The Fall of Gondolin Mafia: Game Over (The Tale of Gondolin)

[sirdanilot]

I AM SO BUTT HURT RIGHT NOW

Reck, you've never said truer words.

Vote: Reck

Happy to see this run for a bit.

Claim: Vanilla

Discuss.

POLICY VOTE ESPEONAGE

For lack of anything better at this point. That claim is horrible.

I don't know the flavor either, other then having read LotR books and skipped the elf wall of texts.

This wagon looks silly to me, but every Day 1 argument does. It's not like anything beyond what's in your role pm is important anyways.

Hey it's one of his scumbuddies !

[sirdanilot]

Oh mod that was maybe not clear. I am really voting Espeonage. VOTE: Espeonage

Also a talk about Spyrex: He is one of the most orthodox, conservative players I know, so I am not surprised at all about his decision to keep his vote on Espeonage forever. I will remember that you said this though. I think it's null of spyrex. Also, spyrex always thinks I am scum, so this will be a funny game if Espeonage doesn't die, haha.

I do think Espeonage deserves death here, though.

The reck-tierce thing is just fucking stupid especially from Tierce's side, though I cannot call it scummy at this point.

Scum: Espeonage, Shadoweh

[sirdanilot]

Reck is obvtown what are you all doin?!?!

Will you join me in my noble quest to lynch Espeonage?

[sirdanilot]

VOTE: xReckonerx

Oh just spotted this. I can guess your answer: 'No because I'm his scumbuddy, shhh !'

[sirdanilot]

Scum: Espeonage, Shadoweh, Shos

[sirdanilot]

As I said, Spyrex is null. He would do this as scum or town. Even if Esp is his scumbuddy, he is so orthodox and conservative he'd just park his vote on Esp all game. I will only start thinking twice about this once spyrex actually removes his vote off of Esp.

[sirdanilot]

No one is giving any inclination of a why I am scummy. Everyone either doesn't give a rat's backside or is never going to stop voting me.

Look, the main reason why I am voting you is because you deserve to die for that stupid claim.

I am not sure if you are actually scummy yet (because page 3 and all) but you are

certainly

not townie.
Do you think Spyrex is scum for his vote park?

I got endgamed the last time I claimed vanilla day 1.

Now thi statement

does

make you scummy. You're not going to threaten me that you will not be lynched sir.

[sirdanilot]

My post didn't have anything to do with Esp's claim? I don't understand what's going on there. I do remember why I was so hesitant to join this game though.

No it didn't, but you are scum, and since I am not assuming multiple factions (until proven otherwise) that makes you Esp's scumbuddy for now.

I think you now know why I caught you or do you need me to say it again?

[sirdanilot]

It was in relation to your, it'll be funny comment.

Why is it a stupid claim? No one is addressing this, and unless someone gives me reason to think otherwise it's unfounded.

I did it because I wanted to see where it would run, and figured it would shake things up. As a vanilla there isn't much weird about it. The assumption is that a majority of the playerlist will be vanilla given that this is specifically non-bastard. So therfore I figured it'd be a nice little shake up type action.

How does any of that equate to stupid claim?

If you are town, a vanilla claim is stupid because it means that the scum now have less chance of hitting VT with their night kill. Are you so stupid not to know that? I don't think you are. Therefore you deserve to die.

[sirdanilot]

Do you think you are unlikely to be lynched because of your vanilla claim?

I mean, this game for once actually has good players. And both spyrex and I will see to it that you get lynched. Your play is not to be tolerated. It is ALWAYS bad for the town to claim unnecessarily.

You deserve to die.

Please, people, please don't DERP by chasing idiotic town v town banter and just LYNCH THIS SCUMBAG RIGHT HERE.

You're also assuming I'm making sane and logical choices, something many people in this game will tell you is categorically not the case.

That is not an excuse.

God I hate the site meta these days. If you said this in 2008 you'd be lynched before you could say another word.

[sirdanilot]

Natirasha, remember that game where you claimed miller beginning of day 1 and flipped scum? It was quite a while ago.

[sirdanilot]

Natirasha why is your vote not on esp ?!

[sirdanilot]

Yes I am from the old days too. I still only play in a small amount of games at a time.

Good I like your reads.

What are everyone's shos, shadoweh and especially Esp reads? And does anyone else feel like Esp should die?

[sirdanilot]

I am so pissed ignore doesn't work in the mafia section so I might accidentally glance all these posts I'm going to be ignoring. If you really think a VT claim makes someone auto-lynchable then you're an even bigger idiot then I thought you were. It's also not 5 years ago so grow up.

"Joined: 2011". Who the hell are you even? I certainly have no idea who you are. In any case, if you are going to bring personal attacks into this game (wherever they may come from since I have not the slightest idea who you are and I don't really care anyway) you are every bit as anti-town as Esp. Glancing over or ignoring posts is also the most stupid thing to do. Though hey you're scum so you can get away with it.

Nat, want to bus my scumbuddy shos with me? I heard I should have unspeakable urges to lynch him for some reason.

Shos is a good lynch candidate, though I'd prefer to kill those persons who actually need to die first namely Esp.

[sirdanilot]

I am willing to go onto the shos wagon, though I am still of the opinion Esp should be lynched. Maybe I'll add that to my posts as a 'Ceterum censeo Carthaginem delendam esse'.

VOTE: Shos

@ Shadoweh: I am not going to continue this personal argument with you. I have no idea who you are, or what your problem is. If you have a problem with me, the correct play for you is to replace out and refrain from joining further games in which I am playing. If you keep harassing me about seemingly personal stuff (though I have no idea how I can have any personal quarrel with someone I do not know) I will contact the mod.

[sirdanilot]

Oh let me rephrase above post for the people who aren't reading what I say: My scum are currently Esp, Shos and Shadoweh, so I'm already happy that one of them is being wagoned.

[sirdanilot]

Shos you should die. Leetspeak sucks by the way.

Desp I can only agree with your reads partly.

- Reck/tierce seems null to me though I understand where the scummy vibe came from I think it is null.
- Yes I do agree with you shadoweh seems scum, but please do explain the meta.
- Esp's VT claim is not 'fine'. Improving the chances of scum to hit a PR with their NK (because the more VTs are outed, the higher the chance to hit a PR) is not 'fine'. It is a lynachable offense. And because people like you who find an early day 1 VT claim 'fine'are getting more and more common on this site, it's also a good tactic as scum since apparently people find them 'towny' for it. Barf.
- Shos is scum.

I can understand that you are voting shadoweh, but I think that at this time a vote for shos is more informative, I would like to see how he acts.

[sirdanilot]

Spyrex

, who do you think is esp's scumbuddy? Do you agree with my shos and shadoweh reads?

[sirdanilot]

^ I could imagine esp-scum using that gambit and try claiming VT on page 1.
Another thing that you haven't addressed is that Esp leaves room open to change his claim later. Now it THAT AINT SCUMMY I DONT KNOW WHAT IS.
And thirdly, IF he's town then a policy lynch will learn him that his play is absolutely no good and extremely detrimental to the town.

[sirdanilot]

- Maybe yeah. You have any of those links I asked for?
- I didn't address it because right now it's just a threat. If he should decide to go that route, you will have my sword.
- That's all well and good, but it misses my point. You want to lynch him because, if he's a VT, then claiming VT makes it easier for the scum to night kill power roles. But if you lynch him, and he flips town, then it's equally easy for the scum to night kill power roles. So if you aren't convinced he's scum fakeclaiming (which you clearly aren't) then why do you want him dead? Other than to teach him a lesson that won't have any positive effect on the game we are actually playing right now.

Well look at it this way; if we lynch Esp, we will lynch either VT or scum. Lynching VT is not such a disaster (and I won't accept any claim-changing to PR), and lynching scum is good. If we choose anyone else on whom the scum read isn't that storng, then we could lynch vt, PR or scum.

I prefer the VT-scum choice in that case. Though I will not lynch Esp over someone who we have a very solid scum read on. In that regard I differ from Spyrex.

[sirdanilot]

Yes I am from the old days too. I still only play in a small amount of games at a time.

Good I like your reads.

What are everyone's shos, shadoweh and especially Esp reads? And does anyone else feel like Esp should die?

Shos is eh.
Shadoweh is town.
Esp, I think I could actually get behind as scum.

Reck is fine, btw. UNVOTE:

How do you read shadoweh town? Though he is number three out of my scumreads, and obviously mot of the game I haven't had any meaningful interaction with yet.

THANK you for seeing the err of Esp's ways

[sirdanilot]

THIS IS GAWLD

EVERYONE JOIN ME ILL EXPLAIN LATERZ

VOTE: Natirasha

I think I actually have to sort of agree with shos here. Nat feels off.

My reference point of nat is that he claims miller first thing page 1 and is scum, and he did not do that now so I don't share your read just yet. But we'll see.

[sirdanilot]

This is true, but this is very characteristic for reck, and regardless Reck is conftown to me so nobody vote him please. let's just say that if I were a doc I'd doc him regardless of what happens today

K just noting this here, this is interesting. Don't like how you are claiming this so early though, absolutely no need for it. A couple pages back during the reck wagon, yes, but now?

and finally someone spotted this. it was a teeny reaction test as it was and it managed to get at least one fish - I called him town and voted him, and for that I and him are both scum, yes? kewlz.
^^^that guy is probscum as well - helps a policy wagon based on bullshit-who-publicly-admits-he-doesn't-even-think-target-is-scum, and this.

Your little reaction test was good, but the conclusions you're jumping to are terrible. Any towny would point out an obvious inconsistency like 'X is obvtown' vs 'vote x'.

I think that your (sirdan) post 90 is way too forced. in general, all your posting so quickly in the game looks terribly fake, like you're trying to look like you're a hardcore scumhunter by post 11, having 10 scumreads on 9 people who posted 8 posts with 7 votes on 6 people. I mean seriously, take a fucking look at your own ISO and tell me if that is something regular in a 4-page 18-people mafia game. there's literally no way one can muster up so much in true seriousness, and it realy doesn't look like you're joking, not a titbit.

Check my meta guy. 3 scumreads isn't that much. And aside from Esp who should die nothing is certain yet.

I actually like your Natirasha case better than the case on you. But your read of me is very ill-informed.

unvote shos

VOTE: Natirasha

[sirdanilot]

What is the point of the CODE thing? If there is no point, please stop using it, it's extremely annoying.

That is true, but not every towny would go vote me on the spot for that, call me scum, etc. a normal townie would point the inconsistency and direct a question to me.

Well yeah that's how I roll dude. The town's strongest weapon is the vote; I often vote people while questioning them.

I don't like the way Peregrine came into the game like that. I'm wondering if he even read the thread.

I didn't like it either but I suppose he just didn't read the thread and made a RV assuming the thread to still be in rvs. I expect actual content from him now though.

[sirdanilot]

What is the point of you posting? If there is no point, please stop, it's extremely annoying.

Hahaha no.

Lol reck that's bad, read the thread guy

[sirdanilot]

wtf there was a 5th page ok

I see shos's post now. Still a dumb reaction test IMO but I do agree that sirdan's reasoning is pretty horse shit

VOTE: sirdan

lol

[sirdanilot]

It does sound like a natirasha thing to do. Like claiming miller on page 1 and being scum.

[sirdanilot]

ABR did you read the thread yet?

[sirdanilot]

Shos - Esp's VT claim is not 'fine'. Improving the chances of scum to hit a PR with their NK (because the more VTs are outed, the higher the chance to hit a PR) is not 'fine'. It is a lynachable offense. And because people like you who find an early day 1 VT claim 'fine'are getting more and more common on this site, it's also a good tactic as scum since apparently people find them 'towny' for it. Barf.

Why would you assume that Esp is telling the truth about his role? That makes no sense.

Okay I may be some sort of neolithic person but remember LaL? It means LYNCH ALL LIARS. Claiming A then switching around to B is something I will not allow. He's a VT now, and if he claims otherwise he's fucking dead.

YOU KILL ME BECAUSE IF THE SCUMS JOB IS TO KILL STRONG PLAYERS, THE TOWNS JOB NEEDS TO BE TO KILL THE WEAK. Unless there's something actually useful, thats the default. Somewhere along the way its been lost.

THANK YOU SPYREX

And haha you ALWAYS think I'm scum it's hilarious.

I want to see where the natirasha wagon goes though. CES why are you not voting natirasha? Tierce why arey ou not voting natirasha? Etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

[sirdanilot]

Claiming VT is not an obvious lie. Claiming VT is a claim. Lynch All Liars should have NEVER disappeared from site meta. Wow where has this site gone to.

Tierce I won't forgot that you promised to come up with a better scum than Reck. Don't back out and keep vote parking !

[sirdanilot]

I don't necessarily want you to vote someone else (well, I would want you to vote esp or nat but not if you don't see the case on them). I want you to SCUMHUNT, Tierce. And I want you to start scumhunting as quick as possible !

Is nat scum? Still haven't answered that
Is esp scum? New question
Why is reck scum? Is reck even scum? Also new questions.

Answer !

[sirdanilot]

Town only wins mafia games if town TALKS. And with talking I don't mean LOLREACTIONTEST HURHUR or LOLFAKECLAIMASTOWN HUR HUR but I mean actual scumhutning. You don't need walls of text to scumhunt, or quote walls. I prefer short tidbits myself, but to each their own.

So guys, sucmhunt !

[sirdanilot]

Should die ASAP because scum: Esp
Scum: Nat, maybe shadoweh, and probably a couple of the plethora of people that have hardly posted yet.
Town: I read shos (and by extension reck) as town currently. His latest posting has been good.

I am tempted to read spyrex as town because I agree with him but that's of course a trap as not all scum have ass backwards reads, so I'll put him at null.

[sirdanilot]

Post 147 was good, continue that way tierce !

[sirdanilot]

Els, what is the difference between my Esp want-to-lynch and spyrex' vote park? At worst they are both null.

Shos, I do not mean that all reaction tests are bad; I actually thought your reaction test with the reck thing was pretty good, though your conclusions of me-scum were not; it was a perfectly valid reason to vote you, reck even did so before he saw the page after that, and from your perspective Reck is town. In fact I would look more at people who completely ignored your 'gambit' there, than at people who voted you/called you out for it.

And yes the reck wagon is stupid as all hell.

[sirdanilot]

Okay, I will separate my policy reasons from my scum read.

Policy reasons: I think I went over this already, VT claim on page 1 is bad, lynch all liars, won't tolerate him claimchanging, anti town, yadayadayada

Esp is a scumread : If you iso me you'll see that I actually said most of this earlier, in various posts. But I'll go over it once more.

And the second is out there already and will remain in minds.

And I'd rather people not know if I'm going to take it back later or not.

The fact that he leaves room open for a claim change is ridiculous; it gives him a pass to fake claim ANYTHING. This is more of a policy-reason to vote Esp than a scum reason, admittedly.

I got endgamed the last time I claimed vanilla day 1.

If this is not scummy, I don't know what is? He's threatening that he won't get lynched regardless of his horrible VT claim. Do you not see the scumminess in that?

You're also assuming I'm making sane and logical choices, something many people in this game will tell you is categorically not the case.

And do you

really think this is not scummy?

Again he's giving himself a pass to do anything he pleases.

[sirdanilot]

Scum play: give yourself a free pass to do anything you so please so that they cannot scumread you for it.

Town play: do what is in the best interest of the town, do not derp play only for your own meta or for who knows what reason. Stick to your wincon. Do not lie (unless in very extreme circumstances; ideally, a town lie should only be discovered after the game ended; if people discovered earlier and you are not confirmed in anyway, you are probably scum and should die).

Also if you are on my wagon and happen to be town you should read this game of mine: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=9014 . If you are scum please don't read it and just keep your vote parked on me. Thank you.

[sirdanilot]

In the context it was, it looked like an ok defense of your attack. Do you have reason to believe Esp is a logical player? To be fair, I'm interested in other people opinions. Is there someone in the game that can vouch for the fact that Esp tends to do this kind of "things".

I do not have history with esp, but apparently Nat does and he seems a logical player. Though admittedly Nat is not the most reliable source.

I gave up reading this when i noticed it was a 5 years old game. What is so interesting in this game that makes it relevant 5 years after?

I did not play for a couple of years. Interesting aspects of that game include:
- The fact that everyone always thinks I am scum due to my aggressive play style
- The fact that I

do

sometimes lie as town; in this game I fake claimed doc while I was one shot doc and it was for the town win. My point is that lying as town can only be done in exceptional situations.

The two posts that you refer as those that convinced you that Esp was scum (instead of derptown) are #63 and #70 (#39 being meh according to you). But you push Esp as scum in #56, #59 and #60. My vote stays.

Firstly, the posts you state where when the majority of the game was still random voting phase. It was the best to go off of at that time. I had no interest in the reck wagon because it was stupid.
Secondly, you forgot my post 73 where I called Esp out for his post 70 and 63. I also called him out for the latter in post 65. That is when my true scum read developed on him. I actually said in post 65 that I was not sure of my scumread on him. But then I read the threatening about not getting lynched and I did develop it.

Do you think you are unlikely to be lynched because of your vanilla claim?

I mean, this game for once actually has good players. And both spyrex and I will see to it that you get lynched. Your play is not to be tolerated. It is ALWAYS bad for the town to claim unnecessarily.

You deserve to die.

Please, people, please don't DERP by chasing idiotic town v town banter and just LYNCH THIS SCUMBAG RIGHT HERE.

You're also assuming I'm making sane and logical choices, something many people in this game will tell you is categorically not the case.

That is not an excuse.

God I hate the site meta these days. If you said this in 2008 you'd be lynched before you could say another word.

[sirdanilot]

The wagon on Nat is golden. A wagon on esp would be golden; I'd like to see where it would bring us. The wagons on reck and me are dumb, especially the reasonless votes on me (I don't mind the cases on me so much).

ActionDan: nat wagon? pleeeease?

[sirdanilot]

Esp, if you had read what I said you would have known that nobody discovered my lie in that game until the game ended.

And you know what, I don't think people are going to lynch you in this game because people have forgotten how to play mafia properly: by lynching people who are deliberately doing anti-town things, that will only EVER hurt the town and do ABSOLUTELY NO GOOD.

I am done defending myself.

Els: Okay, so you read me scum. Okay. We got it. And you're fence sitting on nat. Any other reads?

[sirdanilot]

I have explained why it is anti twn, Esp.

I suppose you're from after the age of Lynch All Liars because you joined in 2009?

[sirdanilot]

You got your reads pretty right, except for your read on me and I think esp. I read you as town currently.

Would like to hear more from ABR.

[sirdanilot]

Yeah that was a RVS vote, but you read nat scum I presume?

[sirdanilot]

note to self:
if any one of AD and Sirdanilot is scum, the other is too.

Meh all I saw was AD having a town read on me right? That wouldn't clear him in my mind. Or did I miss something.

And of course, if one of {shos, reck} is scum the other is too.

[sirdanilot]

Didnt you say reck was town somewhere (with more conviction than just 'I read reck as town')? Or did I read that wrong?

[sirdanilot]

Shos how the fuck is that a reason to vote me? I clearly misunderstood this post:

This is true, but this is very characteristic for reck, and regardless Reck is conftown to me so nobody vote him please. let's just say that if I were a doc I'd doc him regardless of what happens today

[sirdanilot]

ABR:Your iso fits within one printscreen. It's terrible. Please improve. Thank you.

[sirdanilot]

His avatar makes him very sympathetic

[sirdanilot]

unvote

VOTE: ABR

Are you going to force me to stop voting you?

[sirdanilot]

Code: Select all

Scrutinizing Tierce's posts honestly doesn't seem that useful. Her alignment seems obvious as-is.

Are you going to do meta research on sirdan? Because I feel like a) I should, b) I don't want to and c) I probably shouldn't actually; just do maths stuff instead.

Dude we played together, though I remember it was an exceptionally boring game, not sure if the game even finished to completion. Not necessarily because of players, perhaps because of the mod. It was ages ago.


oh wait chamber said that I think. The neighbourhood thing is confusing. Oh well.

[sirdanilot]

Well I prefer to know what's going on there thankyouverymuch. I do get it now but it's still confusing.

[sirdanilot]

Vote: Sirdan

This feels good. Read his posts as if everything is fake and it all makes perfect sense. Occam's Razor scumhunting.

That is not occam's razor scumhunting, that is 'I have decided someone is scum and I will now support this with bulshit evidence' scumhunting. Aka confirmation bias as actiondan said.

Nah I'm gonna hide behind my unlynchable status.

Shit likes this makes me want to revote you. Or rather have a gazillion of votes for all the people that should be voted (esp, you, currently ABR)

Did you give thought that maybe I am an ultracool PR? It would make sense, I get lynched far too much to leave it to chance. ooooooooooooooo

HORRIBLEHORRIBLEHORRIBLEHORRIBLE

DIE DIE DIE

Guys can we PLEASE just all shift to this guy?

@sirdan's posting. Look at how he demands to know everything, town definitely wants information yes, but scum need it. It's like how White shouldn't lose tempo because they have the foot up on black in chess.

Lol what the fuck?

Can we wagon Esp please, guys? Or rather just lynch the damn scumbag.

[sirdanilot]

Yeah just die already, that was horrible, your claim was horrible, EVERYTHING YOU HAVE DONE SO FAR WAS HORRIBLE.

Look I am willing to accept that you are town doing shitty play. I really am, and I believe that in modern day fucked up meta, there are town who do this kind of ridiculous play. But your overall play as I have explained in several posts does not ring town to me, not even slightly.

[sirdanilot]

A neutral read is not really something you 'disagree' with. You just haven't seen the scumminess of Nat's ways yet. If you would read nat town then yes I would disagree with you.

I agree with your read on spyrex: his attack can be faked. However, I am not yet sure if it

is

faked. We're only on page 11 and the vast majority of people hardly ever posts anything useful in this game.

I agree on ABR and tierce. Tierce sounds like the kind of person to push bullshit arguments as town with other town. But I don't have experience with him so we'll see.

[sirdanilot]

The neighbourhood thing is confusing.

At this point in the game, I'm confused about how you are confused by non-standard posting.

Can you read this?

How about this?

I currently understand the neighbourhood thing as the codes CES posts to be what chamber said and vice versa. Or am I understanding something inherently wrong here, and is what they say also in their posts?

I don't remember ever playing a game with neighbours. I'm a normal game kind of guy usually.

[sirdanilot]

Dude we played together, though I remember it was an exceptionally boring game, not sure if the game even finished to completion. Not necessarily because of players, perhaps because of the mod. It was ages ago.

5 minutes of research suggests you may be thinking of Cogito Ergo Scum.

Is that even a different player?

[sirdanilot]

Tip good, Nat

is

scum. I am not, but you're not the only one to misread me.

Why are you not voting, tip? You said you read the entire thread?

[sirdanilot]

Also

Jacob I want some reads. Posting 2 posts up until now with wiffly-waffly reads (except Spyrx-town which strikes me as odd) does not an active, town-contributing player make.

[sirdanilot]

stop buddying me, thanks
I had two pages left and now I'm ISOing both of you

If you don't vote soon then I will indeed stop buddying you, buddy. But okay, finish the iso.

[sirdanilot]

VOTE: JacobSavage

this dies

[sirdanilot]

Why are chamber and action dan different from the rest? Is this some kind of horrible soft claim type of thing?

[sirdanilot]

So you only have two mild town reads and you have no scum reads at all yet, not even mild ones. In addition, you are not doing anything to

get

those scum or town reads.

Seems legit.

[sirdanilot]

This is also something where site meta has gone down the drain. Saying 'yeah I don't find anyone scum' and doing nothing in the form of scumhunting used to be a lynchable offense.

[sirdanilot]

Is your definition of playing mafia not posting any content and voting people without reasoning?

[sirdanilot]

If reck or me are the two possible scum candidates for you then that is pretty awful by the way, as I don't read reck/tip scum. though of course we're only on page 13 and nobody is posting any content to speak of.

[sirdanilot]

Well nobody in this game is saying anything remotely useful or relevant, so it's better than most.

Seriously guys, do you expect that we win at this rate? Seriously?

This is why we can't have nice things (such as a town win)

[sirdanilot]

Well nobody in this game is saying anything remotely useful or relevant, so it's better than most.

Seriously guys, do you expect that we win at this rate? Seriously?

This is why we can't have nice things (such as a town win)

I'm fairly certain that if asked, everyone would agree that you are the largest source of noise in this game. What you define as useful and relevant simply doesn't match up with everyone else, stop bitching about it.

Says you as a 2005 player. Meta was not like this back then, was it?

Not scumhunting is scummy

; noncomittal reads are not scummy. The alternative is potentially fabricating opinions on other players just to appear decisive. How does that benefit anyone? If someone says, "yeah I don't find anyone scum," the obvious response is, "well, who is the most scummy?"

This is

exactly

my point. Not scumhunting is scummy. I see people in this game that a) have no scum reads b) are not doing ANYTHING ABOUT IT. That is not only scummy, it is downright detrimental to the town win condition. So either these people are scum meaning they should die, or they are town not playing to their wincon, meaning they should die, be modkilled or replaced out.

[sirdanilot]

chamber gets a townread.

sirdani and natirasha are still both scum guys. there are too few votes on nati.

This

is :goodposting:. See, you don't have to be

right

to be goodposting and be pro-active and be helping the town. Town is usually not right. But at the very least you should be doing something like this guy here.

Yeah even a bullshit case that I am now 'buddying' people is better than what some people in this thread are doing.

[sirdanilot]

No i'm not a native speaker. So?

It means the broken and stilted english has an explanation other than nervousness from being scum.

This is indeed quite nonsensical as many players on the site do not speak english as their native language. Me included.

Also nervous scum usually just previews their posts and changes them endlessly, rather than that they let their nervousness slip through. Nervousness might be a tell with chat mafia or skype mafia or in real life, but not with forum mafia. Except with newb scum of course.

[sirdanilot]

^ Yes, which is therefore a better thing to look for than bad english in posts. Town just say what's out there and don't need to endlessly edit their posts.

[sirdanilot]

Why are there five votes on tip/reck? That wagon is shitty. I prefer the natirasha wagon, or a wagon on jacob could also have potential.

[sirdanilot]

Tierece, mafia is not a game you can play alone. You're looking for another game then. People will not play exactly the way you want to.

Also apparently my wagon wasn't so bad eh?

Spyrex who is scum other than should-die-esp?

[sirdanilot]

Deadline is in 6 days, 18 hours, 56 minutes.

We haven't had a single GOOD wagon here, guys. Do you

really

think Town is going to win this way? Really?
I mean, I know the day 1 hate and all, but if you get some GOOD wagons on day 2 then you can use that info the other days.

With this apathetic town we're not getting anywhere. JacobSavage wagon is a good idea right now.

[sirdanilot]

List of non-contributing people in this game:

ABR: Chooses two people, me and reck/tip, of which one is scum. Both are extremely bad choices. Posts absolutely no content at all.
MafiaSSK/Desp: Back when they posted they actually weren't half bad, but they should post
JS: No scum read, very shitty town read. This should die.
ESP: DERP LET ME CLAIM VANILLA AS A REACTION TEST DURP. Is also scum and should die.
Spyrex: Correctly states that esp should die, but am not seeing anything else other than some comments on me. More comments please.
Nat: is natirasha, nuff said

[sirdanilot]

Oh for fucks sake tip

[sirdanilot]

Guys, wagon the following people:

JS
ABR
MAFIASSK (?)
ESP OF COURSE SHOULD DIE

[sirdanilot]

Tierce your playstyle is fire and water with mine, apparently. You are the kind of townie to go all RAAAH RAGE against other townies. Stop doing that. It has absolutely no use. If I want to post, I post. If I don't want to post, I don't post.

Your wagon on reck was good thing of you to do, but it was for stupid reasons. Your scumhunting now is a lot better.

Tip was that vigshot even real? Then hear me words, oh town. And in that case that was a HORRIBLE HORRIBLE HORRIBLE vigshot, tip. You should have shot ESP. Go cry in a corner and be ashamed of yourself.

[sirdanilot]

VOTE: Espeonage

Nobody in this game likes wagons to pressure people, so I guess it has no use. So instead, I will just vote the person who deserves to die most.

If I am killed upon the next votecount because tip was for real then GAH I think lynching tip is even in order just because of his stupidity. Unless he is not one shot but can do this multiple times (nope don't claim that yet).

[sirdanilot]

You're wrong about at least one of those nat

[sirdanilot]

I like Eol. Tierce is not yet town

who might eol be?

ABR: Vote esp. That's a golden vote. You have your reads ass backwards

[sirdanilot]

ABR is not going to explain his vote on me. ABR-scum is not going to incriminate himsef by providing an explanation with his vote. He's just not gonna go there. ABR town could provide an explanation, but he could also just wait and see who is getting lynched. I don't think he would even care if I or tip did not get lynched today, he would just keep badgering on and on, or move to actually scummy targets rather than these extremely crappy reads. Also, ABR town wants to keep up his ABR scum meta.

[sirdanilot]

I think we can only read ABR if we have knowledge of bandwagons and flips. From my perspective, I think ABR may very well be scum because his reads are absolute crap. I would not expect such crappy reads from ABR town.

[sirdanilot]

The argument about scum not reading is extremely dumb, stupid and ignorant, not to mention that it makes no sense and also it's stupid.

Spyrex having an eternal nat-hate? Wouldn't surprise me. As I said, Spyrex is a conservative and orthodox player, once he decides someone is scum they are scum until all eternity and probably in other games he's playing with them too. It surprises me that he doesn't read me scum in this game, but my last game with spyrex was half a decade ago or so.

[sirdanilot]

If desp wasn't a bad lynch at this point I would vote desp for the stupid 'scum don't read' shit. Consider yoruself warned.

Good lynches at this point: Esp, JacobSavage
Good wagons at this point: Esp, SajocSavage, Nat

[sirdanilot]

Well, depending on how your wagon develops and how you react, you may be a good lynch or not.

I must say I am less certain of nat-scum than before, but that might be because there's just SO MUCH SHITTINESS on your wagon, such as the scum reading thing.

[sirdanilot]

The Esp wagon is at this point much more shiny bright wonderfully pretty and good smelling than the Nat wagon

[sirdanilot]

Best option is to NK those

But this does not strike me as a game with a jester tbh

[sirdanilot]

^ Hey it's Tierce the RAAH RAGE TOWNIE

Tierce, who out of nat/esp/shos are scum?

[sirdanilot]

Could someone please vig sirdan or Esp tonight? I really do not want this inane conflict to last longer than it has too.

Yeah OR we just lynch Esp. The merits of lynching esp:

- either a completely useless derp-townie is dead, or scum is dead. probably the latter
- Spyrex's vote lock will be over and he can be actually useful
- The aforementioned 'conflict' is over

Win - win - win .

I could go with a JacobSavage lynch, but I really prefer Esp to just die die and die. I am increasingly disliking the nat wagon.

ABR dear could you become less useless and vote for scum, ie. esp or js?
Same goes for peregrine, though you are not so useless your vote is in a useless place at this point.

[sirdanilot]

Nat do you think Esp is scum or do you just don't want to die?

It's not that I read you town necessarily, I just don't like your wagon so much as I used to. This is gut for a large part.

[sirdanilot]

It's because you don't like Aegor, right? Vigging people to stop them from talking is pretty no. Lynching Espi to unlock Spyrex isn't on the list though, Spyrex will eventually drop it one way or another.
At this point Peregrine seems to be going with 'gut' so I'm just going to wait until he gets bored of voting me and picks a real target. At least use that laser eye vision to read the s that comes before the he.

In fact I think a spyrex lynch is in order if he drops the shiny golden magnificent Esp vote, and it's not strictly necessary (such a some lylo situation or claim or something like that).

I fall into the trap of always visualising people as their avvie.

[sirdanilot]

Yeah guys let's go for a lurker lynch on someone who wasn't even half bad before they flaked. Sounds like a very good idea and will certainly let the town win. Especially because there are much better lynches, such as esp, but obviously lynching a useless lurker is a better idea.

[sirdanilot]

The fact that the badnwagon is started by another such useless player (CES) makes the wagon even better, obviously.

Yep, town will win this for sure.

[sirdanilot]

That is so incredibly stupid, you are probably scum too.

Firstly, the reck wagon was horribly terribad. Some of the biggest scumbags were on it (Esp, you, aegor doesn't look too good either though I haven't read him yet, that'll come later) and it was half RVS anyway.
Yes, he didn't revote anyone which is kinda bad. I dislike players who don't use their vote. But that doesn't mean that mafiassk is scum. He did express some reads (such as esp scum which is a correct conclusion, nat scum which is also not half bad). I would have liked him using his vote, but he flaked. Note that between his unvote and his last post, there's not even a full RL day.

[sirdanilot]

The fact that you are trying to start a counter wagon to protect your buddies Nat and/or Esp is a very thinly veiled distraction attempt.

Sadly, the town is so braindead that they WILL sheep you and you WILL get away with it and make it to lylo, and pull some bullshit and win the game as scum.

[sirdanilot]

Protip: if only one of nat/esp is your buddy, please just hop onto the wagon for the other one. At least we'll have one less detrimental-to-the-town player. Not that mafiassk is not detrimental to the town as there are no flakerreplacemetns, but that aside.

[sirdanilot]

Firstly, the reck wagon was horribly terribad. Some of the biggest scumbags were on it (Esp, you, aegor doesn't look too good either though I haven't read him yet, that'll come later) and it was half RVS anyway.

Which wasn't his stated reasoning. The Reckwagon was a good thing because it created pressure and informative situations without significant chance of it turning into a lynch (because Reck); but regardless of what you think of the wagon, "Reck is fine, btw." combined with an unvote is just a scummy reaction.

I doubt he flaked either; he lurks on purpose.

- He hasn't posted in 7 real life days.

MOD CAN YOU MODKILL MAFIASSK AS THE BAM RULES STATE?

. Or at least replace him out.

12.) If you do not post for the equivalent of a full game day (at least six days long) you will be modkilled at the end of the day. Further, you will be blacklisted from any future games using the BaM ruleset. Keep in mind that there are no replacements for flaking in a BaM ruleset game. Other circumstances requiring replacement are up to the mods discretion.

-Okay I checked and he is posting in other games. This makes your case slightly stronger.

- My main point is not really that reck is not very scummy (though it does help), but that the people on that wagon were quite bad. The wagon was bad. I would not exclude a tip/reck wagon later in the game, though he's still no top scumread of mine at all.

[sirdanilot]

Why the hell no, always worth a try

VOTE: MafiaSSK

[sirdanilot]

Because mafiassk is active lurking. I though he had flaked before I checked his activity.

Any questions?

[sirdanilot]

But he did post in other games...

[sirdanilot]

Though actually upon giving a quick glance at his ISO, I could totally get behind an Esp wagon too. If deadline starts to become a problem, you can count my vote there.

But let's try and get CES-scum here now, yeah?

Adequate

VOTE: Esp

I dunno where to start tbh. Ask me stuff. I'm here and willing, but not motivated to reread because it's a shitfest. Contributed by me, but still a shitfest. Directed and scaled questions are more than welcomed and will count as townpoints for actively helping town get a voice.

Does nobody see the scumminess here? Really? Giving a condition for town reads (so that his buddy can score townie points), not reading anyone, etc.

And truth be told, the only reason to not lynch me is because you're waiting for me to contribute. Because I doubt anyone can really have too firm of a read on me from my meager offering.

Don't worry about that scummyboy, reading you just fine

catching up now

[sirdanilot]

Ces, you are dissapointed scum that failed making a good counter wagon to your buddy esp, and that now just hops onto the esp wagon so that """"no one will suspect me later because I was on my buddy's wagon"""""?

[sirdanilot]

(ppsst: doesn't work, just stick to your counter wagon next time, however useless. thanks for helping esp-should-die get lynched though)

[sirdanilot]

Tip just vote Esp, it's the best possible vote ever

[sirdanilot]

We can look at mafiassk tomorrow.

Esp is the lynch today.

[sirdanilot]

Tip the party is at Esp's

[sirdanilot]

Espeonage - 7 - SpyreX, Shadoweh, TheIrishPope, Natirasha, CES, sirdanilot, mafiassk

Looks good guys.

[sirdanilot]

Yes and you shouldn't have. Hop right back on, tip.

I mean, do you really think a mafiassk lynch is happening today? Don't waste your vote.

[sirdanilot]

Meh, I read CES-scum too so my vision is clouded here. Your case is certainly not strong enough to switch the wagon over to mafiassk.

[sirdanilot]

I would go with a JS wagon, but Esp wagon is better.

[sirdanilot]

ABR, I would go with a CES lynch because CES is esp's partner and all. But I'd rather have you vote esp.

[sirdanilot]

This is the second time I've done it, ever.

Did you die the first time? Please tell me they killed you the first time. You deserve nothing but death for this.

Unvote
Vote: Jacob

Are you scum trying to distract us from the esp wagon, or are you town just having trouble to decide which scum to kill first? JS isn't a half-bad choice though.

Soooooooooooo useless... A lynch is still possible, although whether it is advisable is another issue.

Aegor you're scum too I presume? Ces Aegor Esp JS? Hahahahahaha what a scum.

VOTE: JACOB SAVAGE

Let's see if this wagon works

[sirdanilot]

Esp f you wanna save your own skin, vote JS. Cause I really still want a wagon on you, but I think your scumbuddies are simply not allowing it, and the town is sheeping your buddies.

OH WAIT JS is your buddy of course it would be bad form to vote the buddy that's protecting you, sorry man.

[sirdanilot]

Haha JS is a smart townie?

I wouldn't set up a string of lynches if the town weren't sheeping your scumbuddies. My bloodlust is satisfied if and only if you're dead.

[sirdanilot]

Haha okay scummypants.

Guys who of the scumteam will we lynch first?

[sirdanilot]

A tip lynch to me would be nothing but a compromise lynch.

[sirdanilot]

TIP shouldn't be a top scumread for anyone at this point. At most one of the minor scum reads.

Unless someone shows me meta that tip does not always act like this.

[sirdanilot]

Els how is my voting pattern?

[sirdanilot]

Els: Okay. Can you then understand why tip is not my top scumread?

118 posts.

ONE HUNDRED AND EIGHTEEN POSTS. Varda help us all. Plum, you owe me for this game.

Nat has almost 80 so i have less than twice the amount of posts of the next most poster.

[sirdanilot]

I dunno. I feel like JS would be more active if he were scum in this situation. I dunno. I could see it, but I dunno.

You do know who JacobSavage is, right?

I'm afraid I only know him from my Micro. Where he was a Jester.

I asked him about his pre-game reasons out of interest and to see if they are total bullshit.

They're not and though the logic is faulty it makes pervetted sense. So I'm reasonably sure Esp is town and I'm almost certain TIP is too.

So best of a bad bunch: VOTE: SirDan

Scum trying to make sure no lynch happens today by starting a new wagon that has no chance at all.

And he will succeed too because THIS TOWN IS FUCKING BRAIN DEAD.

[sirdanilot]

Unvote, vote CES

ABR vote Jacob. His lynch is more likely and he's scum too, just like CES. CES lynch has way too few followers at this point.

If you don't vote jacob you're probably scum or sk or something bad too.

[sirdanilot]

How is any of that is relevant right now? I'm voting the wagon that I think is on scum, I pushed it to where it is (

hey look, someone who actually has logical skill and the charisma to back it up

~), I really have no business haring off with other reads. Some of them are obvious as it is, and if you can't tell them by now, you're not going to get any more enlightenment through a reads list.

I'm being cryptic because I can

and because there's really no point in discussing other things right now. Deal with it.

Will this continue the entire game? Let me know so I can act accordingly.



JS wagon is awful, but I want to see where it goes anyway.

VOTE: JacobSavage

Scum hopping onto wagon on buddy.

I'd prefer a no lynch today, none of the wagons look good

Tip is either scum or village idiot

[sirdanilot]

ABR's quick vote switch upon my threat is also noteworthy, is that town or scum ABR guys?

[sirdanilot]

(leaning town but I either have never played with ABR or ages and ages ago)

[sirdanilot]

K lessee which list I prefer here:

JacobSavage - 7 - Tierce, Desperado, sirdanilot, shos,

All townie, desp the least of these, tierce the most

Albert B. Rampage, MafiaSSK,

Null/ bit scummy

Aegor

Scummypants

Shadoweh

Meh but probably town

TheIrishPope - 5 - Natirasha, Espeonage, Cogito Ergo Sum,

HORRIBLE TERRIBAD PEOPLE, OF WHICH ESP AND CES ARE SCUM. This list of people does not a good foundation of a wagon make.

Elscouta

Very, very misguided town. Extremely misguided town. You have no idea how misguided you are, your reads are ass backwards and very very bad. Repent ye !

[sirdanilot]

The shadoweh vote hop from tip wagon to js wagon is noted.

Also guys see here why I have so many posts; I post as I get ideas to post, usually meaning triple or quadruple posts. I post in clusters.

[sirdanilot]

I post ideas as they come. They tend to come after I hit SUBMIT

[sirdanilot]

JS scummypants claim scum already so we can get this over with

[sirdanilot]

I am Glorfindel, Town Bodyguard.

Basically I fought the Balrog but lost but in doing so I saved Idril Celebrindal.

Not lynching you today but you're not off the hook scummyboy-with-good-safeclaims

VOTE: CES

ABR TIME TO SWITCH BACK

(ftr I am willing to compromise and lynch tip but it's really just that, a compromise)

[sirdanilot]

Vote CES then, you fool ! CES will be much harder to pull off than Tip because it is not the scum's will to lynch CES. So we have to pressure CES the most, and if we really really cannot pull through due to all the scummybags, then we switch to compromise lynch TIP.

[sirdanilot]

JS-scum, please be a doll and vote CES will ya

[sirdanilot]

Vote CES actiondan, pleaaaaaaase

[sirdanilot]

Haha you really think Jacob is town, esp?

Ahahahahahahahaa

[sirdanilot]

CES tried to mislead the town into a mafiassk lynch because he lied that mafiassk was active lurking, whilst he was V/LA.

If that isnt scum I don't know what is.

[sirdanilot]

Hey guys the following plan crossed my mind: What if we have JS claim who he protects? Then there's probably someone who can out him as scum if he lies about it (for example because he's SCUM and not a body guard).

Discuss.

[sirdanilot]

Not Voting js. Cesar was leaning town. Tip.... m2aybe?


I'd feel better about voting ces if nat was not voting it.

VOTE: tip

For now

Scum bus, ActionDan. Though Nat may not be scum, I am not sure tbh.

[sirdanilot]

.

Pro town player right here with ad hominem and all

[sirdanilot]

Dan JS is not getting lynched today, unless the next wagon has a better laim than JS, then we lynch JS anyway.

[sirdanilot]

Hey guys the following plan crossed my mind: What if we have JS claim who he protects? Then there's probably someone who can out him as scum if he lies about it (for example because he's SCUM and not a body guard).

Discuss.

Are you really proposing that we direct a

protective

role on the off-chance that a/ we have a tracker b/ JS is scum without a targeting ability?

That's ...

What of it? JS-town would probably be nightkilled anyway, being a protective role and all. Or at least they will

try

to... That means it doesn't really matter who JS-town would target. Might as well let us direct his target then, to see whether he's lying-ass scum or not.

Yes he could be scum with a targeting ability, but at least this plan is better than nothing.

CES tried to mislead the town into a mafiassk lynch because he lied that mafiassk was active lurking, whilst he was V/LA.

If that isnt scum I don't know what is.

Hmm... Did you know that MafiaSSK was V/LA? If you did, why didn't you contradict CES at that point? I definitely did not know that MafiaSSK was V/LA.

If you would have read the game more closely you would have seen these nat posts: post 554 ...and 557

Is this the reason that the other people are on CES?

Am I other people or am I sirdanilot? Other people are mostly derping, so they are on CES because they want to bus their scumbuddy or because FUCK IT REACTION DERP TEST or some other reason. Hardly anyone in this game is actually playing

[sirdanilot]

I'm on CES because I don't want to be on TIP--but I would flashwagon sirdan today also.

If this is happening, we need to decide fair quick, so we have time to make it happen.

Scum trying to save own ass by means of omgus

[sirdanilot]

^As good as I can expect of Nat I guess. At least you're on the right wagon.

[sirdanilot]

Chamber, I clearly posted why I think CES is scum. Why would ANY town player do that? If you are going to tell me 'blatantly lying to people is CES's town play' then CES deserves a lynch anyway.

CES tried to mislead the town into a mafiassk lynch because he lied that mafiassk was active lurking, whilst he was V/LA.

If that isnt scum I don't know what is.

[sirdanilot]

^booho nat

Guys, I am willing to do an aegor lynch over a CES lynch, but I think an Aegor lynch is just not as viable.

[sirdanilot]

VOTE: AEGOR

This time I don't want another wagon stall. And either JS or aegor dies ! No more claims than these two

[sirdanilot]

VOTE: Aegor

I can get behind this wagon.

Good scummyboy. Nice scummyboy. You deserve a pat on your back.

[sirdanilot]

Aegor why don't you go down with a bang and post some content on your way to the gallows?

I am not as certain of aegor scum as any other good wagon today (esp, js).

[sirdanilot]

Who else should we deadline wagon, Aegor? No lynch is certainly a lot worse. We tried the JS wagon, we're not lynching him with that claim even though I still think he's scum.

[sirdanilot]

Meh, I am of the opinion that miller claims should be lynched. I think that your situation could have been one of the very few where you could fake claim as town (or at least not say you are miller).

[sirdanilot]

With fake claim I mean simply not claiming miller.

Also my opinion matters as long as I have a vote, however much you may disagree with it.

[sirdanilot]

Why would we have granted you another day if you had claimed VT?

[sirdanilot]

I am thinking I might prefer a JS lynch over aegor now. Hmmm...

[sirdanilot]

Quick question. I am so confused about the colouring here. Did we lynch mafia yesterday or was that some sort of town Godfather? Because it says Gondolin <rolename>.

VOTE: Espeonage

idk

Scum slip?

I thought we lynched mafia but now I'm not sure.

Scum slip too?

[sirdanilot]

They dont have gondolin in their role pm?

[sirdanilot]

ABR who is your scum now

[sirdanilot]

Guys we can still lynch esp today surely?

[sirdanilot]

why? you look like a good target yourself

Because of what I said yesterday. We still have a scummy, useless VT claimed detrimental to the town person hopping around.

And lol how am I a viable target?

[sirdanilot]

I really don't see why Tip would be scum. It all just looks like play style to me.

Esp is where the lynch should be at.

[sirdanilot]

I really don't see why Tip would be scum. It all just looks like play style to me.

Hrmf. You lured me into a meta analysis, and I somewhat agree (on a side note, your wiki is quite out of date, TIP). And now i'm not even sure if I want to lynch you anymore because it would be so good for sirscumilot to let another TIP wagon develop.

That's fucking stupid. Okay, assume I am scum and TIP is town. Then why did I not jump on the TIP wagon to get it lynched, scum scum scum DIE?
Okay assume we are both scum. OH WAIT that is a fucking stupid unsubstantiated assumption. But go ahead and look at me-tip scum pair if you so please.

Which means I'm a sad panda. I don't feel like lynching Tierce just because she was a counterwagon to someone I'm not even sure was town. Jacob has still a bit of time on its "doctor gets out of lynch free card", Natirasha might as well be a TIP clone, Esp lynch is meh, and I still don't have any clue about why people are suspecting CES.

Esp lynch is PERFECT, it is not 'meh'.
CES is suspicious because of the pretending Nat was active lurking thing we discussed towards the end of day 1. I would go for CES wagon part deux. Scum didn't want him lynched yesterday, sadly.

[sirdanilot]

sirdan and TIP are my preferred lynches. Happy to stick my support elsewhere should someone present something that looks tasty.

Got it ass backwards scummyboy

[sirdanilot]

Please note: Unlike The Children of Húrin Mafia the major intent of this game is not Bastardry. This game will not feature Cults, Survivors, mid-game alignment changes, direct lies to players, or Moderator meddling in role/alignment assignment. Other subversive elements may exist. There is no guarantee against other elements that may be considered Bastard.

I.e. HE WASNT MAFIA. The mod couldn't have said it clearer. Aegor was town.

Hey guys Esp is the leading wagon, go vote ESP ! Scummyboys, perfect chance to bus your buddy right here ! Town, perfect chance to lynch Scum !

[sirdanilot]

^ Who are you talking to, scummyboy?

[sirdanilot]

So? I don't care. Why would I want scum to yell at me to shut the fuck up? What good does that for the town (or scum for that matter)?

[sirdanilot]

[quoteOn that note, I'm probs going to jump on one of those vanity wagons soon.[/quote]
Yeah do that scummyboy. Goood scum.

[sirdanilot]

Plums quote clearly states that Aegor was town. I have no idea why she would quote that otherwise.

Go read people based on Aegor town, ABR.

[sirdanilot]

I think ABR town would read the thread more carefully. I mean, the non-contributiveness and one liners, that's typical of ABR- any alignment. The reasonless voting too. But simply not paying any attention, why would ABR town do that?

Would go with an ABR wago nat this point, though scummyboy Esp (who is engaging in cute omgus against me) should die first.

[sirdanilot]

Hey let's do a poll guys.

Fill this in if you are reasonably interested in a wagon on the following persons:

Esp

- sirdanilot, spyrex

CES

- sirdanilot

ABR

- sirdanilot

[sirdanilot]

Esp

- sirdanilot, spyrex

CES

- sirdanilot

ABR

- sirdanilot, Elscouta

Going good. You can state secondary scumpects as well, if you want.

[sirdanilot]

Why doesn't someone make use of quotes to explain to me what I missed? I'm thoroughly disinterested in this game ever since the confusion regarding yesterday's lynch.

Yes, please replace out, uninterested person.

I already explained multiple times why the flip was town.

[sirdanilot]

People motivated for wagons

Esp

- sirdanilot, spyrex

CES

- sirdanilot, shos

ABR

- sirdanilot, Elscouta

Okay ABR, now you have 'caught up', who is scum? Or who are your potential scumspects/people you would wagon?

[sirdanilot]

It is possible; I had an incorrect read on Aegor (though he was never my top scum read).

But then again your scumreads are very very bad so you are not in a position to say that to me.

[sirdanilot]

Me-wagon, tip-wagon, tierce-wagon, elscouta-wagon, shadoweh-wagon, etc. etc. etc.

Gazillions of wagons that would not float my boat.

[sirdanilot]

Vote: Sirdanilot

Peregrine, you really should have let the deadline play out. I think we could have avoided that Aegor thing and lynched scum.

How is that a viable and/or useful vote?

Spyrex why am I not scum?

[sirdanilot]

How is that a useful vote?

You don't even think I am scum. You are just omgussing me because I have caught you out, scummypants. Either that, or you are a village idiot that derp-claimed at the start of day 1, saw that it only causes a shit storm rather than do anything productive (HEY I could have told you that beforehand because its A FUCKING TERRIBLE MOVE THAT NOBODY SHOULD EVER DO EVER !) and now are frustrated and are just wildly omgussing rather than contribute ANYTHING AT ALL.

You need to die, and I will do everything in my power to kill you.

[sirdanilot]

Holy shit, look at my wagon:

sirdanilot

- ABR, Desperados, Esp, Shos

That is a fucking joke. That is the most horrible wagon I have ever seen in my life, even worse than the reck wagon at the start of the game. Just look at these scummyboys/derp townies on there.

Town, if you let stupid wagons like this go through, you're a fucking joke. Though I fear the worst.

Too bad nobody plays for town win condition anymore (or scum: pretends to play to town win condition).

[sirdanilot]

Don't even think for a second I am going to 'defend' myself. I'm not even going to go there, mainly because there isn't even a case on me at all.

ABR - Never has any reason to vote anyone, and his gut votes' this game have been terribad
Desp - No fucking idea why he thinks I am scum, probably scum himself?
Esp - This dies
Shos - Misguided townie, confused by my play style

Shos and potentially elscouta, if she makes the shift, are the only ~~~~imaginable~~~~ legit votes on me. The rest is all bull's crap.

[sirdanilot]

So you think it's a good idea to hop onto a wagon where he is the first voter? Seems legit..........

[sirdanilot]

1. I have been pointing out all along how your attitude falls in line with scum thinking.
2. No I'm not omgus'ing. You been on me from get go. Any scum read I have on you at any point this game would be as omgus as now. (Hint, isn't)
3. I've been more useful than you. I've put my vote useful places, I've made comment where due.
4. Alot of people need death. I'm only at the top of two players lists, which is low for this game.

1. AHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAH
2. So you honestly still would have suspected me if I hadn't caught you, scummyboy? Yeah right.
3. Haha you have been useful? How have you been useful? Also I put my vote in VERY useful places.
4. Yes very sad but true.

I'm going to stop this endless banter with you though.

A desp wagon sounds like a good idea, let's see where it goes. My spot on Esp wagon stays warm (nice terminology there).

UNVOTE

VOTE: DESPERADOS

[sirdanilot]

Esl: Yes I am still all for a CES wagon. Why did the ces wagon yesterday fail again?

Can vote only one person at a time though.

[sirdanilot]

Esl: Yes I am still all for a CES wagon

I'm asking specifically in regard to the fact that CES is the first voter on Desp, you are the second, and of this:

So you think it's a good idea to hop onto a wagon where he is the first voter? Seems legit..........

I hadn't noticed that he was the first voter on Desp.
You know, Desp hasn't really been wagoned before, so it's also kind of a 'lessee where this goes' vote. I'll be honest with you there. I don't have a clear enough read on desp to be all 'DIE DIE DIE SCUM DIE'.

He's overconcerned with the gamestate, particularly re: usefulness and wagon viability, and it looks a lot more like scum trying to position himself properly rather than town trying to build consensus.

Overconcerned? These all look like town tells to me, to be honest. Well, at least you have a decently motivated read, but you're still wrong.

I am getting less motivated for the Desp wagon now, he seems legit actually.

JS: Don't bother, you're probably scum anyway, despite your claim.

[sirdanilot]

Despy if you would join the espy wagon, then I would be voting espy rather than 'having him as backup'.

I'm not gonna pull a full orthodox Spyrex here, I'm not going to vote park and thereby waste the town's major power: the vote. Sorry, but nope not going there.

Either your reasons for scumreading me are very very misguided and shitty, or you're scum after all. I don't know which yet.

Majiffy's Shadoweh case actually looks good, though I always read him town until now, so not sheeping.

[sirdanilot]

^ Do desp !

ABR may very well be scum (though he has changed his ass backwards reads somewhat to me-town) and scum wagons tend to be hard to get going, Els. We can try again later.

[sirdanilot]

Tierce, you know very well JS is scum so the role fishing Majiffy's doing doesn't really matter.

Is he your buddy Tierce?

[sirdanilot]

^ I don't think being interested in the game or not is a scum tell, though being interested does help your faction.

[sirdanilot]

^ I don't think being interested in the game or not is a scum tell, though being interested does help your faction.

I wasn't speaking generally, I was talking about Albert specifically. My experience with his scum game is that he cares very much about what is going on and is extremely involved. Have you played with him before?

Not in historic times, no. Maybe 5 years ago or something

[sirdanilot]

Tierce feel free to hop onto Majiffy. Even though I find him quite town at this point, I think that'd be a hilarious shit storm.

But no, really, two RAAH RAGE townies having a quotewallfest has little merit

[sirdanilot]

You had her as 'could be town'.

[sirdanilot]

I wouldn't be surprised if Spyrex was scum here BTW

I wouldn't either. He promised in the beginning of day 1 to state lots os scum reads n shit other than the Esp thing. But instead, he's just parking his vote on esp and doing nothing at all, he's also much more lurky than I remember from his olden days.

Not a top lynch priority now though. I put him at second lynch priority, just like JS who is also scum but not lynchable anytime soon because claim n all (yes I have a firm scumread on JS).

PeregrineV may not be scum but he's CERTAINLY not town either. I don't have a real read on him, but maybe a bandwagon might change that.

unvote

VOTE: PeregrineV

[sirdanilot]

That's ridiculous.

[sirdanilot]

Have you ever heard of 'pressure vote'? I want to see him play the game, that's why I am voting him.

You should really learn to read players who have a different play style than you better. Go read a game of mine where I'm town that has just finished: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=35056

[sirdanilot]

I don't think PV is a bad lynch at all, though tbh nearly everyone in this game is lynchable.

[sirdanilot]

ABR is as vote hoppy as me except he doesn't actually contribute anything, he just sheeps every bandwagon in existence. ABR may be scum.

[sirdanilot]

This game is gonna be a scum win. I am certain of it. We have the following categories of players:

1. Useless people who aren't contributing anyone or are playing in a way that is detrimental to the town:
Espeonage, SpyreX, TheIrishPope

2. People who are trying to contribute, but have bad reads (note: I didn't check everyones current reads for this so this might be partially wrong):
Elscouta, shos, Desperado (also 3)

3. Useless lurkers that do nothing but vote hop and post one liners, if they even post at all:
ActionDan, Albert B. Rampage, PeregrineV, JacobSavage, MafiaSSK, Desperado (also 2), Cogito Ergo Sum (also 4)

4. The town's core, even though not all of these are necessarily town, they are the only ones that keep some amount of movement in the game
Majiffy, Shadoweh, sirdanilot, Tierce, Cogito Ergo Sum (also 3)

[sirdanilot]

Even number 4 has some pretty bad people on it. A town led by Shadoweh, Tierce, CES does not flow my boat at all; especially CES is a good scumread, the others not so much. The people in the other categories are just euseless, even those in category 2 who could do better but don't.

Category 3 is what is the most detrimental to the town, even more than 1, because you can't even read them. This is the category scum likes to see, and the category that tends to hold a decent amount of scum (JS and two of the others in this case, I think).

[sirdanilot]

Yes, people we are lynching should be out of group 3 mainly, with the addition of Esp who should die, die and die once more. Even if we would roll a dice and pick someone from that group, we have a higher than average chance of hitting scum.



That is why I am voting PV. Not because I have a scum read on him per se.

[sirdanilot]

PV Are you still scum now that you have 6 votes? If not, who is scum? Is the wagon on you scum-driven?

[sirdanilot]

Where did I say that Tip?

Also how does it feel being on the 'useless people who aren't contributing' list?

[sirdanilot]

Deadline is in 2 days, 8 hours, 2 minutes
PeregrineV, Cogito Ergo Sum, Elscouta, and MafiaSSK have been prodded.

Scum win. Guaranteed.

[sirdanilot]

Why would I as scum say that? go look for an explanation. It's called: scum hunting. It wins games for town.

[sirdanilot]

And scumunting never fails, because if you are wrong, well then that person is town, and you move on to your next scumhunting quest.

Go ! Shoo !

[sirdanilot]

you're really smarter when you lurk

Yes, very good town play here. Telling the only active player to lurk. A++ would learn from