."

Let's killitdead please

[quadz08]

nothing has happened to change my opinion of anything

I would like to hear Naut's reasoning for switching though

[quadz08]

Please don't speed lynch today. Should have a window to go over the game 7-10pm tonight. Otherwise Friday-day sometime (around lunch).

Deadline Date: 25th of October at 16:05 EDT

just throwing that out there

[quadz08]

But you can see Syryana-town doing that?

[quadz08]

To this extent? Where he fell completely off the map and produced literally zero content?

[quadz08]

christ sakes

[quadz08]

for fuck's sake

"I have lurked through the entire day to the extent that people

thought I was a different player

, but here, have an unproven claim!" deathdeathdeath

[quadz08]

obviously the switch-to-alchemist bit is legit, I mean the coin.

[quadz08]

I am prepared to be unsurprised when there is no coin.

[quadz08]

I am prepared to be unsurprised when there is no coin.

What happens when there is a coin?

1 - If we let her live to test it then we are bad at mafia
2 - I will eat my words like it is a tasty pie
3 - Her play will be awful, but at least she won't have been outright lying? I'd have to figure out where precisely she falls alignment-wise if it actually comes to pass, but it would certainly make her less likely to be scum.

But I don't think it means one of those killing roles is scum.

I am prepared to be unsurprised when there is no coin.

Roles! Alignments! Geeerrreuuugh

It's not the role itself that makes her scummy. It's that she's claimed something clearly designed to be a "keep me aliiiiiiive" switch. It is testable, yes, but it's a 1-shot ability. What if she was "roleblocked" tomorrow? We keep her alive another day?

A girl should give a man his own name.

Should the coin be a real thing, this is an excellent idea.

[quadz08]

I still like Alchemist better and am holding out hope for the wagon to swing back this way, but I am a-ok with a spyrex death here too.

[quadz08]

I'm here, need to do some re-reading before I say anything useful in here

[quadz08]

So I said I was going to re-read, but then I realized that lolno.

So I'm instead going to point out that 1) Ooba hasn't been a scumread of mine for a bit now, and his analysis posts on possible SpyreX buddies puts him in the town pile at the moment and 2) I like it so much that I will

VOTE: Elle

party

[quadz08]

*sigh* basic mafia theory, man. You out tracks if they give you pseudo-guilties, not pseudo-innocents, unless another claim contradicts your results or it's fullclaim time.

Curious to see how he responds to Garruk's question.

[quadz08]

better question, titus: who gives a shit? why are you discussing irrelevant theory?

[quadz08]

It is not theory. I am trying to see the reasons behind PJ's vote. PJ is voting elle because Elle voted Thor. I see nothing wrong with that voting. Why so defensive?

Ah, didn't see that was PJ's reason for voting Elle. Retracted.

well if he roleblocked Quadz N2, then w/e no point voting for Quadz. If N3, then yes, lynch Quadz. simple stuff

Quadz, nothing on this?

What's there to say? We don't know what SafetyDance actually meant, and I'm not particularly concerned about him possibly claiming to have roleblocked me. I'll freak out about it when people start voting me for it. *shrug*

[quadz08]

lol

So the options are: SafetyDance is fucking up his fakeclaim and pretending he's not, or he legitimately thinks he's been crystal clear

something tells me it's option #1

VOTE: SafetyDance

[quadz08]

SD

must

confuse

town


this feels like he suscribes to the Kuribo Guide To Being Mafia (carnival of lunacy, etc) but is rather poor at it more than anything else. Yes, I've seen town be dumb at claims before, but this level of obstinacy is just simply not town. No way no how.

[quadz08]

Mad high-fives for Righteous Justice Tammy

[quadz08]

ASK ME THE QUESTIONS, BRIDGEKEEPER, I AM NOT AFRAID

I will buddy people who do things that are town and accurate and filled with the Righteous Justice Passion all goddamn day long

[quadz08]

Dear Ooba,

My opinions can change.

<3 quadz


Alchemist, why the Titus vote?

[quadz08]

AGar, why are you not voting SD after just explaining the fact that he blatantly contradicted himself? It's not even like you're saying "HE'S TOWN AND JUST CONFUSED OR SOME SHIT" because you say we should lynch him tomorrow.

splain yourself.

[quadz08]

*sigh* I'm clearly missing something that everyone else is seeing. Whatever.

[quadz08]

I'm serious, I have no

fucking

clue what AGar is talking about in his post. I'm absolutely fucking lost.

[quadz08]

sorry, busy day yesterday, will try to read/post today

[quadz08]

OK.

So,in case nobody noticed, over the weekend my motivation levels dropped (probably a symptom of suddenly becoming a seemingly-universal scumread overnight after having been seen as Pretty Damn Town up to that point), I've been dealing with some personal shit, and I was quite frankly not sure how to respond to the pressure on me, in large part because holy shit Ooba's case is a slam dunk. If I were someone else, I'd vote me based on that case. It's fucking good, and I'm frustrated that the way my votes have moved this game just so happen to look Really Fucking Scummy.

All that said, I'm not terribly hopeful that I'll be able to straight up talk myself out of this one. Instead, I'm going to claim. YAY CLAIMS.

I am Aeron "The Damphair" Greyjoy, and I'm basically a Macho Cop. If I'm targeted by any protective role, they will receive a message that says "THE DROWNED GOD IS THE ONE TRUE GOD, AND I NEED NO PROTECTION BUT HIS," and their action will fail.
I used my N1 cop on Goat on a Raft because I always have billions of trouble reading CDB. They're town.
N2 I targeted Macmollie, who was a null-read of mine, and got town (of course).
N3 I targeted SafetyDance, because he had more-or-less fallen off the map. My action failed.

My vote on SD today was

largely because his mixing-up of night actions implies heavily that he

did

roleblock me last night

.

Now can we please go back to lynching him? Thank you.

[quadz08]

What makes them bad? I investigate people I don't think I'll get good reads on via dayplay.

[quadz08]

lol

"your targets were bad, better lynch the cop"

not even "I think you're lying about being the cop"

no, just "your targets are bad"

[quadz08]

He claimed his Machoness so that town PRs wouldn't target him.

Partially this and partially because it's confirmable.

[quadz08]

Messiah, if you "see it now," why didn't you switch your vote?

[quadz08]

If you believe all that, which you seem to, why are you voting SD and not me? You seem a lot more confident in my scumflip than his.

[quadz08]

That makes sense.

[quadz08]

*shrug* no point in assuming it's multiball until we get multiple kills or multiple faction flips. Could go either way at the moment, but Occam's Razor on number of kills suggests 1 scumteam.

[quadz08]

.....

do you think he's scum or not? Or do you just think Garruk is scummier?

[quadz08]

You have better things to do

than park your vote on a 1v1 in which you think there's a guaranteed liar



.....


what.

[quadz08]

We don't have to lynch Right This Damn Second, no, but what the fuck is the point of having your vote elsewhere? Comment on and make cases on other people, sure, but if you're gonna end up voting one of us, why not just

vote one of us

?

[quadz08]

Messiah, I don't know if you've ever been on a wagon before, but *shocker* it's still

6 more votes

to lynch either one of us. Fear of a lynch is silly. If you think Garruk is scummier, just fucking say so, don't dance around it like a ballerina on a merry-go-round.

[quadz08]

FFS, why didn't you just say that in the first place.

[quadz08]

My current reads consist of SD Is Lying Scum.

Also I have some townreads. (My previous scumreads include dead scum-Spy, now-town Ooba, and now-null Nautilius).

[quadz08]

I voted you as soon as it was clear you had fucked up your fakeclaim. *shrug*

[quadz08]

You clearly fucked it up, thought your attempt to say you didn't is admirable. Very determined.

I

did not receive a result last night

. I didn't get a guilty on you. I was roleblocked, and I think you are the one who roleblocked me. Why the

fuck

would I out myself as cop unless I'm being run up or I've got a 100% guilty result on someone? That would be exceptionally dumb.

[quadz08]

I did not crumb cop.

I thought I had crumbed something on my Goat result, but upon looking back in my ISO to find it, it doesn't look like I did. >_<


Kanye, can you explain what's gross about the post you just quoted?

[quadz08]

I feel like letting these sorts of things continue existing always turns out badly.

dingdingding

[quadz08]

post something useful

also coinfirm that you didn't rb me last night kthx

[quadz08]

It is possible that a non-SD scum RB could have targeted me last night, I suppose, and SD actually

did

track me to nowhere.

Hrm.

UNVOTE:

[quadz08]

goat you should read the thread

it's good for you

[quadz08]

Ok so I didn't block quadz.

REALLY didn't think I had to come out and actually say that because earlier, but I did not block quadz.

SD's claim has been very fucked (Naut isn't a ninja/ninjas avoid detection/I totally blocked Naut N2, tracked quadz N3), and SD's claim today of his results was almost as if he slipped with a block result ("quadz did not visit Tierce, or anyone for that matter.")

Let's not start down the trail of "scum RB blocked quadz" unless you're willing to string up SD, because that's really just not plausible. Be real.

SD should be dead by now.

I don't have any idea what to make of this post. If you don't think it's plausible that I was roleblocked by scum, then why aren't you voting me, since no town player has claimed to have roleblocked me?

[quadz08]

the final blow to the town was dealt by benmage

this is fitting, I feel

[quadz08]

benmage will never play in one of my games, nor will I play in a game with him if I can help it

[quadz08]

on a happier note, I really liked the setup, Faraday. It was well done, which is rough to do in a big upick like this one. ^5s all round.

[quadz08]

lynching thor was absolutely silly, IMO

As a note, Ooba's case on me was fucking spectacular. I read that thing and absolutely knew I was completely fucked. Well done to him.

[quadz08]

Seriously, Messiah was obscenely good.